So what killed the MCU for you?
I stopped at Endgame because the story I was following ended. Everything after is just random movies with the characters left over, there's nothing interesting about them.
>>220981768This movie. Thanos was kind of butchered.He went from being slightly interesting to another fucking nothing burger MCU villain.
>>220981768Thor Ragnarok. The comedy was too silly and didn't fit into the theme of Thor at all. I mean just compare the dialog in Branagh's film to Taika's slop.
the fact it had more than 3 movies
>>220981768I lost interest around the second Thor movie
>>220981768I watched Infinity War, knew they were never leaving those characters dead because Spider man 2 and Black panter 2 had already been announced so I figured why bother watching Endgame I know how it ends.
>>220981768This
Captain Marvel
>>220981768growing up
>>220981921>She's not alone!>all the women in the entire universe line up side by side
>>220981768When Disney got involved. The pre-Disney movies don't even feel like they're in the same universe.
>>220981768I don't even know what it was exactly but I recall one of the big action setpieces in Age of Ultron where black widow was riding the electric harley prototype around as the moment I realized I didn't really know what was going on anymore nor did I care to figure it out. I ended up watching a few movies after that one but in retrospect that was the moment it lost me. I do remember liking Dr Strange as a standalone though. Mads always plays a cool villain.
>>220981768I stopped at Infinity War and never returned even though Endgame would have been a fitting place to stop watching.When I heard Endgame did nothing with the snap and relied entirely on time travel to resolve the plot I knew I hadn't missed anything.
>people saying EndgameZOOM ZOOM ZOOM!.Everyone knows it went to shit with IM3 despite the twist. Anyone who watched it this point was genuinely R E T A R D E D
>>220981918They already butchered Thor's character in Ragnarok.
>>220981768The story is ended.At this point it feels like playing a bunch of uninteresting side-quests after beating the main game. All those Disney+ shows didn't help either.
>>220982038I'm>>220982002And never watched all the individual movies anyway. Who wants to watch like thirty movies just to understand who's in the next Avengers title? I suspect a lot of people were the same, just picking and choosing their favourites.
>>220982002Infinity war was disappointing but i enjoyed endgame much more.
>>220981768Never gave it much thought, capeshit is beneath me.
>>220981768I mean frankly (like them or not) it just seemed like a great ending for the story, like what more can you do after that?
>>220982038IM2 was quite shit as well
>>220982038Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy came after IM3.
>>220981800This but I saw Guardians 3 as well because I knew it was in development before Endgame. That was a good stopping point.
I grew up.The MCU was fun when I was a teenager but nowadays I can't stand the crappy writing, non-existent worldbuilding, unfunny jokes, bad cgi, etc.Tbqh this applies to most superhero movies, MCU or not.
>>220982094I wonder too how things would have gone without covid, maybe somewhat better
>>220981768I don't know about "Killed" but yeah, endgame felt like a mostly satisfying conclusion to a decades worth of movies starring a big cast of characters. They ended on a high point, and they should have taken some time off to re-tool and think about where they wanted to go. Maybe release a few stand alone movies like spider man or guardians 3 that aren't setting up a new oppressive existential threat, they were just telling stories with their characters. But they went overboard with trying to bring kang in so quickly, especially when they spent a decade building up and teasing thanos. Also if they knew they were buying fox and getting the fantastic four, then I don't know why you wouldn't just cool your jets and wait for the rights to clear since the microverse was always a fantastic four thing.
>>220981768I quit watching them after the first Avengers movie. It was a bloated 2.5 hour mess that emphasized style over substance, with too little plot and too much PG action. It's wild that the first MCU movie was the best MCU movie and it was all downhill from there.
>>220981768the TV shows on Disney+ were mostly terrible. They probably could have made all those lame movies they made during the same time period and got a pass for having a few stinkers if there hadn't been all these garbage ass TV shows coming out the whole time. It also seemed like around this same time that they didn't know what to do next for the MCU after Endgame, as we saw numerous new characters get introduced that haven't seen a follow-up since, and there were a lot of projects that were scrapped or seem to be postponed indefinitely. it took like 5 years for them to start pulling something cohesive together again, but even that is just getting it's start off.
>>220981768Black Panther. All USAID money to make it look like a success.
>>220982527Disney wanted content for their streaming platform, and covid fucked up bigger productions, and then the writer's strike.
>>220982542COVID made it hard to film, but I don't think COVID is an excuse for the show to be stupid. that's just bad creative choices
Multiverse shit.Such a stupid way to destroy all stakes in every film.
>>220982594No, but just another hurdle for production. Also just the hubris of assuming that the next marvel movie was automatically going to do endgame money. I think realistically its a confluence of events, and a lot of greed from disney to not sit on the biggest money-maker in cinematic history. On top of everything, I think the fox merger also stirred the pot, because at the higher levels they knew they were getting back some of their bigger/notable properties (x men and the fantastic four).
>>220981768a series of bad flicks following endgame with the only good ones being endings to other storylines like Guardians and Spider-man. Everything else was poorly written filler that failed to start anything new up.
>>220981768No more Downey to anchor the entire universe. Hence they’re bringing him back as Dr. Doom.
>>220982639A big problem I had with all that is that OK, sure, in comics you eventually had to introduce the multiverse because you had decades and decades of continuity that starts to compound and conflict and get weird with changes in tone and audience constantly shifting over that time. But the marvel movies (and DC) haven't been around for that long. There are so many great individual stories and runs and they haven't even scratched the surface of them, and even when they do adapt them (planet hulk, or ragnarok for example), they make it so distant from the source material that you wonder what the point of adapting it was anyway.
>>220981768Infinity war cam rip
>>220982755If they'd wrapped it up in maybe 3 films, and came back to it once or twice much later on I don't think it would be so much of a problem but it's been a complete bust as a massive overarching plot device storyline for the last 7 years or whatever. They should have bailed on it at least 4 years ago now, I don't know how they didn't see the writing on the wall with all the high level creative talent and experience they're supposed to have on tap.
>>220981768lack of direction following Endgamestupid multiverse shit everyone kinda hatesbest characters are goneit feels like there's no story anymorehoping Doomsday will get them back on track, seems like they're taking this one seriously
Remember Shang-Chi and Eternals? Did we ever see any of those characters again?
>>220981768I never watched any of the Disney+ shows and the only films I watched after Endgame were Spider-Man 3, Deadpool 3, and Guardians 3. I don’t think I can watch any more of this shit. It’s getting real bad. Not as bad as DCU but close.
>>220981862Love And Thunder is surprisedly worst which makes Ragnarok better.
Only Tony and Steve Rogers had any sense of proper character progression. And it seems mostly because of RDJ actually understanding character writing and protecting his character that it worked out, based on statements from other actors. So I'm not surprised the verse fell into inane directionless drivel with those 2 out.
>>220982862Remember Black Panther 2 and Captain Marvel 2? These are all the ones I never watched plus yours and that Fantastic 4isney one. Oh yeah and Thor 4. And Captain Marvel.
The franchise peaked with Infinity War and the box office proves it. Thanos won, the universe was split in half. The rest is alternate reality fan fiction
>>220981768Mark Ruffalo
>>220981768The Eternals was the first MCU film where I thought "yeah, that looks so unappealing, I'll just skip going to see it." After that I lost the drive to see every one of them in theaters, and as I've fallen behind with the theatrical releases and TV shows, trying to catch up on everything for Doomsday seems like such an insurmountable task that I probably won't bother.
I felt pretty retarded watching that Daredevil Avengers show on Netflix with the bitch who gets blacked. It wasn’t horrible but I felt real dumb for watching it.
>>220982896I remember Black Panther 2 because it was the first one where I got genuinely bored watching it. There were mediocre movies before that, but I never felt such intense boredom before. Not even during Eternals.
>>220981918This. I can tolerate a lot of slop, but this was so ridiculously over the top and dumb. Thor is a noble warrior that hundreds(thousands?) of years old. But yeah making him a stoner frat boy playing Fortnite was worth the 3 second chuckle from 3% of the audience. They sold out for end game so hard because they KNEW viewership would nosedive afterwords.
>>220981768Shang Chink and The WoketernalsListen, we dodged a bullet by Kang chimping out, we finally have Doctor Doom. MCU can be saved. But we need to remove all the wokeness. And hopefully drain the Hollywood swamp once Spencer Pratt is elected.
>>220981768Avengers 1.Never looked back except for deadpool and black panther
>>220982949I thought the first Black Panther was decent because I saw it in theaters and it was Afro futurism. But I realized how bland it was watching it at home. Then Chadwick Boseman died from ass cancer and there was no reason to watch Black Panther 2. I don’t even remember the trailer or who even played Black Panther 2? I will never watch it or any of the other movies I listed. I might watch Thunderbolts some day for free but maybe not. Oh yeah and the Black Widow movie was really bland as well. So forgettable. Just like her Jurassic Park movie.
>>220982918>bring up the big twist from earth-x>waste it on the eternals
>>220982966Oh yeah I never watched Ant Man 3 and never will. Ant Man 2 was pretty bad too.
>>220983005They introduced Atlanteans (Sub Mariner) and turned him into a filthy mexican.
>>220981768Black or whatever the fuck she is feminist mary jane in homecomingturning every movie into guardians tier banter jokesrace swapsdestroying the character of the punisherfocusing on dei newly made heroes instead of the characters everyone wantedgirl power bullshitugly womenbad writingruining ultronshitty writingand not putting prime whatever the fuck her name is in the sexy captain marvel suit instead of the naptime pjs.nanotech suits and helmetsit was a whole confluence of things.Stopping at the thanos's snap was the best cinematic decision of my life.To put it in perspective I was a huge spider-man fan and had collected since I was a child. I've only ever seen homecoming. Sold my comics figures etc, tossed marvel apparel and other crap. Marvel shit the bed so bad it forced me to become an adult.>>220981883this too.Thor had no development and did the same journey in every movie.
>>220981768Black Nick Fury.
>>220981999Mads was wasted in that role. No one remembers he was even in the movies
>>220981768Captain America
>>220983350Nobody remember "Mads" in any movies
>>220984099You mads, bro?
>>220981768Everything after the first avengers movieAt this point it was clear that pretty much every fucking character introduced was getting their own movie solely to make moneyRealistically a lot of shit could have been combined like Ant-Man/Black Panther/Bucky/Strange literally could have been one movie introducing them all. Post Endgame there's no real fucking story beyond 'uh yeah watch more shit, there's no cohesion just watch please'
>>220981768All the TV shows and more than one movie a year. One movie a year was like a special event that that everyone took part in together. Once there got too many shows and movies to see nobody knew what the fuck was going on with anything unless they kept up with it all.
Marvel and DC are the new Star Wars franchises only relevant to Boomers Generation X and Millennials but irrelevant to younger people Mario and Sonic are more popular than Batman or Spiderman this genre will die like Westerns and Comics will die because of Manga
Iron Man 3 and GotG1 when it went full millennial writing
All you niggas are lying. Everyone here has watched everything leading up to Endgame.
Yeah, I watched the spiderman movies as well. But didn't get though Doctor Strange 2.
>>220985068I watched first Iron Man since I got afree ticket and Avengers 1, 2, Civil War, the Spider-Man film with Vulture, Thor Ragnarok and the two final avengers ones
>>220982097You just proved my point, both were terrible.
>>220981862Ragnarok was fine, Love and Thunder was the real fucking stinker.
>>220982862Wasn't there something with Eternals having a giant statue guy sticking out of the earth and none of the subsequent movies brought it up because deep down they knew that nobody had actually bothered to watch Eternals?
>>220985068I didn't watch Black Panther, Ant Man 2 or Captain Marvel before IW/Endgame but it didn't really make any difference.That reminds me, did they ever actually show Black Panther dying in the movies or was the stupid funeral scene at the start of BP2 just a "note: black panther died on the way back to wakanda" moment?
I stopped giving a shit after Infinity War (which is still a kino movie and the last good MCU movie), but it was around Love and Thunder or The Multiverse of Madness when I stopped watching as they were both utterly trash. Especially after the fact that Raimi couldn't even save the dumpster fire that was Phase 4, it was time to abandon ship.I'll probably watch Doomsday when it comes out on digital, but I'm not watching it in theaters unless it gets rave reviews from everyone.
>>220982918>trying to catch up on everything for Doomsday seems like such an insurmountable task that I probably won't bother.They're disregarding Phase 4 and 5 so you don't have to bother watching that trash for Doomsday.
>>220985331Yeah, that shit was actually kinda cool, but as far as I know, we never heard about it again.
>>220982111guardians 3 had some solid gold in it but overall it was depressing as fuck and if I could go back then I would unwatch it
>>220981768I still haven't seen Endgame. But I dropped off around GoTG. I tuned in breifly for Civil War and Spider-Man and fucking hated Tom Holland-Man. Its not for me
>>220985395Is it not Galactus?
>>220985380Multiverse of Madness really was the most disappointing one. I mean, other movies were worse, but it's not like I had any hopes for Eternals and Love and Thunder in the first place. As you say, if Raimi can't deliver, then there's no hope.
>>220985395They wanted to mine its bones and shit for Vibranium in Brave New World and the conflict they had in that movie was the creature happened to be between China and Russia or some shit
>>220985388that's such a slap in the face of the fans who actually stuck around to watch that slop lol
Iron Man 2 was such a piece of shit I don't know how anyone continued watching Marvel movies after that.
>>220985485Even besides Iron Man 2, Thor the Dark World and Avengers Age of Ultron are still garbage. Only slightly above the shit they made post Endgame
>>220985485I don't give up on an entire series just because of one bad movie.
>>220981800Same, the main cast that we grew up with all had their arcs completed. I am simply not interested in the future of random side character #4864 that was featured in one comic.
>>220981768Honestly, I was over cape shit by Iron Man 2
>>220985520Even Spider-Man. He does not feel like he's part of this world. He feels like a side character. And its his own fault for doing two universal resets.
age of ultroneventually went back and watched civil war to try to catch up before infinity war but simply couldn’t be assed to go any further
>>220985068After Guardians 1 I watched Civil War, Dr Strange 1, AIW+AEG, NWH. The last 3 were camrips instead of the theater
>>220985459the first doctor strange was so perfect that it set impossible expectations for multiverse of madness
>>220981768Not ending the MCU with Endgame or better yet, with Infinity War.
>>220981981yeah you can really tell that disney wanted to shit the bed the day marvel got bought out.
YUGE Marvel comicfag and IRON MAN was my favourite superhero since before normies even knew who he was.So >mfw I hear they are making an IRON MAN film. Worried they're going to fuck it up as usual, but still hopeful. What we got was a pretty decent condensation and modernisation of decades of comics more or less faithful to the source material. I was not as 'wowed' as your average fag, still having my own spergy criticisms, but overall it was impressively good, and everything went way better than expected.At least everyone finally knows who I'm fucking talking about now and that I'm not referring to the 'Iron Giant', (original title of that book is 'The Iron Man' if you didn't know).I know plenty about IRL /biz/ and investing so I know how any business or organisation becomes a success, attracts the usual meritless shitbags and their same old stupid commie ideas, and how it stagnates and dies as a result. I recommend this book I read in the 90's written by some Kike who waffles on about it in unnecessarily spergy detail. A lot of people know this shit, and have their own models that point to the same underlying reality, but he makes it relatively simple so even a retard can understand why making the company 50% women or some dumb shit like that will insta-kill your operation from the inside, (as well as what kind of people want to do that kind of dumb shit and why).I knew we were already fucked when 'Black Panther' was still earning a billion dollars, (the peak looks like unstoppable success to normies, but you could clearly see the rot starting to set in, and it's the beginning of the end).If you understand this kind of shit you'd be as amazed the MCU got as far as it did. At the same time you're always astounded EVERY SINGLE TIME by how quickly commies can destroy a ridiculously successful operation at the end of the day. So I was following along just for that in the end. Even so, I literally couldn't stomach any of it anymore after WandaVision.
>>2209817684 movies a year you NEED to watch in order to get the next movie coming out, wich ends up sucking anyway
>>220985485Iron Man 2 may have been a shit movie overall, but it had some banger scenes looking back in retrospect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVGbAFy36xMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reQs3g5LO8Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ_7HuRL-YAYou could tell that they still had a lot of passion for the whole MCU back then, and it shows.
>>220986382It was no more than two per year at most. Some years didn't even have one. People always exaggerated how much capeshit there was during the "I have capeshit fatigue" phase.
>>220986504I thought the villain attacking during the formula 1 race was pretty cool.
>>220985485this tbqh. also, /tv/ will call me a contrarian or whatever, but the MCU was dead out the gate when the first film was fucking 'Iron Man'. Spider-Man 3 was a letdown, X-Men 3 was a bit shit, and then they're on to 'Iron Man'. 'they're STILL making these superhero flicks, in 2008...?'i enjoyed it, but it was perfectly average. there was a Jonah Hex film, the first half is fine. there was a Daredevil film, i liked it at the time. these are now considered turkeys but Iron Man 1 is the illustrious kino that begat the MCU, and it's a great film in its own right!!! ...wat.
>>220981768Nothing really, it just became too big to follow all of it, kind of like the comics.I can't be bothered to watch every TV show they put out, though I did enjoy some of them, and not every movie has seemed worth watching, but this was always true of the MCU.So I just pick and choose what interests me.I'm looking forward to Spiderman and Doomsday, they are really going to have to convince me that RDJ isn't dumb choice for DOOM however.
>>220981800this and>>220982111this for me. I was running out of steam and skipping movies even before Endgame though. I still saw the Spiderman one with the Raimi characters for the nostalgia factor, and because Defoe is great. I saw Thunderbolts at a friend's house. It was actually alright. Saw Black Widow too and it was ok. I can't be assed to get back into this stuff though.
>>220986556Yes, it was maybe the best scene in the movie.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFBYy8PFxHg
>>220981999Yeah, Dr Strange was actually interesting to me. Outwitting the Big Bad Guy instead of beating him up was refreshing.
these are our Greek myths. they can't all be winners.
this film and growing up
>>220981768not being 20 years old anymore2 childrenone wifeone mortage
>a mostly civilized discussion about capeshitWell, now I've seen everything.
>>220981862Mate, thor ragnarok won several awards about being the best comedy from 2017. It is true search on the interent.
>>220986532>It was no more than two per year at most.2018 and 2019 had 3 MCU films each but to be fair, that's when the MCU was at its peak.
>>220986734>Capeshit is modern mythologyGrim
>>220986959it is, though...?you need to do yourself some reading, lol
SMDH @fags ITT regurgitating simplistic shit like 'muh multiverse' and 'muh capeshit fatigue' as if those were ever the real problem.Even if you don't personally like capeshit, there are still plenty of people who do. Westerns may not be the hot shit lately but my Dad still watches every Western he can lay his Boomer hands on to this day, and they still make some good Westerns. The MCU could have persisted much longer - obviously. Maybe you weren't personally interested, but a lot of people were up for Round #2 after the rather lacklustre 'Endgame', or at least curious to see if they could get hooked in again. The same reason anyone would even bother to watch a 'Doomsday' trailer at all, (and the delay in-between helps). And tell me one comicfag who doesn't think Dr. Doom is cool as shit, and would kill to see a half-decent film adaption.The problem was always the quality being undermined by obvious faggots obviously, and that prematurely shortened the run the MCU COULD have had otherwise. For example, nobody who is actually into superhero shit would have had a problem with female superheroes as long as they were dressed appropriately, (skin tight spandex like God intended), instead of uglified stone-faced bitches in garbage bags spouting feminist retardation. You'd at least have bitches cosplaying that shit to eternity and back, whether they knew the difference between Deadshot and Bullseye or not, but even they don't want to wear the crap they got instead, and that's just one example of the real problem.The comics sold for decades, generation after generation, multiverses, retcons an' all. Throwing your hands up and saying it can't work anymore 'because multiverse' is like saying the problem with Dr. Who is they can't recast the part too many times, or some undeniably bad episodes in the past. No. That waxed and waned in popularity in the past, but the big problem that killed interest in the present as with the MCU is obviously the Woke faggotry.
>>220986928You're right, and 2017 too. Guess I forgot about some of the movies.
>>220987030If you unironically read Fry you need to kys
>>220981800Fpbp. Who cares about Captain Marvel or Kamala or fuckin Nu Gardians or Nu Avengers.
Iron Man and Cap written outBlack Widow and Black Panther deadHulk and Thor rendered hopelessly lame and gayHawkeye loses his penis and goes insane irlDoctor Strange gets cucked and Scarlet Witch becomes a cartoon villainSpider-Man stuck in some kind of murky legal arrangement with Sonynobody cared about any of the other old characters, and they utterly failed at making anyone care about the new ones
>>220981768Time travel. Once you open that box you lose all credibility. Then multiverse shit layered in that and you got the baseline for writing stupid shit that doesn't need to be coherent since you can just wave it off saying different time/reality. Might as well just read the comics at that point.
>>220981768The start of it was the TV shows. They wanted to catch the female audience but women don't give a shit about comic books. Comics were always progressive and made multiple attempts at female leads; they couldn't make them more than supporting or secondary characters. But at this point is they had assembled an ideologically charged core that was convinced the comic book industry was built by and for fat racist chuds who hated women and minorities. They showed us all with Captain Marvel. It didn't fail, the audience was just wrong.
>>220987067nah, i disagree. i'm not looking at this from box office returns or what's trendy or politically correct or whatever.purely as stories, the moment they start introducing shit like>there's infinite universes!>we can just time time travel!>death? i cast Resurrection Lvl. 99!i lose all interest. Iron Man was already about a magical flying robot man, but apparently by then they already had a magical flying alien woman who could have just ended the war in Afghanistan...? you can say it doesn't matter, but a lot of long-running stories hit this power creep problem and it (ironically) makes them incredibly boring. there's a reason comic books do those 'resets' every decade, to the point it's become a cliche.Doctor Who is another classic example because they could just have ordinary human companions, and perhaps they're in mortal peril (death, i.e. the permanent cessation of a person's life). instead they resort to shit like>the bomb won't just destroy OUR universe, it'll destroy ALL universes! and then go backwards through time so REALITY ITSELF will cease to...the only thing you're killing is the stakes, writers.
