has he coped the floppening or has his silence been deafening?

I think the whole Youtuber horror film thing that is going on just shows that anyone can do horror and that it's impossible for a director to fail at directing a film because of all the safety measures that the studios do, they surround their directors with people who know what they're doing.

>>220994535
stuckman did fail, though
his movie flopped and nobody liked it

>>220994535
The reason horror is an entry level genre is because you can make them for dirt cheap and as long as its not offensively retarded and delivers on some spooks people will give it a lot more leeway than other genres.

Honestly Shelby Oaks should be studied on how to absolutely ruin a concept people actually did want and give them the complete opposite instead. Basically complete opposite philosophies between Kane's Backrooms shorts becoming and Movie and Paranormal Paranoids turning into Shelby Oaks.

>>220994535
don't compare this to the other examples
shit like the backrooms and bring her back are actual movies, shelby oaks was stuckmann having doug walker brain and not knowing what would actually work or not
shelby oaks is more comparable to channel awesome movies in terms of being tone-deaf and sloppy

>>220994640
It's way worse than just being stupid. All he had to do was make the web series that already existed into a movie. So he did in fact know what worked and what didn't. He decided to add a bunch of stupid shit nobody wanted or asked for.

Another cuckman hate thread I approve

>>220994579
Stuckmann failed because he crowdsourced his movie, ensuring he wouldn't make anything that appealed to anyone but himself because of lack of oversight.

Obsession and Backrooms succeeded because they had industry backing. Even though their budgets were small, teams of professionals supported every department to make a cohesive and entertaining movie.

>>220994928
nah Backrooms looks just like the youtube shorts if the guy was given the budget to make a real set instead of having to do it in blender. Obsession also has a clear vision. Industry backing is good for some things but Shelby Oaks not having any vision or direction is 1000% just Stuckman being a stupid hack

>>220994928
>Stuckmann failed because he crowdsourced his movie, ensuring he wouldn't make anything that appealed to anyone but himself because of lack of oversight.
that's sort of true, but he ended up getting studio backing along with distribution and they gave him more money to improve it, but the only change we know of is the dogs at the end
but the studio probably figured they could go hands off because he has a youtube audience so the numbers were guaranteed or whatever

stuckmann failed because he's a nerd with no aesthetic sensibilities

>>220994928
Obsession and Backrooms were polished and mainstream hits because of industry backing, they werent “successes” because of it. Obsession would have been a success if it got good reviews and made 5 million dollars, which might have happened if it looked more low budget and had less polished post production (music, color grading, sound, etc). The idea that Shelby Oaks failed because it was fully idependent is laughable when most directors start with fully idependent small movies that get critical acclaim and a little bit of money.

>>220995222
that's because he was raised jehovah's witness or whatever
and the scariest idea he could come up with for his passion project horror movie wasn't scary because he's the kind of kid who wasn't allowed to read harry potter when he was a kid, let alone watch any horror movies

The recent horror slops have just convinced me that it's a bullshit genre that anyone can do and be successful at it as long as they have a gimmick (and a good marketing budget)
Stuckmann's movie didn't have a marketing budget and didn't have a gimmick, it's just a boring ghost story, might have been a hit two decades ago

Tell that to Zod’s snapped neck

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>>220995365
the idea that you're desperate to look at the genre through some outsider, analytic lens means you're a fucking midwit
>Stuckmann's movie didn't have a marketing budget and didn't have a gimmick, it's just a boring ghost story, might have been a hit two decades ago
horror movies don't automatically succeed

You'd think he could make some cult kino given how he was raised.

>>220995869
he was too much of a coward to put himself out there like that, same with mike and jay and their ironic anti-comedy

>>220994928
> crowdsourced his movie, ensuring he wouldn't make anything that appealed to anyone but himself because of lack of oversight.
how come rlm's one didn't even appeal to themselves or their crowd funders. they must have an even worse process than chris buttman

>>220992665
>critic movies fail
>creator movies succeed
I'm noticing

His movie made over 8 million. How much did Space cop make?

>>220996900
RLM’s movie wasn’t crowd funded

>>220992665
More like a box office check. Or a pulse check lmao.

>>220997391
Dumb move on their part. Imagine using your own money to fund space cop lmao.

>>220992665
Millennials and Gen X think its uncool to take your craft seriously. Zoomers don't have any of these hangups and in fact it's seen as embarrassing to be an amateur.

>>220997391
>>220997435
oh, why did i think it was? oh the other hand, isn't them having a patreon and talking about doing an exciting project sort of implicitly having backers it even if the money isn't silod. you know i don't know if they even had patreon then these fukin guys go back before common internet creator structures even exist

>>220994579
>fail

Budget: $1,400,000 (estimated)
Domestic (US & CA): $4,500,051
Worldwide: $8,140,300
Money Made: $2,670,150

>>220997509
no

>>220997509
Most of Space Cop was made before they even had a Patreon.

>>220995365
The fact that you and I both heard about it means it had enough marketing to stand a good chance. The problem was that it sucked ass. It’s right on the cusp of being so amateurish that it’s unintentionally funny, but it isn’t quite there, so instead it’s just really boring.

>>220997521
>(estimated)
lmao
Not to mention this was them taking a chance on him and it didn't work out, he'll have to crowdfund his next project if he ever tries to make anything again, and this time a studio won't come in and boost his money

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>>220997521
>he thinks budget : box office = films profit

Even if there was zero marketting the cinema takes a cut and then there's distribution costs.

>>220997355
Your film blows, Chris

>>220997935
> taking a chance
Why didn't they just read the script and reflect? Same question for space cop too, oh they didn't like how it 'worked out'? The script... didn't read it?

>>220998455
Space Cop wasn't picked up by a major studio

>>220992665
He paved the way for them. They would be nothing, NOTHING, without his sacrifice. You're welcome!

>>220998537
talk to me had already come out and been successful before shelby oaks released

>>220998487
No i mean some anon was saying "RLM aren't retards, since they too aren't happy with how it turned out" but it's not a matter of something getting lost in the implementation it just has no funny jokes in the script which normally means you would fix that before shooting that script

>>220992665
Is he the most normie reviewer? I don't think he ever had any hot take or an opinion that wasn't formated into what's the general public's opinion already.

>>220994928
Iron Lung still did fine even though it was completely financed and published by the creator.

>>220998603
RLM are just lazy and they made a lazy movie
Stuckmann bought into his own hype years ago, which is why he thought he could make a movie, and getting studio backing didn't help deflate his unearned ego
And given the relative pittance that was injected into the project by Neon, they probably didn't care that much
but they did likely expect a guy with 2 million subscribers to be able to rake in more than 8 million dollars theatrically, studio people look at youtube numbers like his and envision a scenario where each viewer buys a ticket to see his movie
unfortunate stuckmann isn't funny or clever or have any idea, I do think if you didn't really grow up with media, you're just physically incapable of being good at making it, unless you schizophrenic and you're making outsider art or whatever, but certainly not a standard horror movie
you need to have watched scream or the thing or whatever before the age of let's say 13, or else you're just not gonna make it in the genre, and stuckmann did not really watch movies of any kind until he was in his late teens

>>220992665
HNURR SHERMAN OAKS
HNURR THAT'S IN LA, PEOPLE IN LA WILL GET A GOOD FEELING AND FUND MY MOVIE

>>220997435
Space Cop cost about as much as a Honda Accord.

>>220994928
Obsession was an independent production bought buy a larger studio