How does Stargate not have "broad appeal"? They had a black guy, a woman, and a nerd as the face of the series for years.But also, how is that broad appeal working out for all the other shows that tried to force it in the worst tokenistic ways? Have any of them not failed horrendously?Are these corporate executives actual fucking aliens that don't understand human society or culture at all? And are we still stuck in this loop of failing media?
"modern audiences" means tons of drama like BSG and lots of snazzy fast-passed editing like STD
>>220984958"Modern audiences" means statistical engagement across analyzed datasets with artificial weighting placed on "disaffected" and "marginalized" groups.It has gone beyond directing and producing by committee and moved into sitting in a boardroom watching some low IQ pleb recite statistics gathered from twitter.The biggest fucking irony is Stargate does have massive broad appeal, just watch the earliest cons or read the earliest forums. Mums, dads, kids, uncles - they all watched and loved Stargate. It had the same connection to broad appeal as Firefly where the most unlikely peoples watched it.I've only seen such broad appeal in genre fiction happen in things like GoT, but that doesn't count because that was more of a social fad.I think this nipping in the bud is good anyway - as a life long fan i didn't trust the remake. I think the concept of a (relatively) low budget speculative fiction, 16-22 eps a year, "everywhere is B.C. with humans" connected by a non-spaceship travel system is better served with an entirely new IP.As much as i love Stargate it did a great job of winding down. If it continues there's too much questions to be answered. To many planets and civilizations visited and never heard of again that you'd either have expend a lot of time and energy addressing, handwaving or ignoring it all.As for the new IP... Maybe I'll just write it. After all, i read /tv/ everyday how hard can be it.
>>220984958They don't want something that appeals to their existing fanbase because they've been convinced that those fans are fans of the brand itself instead of what it represents (i.e. a decent sci-fi show).They unironically think that if they take something like Stargate and replace the cast with wisecracking black women and make it about their struggle to be respected in a white male dominated field and then have them be finally selected for the Stargate Initiative or whatever in the last five minutes of the final episode the second season has only a single episode where they visit another world and it turns out all the ancient egyptians were african-american then not only are they appealing to the non-existent "modern audience", but they've got a guaranteed success because the old fans will already eat it up even if black women don't buy into it.The thought that the original fans might not want to watch that show and could potentially NOT watch it never enters their minds.
You don't understand. They want <current thing> with an <established franchise> paintjob. Ideally, that combination has nothing to do whatsoever with the actual franchise.
>>220984958Cause Sci-Fi only has so broad of an appeal beyond Star Wars, even Star Trek, the most successful Space-Based TV series, was never a ratings juggernaut.
>>220984958>star trek rip-off without cool shipsyou cant have a space show without space travel and ships.
>>220985223bringo
>>220984958Its cringe uncslop, it was always temu Canadian star trek.
>>220985655Star Trek is just preachy jew pilpulGatey is actual speculative sci fi
>>220984958>How'd this tv adaptation of a mid-movie not appeal more?
>>220984958I'm glad they cancelled it amazon would rape it so
i love it personally but the overarching plot is just tedious and boring. its very much a show thats all vibes. the character dynamics, the ost etc, its inevitable that it will filter plotfags
>>220984958Stargate becomes insufferable after season 5 or so. At that point, they don't even visit interesting worlds anymore. It just becomes constant "dude, here's another Jaffa realize that Goa'uld are shit" episodes, or boring Earth plots.
>>220985655>>220985727>>220985884
>>220985616There is space travel in stargate though and it actually kinda ruins things because it used to be that it would take a little under a year for the goa'uld to travel from chulak to earth but then all the sudden they can travel to other galaxies in a month. Stargates should be the only true form of instantaneous travel and intergalactic conquest should only be feasible for races like that Goa'uld or Wraith who are functionally immortal.
>>220985935https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Within_the_Serpent's_Grasp>Assuming that Captain Samantha Carter's estimate of the length of the trip at ten light-years is correct, and very generously assuming that SG-1 spent six hours on the ship during this episode, that would mean that a Goa'uld Ha'tak is capable of speeds up to at least 14,600 times the speed of light, possibly up to 87,600 times light speed if the trip only lasted an hour.Goooold ships could cross the milky way in a year and reach other galaxies in a few decades. Non sex havers could do it in a fraction of the time.
>>220984958Women aren't interested in that kind of sci-fi
>>220984958By "broad appeal" they mean 2% of the population
>>220986256Less. Just because you are a minority doesn't mean you like other minorities, even of your own type. Every sane person has fatigue.
>>220985519Original 'gate was also cheap as fuck to produce so it wasn't an issue, all the "low return on investment" types need to be shot
>>220984958The "broad appeal" that it does have works against it. It's dumbed down and stupid and doesn't take itself seriously enough. Every planet looks the same. Humans that know perfect English seem to have colonies at various planets, and even other alien civilizations know English. These are the type of cop outs (original Stargate movie knew better) that give it a broader appeal. Then nerds look at and are like nah and they go watch something like Star Trek, which does a lot more to cover up any inherent dumbness (universal translator tech, etc). A scifi franchise is carried by the hardcore nerd fans not the masses.Stargate, the tv show (and its spinoffs), suck.
>>220985709absolute retard take.stargate was preachy as hell where the chairforce was always the good guys and le oppressed jaffa dindu nuffin.it was preachy and comically one sided, the goold were bond villains in terms of campiness and incompetence.they had a few interesting ideas sprinked here and there but largely abandoned the sci-fi aspect completely, they never got the sense of scale and danger in a hostile galaxy right. the system lords "threat" amounted to apophis and 5 jaffa wandering in the woods, and maybe a spaceship in a season finale. the gate was practically a teleporter and they even dropped the "learning other cultures language" angle completely because it got tedious and boring.you can clearly see the narrative shift at season 3+ when they leaned heavily into the "myths and gods" angle of the show instead of actual sci-fi. because the concept of a star gate is campy even at the best of times.
>>220984958"broad appeal" means retarded goyslop for women
>>220984958Unless they completely remake it, I don't see how they could continue on from SG1It just became too unrealistic and magical fantasy land
>>220986916Either continue the established universe or don't bother. A reboot is out of the question.
>>220986737>the system lords "threat" amounted to apophis and 5 jaffa wandering in the woodsAnd Apophis soloed the entire team in that episode. Also you never saw him die. Once he finished BAAHing he probably built a new ship out of crashed Replicator parts and conquered their galaxy.
>>220986510Sure it was cheap, but that doesn't mean that it was worth the hour of Primetime it was being given.Pretty much all genres wane and wax, and SciFi is definitely in a hard waning right now while Psychological Horror seems to be sticking well
>>220984958This was before the Culture Wars began.
>>220987162He should have been involved in the human replicator bit where he's carried around on a large replicator
My wife
>>220988312*hotwife
>mfw no new stargate with jeet cgi
>>220985655this, and even star trek seemed low budget. it felt like a straight to vhs sequel after the stargate movie.
>>220984958I've never gotten into Stargate and I say that as a huge trek fan. It seems like even more than trek, the settings just end up being wandering around forests and fields that are totally alien planets, and the main guys are just dressed like modern soldiers? Idk, seems lame. Maybe I will give it a shot though.
>>220989912Anything is better than nutrek
I watch Atlantis for she
>>220989912Its basically just GI Joe vs Ancient Alies, staring Macgyver. The early seasons definitely feel cheap, definitely got it's fair share of episodes set in empty warehouses, empty quaries, pacific north west forrest, and etc, but there's still a pretty good variety of places
>>220988312Lul they killed her off just cause
>>220984958I found SGU nigh unwatchable because of all the stupid interpersonal drama and relationship shit.>Hurr durr I'm pregnant! I'm crying! We're so fucked! Communication stones were a fucking mistake. God only knows the kind of nightmare adaptation we would have gotten had Mallozzi, Gero and Wright capitulated to this shit. I bet it has something to do with that awful fucking Netflix transplant that just became Head of Worldbuilding. Both execs that spearheaded the reboot left within weeks of that guy showing up, he must have been insufferable.
>>220992372>stupid interpersonal drama and relationship shit>Communication stones were a fucking mistakeFiltered>Both execs that spearheaded the reboot left within weeks of that guy showing up, he must have been insufferableIt's probably just to show authority. Either way it is, he's retarded and needs to be blacklisted from the industry, donald trump if you can hear me, please donald trump.
GOOLD?
>>220993761
Live action Infinity
>>220984958Wacko!
>>220993110>FilteredSGU only got interesting when they finally started encountering aliens. There was something very off with the show throughout its entire run, I once read it was because they were trying to emulate BS:G. Not for me. It's crazy how such a cool premise can get ruined by trying to do "something new"
>>220984958because it's star trek set in a bunker and, occasionally, a forest. why would i not just watch tng
I am personally convinced amazon only entertained the reboot because of the us military angle and were surprised the reboot scripts had fun adventures about sci fi riggamarolls and less worship for the air force; ie placate the orange man and hegseth. furthermore, the worlds smartest person and presumptive leader of stargate command being a woman would just piss hegseth off and likely wouldn’t get air force cooperation the original sg1 is actually too woke by today’s standards
>>220984958I watched it as a kid and it was really, really boring
>>220986737Ah, i see you never actually seriously watched the show. As evident by your bad faith rhetoric.
>>220995358SGU was forced on the writers by the higher ups, they wanted a battlestar galactica reboot style drama scfi show because it was big hit back then, but the first season was shit, then teh writers got more freedom second season to return to older stargate format and thats when SGU started to improve, but by then the viewer ratings where so low that they pulled the plug.
>>220995441>white male action hero protagonist>white male in charge of stargate command>white male archeologist>all the female characters are white>major villains like apophis are black>1 single black guy who's good (even his mentor, the other good guy goauld, is white)If SG-1 came out today leftists would be literally shaking.
>>220995441>the worlds smartest person and presumptive leader of stargate command being a womanSpeaking as an SG fan I would have absolutely no problem with Carter being in command. Secondaries would probably throw a shitfit though.
>>220985223>They don't want something that appeals to their existing fanbase because they've been convinced that those fans are fans of the brand itself instead of what it representsStargate Universe alone proves this false
>>220984958They want a success that hits the same groups as The Boys. Imagine a good Stargate show, now look at the people gushing over The Boys and still enjoying it into its 5th season; how much overlap do you think there is without making drastic changes to Stargate's core philosophies and tone.
>>220997085and in everything you’ve just described, I am straight up telling you, it’s too woke for hegseth to allow military consultation sorry not sorry
>How does Stargate not have "broad appeal"? i know the narrative spin is it wasn't woke enough but i just legitimately believe it's not a big enough franchise to survive in the current costs to run a scifi show.
>>220985754horrifying
>>220984958SGU had lesbian when woke shit started to take off so I’m guessing Amazon wants to thrown in some non binary bullshit into the mix but that doesn’t make sense when the first stargate movie literally had Ra
>replace Daniel with Jonas Quinn>treat him like shit so that nobody likes him>replace Jonas Quinn with Daniel againWhat was their plan right there?
>>220998981>tfw you don't have Christopher Judge as part of your production team includinh smoking hot women with big tits
Roland Emmerich is just a cunt and wants to reboot it and he convinced the studio to throw the tv canon into a fire
>>220986737The one preachy moment in the show, despite the typical 90s/2000s political optimism a la TNG, was when they encountered a particularly based civilization engaging in an ethnic race war, and O'Neill sperged out and left them holding their cocks instead of helping them cleanse their planet. It felt forced and contrived. Even then, it was a really cool episode with a disappointing letdown.
>>220985935>>220986099It's outright stated several times that the GOOLD became stagnant technologically since everyone they came across either:>Was so technologically inferior it was an easy curbstomp>Was so technologically superior the GOOLD couldn't dream of ever winningAnd so, they stayed at basically the same level of tech for millenniaIt's only after they saw the Tau'ri go from "no threat but pulled off a massive fluke against Ra" to "oh shit they're actually consistently winning small skirmishes" that they started advancing their own tech and were forced to think outside of the box - this is why Baal starts as a minor GOOLD but ends up being the biggest threat of all GOOLD - he never started in a position powerful enough to be comfortable and as such was uniquely positioned to match or outpace the Earth's speed of advancementIt's literally why the Asgard agree to give all their knowledge and technology to EarthThis is also kinda true to Earth's real-life history, a large amount of our technological leaps were from war making them a necessity
>>220999621>It's a "teal'c bangs a white woman episode"
A show centered around disclosure would've printed. It's topical as fuck and you don't need to trash the established lore to make it and entirely new jumping off point for new viewers. That and even my black baby boomer Grandmother watchted SG1. It's always been a niche show but I feel like it's been liked by a pretty broad range of people from the get go.
>>221000983Indeed
>>220994945I actually fucking hate this idea, but this is probably the only way they could create a fresh new series, that meets their stated goals of respecting the lore and the pre-established universe, while also creating a new jumping off point for new viewers, so they don't need to watch any of the old shit, Just write an SG team that stepped throughthe star gate, and some "rare"unidentified cosmic ray hits their stargate, and that creates an maccident hat sends them to a new, uncharted galaxy, with no real understanding of where they are, or how to get home
>>221001869>black baby boomer GrandmotherRacism... Decreasing... Powerlevels falling
>>220984958Stargate is played out, just like SW and ST. There were 5 stargate series and 1 web series spanning 1997 to 2018. There is nothing more to tell, short of rebooting the franchise.
>>220995358Not an arguement, they were writing for 5+ season, "only" including aliens by early season 2 is a perfectly reasonable pacing choice.
>>221003104Here's an argument: Structure your TV show appropriately with the knowledge that it could get cancelled (because that's the reality). Don't be pretentious and allude.
Stargate is about travelling through space and shit. They don’t touch on black, gay, or women issues.
>>220984958Broad appeal means primarily appearing to fags and women
>>221000983Danielsisters...
>>221003641>both daniel and tealc got cuckedwtf i hate stargate now
>>220999490There was no plan.Michael Shanks was starting to notice that Daniel was growing more and more like Jack over the seasons and decided to leave. But then fans kept asking for him back, which he was surprised at since he thought Daniel was starting to lose his unique role on the team. and he realized that he missed working on the show (and probably the stable paycheck) so asked if he could come back.Jonas got screwed, basically.
it's just an excuse. Keeping it the same, having the same writers do it etc would be good for the viewers, good for the company and might result in a successful tv-show. however, it would be bad for whoever within the company desires to have that project for themselves or their team. so telling they need to take control because of reason X is a way to hijack the project for yourself. the scumbags doing this just aren't very creative so they're all using the same goto excuse that has worked like a charm before.
>>221003641>>221004222Daniel also got meta-cucked
>>220997805You're still wrong. Don't shift the blame to Trump. It's Amazon execs who cancelled it.
>>220984958uhh because it's a gay show for nerds?
>>220984958>"modern audiences"aka needs more faggots
>>220985472a skinsuit for an ideology
>>220984958I own the complete series because some person dropped it off at my Library. Sci-fi only appeals to certain people, if you don't catch it early you might never. Stargate caught a bunch of boomers who watched Macgyver and young nerds who thought the concept was cool.
>>220984958>Are these (((corporate executives))) actual fucking alienssort of
>>221002303Stargate: Voyager
>>220998981It's problematic when the tranny is the villain. They need to be a core protagonist.
>>221006267>a bunch of boomers who watched MacgyverYou only need Jensen Ackles to headline a new Stargate show, in continuity with the existing Sg-1/Atlantis/Universe series.
>>221006461SEXOOOOOO
>>221005585That's hilarious.
>>221005671These are the same Amazon execs that paid $40,000,000 for a Melania documentary and another $35,000,000 in advertising, and it made $16,000,000 because no one watched it. And Bezos is on the record saying it was a good investment by them for reasons. You would need to have brain damage to believe that Trump has no influence on Amazon decision making. His approval was worth them throwing away almost $60,000,000 before and the Air Force wasn't even involved that time.
Amazon greenlit 5 seasons of Rings of Powerimagine how bad the Stargate relaunch must've been
>>221007292Lawd of the Rangz was of personal interest to Bezos so money was no issue. He is probably only vaguely aware of Stargate as an Emmerich film and misremembers Will Smith playing a tranny. If you read his checklist for a "good" story its obvious he's a fucking retard.
>>221007833How funny would it have been if they ignored the entirety of the TV shows and had Kurt Russel come back and just continue from the movie.
>>220986583>wall of text to justify demoralization decision by liberal corporationywnbaw
>>221007914Daniel would be the kid with AIDS
>>221006512Damn, good call. If amazon actually cared about making a good show he'd be the perfect choice
>>221005671not the orange man, hegseth hegseth would actually be a good villian in an episode that blocks carter’s promotion to general of the sgc because her reproductive organs are on the inside
Surfs up dude
>>220984958Their idea of "broad appeal" is actually extremely narrow
>>220984958My problem with it is that the writing was bad. In particular, the main crew acted in the absolute most nonsensical retarded way at all times. Had the same problem in startrek: enterprise.
>>221011848>the main crew acted in the absolute most nonsensical retarded way at all times. Had the same problem in startrek: enterprise>Chad goes round the galaxy beating up alien fucking shits
>>221012287More like waltz into a room that says "there's a bomb behind this door", gets blown up, and rolls around like a tard for the rest of the episode, but then the aliens slip on a banana peel so everyone's happy and they all go home. Also it's never for fun, it's always for bullshit reasons like "waaah they don't worship wahman" "oh no they said they don't like black people, kill them all" tier nonsense as previously outlined itt.
>>220984958>How does Stargate not have "broad appeal"?Not everybody wants to see the Canadian woodlands every single episode.
>>221012606that's why the new show was produced in the UK.
>>221012374It's the problem of writing a coherent story with a conclusion within the span of 40 minutes. The main point is all the shows of the 90s/00s had hot sluts in them. Now you have shit ultra preachy dialogue AND fat uggos.
>>221012800It would have been really depressing if it was made in the uk
>>221013790landscapes are a bit more varied than British Columbia. especially with Amazon budget and CG matte paintings.
Why don't people just make new shows instead of recycling old ones? I don't want to see X-files Stargate or Fringe rebooted I just want a good show with a cast with chemistry and a fun plot.
>>221014086>I just want a good show with a cast with chemistry and a fun plot.ImpossibruThe only thing you're getting is some original garbage show wearing the skin of a popular IP with 8 episodes once every 3 years
>>220984958Streaming completely killed tv shows. Only the super duper mega popular ones actually bring in subscribers, studios have zero interest in making shows that will only serve to keep those already subscribed watching a little longer, especially when they're constantly getting more expensive and with more ads so they're all driving people away by default. Even the popular stuff gets like 10 episodes every 3 years, you used to get 22 every single year.
>>220991683Same she was so much hotter than the supposed "sex appeal" teyla
>>220984958analytics are skewed by the sudden emergence of the indian subcontinent. i'm sure of it.should have firewalled that whole region.
unrelated but Farscape was better than SG1
>>221014751The Goold probably created a quarantine planet just for jeets and used it as a testing ground for biological weapons
>>220984958It's too boring. Literally nothing ever happened in the show.
>>221014969Yes, and farscape also sucked. Every episode was dreams or drugs, nothing else allowed. So stupid.
stargate was awesome but the black guy being a slave can't be done today
>>221015318he wasn't a slave. he was literally a General of the Space Army. he technically outranked and had more fighting experience than everybody in the SGC.
>>221015436he was a slave to the snake gods
>>221015436The whole slaves to GOOLD thing gets mentioned often enough, but it's not like it was meant to be literal. And even if he was he stops being one during the pilot anyway so who the fuck cares.
Why'd they let him back in the air force after the incident with the Sandkings?
>>221015545>Sandkingswhat were they again?
>>221013677Wasted Jolene Blalock on a "tealc fucks a white woman episode written by christopher judge."
>>221015304Apart Lotus Eater episode, what other episodes features drugs?
>>221015304that's not true at all. One of the most memorable episodes is a bank heist.
>>221015559The only good episode of The Outer Limits
>>221000983It's a Teal'c bangs his real life brother's wife's sister episode.
>>220985114>anon writes a show just for himselfOh I did this a few months ago but for Lord of the Rings in the era of Aragorn as king. Writing your own show is comfy
