How come Gandalf didn't have any good spells?
>>221001365he was forbidden from directly confronting the baddies with magic
He frequently used prestidigitation to clean the fellowship's pantaloons.
>OH MY GOD IS THAT A FUCKING LIGHTBULB ON A STICK IM GOING INSANEThese movies make little sense
>>221001365its funny how gandalf is a muscle wizard but almost never gets noticed as one because he looks like an old guyhe fucking flash banged and dynamic entryed the great goblin and assassinated himthe movie did a good job with his balrog fight, would have been cool if the 3rd opened up with a flashback to his fight on weathertop or something instead of lame hobbit snoozfest
>>221001365The guy regularly performs complete fucking miracles and brainlets go>yeah but why didn't he cast fireball
Do you think if hobbits were real you would rape a hobbit? They seem pretty rapeable
>>221001459>LIGHTBULBIt was LEDs, at the time they were uncommon which made it special. Gandalf was a techie.
>>221001586https://youtu.be/ljzNr2W9abw
>>221001365I just wish he had an innate talent like the others. Saruman had his voice and Radagast was friend to the animals. I guess Gandalf was unusually wise but so were a lot of people.
>>221001858He was the wanderer, the rover. His 'special power' was his connection to Middle-Earth and its people. He was well traveled and well informed, and known at least by some name pretty much everywhere. The Grey Pilgrim, anon.
>>221001594https://youtu.be/UqWJ6uf8AGE
Wasn't Galdalf an actual coward angel that didn't want to accept the mission God gave him but ultimately had no other choice?
>>221001594Based LED appreciator
>>221001906>a wizard is never late or early, he is always on time>then why didnt you meet us?>uh...
>>221001365Bad DM
>>221001365he seemed to be able to shoot lightning but he only used it that one time for some reason
>It takes two to make a thing go right
>>221001365I like to think Gandalf doesn't know any magic, just a dude with an almanac and all the simpletons he's surrounded by are astounded by his knowledge. His army attacks at sunrise and his enemies think he is casting solar flare.
>>221001550we are talking about a World with magic retard, i expect more from one "greatest wizard in the world" than a shitty light and a force field
>>221001365because peter jackson hates magic for some reason
>>221001998He can sleep with his eyes open. Checkmate Peter Jackson
pretty sure he was disallowed to use magic to directly affect the world because gandolf is one of those higher tier gods
He kept forgetting to prepare them before a long rest. Many such cases.
1. Flashes of lightning on hill fights off the nine 2. Lights a fire in snowstorm w green flame3. Grows in size and throws a burning brand into the sky that then explodes and ignites all tree around them during warg fightTo name a few. Movie really didnt have him do much
>>221001365I remember thinking the same. This nigga called himself a wizard and all he did was make a bunch of fireworks and light rays
>>221004981>This nigga called himself a wizard He was >3000 years old and had never had sex
>>221001365name another historical wizard with better feats, and no jesus doesn't count his dad's a server admin
>>221001998>>221004981You don't understand magicStick to World of Warcraft stupid goyslave
>>221001998Gandalf and his peers are only wizards in the sense that the mortals see them as wizards, and they are happy to go along with that and play into it.They are closer to being angelic beings if anything
He's only level 5
he did, he just focused on useful one for himself like being able to manipulate his prostate and how to summon femboy succubi's. not really his own fault he didnt know the end of the world was going to be in his own time
>>221005204people like this should be skinned alive and publically executed to set an example
>>221001998He's a wizard in the style of Merlin, not Kael'thas or whatever gay shit you're thinking of. He's not spamming chain lightning constantly, he's subtle.
>>221001429but magic flashlight is allowed? is there a special clause somewhere? what is the Maiar tax policy?
>>221005362dude got paid to write a shitpost, whats the big deal? hilariously, he's still catching people with it to this day, if your post indicates anything.
>>221005425>my article convinced you I need to be killed, making me the victor
>>221001365>Single-handedly forces three fell beast riding nazgul to retreat>didn't have any good spellsAre you off your nut anon?
>>221001365From the perspective of the filmmakers they'd want a disparity between good and bad. Evil should appear to have the advantage. Create tension and emphasize the dire situation the mortals face. Anything you do to undermine that can seem cool for a minute, but quickly becomes" well if he was able to incinerate the goblins in Fellowship then why didn't he do it at Helm's Deep?" Using powers like this creates big problems, like why did Aragorn release the undead army when he could have asked them to do a quick sweep of Mordor before they go? In my opinion the filmmakers shouldn't have presented the army of the dead that way.
>>221005439yeah, basically
>>221001365He was a hybrid that sunk all his stats in STR and DEX, and all his skill points in melee.
>>221001550Because in the same story Galadriel nukes Sauron's second most powerful stronghold and the armies inside of it with a flood that she conjures on her own. That's really why.
>>221001998>a World with magicTHERE IS NO MAGIC IN TOLKIEN'S WORLDONLY GOD/ERU HAS THE POWER TO CREATEIF YOU OBEY GOD HE LETS HIS CREATION BE IN TUNE WITH YOU AND THAT'S WHAT LOOKS LIKE MAGIC TO RETARDS LIKE OP
>>221005588SHE DOESN'T CONJURE SHIT IDIOT, GOD'S NATURE ANSWERS HER CALL BECAUSE SHE HAS EARNED REDEMPTION BY REJECTING THE TEMPTATION OF THE RINGMAGIC IS LITERALLY ERU BEING WILLING TO LISTEN
>>221005658So what level of divine caster is Galadriel?
>>221005704"Her ancestors did not doom their descendants forever by committing the Original Sin" levelThe only difference between elves and men in Tolkien is this, Elf Adam and Elf Eve were immediately taken to Valinor and only some of their kids decided to sin against God with the KinslayingHuman Adam and Human Eve instead immediately started worshipping Satan and doomed all their kids forever, turning Arda hostile to them and cutting them off the God hotline they had beforeread the Bible
>>221001998Bro one v ones a fucking balrog to level up and cuts the rest of the party off from looting all the sick legendaries so he can keep them for himself and you're over here calling him a noob player when clearly he's run this campaign a hundred fucking times before this run
>>221005748>Elf Adam and Elf Eve were immediately taken to ValinorAnd why didn't the Angels/Valar take Human Adam and Human Eve to Valinor too? Why were they left alone with Satan?
>>221005069So you're saying he won't fuck the hobbit girl in Rings of Power?
>>221001916yes
>>221005897please don't talk about that shit show, thank you
>>221005836>And why didn't the Angels/Valar take Human Adam and Human Eve to Valinor too? Why were they left alone with Satan?Humans have a role to play with their free will in singing the next world together with the valar in arda healed post apocalypse. Elves are tied to arda and predestined by the song, humans sing their own path and ultimately defeat morgoth
>>221001998He literally came back from the fucking dead. Only Jesus had done this by this point.
>>221006017Tolkien's world is set in our distant past, Jesus has not been born yet at the time of the War of the Ring
>>221005409Yes. Gandalf's magic is to inspire courage and rally people together. He can shine line to drive away darkness. In contrast, the Nazgul's magic inspires utter terror and sheer cowardice driving brave men to shit themselves and flee. Gandalf is allowed to help counter that and guide them in fighting, but the men still have to do the majority of the work.
>>221005958Christianity is such a cope, holy shit.
>>221006072>HAVE YOU MASTURBATED TO KALI TODAY SAAAAR!?
>>221001594Anons mock it, but for all of human history the ability to instantaneously create light was impossible and would be extremely valuable. Even more so if it immediately drove away attacking predators. A flashlight would be actual magic to anyone just a few hundred years ago.
It was all practical magic, rooted in the sciences
>>221001365Bruh. You DON'T want him to. The Valar and Maia literally destroyed entire continents with their magic in the previous Age.
>>221006136Mahakali is such a good series.
he was an archangel and they're useless too
>>221006163Are you talking about Numenor? That was Eru, not the Valar. Of course the god based on the old testament jew god is OK with being a shit deadbeat father and drowning children.
Was there any human who was genuinely happy under Sauron's rule in your opinion? Like the Easterling/Haradrim nobility and royalty who had slaves/servants to toil for them, would a Haradrim prince have sincerely positive feelings about Sauron?
>>221006270Galadriel wanted to have his babies
>>221006212Another retard who never read the book and glanced at some wiki article here to tell you how it is. And as usual a pagan larping jeet faggot spouts off bullshit seething about Christ. You're just layers of dumbass opinions.
>>221006307Galadriel is an elf, not human
>>221006309The previous Age to the War of the Ring is the Second Age and the only continent-changing event was the Sinking of Numenor, retard. The War of Wrath happened earlier.
>>221006270this guy loved working for Sauron
>>221006482Honeslty wish we had seen more of these guys and the Easterlings soldiers with their badass armors instead of getting 99% orcs and their menus. The Easterlings were singing as tthey marched through the Black Gate.
>>221006482>>221006726these guys were all i could picture in my head when brando sando had the sharans finally drop in in the last wheel of time book.
>>221001858>I just wish he had an innate talent like the others.Gandalf's talent was the ability to inspire hope in his companions, raising their morale and self-confidence. He buffs the board and makes the party stronger. >y-yeah but he never casts f-fireball
>>221006401How does that change anything in the context of this? Are you fucking retarded?
>zoltrAACK
>>221007161It's interesting that say in a book, you can convey this easily with lots of description of Gandalf's abilities, but in a visual medium like a movie, you can't. So while Jackson did so much to demonstrate what Gandalf is doing, he'd have to go over the top and bash you over the head with it every minute to get through to the low iqs of the audience. They'll still complain they don't understand how Gandalf is a wizard with no spells though.
>>221006401Did you forget when they turned the flat earth into a sphere in the second age
>>221005439You're seething, so yeah.
>>221007588NTA but the sinking of Numenor was the same event that turned the flat earth into a sphere. The Numenoreans tried to attack Valinor where the gods live. So the punishment was to sink their island and cut off future access to Valinor for men by making the world a sphere
>>221005153>Hurr durr it's metaphysical you see the flashlight on stick is actually a metaphor for Gandalf being raped you see... It's rape magic not your typical goy fantasy bullshit
>>221005362>they hated Bill because he told them the truth
>>221005658which scene in the films explains this?
>>221008264>>221008341uh oh meltie
>>221008363The attack on Dol Guldur is not in the films.
>>221008367uh oh retard
>>221008383not canon then, go to /lit/ if you want to talk about the books
>>221006068yeah, the books make a really big deal about the nazgul screech and what it does to people. its not "just an awful sound like nails on a chalkboard", its literally imbued with magic. its been way too long since i read them, but i dont remember if they exude an aura of dread as well, or if its isolated to just the shriek.
>>221008442This whole thread is about the books, silly anon.
>>221008458>OP is a screenshot of the filmscheckmate
>>221008442Every scene in the films is directly due to the books. Most scenes are nonsensical without book explanations and motivations. Newcomers to LOTR will watch the movie and be left confused. They'll turn to the book to find answers as they should. So don't act like it's some separate thing.
So these soldiers were women, right?
>>221008452Their presence also exudes dread, yes. The feeling of dread people experience from them is greater when 1) they're together as a group of nine and 2) they're closer to Sauron
>>221005407Kael'thas would've put on a good show
>>221008546>the eye on the beltNever noticed that. Extremely cool detail.
>>221008513ah yes, let me just read a trilogy of books just so I can go watch a movie, fucking dumpass
>>221008513>i-it makes sense in the book!The Harry Potter defense. Silence of the Lambs is based on a book but I don't need to read that to know what's going on
>>221001365Because previous experience proved that direct divine intervention was not well received. The Istari were sent forth to deal with the threat of Sauron, which is a remnant from the first war, but they are essentially the same, they are all maia. Eru figured that if his envoys flexed too hard mortals wouldn´t be able to trust them. They would just feel coerced. So he capped their powers and disguised them as old men. Their role is to guide mortals into solving the threat of Sauron themselves. You know, convince Theoden to answer the call, convince Aragorn to be king, convince the soldiers at Minas Tirith to not desert their posts... that sort of thing.
>>221008687why didn't he convince Denethor to stop being evil then?
>>221008722Human free will and shit
>>221008722He tried. The movie's depiction is skewed and makes Stewart look retarded. But in the book, Denethor has been doing the equivalent of doomwatching Fox News all day every day by looking into the palantir with Sauron showing him all sorts of bad news. In the latest, Sauron showed Denethor a huge fleet of reinforcements sailing up the river to take Minas Tirith, which made Denethor fall into despair. Neither of them knew it was actually Aragorn coming with good reinforcements.
>>221008773>just turn you're brain off bro
>>221008546What does the writing on her helmet say in anon's opinion? Is it something like "Praise be to Sauron, the Inexorable, the Irresistible" (to paraphrase the Calormen with Tash) or something else?
>>221008687I see, so it's like a Jedi mind trick? he also uses the Force on Saruman when they fight so is that where Tolkein got the idea from?
>>221001586100 percent. Without a doubt. Women and those little twins like marry and pipin.
>>221005407Kael would have wrecked Sauroman on Helm's deep
>>221008844>Made in Rhûn. Hand wash only.
>>221008773>why did Gimli not know about Moria when it's not a Dwarven name and means Black Pit? Why were the Dwarves even at Rivendell when they hate Elves?>Why would anyone want Sauron's rings when they just turn you into a shitty wraith that is easily defeated by a guy with a torch or an elf with a river? >Where are the other three wizards? One wizard is powerful enough to take on Sauron, but these three are mysteriously missing?>How did Eowyn defeat the Witch King when even Gandalf couldn't?> THERE'S A FUCKING INVINCIBLE GHOST ARMY THAT CAN EASILY DESTROY ALL OF SAURON'S ARMY IN MINUTES?!!!! AND THEY'RE JUST NOW THINKING TO USE IT?!!!
>>221008917all armor is hand wash anon
>>221008844>1v1 me, bro. Gonna pwn you then bang your mom. gl hf.
>two main bad guys>Sauron>Sarumon>two main girls>Eowyn>Arwen
>>221008926>>why did Gimli not know about Moria when it's not a Dwarven name and means Black Pit?It's an insult, people know about insults>Why were the Dwarves even at Rivendell when they hate Elves?only some dwarf clans hate elves due to a dispute millennia ago and some specific clans killing Thingol, other dwarf clans condemned this and stayed friends>>Why would anyone want Sauron's rings when they just turn you into a shitty wraith that is easily defeated by a guy with a torch or an elf with a river? Men are weak and easily tempted>Where are the other three wizards? abandoned their mission>How did Eowyn defeat the Witch King when even Gandalf couldn't?Prophecy that it would not be defeated by a man, hence a woman and a hobbit (Merry) took him down>THERE'S A FUCKING INVINCIBLE GHOST ARMY THAT CAN EASILY DESTROY ALL OF SAURON'S ARMY IN MINUTES?!!!! No it can just strike fear into the hearts of the enemy and besides they are oathbreakers traitors who need to do penance for breaking their oath to Eru first
>>221009021>people know about insultsdo you not have any reading comprehension? Gimli loudly proclaims that Moria is AMAZING place that they will have parties with drinks and foods when it's obviously a dead place filled with evil for centuries. You're a moron.
>>221008966I know I'm getting old when I see zoomer speak and all I feel is disgust.
>>221001365He cast Stormstrike on his pointy stick when stabberizing the Balrog. Obviously Gandalf has spent some time levelling up his Shammy in WoW.
>>221009086Yeah that was retarded of Jackson to make Gimli use Moria and not the proper name, Khazad-Dum.
>>221008929Yeah, that's why they put that on there.
>>221009021>Prophecy that it would not be defeated by a man, hence a woman and a hobbit (Merry) took him downGandalf is specifically very much not a man though, and if the Witch King is relative to Gandalf or at least put him on his ass how could Eowyn possibly fight toe-to-toe with him; even just his scream would shatter her weapon. Although I think the Witch King Gandalf confrontation was a shitty deleted scene or something>No it can just strike fear into the hearts of the enemythey were definitely doing more than just scaring them, they were destroying the army piling over them like a wave of ants. but you could only use them once and only Aragorn + the sword could convince them
>>221008926the other wizards aren't mentioned in the LotR films, only the Hobbit. So a LotR-only viewer would assume it's just Gandalf and Sauronman
>>221009165no anon, you don't get it, it's common knowledgelike we don't advertise that your mom is a ho bc everyone already knows that
>>221009091>thinking that's zoomer speakListen gramps, real men were talking that way over three decades ago. Not saying riz and cap or whatever shit the kids say now
>>221008926>>221009178the ghost army was only redeemable (saar) for 1 battle only. If they weren't in desperate need of them right then, they could of saved them for the final battle with Sauron
>>221009203Gandalf literally tells them there are five wizards in the order and that Saruman is the head of it.
>>221008929>he's so poor he doesn't own an armor-washing machineyikes
>>221009223how is she supposed to get clients then
>>221009225Nah, that's definitely zoomer speak. You are getting old too btw.
>>221009277she does it for free
>>221008926>Why didn't the eagles drop your faggot ass into Mount Doom so we don't ever have to see your retarded midwit posts ever again?
>>221009246No he doesn't. He just says that Sauronman is the "head of my order" which for all we know could be just them two.
>>221001365He was the Starlight of LOTR
>>221009358why didn't Sauron just offer to suck Frodo's dick in exchange for the Ring? Hibbits have to produce a less than a teaspoon of cum, sureley that's a price worth paying to get your ultimate weapon/soul back. Plus Frodo gets his bag-end blown so it's win-win
>>221009412unironically Frodo had Sam there to relieve him, so why would he accept Sauron's offer
>>221009412Sauron didn't know frodo has the ring until it was too late, he got fooled into thinking Pippin had it and subsequently fell for the Gondor ruse
>>221009178gandalf could have solod the witch king, he makes a conscious choice to save faramir instead which ends Théoden's lament of the young dying and old living.>Gandalf chooses to save Faramir over Théoden>Théoden dies in a heroic way and gets to be the king of song he never thought he was worthy enough to be in life >Faramir and Eowyn meet in the hospital > Rohan and Gondor are united by marriage
>>221009178Merry stabbed him with a barrow blade, which destroyed his buffs and made him killable
>>221001365He didn't have enough mana
>>221001365He is limited on what he can do. His (and the other Istari´s) mission is not to defeat Sauron, but to guide and inspire the people of Middle Earth to do so.Sauron is a rebel so he does whatever he wants.
>>221009529Which is supposed to be another evil defeats evil moment, the witch king stuffs evil souls in the dead bodies of the old royalty of Arnor in the grave moundsThey unbury a millennia old grave good specifically forged to slay undead from the war against him when he had an evil kingdom of orcs and ghouls
>>221009579At least Bombadil was honest about being an NPC
>>221009450Sauron could of offered to suck them both then. share the load
He's there to guide, right? He can't just do everything for them. So the whole time he's basically only ever allowed to do just 'enough' to keep things heading in the right direction. Essentially he's got one arm tied behind his back.He's presumably a being of incredible raw power but either because he's been living as a 'mortal' for so long he's more or less forgotten the totality of who and what he actually is or because Eru has directly power capped him temporarily, he can't just wave his staff and obliterate the armies of Sauron. But he can wield a sword, fight with superhuman stamina and power, conjure up flames and lights to fight his enemies, fight telepathic battles against Saruman and 1vs1 a fucking balrog so he's not all that weak either.He could just open the debug menu and turn godmode on but he's not allowed to so he has to play within the parameters Eru has set out for this specific adventure.
>>221009761>He could just open the debug menu and turn godmode onNot really or else Saruman would have done that since he's the same and was more powerful than Gandalf the Gray. They still have plenty of limits put onto them just by being made mortal. Memory problems, old man problems, still need to eat and drink, still have vices like smoking, etc. And he doesn't have perfect encyclopedic knowledge or telepathy. He must read books and go in person to talk to people to guide them or find out the situations. People now take it for granted that everything is wireless and done over long distances by phone.
>>221009945He does have telepathy though, Him, Galadriel, Elrond and Glorfindel chat with telepathy I honestly think most of Gandalf's powers come from distantly remembering the song of creation and his gut feels and instincts arte him leaning into the music to take him wear he needs to go and trusting it. Its why he doesn't plan but his plans always work out.
>>221010287his plans work out because he put his faith in god basically, Eru guides him
>>221009945>Memory problemsI think this was the main excuse, unironically, when Olorin became Gandalf, it was like being reincarnated so he actually forgot a lot of stuff, even his true nature, but this new body also came with a lot of limitations, making him unable to use the full extend of his true powerAlso all of these contrivances were also made so Sauron wouldn't realize that the wizards were actually maia like him IIRC
>>221009945>>221011280The limitations were put on them intentionally by the valar since they wanted them to just guide through wisdom and counsel, not divine powerAnd besides, seeing how Saruman got corrupted so easily, it was the right call to limit them like that
>>221005439The fact that you can't carry through means that yes he won
>>221001453>For 1 hour.
>>221009945>smoking>vice
>>221012047>vice - a habitual and usually trivial defect or shortcoming>smoking weed that slows his mind and damages his throat and lungsYes.
>>221012047>chemically addicted to a substance that destroys your lungs and heart
>>221012255>>221012290>enjoying a plug of 'weed after saving the world from evil, dark lords>destructive addictionYou people need help.
>>221012047Yes. Drugs are Satanic you dumbass and sorry to tell you but smoking is a drug.
>>221006017Jesus was not real kiddo
>>221008926>dwarves just had a visit from one of saurons diplomats (maybe the mouth of sauron) and so they sent some dwarves to elronds to ask what is going on and why something like that is happening>saurons ring would seem to give great power of persuasion/force of will/etc to a WiseTM bearer aka they could just unit everyone in middle earth against sauron in one massive united army. this is why sauron is worried about them having the ring and what hes trying to prevent from happening>two wizards are in the east doing no one knows and the other wizard is also doing something no one knows because when elrond sent messengers to him for the council of elrond he had left his home for some reason>the witch kind was literally killed when the hobbit backstobbed him with a magic old dagger that was specifically made and enchanted to kill wraiths, eowyn didnt really do anything besides maybe giving the final blow but maybe not even that>the ghost army had no power other than spooking people and was used right then because its a way for them to fulfill their oaths of fighting sauron
