>>220995157
Not according to the writer

>>220995220

The writer is a stupid bitch trying too hard to make his shitty movie deep despite it being full of plot holes.

>>220995157
> Bear to kill her because she doesn't like being posessed to be in love with him
Yeah retard, she didn't like being a demon of hell

>>220995157
Foids absolutely love “discourse” and Obsession provides red meat for them by showcasing a foid suffering at the hands of a ridiculous 2-Dimensional male archetype, but “hiding” it by making the male the main character (other movies telling the same story like Companion failed at this by making the “used” foid the protagonist, which negates the need for “analysis” and deprives foids of the feeling that they can see “what its really about”). I have to give props to the director, the movie feels so cynically designed in this way you just know he had tiktok arthoe letterboxd pussy on his mind as he wrote it. You know this is 100% the case when you see him in interviews talking about how “the real curse is that he took away her bodily autonomy”. Naming the man Bear is the cherry on top. This is like absolutely psychotic sexpest levels of foid pandering and manipulation and it clearly paid off big time.

>>220995157
Average zoomer writing
Pseudo intellectual "deep" metaphor about the same 2-3 themes that zoomers are somehow afraid of

>>220995157
>she doesn't like being posessed to be in love with him
I got the impression that it was more because her soul was essentially trapped in the hell dimension.

>>220995157
It's just a director's gimmick from American Psycho (Willem Dafoe's character), they need her to be somewhat flirty to lead Bear (and the audience) on but also have a unwarranted feeling.

>>220995519
I don't agree with everything about this, but you're probably right on the money that women can be LESS engaged if the girl is clearly the protagonist.

they also probably like that the real Nikky isn't clearly separated from the obessed Nikky, as that lets them imagine the movie is in one sense a real love story not a movie about demonic possession.

>>220995519
It is pretty funny how women went "wow i'm like... so in touch with my feelings and so smart for realizing... the protagonist was uh... the bad guy? That's so deep... us women truly are the victims all the time..."

>>220995157
I though it was obvious with the necklace

>>220995310
What plot holes? It was a good movie. The director is a funny looking guy and he is funny.

>>220995781

There's this company making real magic artifacts that grant ANY wish no matter what it does, and EVERYONE knows it works, there's an entire page in reddit that shows the protagonist that everyone knows it's real, and people are allowed to buy them for others and even tell them they work.
Yet somehow nobody ever wished for super powers or humanity to die or to become king of the universe or whatever?

It makes money RAIN but people are not abusing it or giving attention to it? And despite it not being a monkey paw for anyone else, it suddenly involves weird demonic possession and phone calls from hell when it comes to wishing for love?

>>220995781
funny how? funny like a clown?

>>220995698
it's stupid because the protagonist clearly wasn't supposed to even be "the bad guy" by the director, but the movie has to be sold on that premise as anything else would put off women from seeing the movie.

Mark Kermode was lying about that in his review too.

>>220995925
>the protagonist clearly wasn't supposed to even be "the bad guy"

What are you talking about his cat dies and he doesn't give a shit and he's more worried about getting laid. Let alone when he starts dating her and things seem fine at first not even 2 days pass and he's already tired of her. The protag was always awful.
Just lonely incels find him relatable because they also wish they had an "obsessive meme crazy gf" the internet sold to them.

>>220995157
>she begs Bear to kill her because she doesn't like being posessed to be in love with him
Think it had a little bit more to do with the whole being trapped in her body/hell than being forced to love Bear.

>>220995951
I don't think the movie is making bank because of incels here anon

>>220995781
>>220995843
Those arent really plotholes because the movie clearlydoesnt want you to take the wish gimmick too seriously. The real plotholes are the fact that the characters and their actions are equally handwaved away. Why did it take so long for Bear to not only tell anyone about the wish, but also to even just go back and buy more wish sticks after realizing the first one clearly worked? People handwave the first part and say “he was just selfish”, but by the time he is eating his own cat it is officially unbelievable that he is still not saying anything, especially since its implied he just continues to work the rest of the day at his job with Sarah after eating his cat and just saying nothing to her. Then Nikki gashes open her own face with a bottle at a party full of people and… just leaves with Bear. Lol. One of the most laugh out loud retarded things ive seen in any movie. Ive seen people say “its trying to show thay they are fake friends that dont care about her”. Yea thats not how you show that. If you are having a character randomly mutilate herself into a gushing puddle of blood in front of 20 friends then that completely alters the tragectory of the story, there is no way they just leave for the night and go back to chilling, then Sarah hits up Bear and they just chill outside his house waiting to be killed, still barely acknowledging that Nikki is demon possessed. At this point the movie is just a complete joke and its basically just waiting for everyone to be killed, which thankfully they do from there to the end, but I couldnt believe how little the film wanted me to believe anything was happening or that any of the characters are real. Even more so, I cant believe the movie did so well with critics. I think all the hype around the movie is just based on the Actress that plays Nikki and her performance

>>220995998

No but incels certainly think the movie is for them and that it actually presents crazy bpd girlfriends or how "you really don't want that crazy gf you saw in memes" lecture. The fact that the right tried to appropiate the movie making those "the face she makes bla bla block rapist" is very telling.

>>220995157
>> Movie makes it very clear she only saw protagonist as a little brother and she begs Bear to kill her because she doesn't like being posessed to be in love with him
The opening of the film perfectly captures ambiguity for a reason. From Bear's perspective every comment is adding to the does she/doesn't she,
>Bear mentions how she helped him out when he had a bereavement.
>Nikki mentions how she can only talk to Bear about this stuff.
>Nikki asks if he likes Sarah.
All these points can be interpreted as just friends or as possibly something more. The point is we can never tell until he asks, but he refuses to It doesn't help that everyone around this situation is an unreliable narrator, Sarah likes Bear so are her comments about Ian and Nikki accurate? But if Sarah is telling the truth then that means Ian was possibly actively sabotaging Bear? Why do that if Nikki didn't like him? She begs Bear to kill her because past a certain point the wish has essentially erased her anonymity and even if she liked Bear she wouldn't want to live as a non person.

> A-ACTUALLY THE MOVIE IS VERY UHH DEEP AND UHHH YOU NEVER KNOOOOW IF SHE LIKED HIM OR NOT
The problem isn't the movie itself the problem is the meta commentary. Either the movie is the best thing ever or worse thing ever. And then if people hype it up, expectations are high so everyone that didn't like it calls it overrated. Analysing and discussing shit isn't the same as hype marketers saying "2 deep 4 u!" You've simply become poisoned by online debate so much so that you can't discuss a film and shoot the shit over different interpretations. That is a (you) problem.

>>220996036
>erased her anonymity
*personality
Autocorrect.

>>220995519
What is foid?

>>220996027
>the movie clearlydoesnt want you to take the wish gimmick too seriously.

Yet it's what drives the entire plot. Without magic wishes the movie doesn't happen. It being ignored doesn't add mystery, it ruins the setting.

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>she didnt like him
holy moly, non-sex-havers like Bear up in here huh? if you werent able to catch the signs that she liked bear, you NEED to have sex. please.

>>220996027
>the movie clearly doesnt want you to take the wish gimmick too seriously.
thank god because otherwise it takes its premise 100% seriously, like its a movie about desperately needing to cure a woman who has become violent because she has brain cancer.

I think I would have liked the non-horror black comedy version of this a lot more. something like Heathers, which originally ended with Christian Slater blowing up his highschool and them all being in heaven at the end.

>>220996036
No one cares

>>220996027
I believe the cat stuff was added late in the writing process because the director realized there wasn't enough obvious horror stuff early in the film. plus to foreshadow that Bear for no obvious reason has lethal pills lying around in his house.

you can't be subtle you have to clearly telegraph that the magic stick has turned her into a horror villain IMMEDIATELY. or the zoomers will get their phones out and you're fucked.

>>220995951
Having a pet cat is the gayest thing a “man” can do

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>>220996027
>Even more so, I cant believe the movie did so well with critics.

welcome to 2026

>>220996068
> S-she was totally into Bear!
>> Is fucking his ugly fat friend, is mean to Bear and self absorbed and thinks of him as a little brother to the point during the party she makes an entire incest brother x sister speech.
You guys are just brainwashed by porn and really wanna think the whole "W-women love their rapists!" so you really wanna think she was interested all along in Bear and secretly enjoyed being raped by him through the wish.

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>>220995157
>"uhhh... rapist... uh... meme?"
Well, Bear is a rapist. The movie is about how rapists should kill themselves.

>>220996132
>and really wanna think the whole "W-women love their rapists!" so you really wanna think she was interested all along in Bear and secretly enjoyed being raped by him through the wish.
not what i said, i said she liked him, not that she enjoyed being his cum rag while under the spells power. and if you think im an incel,

both the actress playing nikki, in the OP pic and the director have both said they thought nikki liked bear.

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>>220996117
> C-cats are gay! Dogs are for us straight men!
> t. Incel who's never been with a woman but still thinks he's straight
lmao.

>>220996036
>Ian was possibly actively sabotaging Bea
this is definitely the intended point. that's why he's telling Bear to neg Nikky in the first scene, and use "Freaky Nikky" when he knows she hates it.

but Sarah is a woman so she is just being honest. the real plot hole is why any of these people associate outside of work, they weren't convincing as a group of friends at all and that added to the feeling of none of the characters being real even when the acting was good.

>>220996143

Not the point, i'm talking about how rightoids are trying to appropiate the movie because "it's showing all men that women keep contact with their rapist" since rightoids love making memes instead of actually watching movies.

>>220995157
Sarah lied, and Nikki looked disappointed when Bear said she was just a friend.

>>220996266

If Sarah lied why did Nikki give an entire speech about incestuous brother x sister sex if she didn't see him as a little brother?
Let alone why was she fucking Bear's ugly fat friend if she liked him?

>>220996266
We never heard Sarah say "She thinks of you like a little brother." That was Ian supposedly relaying what Sarah said. When Sarah was alone with Bear she said that Ian hooked up with her and Ian thought Nikki was getting with Bear as a way of getting back at him. Sarah never told Bear directly.

>>220996315
Nikki mentions writing a book near the start that is a love story, Bear says romance, Nikki says no. The incest portion of her what she said could be interpreted as her talking about something taboo. Taboo like forcing someone to be obsessed with you overriding their personality making it completely wrong.

>>220996177
>rightoids are trying to appropiate

blah blah I'm sure that's just part of the astroturfing campaign like most of what's in these threads.

>>220996315
>Let alone why was she fucking Bear's ugly fat friend if she liked him?
Have youve never been in a friend group? Youd be surprised at how often the girls and guys hook up. Plus theyre not really deep friends, theyre more like coworker friends so Nikki fucking Ian isnt a condemnation on Bear.

>why did Nikki give an entire speech about incestuous brother x sister sex if she didn't see him as a little brother?
That was freaky nikki. Youre an autist if you couldnt pick up the subtle hints and the way she looked at Bear that she actually did like him. I mean she even goes off into a spiel about romance and infatuation or something like that, a clear distinct difference between love and lust.

>>220996320
all these character details get completely overshadowed anyway.
it doesn't matter what the characters real motives were when Nikki is projectile vomiting and bashing herself in the face. Ian and Sarah are disposed with for shock effect so who cares what was going on in the backstory?

>>220996329

The movie is as deep as a puddle dude, the fact that you don't see the correlation between "She thinks of you as a little brother" and she gives a speech after about her being Bear's sister and fucking him (her brother) is insane.

>>220996416
actor playing nikki and director says nikki liked bear >(you) the virgin who hasnt even talked to a girl

>>220996416
the movie didn't ever develop the premise that Nikki's antics were the result of an inner battle between the real Nikki and fake Nikki, so it was hard to see those scenes as anything other than standard horror schlock content. it wound up just being a demonic possession story whatever the intent was.

the fact that she was able to repeatedly find his cat's body didn't even make sense. that's why I think it was added to the script relatively late.

>>220996436

Oh my bad i missed the part in which the movie had their interviews and twitter comments.

Is Dumbledore gay and Snape and Hermione black because years later JK Rowling felt like saying they are in twitter?
Didn't know my harry potter books magically had lines added when she said that in twitter.

>>220996483
>the fact that she was able to repeatedly find his cat's body didn't even make sense
He threw it in the trash and she picked it out.

>>220996416
>"She thinks of you as a little brother"
Nikki
>If I like someone, nobody will ever know
Tells Sarah she thinks of Bear as a little brother to save herself drama between the group

>>220996483
>the movie didn't ever develop the premise that Nikki's antics were the result of an inner battle between the real Nikki and fake Nikki

What are you talking about. She kisses Bear, then screams. She asks to stay at his home, then cries. She does the entire speech and kiss seciton at the party, and then smashes her head.

I don't' think they could have made it any more obvious Nikki was constantly fighting the possession of. Which again adds to the plot hole of "the wishes are not supposed to be monkey paws... except conveniently for the protagonist"

>>220996495
how did she even know it was still there.
why did she think to look for it.
what was the possessed Nikki trying to accomplish?

answer: it was a stock horror scene to make sure the zoomers didn't miss that they were watching a horror film.

in the final scene she also vomits in Bear's face (referencing the Exorcist) and says she'll be with him "forever and ever and ever" (referencing the Shining). not much more to it than that.

>>220996416
>The movie is as deep as a puddle dude, the fact that you don't see the correlation between "She thinks of you as a little brother" and she gives a speech after about her being Bear's sister and fucking him (her brother) is insane.
Anon, there absolutely is a correlation, but plenty of the shit in the film can be interpreted in different ways. Nikki never says she doesn't like Bear in that way because Bear never asked her the question. And that's the problem. The little brother comment came from Ian who might be biased. We have no definitive answers.

>>220995519
You love discourse too nigga shut the fuck up, nobody cares

>>220996515
I'm pretty sure the only person who said little brother was Ian saying that is what Sarah said. Sarah never said that to Bear in the car?

>>220996518
there is no Nikki POV until the sleep-talking scene so it didn't dramatically impact anything that was happening. the "real" Nikki is not treated as a second character.

I think the sadomasochism might be why it works for women. if fake-Nikki had been clearly positioned as a villain separate from real Nikki (say if it had shown her trapped in the Upside Down watching events) the movie would have been too unambiguously saying that we weren't meant to root for them to be together on some level.

>>220996531
>what was the possessed Nikki trying to accomplish?
Some vore/vampire/consumption shit. You loved this cat and I want to breakdown the barriers between you and this thing you loved by you consuming it and taking a part with you forever and ever. Much like how Nikki had broken down her seperation between Bear, recounting things (cat dying) as if it had happened to her. Wanting to be inside you etc.

>>220996547

So she doesn't think of him as a brother and that line clearly is uhh the jealous fat guy being jealous... so her giving an entire incest speech is meaningless?

The fact that /tv/ has no literary knowledge is hilarious to me. Next you're gonna say "Oh, in this movie it's raining while the character is crying and sad and heartbroken... must be a coincidence!."

The director is a youtuber.

>>220995998
The movie is making bank because everyone hates incels lol

>>220996606
>so her giving an entire incest speech is meaningless?
Stop the strawman shit, I never said that. You can interpret that speech as her saying this whole situation is taboo because much like the scene she is recounting, it feels forced and against the natural order. "Like the wish from a willow tree." The actual question of how Nikki viewed Bear is ambigious and everyone is unreliable in their comments. But Nikki clearly didn't like the situation but even when talking to Bear at night she didn't say "I don't like you" she actually said "You still don't know what it is like to be with me". If Nikki didn't like Bear why didn't she say so when Real Nikki could speak?

>>220996597
first you said it was because of a battle between real Nikki and fake Nikki now you're saying fake Nikki is retarded and wanted to freak Bear out and clearly show herself to be insane immediately even though her motive is ostensibly to be his gf.

I bet in the first draft of the screenplay Bear just shoots himself. then someone said that was too violent and would kill the romance, so the cat dying from an overdose of grandma's pill was added. then you do cheesy horror scenes with the cat's body because that worked in Fatal Attraction.

>>220996489
>Oh my bad i missed the part in which the movie had their interviews and twitter comments.
except her frame of thinking literally informed how she played nikki, aka as a girl who liked bear. if you couldnt pick up on this because
>BUT SHE TOLD SARAH HE WAS LIKE A LITTLE BROTHER
then youre an autist that has no game and cant pick up on queues

>>220996670
>first you said
I didn't, you're talking to different anons.

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>>220995157
>Yes, I read the IMDB Trivia for American Psycho, how could you tell?

>>220996643

Can you show a single time in the entire movie anyone is portrayed as an unreliable narrator?
You're giving too much depth to your fanfics of "everyone is vileee and has lots of secrecy" when, again, the movie is made by a youtuber.

They could throw bricks at your face and you'd start fanfics about unreliable narrators.

>>220996678

Wow almost like what an actor thinks is completly irrelevant and doesn't actually affect the movie?
If Nikki actress said today "Oh btw, nikki is trans" does that make her character trans? Is that how your brain works?

>>220996606
>her giving an entire incest speech is meaningless?
at this point I'm more interested in the earlier drafts of the screenplay than what was actually filmed. it's CLEARLY linked to the dialogue about her "thinking of you as a brother" but just lands as standard "creepy horror dialogue".

>>220996709
>Wow almost like what an actor thinks is completly irrelevant and doesn't actually affect the movie?
Yes it does because she acts like a girl who does like Bear. She said
>Nobody will know if I like someone
Then you see her act disappointed when Bear couldnt confess his feelings. Her talk about love and romance, how tired she was of her life and wanted to get away. She wasnt happy with fucking Ian, wasnt happy with her job, the one person who she feels an deep relationship and intimate one, wont nut up and ask her out so she wants to get away from it all.

She reads the script and correctly sees Nikki likes bear and that is how she portrays that character. This is why you cant get laid anon, you wouldnt know if a girl liked you even if she spelled it out for you.

>>220996695
>Can you show a single time in the entire movie anyone is portrayed as an unreliable narrator?
Oh fuck off anon, you're just assuming human beings don't have biases and that everyone is telling the absolute truth.
>Ian dismisses Bear's test confession as too emotional even though the waitress liked it, Ian said not to do it at quiz night, Ian said to call her Freaky Nikki even though Bear knows she hates it and Nikki said she hated it.
>Is Ian actively sabotaging Bear or giving bad advice?
>Ian says that Sarah told him that Nikki said that she views Bear as a little brother and friendzoned him.
>Later Sarah suggests Ian and Nikki used to hook up and Ian thinks that Nikki is hooking up with Bear to get back at Ian for some reason.
>Sarah never directly says what Ian said to Bear (little brother).
>When Bear mentions Ian hooking up with Nikki whilst trying to get him to make a Wish, Ian says, fuck you, he doesn't confirm or deny it.
So Sarah is biased, she likes Bear and has a crush on him, this is fucking obvious. Ian may or may not be hooking up with Nikki and may or may not be sabotaging Bear. So who is telling the truth? If Sarah was told by Nikki that Nikki doesn't like Bear, why didn't she just say that in the car?

>>220996773

You're inserting your fantasies into the movie dude. She screams after the wish forces her to kiss Bear and you come here saying "Oh no she was totally into him", she wouldn't have screamed like something horrible happened after a kiss if she liked him.

Let alone if she liked Bear she wouldn't fuck his ugly fat friend. It's almost like you're trying to self insert as the incel Bear.
Also hilarious you keep saying "Y-you can't get laid! you don't talk to girls", i have a boyfriend, retard. What do you have besides inserting your fanfics on movies to vicariously live through incels like Bear?

>>220996808

Not a single one of those things show someone is an unreliable narrator anon.... do you know what unreliable narrator means?

Nobody is giving their "perspective" to make the movie deeper or make the plot messy. I repeat, it's a movie made by a youtuber. If a character says the sky is blue, it's because the sky is blue.

You're acting like this shock value horror movie only successful due to the actress facial expression is some super deep analysis on the human psyche and friendship, when it's literally "Wouldn't it be cool if le incel was able to force the girl he likes into dating him?"

>>220996773
nta, and I agree with this interpretation of the pre-possession character writing.

the problem it creates a plot problem as
1) real Nikki doesn't have any reason to view being in a relationship with Bear as a fate worse than death, that might lead her to immediately wage inner battle with the possessing demon-thing.
2) fake Nikki doesn't have any reason to act like a complete psycho from the outset: she's smart enough to lie about her dad dying and then gaslight him about MDMA so why can't she just not be evil for 24 hours?

so why the cat shenanigans? to tell the audience its a horror movie that's why. Nikki just does increasingly evil stuff because its a monkey's paw movie about being in a relationship with a whackjob. there's no other explanation.

>>220996814
>she wouldn't have screamed like something horrible happened after a kiss if she liked him.
The wish created a new person because Bear wished for someone to love him more than anyone in the world. Classic wish problem. Bear's version of love, more than anyone in the world, conceptualising it by making a form of obsession that didn't understand the boundaries between people. Even if she liked Bear her personality was essentially controlled and she found that intolerable.

>>220996814
>She screams after the wish forces her to kiss Bear
she screams because she is being possessed by a demon that will later driver her so crazy she kills her friends. and like does not immediately mean love this person forever and ever, its just a like so suddenly being forced raped at the mind is a shock even if she did have initial feelings for him.
and i keep referencing the actor and director because these people wrote and read the script, understand the charcter far better than you and came out with the understanding that nikki liked bear. thats it they are the authorities if you dont believe me and the story supports it too if youre not a fucking retard.

>>220996852
>>220996850
>>220996853
Who gives a shit?

>>220996872
Why don't you try "obsessing" over a movie this isn't dogshit?

wish movies are like time travel movies.

everything is always REALLY going to be a deus ex machina contrivance and the only question is how good the writers are at hiding it. this movie wasn't really very good at hiding it and tried to play it off as comedy whilst also taking it very seriously, which was never going to work.

>>220996872
Any idea why Nikki didn't like her father and was called freaky nikki?

>>220996872
>these people wrote and read the script, understand the charcter far better than you

That's not how it works. If i write an essay and turn it in but i later forget to add entire phragraphs, i can't just say on twitter "oh btw my essay was supposed to be uhh 10000 words longer!".

The movie they made is clear, simple and shallow. If they are trying to add discussion value post movie to keep talk alive or if they failed at their job or they are retarded is irrelevant.

The movie has its scenes. None of the scenes involve the actor or director talk on twitter. I repeat, Snape and Hermione don't magically turn black because years later JK Rowling feels like they are black. If you think they do, then you're a colossal retard.

fuck nikki

>>220996850
Unreliable narrator, where a person is COMPROMISED or MISLEADING or outright false. We don't know who is telling the truth or not because everyone has possible biases in this situation. Sarah likes Bear, did she tell Ian that shit or didn't she? Was what she said motivated by her own desires or the truth? Was Ian sabotaging Bear or giving bad advice? We simply don't know hence people are... unreliable. Quit being retarded. But you ignore all that shit I said to push the same bullshit. This is bullshit or bait at this point. I am not saying this is "2 deep 4 u" or super complicated. The people involved are doing a he said/she said here. We don't know. It is that simple.

>>220996873
it's one of those movies where questioning the writing is the only way to really enjoy it.

>>220996911
don't forget that despite being clear and simple it still wasn't very coherent or believable. like, dumbing things down has its limitations apparently.

Discussion on /tv/ now is people who didn't watch a movie getting the cliff notes and getting mad for [insert culture wars point here]. Or people getting mad at the overhyped film and declaring it overrated. These films are mostly alright or fine and not really worth this shit. It is obvious which commenters fit this pattern.

>>220996924

Why are you trying to add all that depth to a movie made by a youtuber?
> You can't trust anything anybody says!!!
>> Is there any proof of that?
> My fanfics!
Again, if a character says the sky is blue, it's becuase the sky is blue, the youtuber director is making a shallow simple movie that even you fail to understand and you're here making headcanons "ohh the character said the sky is blue becuase uhhh he secretly hates the color red"

Characters exist for exposition dump. It's that simple.

>>220996696
Go outside and I assure you, you people are not the majority. Most normal people find you obnoxious

>>220996853
>Bear's version of love, more than anyone in the world, conceptualising it by making a form of obsession
that just felt like something the story had to do for dramatic effect. Bear was depicted as almost as much of a victim of the situation as Nikki.
twittergirls need to blame someone though, they can't just admit they enjoy contrived writing.

>>220996975
>people
half of the posts are 4chan employees just saying stuff to bait engagement like "lmao it's making fun of incels".

>>220996977
> My fanfics!
>headcanons
Not one sentence that connects with any of the examples I gave. I don't think you even watched the film.

>Why are you trying to add all that depth to a movie made by a youtuber?
Okay so you keep repeating this. Bot or bait at this point. I literally said, I am NOT saying "2 deep 4 u". I am not adding depth, simply explaining shit that actually happened in the film you didn't watch.

>>220997011
>Bear was depicted as almost as much of a victim of the situation as Nikki.
He was ok with 99% of what was going on the entire time tho and even made bitter comments like "is being with me that bad?"

>>220997011
Bear's main problem is that even when Nikki is flying off the handle and needs help he doesn't try to get her real help.

>>220997024
>imply explaining shit that actually happened in the film
Not a single one of the things you mention happen in the film because nobody is exposed as a liar or there's scenes negating what they said and you go so far on your fanfiction you say dumb shit like "S-sarah didn't mention the little brother comment! so that means uhhh Ian was lyign the whole time!". It's fanfiction.

If you have no friends with whom to talk it's really not my problem, how are you so sad you came to /tv/ to share your fanfics with random strangers?

>>220996054
first outer inner dyke

>>220995157
I'm so tired of culture being dominated by dumb fucking slop

>>220997058
>nobody is exposed as a liar or there's scenes negating what they said
Hence why I used the word.. unreliable. A word you claimed I didn't know what it meant but now clearly you don't understand what it means. I just gave you the definition too. Compromised. Etc.

>If you have no friends with whom to talk it's really not my problem, how are you so sad you came to /tv/ to share your fanfics with random strangers?
And now your bait is becoming so stale and obvious. It is boring anon. Quit being a retarded faggot. Obvious you haven't seen the film and you just want to shitpost. Pretty obvious that this is because you're projecting and you have no friends to go and see a movie with.

>>220997038
yeah he was in denial. the whole point of Nikki explaining away her initial (unmotivated) cat-related behavior as MDMA use was to give him a pass.

remember it makes zero sense that in reality a wish-granting stick made her want to fuck him so dismissing that explanation out of hand is realistic.

the middle part of the film where its story about a guy who is in denial that his gf is insane was the best section. like I said upthread, I would have preferred a non-horror version of the story, maybe with the same fantasy premise but treated as a black comedy.

>>220997039
>he doesn't try to get her real help.

that's why the movie being a horror weighs it down so much: there is no real help. it has to clearly depict the situation as having no solutions other than one of them dying, so we're denied a story about living with mental illness.

>>220995889
I'm just busting your balls.

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>>220995157
>NOOO I'D RATHER DIE THAN DATE SOMEONE THAT GIVES ME THE ICK
If I didn't hate women already this movie would probably make me start to.

>>220997371

How would you feel if i wished you loved a man and sucked his cock and ride his cock and fucks his ass and eats his ass and you couldn't do anything about it?

>>220995157
>Movie makes it very clear she only saw protagonist as a little brother
No it doesn't. Nikki never says that herself, she actively flirts with Bear and asks him if he likes her. The little brother thing came from a different character.

>>220997122
>that's why the movie being a horror weighs it down so much: there is no real help. it has to clearly depict the situation as having no solutions other than one of them dying, so we're denied a story about living with mental illness.
I don't think the film is bad in that regard. At first he doesn't get her help because he wants to be with her and glosses over her weirdness by explaining it away. Then he begins understanding the wish was real but feels like he can work his way through the situation. Getting people mental health help is often more complicated than people make out. He did fuck up not getting her proper medical attention after she stabbed her face but I think she was behaving like a drunk and was hard to deal with in that situation. Bear was just too enamoured at making it work and timid. Much like how he didn't just ask her he spent too much time not being active and instead being passive in the situation. By the time push came to shove and he was trying to sort out a wish via Ian he wasn't doing a good enough job explaining and fucked it all up.

plap nikki

>>220995519
lmao cause if you actually watched the director's verdict on his vision for pre wish Nikki he had an almost holier than thou image for her completely opposite of what she ended up being like with this sassy boyish character that Inde created for her that he liked better. He even stated he was planning on adding scenes of her like donating to homeless people or volunteering or some shit completel opposite of the type of girl you're imagining. Your autism clouds your judgement causing endless projective discourse on "foids" that's just as baseless as the ones you criticize.

>>220995157
Do people really watch the slopshit that gets released now and then discuss its themes as though there's any depth to it? Or is it ALL marketing and bots spoofing human activity?

>>220995157
Honestly a better twist is if Bear THOUGHT Nikki was poesssed but it turns out she is actually like this deep down and only put on a platonic mask to hide the fact. Would go way farther in the topic discussion of women and their bullshit, but we can't have that can we? The fatal attraction days are over. So we get le evil force mind controlling me cause I'm just purity and light when I'm normal.

>>220998332
nah nah I'll admit the L I completely misread one part and thought he meant the director designed the female lead to mimic those women so they'd relate to her. I still think he's projecting and probably did not have that audience as some target in mind. I despise those types of women but come on, yeah it's not that deep of a movie. Movies don't have to actually be that deep to be engaging, just have interesting elements to explore. Inb4 they're only interesting cause you're retarded. Give me examples of deep or engaging movies. For the director's experience and budget it's more well done than a laaarrrge portion of horror slop released over the past decade.

>>220995157
Poor OP, he has never experienced a girl crushing in him.

>>220998195
>He even stated he was planning on adding scenes of her like donating to homeless people

She does that at the beginning of the movie.
I thouight it was very cringe and forced.

>>220998247

I watch anything that's shilled becuase shileld usually means g ood. Like how /tv/ made me watch Barbie on release day only for it to be boring garbage.

>>220998672
>>220998247
I w-watch them so I can t-talk about them with you boys here :s

>>220995519
The horror of it comes from the forced autonomy that happens to grant Bear's wish. Hoes eat that shit up and gen Z love buying in to women's delusions of empowerment. Curry is gen Z and gives his generation what they want to see, making his movie a big success. The whole team is based in LA, of course you're not going to see some conservative shit out of them.

Bear being the MC's name is just to give his characters a memorable name as Curry said in an interview. It's not related to the Man vs Bear debate.

>>220996036
Great last point my nigga. It's becoming far too common for any type of discussion to becoming one to explain why something is the best thing ever or sucks. This movie has flaws, but it's one of the most memorable movies of its genre in recent years.

>>220995157
>another third worlder shit post

sigh

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>they swallowed the jewish anti natalist propaganda and are now arguing with each other instead of actually thinking

>>220998903
All these conversations are about fucking unrealistic expectations because people are responding to the 10% of the most vocal extremists online who are all either consumerist plebs or contrarians for the sake of it. The term overrated is just people perceiving something to be highly rated and listening to hype is basically like saying that you let marketing work on you. It would be like going into a fan group and expecting unbiased answers. Nothing is placed in any kind of context. And half the people haven't even watched the film. And if people think all culture is dead anyway then they aren't going to watch something for its own merits. All we have left is bait threads.

>>220996027
You might ironically be stupid for overthinking this. The film is just The Evil Dead, but it's set in the middle of a town rather than a cabin innawoods so the "logic" becomes more surreal. But ultimately it's a comedy.

>>220995561
>they need her to be somewhat flirty to lead Bear (and the audience) on but also have a unwarranted feeling.

so just like a regular real woman lol

>>220995519
I just saw this movie in a packed movie theater and everyone hated the protagonist. There were dudes to my left and right there were at least half a dozen moments in the film where they both audibly groaned at Bear and/or called him a piece of shit retard. I genuinely don't even understand how he has friends, or why Sarah and Nikki ever even liked him, because he doesn't display a single redeeming quality throughout the entire film.

>>220996027
>>220995843
>Yet somehow nobody ever wished for super powers or humanity to die or to become king of the universe or whatever?

this bothers me so fucking much.
this movie needed to be like Bruce Almighty where everything is going crazy,
or
have most wishing sticks be fake but a few random sticks be real. like a Willy Wonka golden ticket situation.

>>220996678
So you're saying zoomers are not aware of Death of the Author? And you guys are the ones talking about "media literacy" all the time?
The director/writer/actor are not God. They have interpretations of the Text which might inform the development of the Text, but the Text still exists on its own.

>>220996152
haha cats are socute. look at his little paws.

>>220996027
>Why did it take so long for Bear to not only tell anyone about the wish, but also to even just go back and buy more wish sticks after realizing the first one clearly worked?
Because he had plausible deniability that the wish stuff was fake at first, buying into the lies about her dad having cancer or her rolling on MDMA. And even after he knew it was real, he at least thought that the woman he was dating was actually Nikki. It wasn't until the real Nikki talks to him during the sleep scene that he realizes she's possessed by some demon or entity.

The real plot hole is - why did possessed Nikki wish for Bear to love her in the end? The entity clearly taunted Bear during the movie and heavily implied it was actually a demon, like it when it says "the love only the branch of a willow tree could create". Also not so much a plot twist, but bad writing was Nick having been fucking Nikki for years which was odd. 99% of guys would brag about something like that, especially before Bear developed any crush on Nikki.

>>220996495
Then that makes the whole thing with the cat more nonsensical, and Bear is an actual villain. I've lost cats due to age and feline cancer, and I've buried them in my backyard because I knew them for many years and I loved them. If Bear just fucking threw Sandy's carcass away, he's a sociopath who saw his dead cat as a key to unlock Nikki's pussy.

>>221000681
this. the guy is evil from the first moment you see him in the opening monologue. i physically cringed about 10 times, he's just a weird obsessed dude who needs to be medicated. i imagine being a cute girl and having losers like this hang around your social or work life and you can't ever hard no them because they would kidnap and murder you.

this movie made me understand the female perspective for the first time in my life, because i've never been anywhere near these types of guys, if anything my friends are always getting in trouble with girls chasing them. to any young guys who feel for the main character, learn an instrument, you will attract quirky goth girls who will love you for you instead of trying to creep on normie women who just want a ticket to pound town and some light choking and spit swaping.

>>220996606
>The fact that /tv/ has no literary knowledge is hilarious to me
The irony in this statement is hilarious to ME.
Yes, anon, things in stories can only mean TWO things maximum. That is definitely the law established by the development of narrative arts. Totally, dude. There is only what we see, and a singular metaphorical mirror to what we see. Nothing can ever be open to more than one interpretation. There is no such trope as a red herring, for that matter. In fact, it is simply impossible for authors to add conflicting bits of information to intentionally confuse the audience and provoke more effort into uncovering the mysteries lying within the text, because, as we already established, there is always a singular, clearly defined explanation for every piece of information in a story. Man, wow... /tv/ would be a much better board if we had more literary geniuses like you. Golly, I bet you've read more than three books this year, too! Damn, I'm sorry, but I just cannot hide how impressed I am, and I hope you don't feel too embarrassed from my flattery.

>>221000676
>Nick
Ian*

>>221000741
This anon is a tranny.

>>221000741
I'm not too comfortable with you giving me a (You) then talking about how much you imagine yourself as a girl, but maybe we can work something out bb

From a business standpoint, this was a smart move.
Knowing that women are the biggest consumers and producing a movie that shows that a man is evil gives them more chances to sell tickets.
Me however, I am not giving them money to be lectured about how evil I am just because I have the y chromosome.

>>220995157
The amount of redditors and fags calling Bear evil in the movie is soi levels that are off the charts. The movie clearly established that the only way for the wish to be undone is either one of you dies or someone else counters your wish, which Bear did attempt to do after talking to the real Nikki when he begs both the shopkeeper and Ian to reverse it. I know the writer specified that the movie was a feminist message of "consent", but the plot itself spectacularly misses this target.

Bear did what most rational people would do, which is be suspicious that the wish was real, but still highly skeptical of real magic. It's not until he talks to the hotline number that he confirms it's real, and by then the world around him is already being torn apart. It's even implied that he was finally reciprocating the affections of his happa coworker and had an exit plan, which him also telling Ian he can have Nikki. The dialog on this movie in comment sections everywhere is AIDS

>>221000921
No one is "evil" in the movie, but Bear is a bad dude because he puts pussy on a pedestal. If he just wants to bust a nut, he has two hands. If he needs to bust in a pussy, Sarah is right there. He feels entitled to Nikki's pussy because he's been orbiting her for years, and the fact that you defend Bear, who is portrayed by a literal fucking faggot, makes me think you are also the orbiting simp type and will immediately waste a One Wish Willow to mind-control your oneitis instead of just making it so you can make any woman want to suck your dick by just winking at them.

>>220995157
OP was not a faggot today. The central conflict of the movie hinges on her not liking him. It’s fine to have it be filmed ambiguously so that the reveal of possession halfway through the movie hits harder but it ultimately can’t be ambiguous from the writer’s perspective unless she’s a hack.

>>221000791
>>221000895
if you trannypost as a psyop to confuse trannies is it trannyposting or is it posttrannyposting?

>>220996031
Movie was made with this idea
>the worst thing can happen to a woman is losing autonomy
The movie is selling because women are getting this idea instead
>the worst nightmare a woman can have is to have to settle without chad

Thats the horror story. And its truly a relevant thing to society since most 30yo women are alpha widows. But it wasnt what the director intended.

in the car ride before he makes the wish she is definitely giving signals that she is tired of waiting for him to make a move on her and is ready to move on. there is some ambiguity in her performance but not much.

you niggas are autistic af if you didnt notice that

>>220995157
Women like you one day then the wind blows a different direction and they get the ick. They are fickle emotional creatures whose beliefs and values have no foundation. It’s like they wear a mask at all times but even they couldn’t tell you what’s underneath it. They go mask off and just reveal a new mask.
Trying to know what they “really think” or “really feel” is a fruitless endeavor.

>>221001019
>the fact that you defend Bear
Let's not get ahead of ourselves now. I said the actions Bear took to deal with the situation were rational. Bear is a betafag, no denying that. The whole point of the movie is that there wouldn't have been a movie if he had the balls to confess his feelings or just gave her the willow branch which was her gift to begin with. But you missed the point hard by not realizing the criticisms over Bear online are for his le EVIL actions after the wish was already made. Redditors don't give a fuck about him being a massive pussy, since they act like him in real life. They're just too stupid to realize that YOU, the audience member, knows that the wish was real, and not the beta fag main character.

>>220996557
Quite to the contrary, you type as though you care a great deal in fact.

>>221001101
/thread
The entire relationship would have been shit because she already got her back blown out by his best buddy for years anyway

>>221001158
I have no reason to disagree with you, but if women are really as bad as you describe them to be, then the man who is attracted to them is even worse.
And in this case, the main character of the movie becomes evil by association with evil (a woman).

>>220995157
The first time we get a peek into her feelings toward Bear were when she asked him if he liked her and he lied by saying he thought of them as good friends which she reacted with noticeable dejection you couldn't detect since you are an autismo who can't read facial expression. Even during the car ride she mentions she feels she can only talk to him about certain things like love and her aspirations indicating she wanted more than friendship.

During the entire movie they were trying to screw with you about her true feelings or was it truly a wish or rather a demonic possession. Some of the moments were just cringe and bizarre to screw with the audience. There is nothing to really get except Nikki's original wish without a one wish willow of wanting to be loved so she could write her genuine love story was fulfilled. Her wish is really the catalyst for the entire film and not Bear's.

>>220996031
Retard. The incel/blackpill take being posted is that if a Chad-only woman is forced to date her looksmatch from magic, she will go literally insane, feed you your dead cat, piss and vomit all over the floor, and beg you to kill her during her flashes of lucidity. I don't agree that this was the point of the movie, but incels aren't talking about whatever the fuck you made up in your head.

>>221001350
Autists also don't realize that both Sarah and Ian were jelly, with the movie explicitly mentioning that Sarah had a crush on Bear and Ian had a past relationship with Nikki

>>221001098
>The movie is selling because women are getting this idea instead
>the worst nightmare a woman can have is to have to settle without chad
There's also a lot of jeetas and asians that watched it because they're into the nerdy white shy fag trope.

>>221001454
Ian was pretending to support Bear in his pursuit of Nikki but was always telling him he had time and preventing him from being alone with her so Ian could keep milking the cow for free behind the scenes.

>>221001209
I'm going to be honest with you, anon. I wrote that whole post before reading your second paragraph.
100% of my awareness of Obsession discourse comes from /tv/. I thought the film was a 6 or 7 but my friend said it instantly became his favorite movie and I've been trying to immerse myself in analysis of the film to comprehend how anyone can like the flick that much.
Through osmosis, I understand that normalfags have been calling Bear evil for raping Nikki and other things after the wish, as you say. I'm the same guy who posted above saying Bear was already shown to be fucked up for presumably not burying his cat, by which I mean I come from a position that Bear was clearly fucked up well before the wish, and possibly only someone who is so fucked up could even make a wish to erase someone else's autonomy. So I apologize for speed-reading your earlier post lel

I may be autistic, and I think many of you are also autistic, but we're autistic in different ways. Everyone has been citing Nikki saying she can only talk about certain things with Bear as evidence toward the possibility that she likes Bear, but my interpretation is that she's friendzoning him with that statement. She can only talk to Bear about her writing or whatever, but she doesn't need to talk about such things when riding Ian's pole, if we believe she has indeed been fucking him. I only have anecdotal support, but I have had a few girls try to talk to me about things that don't interest me, as if they need an outlet for certain opinions/topics that don't interest their boyfriends, and they mistake my reserved nature for being a beta-male simp, when I'm actually just schizoid.
Basically, Bear would be better off if he was schizoid, and all his acquaintances would survive.

>>221001632
The non-sperg perspective is that she was most likely lukewarm to the idea of dating him and fancied him partly but in an obviously non lustful way. That's why she got annoyed by the love rocks he was throwing and put it over the plate for him. Bear is a bitch, so it would've been a doormat relationship that you see everywhere anyway

He's also a confirmed redditor in the movie, so he would've been that guy making "my gf fucked my best friend the first 3 years I knew her.... am I the asshole for being uncomfortable over this?" posts you see online.

>>221001632
I thought the big twist was that she already liked him and that he made it worse by wishing instead of being honest.

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>>220995157
Women can’t understand art

>>221001101
>tired of waiting
bitch wasn't waiting at all, she was getting all the dick she could in the meantime

>woman comes onto you
>ACTUALLY, IT WAS RAPE

>>220995157
>because she doesn't like being posessed to be in love with him
no I'm pretty sure it's because the demon possessing her is a murdering psychopath

>>221001101
She had just dumped her FWB and was quitting her dead end job. She was getting her life together.

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I thought the movie was ambiguous enough about her feelings toward him that if he just asked her out she probably would have given him a chance with a date, or at worst friendzoned him. Actually using your one wish on some girl you like is retarded when you're that young.

>>220995157
that main guy was so fuckin annoying ,lil bitch was sounding like walt jr whole time "NOOOAWWRRR NOWAAR I CAN'T CONFESSS REE" ,he didn't deserve her pussy and deserved to be cucked by that fattie guy ,love how she turned out to be whore instead of this cute lil perception of her you had in your mind when she first appeared on screen

>>221002710
>love how she turned out to be whore instead of this cute lil perception of her you had in your mind when she first appeared on screen
it makes him wishing for her to love him all the more embarrassing. He could have been the one fucking her if he made a move first

>>220996175
Ian did nothing wrong.

>>220996175
Nikky likes it when Ian calls her that in bed, and doesn't like it when Bear mumbles it while spilling his spaghetti.

Real Nikki not waking up and having a final dialog with Bear while he was dying was wasted potential. It could've made the ending more satisfying by clarifying if she ever liked him.

>>221002738
fuck this movie man was bored out of my wits only saving grace was the main lead hottie the male actors were annoying reatrds ,acting is laughingly bad .

>>221002803
>you fuckass rapist ,what you did ,what you did ? die in my arms you twisted fuck dieeeee

>>220996027
he's just a fuckin coward dumb loser man that explains everything

>>220995157
Oh my god it’s like heckin’ American Psycho!

>>221000545
you get it man

>>221002741
He literally setup the entire disaster. A quick "yeah bro I already fucked her" would've ended the whole thing. Not sure what his game was the whole movie

Bear is a whiny bitch. Nikki is a basic bitch slut. It was never going to work out in the long term.

>>221002902
Do you tell all your incel friends every time you fuck the girl they're obsessed with?

>>221002780
>you like it freaky nikky ,spits in her mouth
ehmmmm IANNN I love it
>hellrro freaky 'ikky (in waltr jr voice)
fuck you bear ,I don't like it one bit ,why'd you say it ?

>>221002876
>TRY GETTING A RESERVATION AT LUTHER NOW, YOU FUCKING STUPID HOMEWRECKER

Bear never confessed so we don't actually know if she liked him or not.
She only got annoyed because he never comes out and asks it when she leaves his car.
She did like him but Bear is a coward. He is a pussy. He killed his cat. Never takes never responsibility.

>>221002941
yes that's how it works. You can get away with calling a woman you're fucking all sorts of degrading names. You can't if you're just her dorky, shoulder-to-cry-on friend.

>>221002902
imagine the keks he must be getting in his head while his retarded friend practices his lover boy speech for a hoe you were rawdogging last night and her spit and pussy liquids still wet on your penis

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>>220998655
>sets her up as a princess
>she was getting plapped by the annoying fat retard the whole time
I can see how this panders uniquely to the female audience. Her secret situationship removed the self-insertion fantasy from literally 100% of the male audience, while women of course would say "omg who cares what her bodycount is virgin"

i havent seen either but how does obession and backrooms stack up against late night with the devil, which i have seen

>>221002993
Like we are supposed to hate Ian for not letting a beta male try and mate with someone from his harem?

>>221003010
I hated that loser from first scene why would I self insert as him lol nikki or not simple as that

>>221002993
>>221003047
This would've been a chad move, if he didn't get all jelly that he lost his harem fucktoy

>>221003054
I meant the sappy romantic fags that secretly would wish for their crush to love them. Even they must've had their immersion broken by the fact she was a coomdumpster

why did they do my asian qt bbw waifu like that. cmon

>>220995157
Someone explain Bear meme

Nikki knew Bear liked her. She was fucking his friend anyway. What does that tell you? He was nothing more than the sensitive pussy she could talk to after slurping up the cum of the insensitive chad.

>>221003076
Eh I've been in a lot of FWB situations and here's how they always go.

>You agree to be FWB
>someone (usually the woman) sooner or later catches feelings
>"so what are we"
>you start dating or it falls apart

In the movie Ian doesn't commit, so it falls apart. What I'm not sure about is if Ian actually had feelings for her but was unable to own up to it, so he spends the rest of the movie trying to sabotage the relationship or if he just wanted his easy pussy back

>>221003115
the Bear meme is that women would trust being alone in a room with a bear rather than a man because at least the bear wouldn't try to rape them. The main character's nickname being Bear is a play on that. She didn't trust him.

>>221003131
maybe she would have let him get the whiff of her pussy that night if he confessed and promoted him from non watchin cuck to cum eating cuck

>>221000545
>There were dudes to my left and right there were at least half a dozen moments in the film where they both audibly groaned at Bear and/or called him a piece of shit retard
lmfao the performance never ends with zoomers

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>>221003103
>Bear is spending time with Sarah alone at work
>Bear is going to a "boys night out" where Sarah just happens to be there
>The boy sitting next to Sarah (that she was probably discussing this plan with) decides to choose a block and swap seats with Bear, so now Sarah is to Bear's left
>Sarah uses her slutty homewrecker mindpowers to make Bear choose a block that forces him kiss her
I get that Evil-Nikki is evil, but she really had a lot of patience for Sarah's shenanigans. I really thought this scene would be it.

>>221003163
that's kind of the point, he never even tried but instead resorted to demonic magic which of course backfired

Haven't seen this movie but did they really name the main character Bear lol
Are they trying to harness the women choosing the bear meme

>>221003206
>Are they trying to harness the women choosing the bear meme
yes, it's really obvious

>>221003206
Lol I haven't seen it either but I'm going to make another thread

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>>221000545
>because he doesn't display a single redeeming quality throughout the entire film
When I heard that the mind-control wish was just an accident, I figured they'd make him more redeemable
But no,
>he wants the wish altered, not revoked
>Doesn't try to work with real nikki after he speaks with her
>Can't even commit suicide right, twice
Kind of a disappointing character

>>221003206
>>221003216
he was asked and said no, just a weird name to be more memorable. Everyone's acting like the movies woke when the film is clearly sympathetic with bear. It's not some justin long in barbarian reddit trope subversion+muh sexism where erm hes actually the heckin bad guy sweatie

>lead actress explained in an interview that she wasn't actually possessed, just under the influence of the wish
>but then we get the scene where real Nikki begs Bear to kill her, while hushing him so he doesn't wake "her" up
>also the customer support call where the apparently not demon puts Bear on the phone with her tormented soul
>and the obvious allusion to the exorcist with the floor piss + vomit on his face scene, walking backwards, the ominous grins, etc...
I don't think this was all as thought out and deep as the online discussions are making it out to be. You can tell they couldn't figure out if they wanted this to be a possession movie or what they wanted the direction to the nature of the spell she was under to be while it was filmed. They kept bouncing back and forth in the film between it being two separate beings and it being spellbound Nikki trying to regain control.

The ending just adds to the confusion when "possessed" Nikki (the same one that tortures and mocks Bear throughout the film the way a demon would) makes a wish for Bear to love her as much as she loves him, reverting back to it being the version of her that's just under a spell. But how would this version of her know what the wish stick does if she weren't some entity or demon in on the whole thing? It also would make more sense if it were a demon that was aware bear was about to vomit up the pills, and made the spell to make sure he dies. So many plot holes

>>221003246
It's perfect how it is. Any man or woman would ride it out for a while at the very least

>>221003269
it makes sense for the demonic Nikki to want a demonic Bear to be obsessed with each other. The reason why demonic Nikki does all that horrible shit is because it doesn't think Bear is being obsessed enough

>>221003256
>when the film is clearly sympathetic with bear
All the soi analysts are certain Bear is the epitome of evil because he heckin raped her. Please ignore Nikki manipulating bear and reassuring him on her odd behaviour with lies about her dad getting sick and taking drugs.

Sarah's hotter anyway

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>>221003370
She gained like 10lbs in just the face for this role. That's deication.

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>>220996027
>Anon A:Wae he did not acted they way is "supposed" to be
>Anon B:Ackshually because is a subtle demonstration of (more sperging)
Zoomer and late Millenial cinema is making a molehill out of nothing gosh
>But she mutilated herself!
And people were making tiktoks at charlie kirk dying live irl so?
>But why he did not buy more magic!
The same reason why not everyone use the wellfare funds irl. Skill issue

>>221003269
I straight up said a better twist is if Bear thought Nikki was demonic when in reality she's just a clingy psycho bitch and it was the one unfortunate enough to bring that side out. But then that wouldn't paint the cunts who act like this in a good light so le evil spooky reversal happens

>>221003150
he just wanted her whore back ,he was missing something on his dick

>>221003478
It be like that, I've dated bitches that I should of just kept as fuck buddies cause I didn't want my tap of pussy to close off. That's why it's important to talk to mutiple women so shit like that doesn't happen.

>>221002923
Sounds like me and my first crush
Very common trope, I'd imagine

>>221003532
same with me lol
shit sucked to find out the hard way it wasn't meant to be

>>221003420
Man I'm slow. I just realized Nikki inked herself in Sarah's exact tattoos and was smoking to mimic her in the end.

>>221003660
Nikki also wore her dress, which is why the corpse was nude.

>>221003325
>All the soi analysts are certain Bear is the epitome of evil because he heckin raped her
This is why i prefer (for once) the actress and the director opinion

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If this disgusting mulatto beanerbitch were in the south American human zoo where she belonged this would be her fate, but noooooo just because she has a white foid mudshark for a mother we are all forced to endure her slimey anaemic face on screen

>>221003722
Let's say this was Start Gate SG1
And a parasite (gould) took her body over.
The body is no longer hers, its the goulds.

So the body is now the demon's.
The demon wanted to fuck bear.
There was no rape.

>>221003741
Nikki also was a slut and she at least liked bear confirmed by the actress.

>>220995157
I think she's a fucking slut and would have casually fucked Bear with no feelings involved just like she did with his friend, which is why she asks if he likes her. The problem is he wanted love which broke her brain because fucking dirty sluts can't experience love.

>>220995561
it's a good gimmick though, a great way to portray social akwardness or paranoia of the MC PoV.

>>221003741
The Demon used someone else body while that someone's soul has not left this world.
Is rape because the demon is such a weak ass faggot to materialize a body for its own lol.

>>221003766
Honestly, I think the actress said that as positive PR spin, because no one wanted to depict rape, because its bad for the film. I don't think that was their intention or even considered it that way.

But if we look at it from how the movie is. The moment she turned back to bear and asked him if he liked her.

I have had moments like that in real life. It is a women testing you to see if you have the balls to ask them out. Usually this means they might consider giving you a shot. Meaning yeah, she might have liked him a little, but not if he didn't man up.

So the way the movie ended up turning out for her, I don't think she liked him anymore. But at the start, it was a "maybe, lets see where this goes, but you have to ask me out"

I get the rape debate people are having. Technically it looks like rape. But bear never intended for that to be the case. He thought it was consensual. A woman being possed by a demon aint real.

but if a demon posession was real, and this really happened in real life often. No one would see it as rape. they would say "they were possed! they were tricked! both were victims!"

>this whole thread
>Zoomer moids, "women this", "women that",
This is the true essence of Obsession, for one second moids should stop obsessing about women and get on with their lives, also fuck a whore if it's so unbearable

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>>221003837
here, take this

use it well soldier

>>221003131
Women internalize the idea that "if he REALLY likes me he would just ask me out" early on. A girl like Nikki genuinely doesn't see anything wrong with doing that, she'll just assume her beta orbiter doesn't really like her the same way someone like Ian does even though he doesn't give a fuck about her. But he

>>221003851
>Stop obsessing about being "loved" by some worthless beaner foid, shoot and scoot
Moral of Obsession, mic drop

>>221003891
There are a few reason women are like this.

1. "Am I not worth asking out first?"
2. "I can't tell my foidian friends I asked him out first.
3. "only loser women ask out men"
4. "I am a princess"
5. "it turns me off, because he can't even man up to ask me out, what else will he be a boy about??

>>221003891
I been asked out by women 4 times in my life.
3 of them were ugly. One of those fat women was ugly AF.
When I rejected all 3, they spazzed the fuck out. Acted all weird.

I honestly rather not have women ask me out. They do not handle rejection well at all man. I hate it. They just think they can over react because they are women. it's annoying.

The 4th one that was okay looking. The way she asked me was "you should asked me out to drinks and take me to dinner"

that shit made me mad. at least the fat bitches were brave enough to ask me out fully.

>>221003443
That would've actually been a pretty good plot twist in hindsight. No magic or demons or anything, just a coincidence that Nikki snaps and starts to aggressively pursue bear. But yeah that would be like super misogynistic or something

>>220995843
I am baffled why they wrote it like the wish willow is just a known thing online that actually works, it just ruins an otherwise decent story, and doesnt do anything to improve the movie. Such a company existing would lead to a vastly different world and society, it would be unrecognizable after a few dozen crazy wishes, at the very least currency would become worthless because lots of people would have basically printed an infinite amount of money.

>>220996027
>huuur it doesnt matter you autist its just a gimmick
They could have just wrote it so that he gets a wish granting thing somewhere not accessible/known to everyone instead and not introduce a gaping plot hole for no reason. Making it a fucking company with customer support that cheaply sells reality breaking items to anyone who wants it is ridiculous and adds nothing of value

the wish willow being a common thing is dumb, it would have made more sense if it randomly, magically appeared in his car after he bought the necklace for Nikki. Having the cashier lady just go "oh yeah people complain about this item because reasons" was lazy exposition. Just don't explain the thing at all.

>>220995843
It's ackchyually implied that every wish is a monkey paw from the shopkeeper who sold it in the beginning. Bear dies and you could infer Ian dies from his wish as well. Nikki made a wish and her life is either destroyed with life in prison and permanent psychological damage or she an heros off screen, so 100% of people you see make a wish get rekt.

>>221004292
I wished they heavily implied the store workers were demons in on the plot to get the people that uses the wishes to kill themselves.

>>221004346
that would have worked, too

I just realized, those tacky magic stores probably had an explosion of customers after this film. Lots of lonely dudes wouldn't mind the monkey paw consequence if it theoretically worked kek

>>220995157
Nikki was always an insane hoe. That's why she is 'Freaky Nikki'. Protag was autistic and didn't wash his hair, spending 90% of his time pining over the idea of a crush.
Nikki was a real chick who was a nutcase and fucked his friend casually. She told Sarah 'I see him as a brother' to make her feel safe.
Anyone who has been around a crazy chick knows that on any given night they can stop being your friend and start fucking you.
Bear also knew this in a sense, he wasn't going to fuck his crush because then it became real.
The wish was a simulacrum to his ideal construct of Nikki. Just like with ChatGPT the construct begins to fall apart.

It isn't about if she liked him or not because he never actually liked her, he liked the idea of her. He could have hooked up with her easily. The funniest part is when she cut his hair, his hair was awful so that in my mind was Nikki subconsciously being like 'I fucking hate his hair' and the daemon following it. Eventually there were too many rules for the daemon to follow and be Nikki at the same time and it broke like chatgpt does.

>>221004601
This she was crazy from the jump, it was never a demon it was the protagonist had to spend a lot more time around her

>>221003782
Nah they are like that until they have a baby, then they love the baby and settle down. Women are like mentally wired wrong until the have a baby. Sometimes having a baby also breaks their brains in a different way.

>>221004624
No Nikki original ended up becoming a Daemon, in computing terms. She was a background task, where as the new Nikki was uploaded but basically fell to AI hallucinations because her wish and the main characters directives conflicted and broke her brain.

The movie had some pretty poor writing but it was well directed and Nikki was good in it.

>>221003804
>Honestly, I think the actress said that as positive PR spin, because no one wanted to depict rape, because its bad for the film.
Why? She could just say what every foid on twitter have been parroting about how her body autonomy has been taken away and how women suffer etc etc blah blah no one would bat an eye, she would have been applauded.

>>221002603
That poster is correct though

>>221002641
lol women don’t get their life together, that’s what men do, for women it’s either together or it ain’t,

>>221003420
hot

>>221003804
>a woman asking if you like her is a "test"

it's literally a simple question.

You people understand the demon shit is fanfictiin right?

>>220995843
>>221004255
The reddit post had like 6 comments on it saying with most people wondering if it was real, some saying it was but just a collectors item and another saying it works.

The clerks attitude about is strange though, I assume he can't just restock them and it seems almost magically impossible for anyone to believe they work so they just buy them on a whim and wish for whatever they want in the moment

>>221005355
>girl was implied to like him
>demon was obsessed with him
It's rape only if you're a faggot or a fat foid

>>221006160
heh

>>220998247
>do people really watch Television & Film then come here to discuss them? like actually?
yes. you and your cancerous ilk should fuck off to /pol/

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>>221005355
>Demonize aggressive, "toxic" men as rapists
>Demonize friendly, civil & nice men as rapists too

It's starting to sound more like you just want to demonize men in general and want to treat every man like a rapist.

>>221006918
The pertinent question is why do moids keep insisting on interacting with foids after 60 years of gender war, unless they are 6'5 Chad financebro drug dealer mobster PhDs

>>221006918
>want to treat every man like a rapist.
You finally got it anon

>>220995951
>he starts dating her and things seem fine at first not even 2 days pass and he's already tired of her.

desu that might be the single most realistic aspect of the story.

>>220995157
>director says nikki would have dated him if he asked her out
>director says nikki did like him
>director says scenes were filmed where she didn't and she did like him
>director says scenes merged together for ambiguity
>(You) screech that it's clear the message is opposite the director's words and intent

There's a character named Bear?? Is that an actual name people have?

>>221007278
Bjørn is pretty common where I'm from

>>220995157
I watched like half an hour of this shit, zoomer cowardice is really something else if this is meant to be scary. It's some forgettable netflix film zoomer cringe added

>>221007278
I know many named Björn

>>221007278
it's an Americanized pronunciation of the Irish name Bairre, which is actually pronounced "Barry".

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>>221002584
>these are the people who grow up to be english teachers and demand you write a 5 page essay on what it means when the book said "the curtains were blue"

>>221007278
It's actually short for Barrison, a chiefly British name.

>>221007255
>jews never lie

>>220995843
>>220996027
... this is what happens in this movie? i knew literally nothing about it other than meme faces, and never even saw the trailer or read the wiki page. this shit is real? holy FUCK is this retarded. this is less thought out than pretty much any episode of black mirror.

>>221007255
does it really matter if Nikki would have threw a pity date at Bear if he confessed or not, doesn't really change anything Bear is still a scumbag

>>221008356
the main actress carriers the movie because she portrays what most anons have experienced dating a bpd girl. she yoyos from bubbly to manic to demon possesed in several scenes and the whiplash gives me ptsd memories. it's a highly effective movie, probably singlehandedly deconstructs modern feminism. since they baited millions of girls to see it with the trailer, it will be one of those "you had to experience it" cinema movies, since so many couples are seeing now and the guys are all laughing while the girls get increasingly uncomfortable as it goes on.

>>221000921
You're retarded though
>which Bear did attempt to do after talking to the real Nikki when he begs both the shopkeeper and Ian to reverse it
He specifically tells the guy on the phone he still wants her to love him, he doesn't want to break the wish he wants to "change" it so he still wanted to force Nikki to love him. Which is also why he keeps telling her to be normal, he wants them to stay together just without any of the weirdness. Even while the real Nikki is clearly telling him it's not her and telling him to kill her he actually gets agitated at her and says "Is it really so bad to be with me?" Bear's not a good guy and it is retarded a movie can't have a bad guy exhibiting bad qualities without chuds saying it's feminist propo

>>221001362
that is fucking hilarious this bitch got possessed when forced to date her looksmatch

>>220998247
idk but i read the synopsis of this movie and it literally sounds so retarded and like a waste of time to watch..

I am just gonna re watch movies from 1980s-2000s

>>220996027
I actually think that's it's stroke of brilliance though. I definitely felt that grating friction of eye rolling contrivance of things skipped over or ignored in the moment but by the end it functions as very effective indeterminate dissonant speculative fiction levering the impossibility of the scenario to embody obsession reflecting Bear's mind and character which has invited so much free word-of-mouth marketing and discursive interpretation about his theory of mind and culpability.

I just wonder how much was a careful balancing act of clear intentionality and thesis vs happy accident as the screenplay is far more black and white and they seemed to fluxuate quite a bit while shooting. Keen to see how Barker's future scripts compare.

Plot doesn't make sense at all
She shouldn't be crazy just because he wished for her to fall in love with him
He didn't do anything wrong, if anything he's the tragic victim of women and big pharma

>>221009214
she probably would have been a lot more normal if Bear didn't phrase it like "I wish Nikki loved me more than anything else"

>>221003206
Yeah they're denying it but it's obviously a fucking lie. Everyone knows that's what they're doing.

>>221006918
>Demonize aggressive, "toxic" men as rapists
They're fairly sympathetic towards those men actually.

>>221009214
You were watching propaganda. The one an only intended message was >>221002603

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>>220996814
>Also hilarious you keep saying "Y-you can't get laid! you don't talk to girls", i have a boyfriend, retard.

>I have a boyfriend

That shopkeeper was clearly a demonic manifestation of some sort right?

>>220997388
He'd enjoy it because he's gay.

>>221008461
Holy shit shut up. You faggots keep harping on about why this demonic possessed cunt is just like your bpd shitshow. No retard, the bitch probably showed you very early that she was demented but due to lack of pussy, you stayed and now wanna act like you battled Satan himself.

>>220998247
I watch lots of shit literally just do discuss it with my /tv/bros and because I'm smart enough to do so without paying anything.
I literally saw a thread about this a few days, watched it, came back to the thread to post.

I refuse to watch certain woke re-makes though like LOTR and harry potter, they actually do ruin your love of the original film/show

>>221010609
of the filmmaker, yes.

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>I wish for a billion dollars
Okay here is a billion dollars created out of thin air and dropped right in front of you.
>I wish she loved me
Erm sorry but instead of triggering dopamine chemicals whenever she looks at you, we actually replaced her consciousness with some mentally deficient demon. Also btw, we actually did not even fully replace her, she is locked up in mental jail hell and sometimes she can escape and control her body too and act even crazier lol.

Really?

>>221010951
one is a matter of material and the other is human nature

>>221010951
None of that is true tho. There is no demon.

>>221010951
The billion dollars doesn't make sense either.
It's A BILLION dollars not a million.
It would be falling from the sky in to that room for literal days. It would fill that room and the government wouldn't believe you if you told them where it came from so they'd seize it

>>221011130
Then who was phone?

>hate women before watching movie
>watch it
>still hate women

dunno why you fags are arguing

>>221007255
Thats the problem with Bear: he was too much of a pussy to ask Nikki out. She was practically BEGGING him to ask her out ("Do you like me?"). The rest of the movie is a forced infatuation with Bear that Nikki clearly doesnt want.

>>221011270
why didn't she ask him out?

it really doesn't make sense to call this a "be careful what you wish for story". there is a wish and it does end badly but it doesn't exemplify the meaning of that phrase e.g. like how wishing for more money just comes with more problems and corrosion to relationships without any supernatural bullslhit

>>221011346
Because she wants a man not a pussy. Pretty simple stuff.

>>221011366
He is a zoomer director he doesn't yet know how to properly deliver. Maybe the real wish should have been being the kind of man nikki would love. But instead of showing or hinting at this, we see a clusterfuck of horror aimed at blaming bear for everything.

>>221011378
kek, I am much more valuable and got my life together than a broke bitch that only has her pussy to offer

>it's not a monkeys paw!!!!!!!
Oh really, so i must have missed the part where he wished for a demon to posses the girl he loves.

>>221011558
Sure you are buddy, sure you are.

>>221011558
that post reeks of insecurity

>>221010951
>billion dollars
i think the guy probably just died too quickly for us to see negative consequences. at first i thought it was gonna crush him. case in point >>221011146
seems like this is what would have happened, doesnt mean it doesnt make sense, clearly some sorta monkey paw

>>221011575
and the fact that Bear didn't care enough about her to reverse the wish so she could be normal again, only change it so that he still got what he wanted, shows what an asshole he was

>>221011748
director said its not a monkey paw wish, so its just bad writing that a demon takes over nikki

>>221011904
i wouldnt call it bad writing just because he said that. ignoring death of an author its clearly intended to be some sorta take on the cursed antique shop type shit. its better its not precisely explained.

>>221011904
what exactly did the director say, the tagline is literally "be careful what you wish for" how is that not a monkey paw. also what really fucked up the wish was probably Bear's wording they specifically have him say something like "I wish Nikki loved me more than anyone else" the "than anyone else" part added a fanatical unstable element to the wish. although another component to Freaky Nikki's instability is that the real Nikki doesn't consent to it and she can briefly take back control of her body

>>221012022
>his wish is worded perfectly fine
>gets a demon instead
>doesnt even manage to fully replace real nikki
yeah its bad writing

>>221012055
how is his wish worded perfectly fine, he phrased it in a way that makes it seem like he wants someone fanatically obsessed with him "love me more than anyone else" and what kind of complaint is this
>doesnt even manage to fully replace real nikki
does the magical wish thing have explicit rules real Nikki breaking through adds an interesting element to the film

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>>221012106
>"love me more than anyone else"
this is dumb though because you love your parents/gf/wife more than anyone else in the whole world, you dont act like a pyscho path, I HOPE you dont. you certainly wouldnt feed your parents/wife/gf their dead pet.

>>221012055
bear specifically said "i wish nikki loved me more than anyone else in the entire world" or some shit like that. i dont really care about this wording autism but it doesnt take any suspension of disbelief to imagine the wish took this literally instead of say "i wish nikki loved me". you have a point if thats what he said.

>>221007741
That's why we ignore them

>>221012022
Barker just caveats that the wish isn't inherently punitive as seen from the in movie reddit comments. We witness monkey's paw like outcomes but the monkey's paw story is simply about punitive punishment for intervening in fate which is divorced from reflecting any moral transgression of the desire.

The tagline is actually 'be careful WHO you wish for'
the 'be careful...' aphorism which also isn't inherently punitive. It's more to do with not apprehending the truthful reality when wishcasting - like your dream job actually sucking ass in the day to day reality. Don't think that really applies here either though, that'd be more like Bear being miserable when normal real Nikki doesn't match his idealized infatuation of a gf.