>>221011579
OP passed the media literacy check.

>>221011579
I like the decor. I could see myself being lonely there, too.

>>221011579
Feminist tripe.
Did anyone else think the way out was going to be Bear waiting until real Nikki re-emerged in her sleep and giving her the chance to make the wish?

>>221011579
so true sister

>>221011579
>making a men bad movie in 2026
brave and powerful

>>221011925
I mean, if it's based on reality... Actually in reality the moid would wish for all women to become his sex slaves.

>>221011810
$7000 for that level of art direction anon

>>221011823
she couldn't break the stick in her sleep.

but in the ending scene there is actually one that Bear brought with him, so we can headcanon an ending where she finds it, reads the instructions and rewinds time or retroactively wishes the One Wish Willows out of existence.

>>221012053
didn't she already break it while he was in the bathroom

>>221012053
>>221012115
She wished for him to love her. Kino ending

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>>221012115
camrip quality is bad but I don't think so.

also you would need to have a rule that wish controlled-people can't ask for wishes, else people could get as many wishes as they wanted by wishing for multiple other people to buy willows and wish their wishes for them.

>>221012115
Yeah the demon or whatever already broke it for her

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women have slightly better media literacy than average incel
they know they would do similar wish for that tall rugged handsome badboy they see around
so most of them enjoy the movie for characters and the story
not for some "men bad" idea

>>221012157
>gets wished into loving her
>doesn't do what she'd want and continue inducing vomiting so he can survive
>instead goes and smiles beautifically at her before dropping dead

the writing in this movie was so uneven that for all I know that could be what is supposed to have happened. but it's fucking stupid.

>>221012000
What is moid

>>221012177
Bear bought the last 2 wish sticks, Ian used one to get a billion dollars. Freaky Nikki used the other one to wish Bear was in love with her. I don't think he bought a 3rd one if there was they did not make that clear. The point of Freaky Nikki's last wish narratively was to prevent Bear from throwing up the pills so Freaky Nikki inadvertently saves Nikki.

>>221012225
The scenario is stock female wish fulfillment. Swap the sexes around and suddenly people pretend to care about ethics.

>>221012278
>doesn't do what she'd want and continue inducing vomiting so he can survive
how does that contradict the movie at all, freaky Nikki kept acting in ways Bear didn't agree with either. she would stand in place for hours pissing and shitting on the ground they are completely wholly consumed by their obsessive love same would happen to Bear. Freaky Nikki making that wish in the first place shows how selfish the kind of love they have is.

>>221012315
that seems to be the case, but it happened totally offscreen and was very easy to miss owing to the director deciding to not show it for max shock value. I just assumed what happened was him trying to induce vomiting for a moment, then changing his mind when he realized he WAS doing it because he loved Nikky already.

if he WAS mind controlled, it doesn't make any sense because loving Nikky would entail not wanting to die of pills and continuing to try to induce vomiting instead of stopping, smiling at her and dying like a zombie. so that's probably what happened it was bad writing.

I actually think you only know it happened because its in your PR astroturfing notes or something.

>>221012402
>The scenario is stock female wish fulfillment.
how?

>>221012411
yeah you're right. the reasonable thing is that there are no real rules and the worst possible thing for the person making the wish always happens even if it doesn't make sense as a character decision. you're definitely correct, but it typifies why I felt like this movie committed artistic suicide.

>>221012433
>I actually think you only know it happened because its in your PR astroturfing notes or something.
lol it's because I watched it last night, the camera zooms in on the broken wish stick and it's just obvious freaky nikki wished her love was mutual which is why bear suddenly started acting weird. also I'm pretty sure you can hear the wish noise, the sound that plays when someone opens a wish box, when Bear is in the washroom too

>>221012436
he loves her so much he kills himself for her, etc.

>>221012315
that doesn't follow, she doesn't know he's taking pills, i think it should have ended with her wishing he wasn't dead, which would've reset the whole situation

>>221012433
why would he change his mind if he loves her, that makes no sense?

Awesome movie, blackpilling disguised as feminist slop, up there with Raimi Spider-Man and Titanic when it comes to showing the true nature of women

>oh god please just kill me i would rather die than be with a friendzoned guy who loves me and isn't chad

Women would quite literally choose death over an average looking incel

>>221012468
I'm pretty sure the wish went so horribly because Bear added a clause where Nikki has to love him more than anyone else, which the wish interprets as wanting some fanatical lover. Do you really think Nikki wouldn't be so freaky if he said I wish she had a crush on me

>>221011579
Not all men, just incels.

>>221012433
We hear the sound and then clearly see the stick broken, I don't think it's supposed to be vague.
We just don't know exactly how she phrased it. It might have been something like "I wish bear would stop whatever he's doing and just love me"... that would stop him from trying to cancel his suicide.

>>221012485
I didn't see it in the cinema because I can smell a shit movie from a mile off, the lack of audio and image clarity probably made a difference.

also I think this:
>him trying to induce vomiting for a moment, then changing his mind when he realized he WAS doing it because he loved Nikky already.
would have actually been better writing for the reasons I mentioned.

the director is just an edgyboi.

>>221012523
killing yourself is hard, wavering would be normal. then recovering his resolve and going and looking at Nikky one last time made sense to me in the moment.

the way it is, the director denies him any moment of heroism by having his last act be to try to AVOID doing the best he can to fix the situation. it makes the ending even more empty, so thanks for reducing how much I like the movie by increasing my understanding of it lmao.

>>221012500
She doesn't make the wish to save Bear from the pills, she has no idea what Bear is doing. This happens because this is exactly what Freaky Nikki would do, obviously she would wish her love was "mutual"
>*sobbing* I feel you don't love me as much as I love you. Like it's not...muuutuuuaaal...
This was a very good twist in my opinion, it's interesting how Freaky Nikki ends up saving Nikki because Bear was about to throw up the pills.

>>221012525
>t. incel that didn’t understand the movie

>>221012530
he doesn't even really believe it's going to come true anyway so he's not given a chance to make a "correct" wish.

fundamentally this is why the film is bad: there is no sense of underlying logic, stuff just happens in the worst way possible because its a horror film. its well-acted misery porn.

>>221012280
Moid is a humanoid creature with XY chromosomes

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>>221012599
nta but imdb trivia says it was the actor's idea.

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>>221012555
the only reason we can't hear her make the wish is because of the soundtrack, which cuts out just for the willow sound which I'd forgotten. it's contrived direction to create confusion about what actually happened.

the film is bad and I hate it.

>>221012643
>stuff just happens in the worst way possible because its a horror film. its well-acted misery porn.
well yeah lol no one would care about the movie if it didn't have this kind of conflict.
>he doesn't even really believe it's going to come true anyway so he's not given a chance to make a "correct" wish.
and I don't understand, yeah Bear isn't really at fault for the wish obviously he had no idea it would work if he did he might have phrased it more carefully

>>221012674
i'm like 90% certain you can hear the wish noise while Bear is in the bathroom. also Nikki goes silent she isn't banging on the door so clearly she was doing something

>>221012659
yeah the director isn't really an auteur is he? he also shot multiple versions of the first 15 minutes because he himself didn't really know whether Nikky should have liked Bear or not. just let the cast write the story for you, fuck it.

horror films used to play fair by having protagonists with some level of agency, even if they failed. in most modern films (the Smile series is another good example) they're just snivelling sacrifical victims.

>>221012525
>who loves me
Is making someone your cumrag against their will an act of love?

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>>221012735
>well yeah lol no one would care about the movie if it WASN'T MISERY PORN

yeah and that's bad. if people don't believe in stories where the characters have agency, maybe its because they don't believe that they have agency themselves.

>>221012744
>with some level of agency
Bear absolutely did have agency, the wish was a mistake but his conduct afterwords was entirely his own. When he hears the real Nikki pleas he gets agitated with her and snaps "What's so wrong with being with me?" there was a ton of different ways he could have played this but he acted in a certain way because of his characterization, he had the decision to save Nikki too but in the end he couldn't shoot himself and was going to throw up the pills

Imagine R63 (just like my animes)
>your yandere imouto gets a charming demon to bodyjack you and dick her down while you watch from behind his eyes

would you hate the imouto? I would feel kind of cucked and emotionally betrayed, generally.

>>221012764
he didn't know the stick would work so he didn't force Nikky to do anything. he also didn't say anything about sending her consciousness to the hell dimension.

the whole point of the MDMA lie was to give Bear a plausible explanation for Nikki acting weird so he wasn't a rapist. he would obviously not believe that magic made his wish come true.

>>221011579
Movie is misandrist propaganda

>>221011810
It looks like everyone I know's room.

So is this movie, like, bad or not

>>221012643
I mean, it undeniably worked in eliciting the desired the response which has why it's been successful but yeah, I fear his writing is going to get exposed hard in future projects that don't have the relatable hook and acting - Texas Chainsaw could be a huge mess

>>221012831
>his conduct afterwords
his options were to kill himself earlier, kill Nikky, or get someone else to make a contradictory wish that might very well rebound in equally disasterous ways. he was fucked from the outset. hence there was no real story.

>he couldn't shoot himself and was going to throw up the pills

it wasn't going to make any difference how he killed himself at that point because Nikki is already a double-murderer. he shoots himself the situation is exactly the same. my interpretation of what happened as him overcoming his fear is LITERALLY more meaningful than what is in the movie.

why instead of Bear getting up and smiling didn't we follow his pov to the hell dimension? because the director didn't care about his own ideas and just wanted a romantic moment that's why.

>>221012674
If the sound was the only indication that she'd made a wish then I might agree with you, but the camera also linkers on the broken stick for quite a while to make sure that we realise what happened. I doubt many people were confused.
>the only reason we can't hear her make the wish is because of the soundtrack
It's not obvious to me that he would've heard her say her wish. She might have been too far from the bathroom, might have whispered it, he might have been actively tuning out anything happening around him. It's ambiguous whether he even hears the sound effect.

>>221012744
>shot multiple versions of the first 15 minutes
That's a good technique though. American Psycho did something similar.
>Mary Hannon asked Dafoe to perform three separate times.
>In the first take, Dafoe was told that his character knew Bateman was the killer
>in the second he was told to be suspicious
>and in the third, he was totally oblivious
>Later, in the editing of each of these interviews, the takes were spliced together to keep the audience at a loss to the detective’s suspicions, for at one moment he seemed accusatory, and the next like a close friend.

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How would you heteroids feel if a gay man wished you loved him more than anythign in the world so your body and thoughts would force you to suck his cock and eat his ass and ride his cock and fuck his ass?

Not such a fun wish now huh?

I guess there's been enough time and hype now that we've entered the phase where culture war invalids read wiki plot synopsis and watch shitty camrips just so they can better shit on the thing in flame wars pushing their resentiment agit prop.
^retard ITT didn't even understand Nikki made a wish at the end lmao

>>221012958
>his options were to kill himself earlier, kill Nikky, or get someone else to make a contradictory wish that might very well rebound in equally disasterous ways.
he had a lot of time to do something about it because clearly Nikki wasn't being herself, before he figured it was the wish he could have got her medical help had an intervention with friends etc. but a huge component to his characterization is explored when he's on the phone with the wish company and he clarifies he would prefer having the wish "altered" rather than "cancelled" he wants to make Nikki less freaky
>Just be normal!
>All you need to do is act like Nikki!
He didn't care if Nikki was having a mental breakdown or if she was on drugs or if she was mind controlled by the wish, he wanted to make it work and staying in the situation for so long and thinking he had control over it
>Just come back to bed.
is what led to the whole thing going from bad to worse. and in the end when he was out of options except for shooting himself, he made the choice not to that is agency

>>221012909
No. Only a few incels are triggered because they could relate to Bear.

>>221012975
I've fully come round to Nikky making the final wish. it just makes me like the film even less.

American Psycho is also a bad film and the book (which I've read) is also bad. it's very much 90s "I don't have any beliefs"-core, like people wrongly accuse Fight Club of being. it's also much more restrained than this movie, they didn't include the scene where Bateman forces a hungry rat into a prostitutes vagina for example.

>>221013050
is it a rape and mind control story

>>221013073
>he could have got her medical help had an intervention with friends
yeah of course none of that would have worked, this is a horror film and they are dealing with actual magic. also the movie depicts them as almost literally only having one real friend (Sarah).

I get what you're saying, and the director's GOALS for the story were very obvious. the most interesting part of the film was the middle part where it turns into a metaphor for abusive relationships. unfortunately all the horror stuff just detracts from that because Nikki is such a whackjob from minute 1 that he quickly looks like a delusional retard for not realizing he's in a horror film.

>>221013050
>well jeez whizz what if the situation was reversed though?!
>>straight person forced into a relationship with a gay person

>>221012659
>a selfish coward
No wonder it makes incels seethe so much, must be like looking in a mirror.

>>221013139
>the most interesting part of the film was the middle part where it turns into a metaphor for abusive relationships
It's a clever little character and narrative inversion yeah but it also doesn't do much with it once setup and actually kind of muddled without saying much of anything - not that it has to but with Barker saying toxic codependency was the initial seed for the idea I wonder how much focus he intended for there to be on that aspect which has been completely engulfed by 'Bear bad' moralizing.

>>221013139
I think the title of the movie Obsession goes both ways, the filmmaker made a very intentional choice to say Bear just wants the wish altered and kept telling Freaky Nikki all she needs to do is act like Nikki. and it explains the harder to swallow portion of the movie ie Freaky Nikki feeds Bear his cat, why would anyone stay in that situation? The only explanation is Bear's obsession with staying with Nikki and trying to make it work, until Sarah is killed and he suddenly feels backed into a corner.

The best part of the movie is the woman's acting that's the real juice of it, and I prefer these kind of simpler horror films. I think without that woman's performance the movie would not nearly be as popular.

>>221013192
Doesn’t matter, she was no more attracted to him than he was attracted to men.

>>221013192

Except just reversed wouldn't work because you incels are so lonely and starved for sex and being desired that if a woman wished you loved her you would go "nice!" like how you guys give female pedophiles and female rapists a pass.

So it has to be someone you're not attracted to.

>>221013264
I wasn't disagreeing with you. Women find the vast, vast majority of men unattractive to the same extent that straight men find other men unattractive.

>>221013216
>>221013213
basically I agree.
I think the movie also sort of works as an actual love story for women. a lot of women feel its an exaggerated version of being really into a guy and as such they actually relate to insane Nikki, not in the sense of her being mind-controlled real Nikki, but as a character in her own right.
in the same way as dark triad chads can be hot to them, a cute girl who is fucking insane isn't totally unrelateable as long as she's given some out to make her not responsible for her actions. so the director made a smart commercial decision to end with a moment of romance even if its not actually good writing.

>>221013274
>like how you guys give female pedophiles and female rapists a pass.
It was real in your mind.

>>221013213
>kind of muddled without saying much of anything (re: toxic codependency)
ehh it sort of does though. how Bear desperately tries to make it work based on his idealized fantasy divorced from loving who she really is, rationalizing abusive behavior, her inability to change herself for the relationship, the possessive insecurity - that's all real shit well realized here that I've seen causing people to introspect on themselves and relationships.

>>221013312
> W-we don't give female pedophiles and female rapists a pass!
>> /pol/ makes thread about female teacher raping 13 year old boy
> NICE!
> He's such a fag why did he report her?
> god i wish that was me!
> is he gay? why not keep your mouth shut, i hope he dies
> so hot!

>>221013297
Women are far less visually oriented in regards to attraction than men.

>>221013315
it's too cartoonish and horror-tropey to work as serious drama. like I said, I can see what the director was doing but stuff like the story she reads out at the party (yeah I get why its about incest) could have been written as a spoopy story for too many other situations. I'm surprised he resisted the urge to have her rotate her head 180 degrees.

>>221013343
Yeah there's all kinds of retards on other boards. We're on /tv/ btw.

>>221013343
>>221013274
>>221013050
>ragebait bot starts to malfunction

>>221013359
>We're on /tv/

What's the difference?

>>221013216
men who are obsessed with a woman don't turn down sex with them after an abrupt change of behavior because they're "acting weird", and they don't maintain relaxed friendships with them for a long time without chimping out. being a Nice Guy beta orbiter hoping to get in a girl's pants by attrition is not the same kind of thing at all as being an obsessive stalker.

>>221013415
>being a Nice Guy beta orbiter hoping to get in a girl's pants by attrition is not the same kind of thing at all as being an obsessive stalker.
I don't think Bear was inherently an evil person for being a Nice Guy orbiter but giving these young 20-something lovesick depressed sad boys this kind of wish would lead to circumstances like this, where their worst qualities take hold including obsession. Bear had a pretty normal crush on Nikki seemingly and he probably would have gotten over her, or worked up the nerve to ask her out, but because of the wish he saw an avenue of being with her that he did not want to let go off

>>221013309
it's actually impressive how many small wrinkles of this seem like calculated catnip for the female audience - it's a smart bet too as they're why it's made so much money going back to rewatch and dragging their friends with them. it's hard to activate that but man when you tap in they throw money at crap in droves.

>>221013520
if we're right, not showing real Nikki in the hell dimension was also smart (despite creating all kinds of motivational problems) because doing so would have upstaged fake Nikki while she screeched and self-harmed all over the place, positioning her too clearly as the antagonist instead of a tragic figure.

it's like real Nikki represents how women see themselves before they meet the Chad they became obsessed with, and fake Nikki is their involuntary deranged behavior trying to hold onto chad's penis while he gets increasingly distracted after the first few weeks of the relationship.

hence the happy ending is Chad killing himself to "save" her, instead of splitting up with her, proving he really did love her the whole time. (yes I know that means Bear is filling the roles of both chad and incel but don't expect consistency from anyone there).

anyway someone will probably write a thesis about this garbage. it makes me want to have a shower.

>>221013698
and as usual it allows women to escape all accountability because they're deathly allergic to it.

>>221011823
>>221011842
>>221011925
Are we completely missing the critique of corporations being allowed to sell simulacrums to naive lonely people being the damaging thing rather than hurr lonely men bad?
Are we missing the critique of the society that creates manchildren through lack of real community and attempting to solve a mental health crisis with pharmaceuticals?
Are we missing the critique of simulacrum being used to replace genuine experience, which ultimately harms everyone?
Hurr men bad is the pseudo layer, hurr femcels bad is also pseud layer

>>221012278
>>doesn't do what she'd want and continue inducing vomiting so he can survive
>>instead goes and smiles beautifically at her before dropping dead
Nigha it is established that the personality that takes over is dumb as fuck, and also that it doesn't have full recollection of the past events at the beginning of the film when freaky forgets the details about Bear's cat

>>221012744
The technique you are talking about with multiple takes with actors playing to different scenarios being stitched together was also used in American Psycho and was a tremendously smart move which made the audience feel the same uncertainty as the narrating protagonist as to whether the detective is unaware, suspicious, or certain that he is guilty.

>>221013870
>it is established that the personality that takes over is dumb as fuck
yeah lol, I'd already spent the whole movie facepalming.
but what I realized at the end was that the personality that takes over just does whatever is in the script, and to stop thinking about this dumb film and move on.

>>221013050
They hated him because he spoke the trvkve

>>221013834
>Are we completely missing the critique of corporations being allowed to sell simulacrums to naive lonely people being the damaging thing rather than hurr lonely men bad?
This is true but you're attempting to pretend that women aren't completely at fault for this being the case, if modern women hadn't gotten caught up in social media as they have this wouldn't be enticing in the first place, due to their nature it was the only rational outcome.
>Are we missing the critique of the society that creates manchildren through lack of real community and attempting to solve a mental health crisis with pharmaceuticals?
Women are the ones that broke "the community", without an incentive to deal with the average man they've made it so that the average man has no reason to deal with the community, this starts and ends with women and the government allowing them to escape accountability.
>Are we missing the critique of simulacrum being used to replace genuine experience, which ultimately harms everyone?
The only reason this happens is due to women and feminism, you're attempting to pretend this is happening due to choices made on both sides, when only one side made the choice.
>hurr femcels bad is also pseud layer
feminism is societal poison, it's all women bad all the way down.

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The tweet that destroyed women and feminism

This movie was really good when I watched it 3 days ago. What's the general consensus? I think it's way more rewatchable than backrooms.

>>221014031
>if modern women hadn't gotten caught up in social media
Do we blame women, or the people who put millions into funding a game that predates upon women's sensibilities and thereby gamifies bringing out the worst in femininity?

Why blame women, when the system that's corrupting them and you has nothing to do with them? Is the issue not the extraction of profit without any thought towards the wellbeing of the people from whom profit extracted? If not, then you would be implying that women are essentially evil, which as we both no has no real basis in reality - or at the very least, they're no more evil than men.

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>>221011579
Here is an idea fo the sequel, or outcome if the tv show (a black mirror wannabe) gets greenlight.

>2 counts of first degree murder
>know to use drugs
>deemed incompetent to stand trial
>send to an asylum i.e Arkham
>her designated shrink buys a one wish willow
>forced to relive all again until she ready to overcome her trauma
>after Sarah was killed, Bear recorded a confession
>nikki is released
>finds out is pregnant

6/10 and would defend here on /tv/ because I'm a sucker for happy endings.

>>221014135
Genuinely fantastic as can be seen by how much it has stirred up losers on both sides of the fence

Gen z dudes are such little bitches, I swear.

>>221014181
>as we both no
opinion discarded

>>221014186
So glad you motherfuckers will never write shit

>>221014204
>Appeal to phoneposting
No es un argumento

>>221014135
Top 3 horror movie of the year so far, it seems. They could have played more with the "is it an entity or an alter ego?"; but the movie is solid enough and a good watch.

>>221014210
>So glad you motherfuckers will never write shit
I know, but her finding out she is pregnant would be something else.

>>221012000
>>221012645
post your tits sweetheart

>>221014220
opinion deported

>>221014341
Spanish is a European language, colonist

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>>221014105
Goddamit...

>>221012468
>it typifies why I felt like this movie committed artistic suicide.
i think you're just really fucking autistic honestly. you're misunderstanding blatant things.

>bpd woman but ultra cringe
that movie was a waste of time

>>221014409
Not even a midwit

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>I wish for a billion dollars
Okay here is a billion dollars created out of thin air and dropped right in front of you.
>I wish she loved me
Erm sorry but instead of triggering dopamine chemicals whenever she looks at you, we actually replaced her consciousness with some mentally deficient demon. Also btw, we actually did not even fully replace her, she is locked up in mental jail hell and sometimes she can escape and control her body too and act even crazier lol.

Really?

>>221014468
>>I wish she loved me
That's not what he wished for. He chose his words badly.

>>221012837
OH NO I'M HAVING SEX WITH A WOMAN
HELP ME INCELMAN, I'M GOING INSANE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>221014468
>Implying you wouldn't give the guy who you're trying to torment's guy a billion dollars on the spot to fuck with him
Also we don't know shit about where that money has come from, who it has been taken from etc

>>221013050
I already wished that your dad raised his child to be an obnoxious loser faggot who posts on online forums for the majority of their "socializing."

>>221011579
where did she get the gun from at the end? did I somehow miss them showing it earlier in the movie?

>>221014491
He said " loved me more than anything in her life". She didn't talk with her father for a long time, and besides fucking his buddy, she was into writing. So, love Bear more than writing fanfic or fucking his buddy? Still nowhere close live action Yandere.

>>221014616
>loved me more than anything in her life
he didn't say that. he said "more than anyone in the whole fucking world" and the wish took this literally. you typed all that shit but did you even watch the fucking movie?

>>221014468
Yeah monkey paw shit isn't fun or interesting to me, it's just cringe and retarded
>okay make a wish!
>uh oh oops, you didn't use very specific modern english words or phrases, so now this cosmic entity is going to twist your wish into something horrific! haha!
Like fuck off. As something like a genie or magical artifact wouldn't understand implicitness.

>>221014564
(You)’re not, demon Chad is.

>>221014677
>he said "more than anyone in the whole fucking world" and the wish took this literally. you typed all that shit but did you even watch the fucking movie?
and what part does that constitute murdering crazy ass hoe? people love their pets more than anything in the whole world but that doesnt mean theyll get jealous if their dog licks another human. at most it means theyll get themselves a 6 grand into debt to prolong their life via medicine and surgery.

>>221014604
Did you miss the part where it's set in America

>>221014384
don't necro random posts to bump the thread you fucking shill

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>>221014604
>>221014788
she probably got it free with a box of cereal or bought it from a kid at an elementary school or found it lying by the side of the road fully loaded beside several other discarded/unattended guns.

>>221014791
>don't necro random posts to bump the thread you fucking shill
shut up and post something interesting retard.

>>221014677
So I may have misremembered it, but my point still stands. And I don't remember anything being said about her mom, so, who's love was so big that the wish cause her alter ego be that.

No need to answer, as a friend once told me "the script doesn't owe you an explanation". You wanna know Bear could have prevented the situation for going more downhill? After the party, he should've said: bitch, I saw the way you look at Sarah, if you harm her or any of them I'm gonna end myself, I die you die.

>>221014735
Depends. Is the imouto happy? Can I feel my penis when the demon takes over? There are a lot of questions to consider before killing myself. Being cucked by a demon who is fucking your sister and stealing your penis is probably one of the worst fates I can imagine, other than waking up one day and suddenly you're black.

>>221014739
>and what part does that constitute murdering crazy ass hoe?
nigga it is an eldritch demon summoning artifact sold for $7 in an evil crystal shop do you really think this shit conforms with ISO standards

>>221014853
I've been responsible for all the interesting posts in this thread already. someone else chip in.

>>221014879
>He doesn't know that Sandy was the one possessing Liv

>>221014728
As it turns out, that monkey was extremely pedantic and backbiting. Don't ask me how that quality happened to transfer to using semantics and narrative irony when you cut its magical paw off--I couldn't tell you.

>>221011579
>You're not entitled to have a woman that loves you chud

>>221014901
I feel like after awhile being able to feel your penis would be even worse than not being able to feel it. It’d be like getting jerked off against your will while watching your sister’s amateur porn with some guy.

>>221011579
interesting how male peak horror is being stuck in an unknown uncanny place while being stalked by unnatural horrors but female peak horror is just "I'm forced to date chud"

>>221015855
It's POV, so technically you just have to be mindbroken into loving your little sister.
It's what she wanted anyway. Are you a bad big brother? Shame on you.

>>221011579
Why does the clock say 16:55?
It was really distracting when I saw it in theaters, I almost missed that entire scene because I kept looking at the clock.
There were also some continuity errors I noticed throughout as well.

>>221013834
okay, I also have been rolling my eyes at the ignoramuses that think absolutely nothing going on under the hood of this straightforward wish > woah demon gf movie but you can't be serious.
those observations are at best things some academic writing a book extracts with their oil dipstick when indexing culture periodicity through media only in so far as they are a sign of the times and anxieties but there is no actual critique or position being taken within the diegesis of the film. They simply exist as reflections.

>>221014728
>>221015237
I like the implication the device has built in metaphysical understanding of all spoken languages and linguistic nuance.

>>221012278
Once the poison is in your blood vomiting doesn’t help

>>221015994
first time film maker pls understand

seriously though, that clock fucked with me too and kinda biased my perception of just how much thoughtful attention was paid for what followed. funny enough Bear's actor said the most stressful part shooting was him being very neurotic about maintaining continuity with his blood stains and such

>>221016148
What bothered me the most is that earlier in the same scene it showed something like 12:40. I don't remember exactly. How does someone fuck up a clock so bad that it goes to 16:55?

>>221016148
>>221016167
it's just too prominently featured and obvious to be a mistake - right? maybe thought they were disorienting and destabilizing the audience to feel like Bear does or something cause this is right after he made the wish and she started acting bizarre trying to sex him

>>221016200
Like I said, there were some other continuity errors elsewhere. So it was probably just a fuckup. But really... Blumhouse could have paid for some VFX guy to spend a few hours fixing the clock.

Can't lie, this film made me hate all of you and everyone, on every fucking side. Fucking kill yourself, then me, and I wish you all well.

>>221013346
No they aren't, retard. They're unbelievably picky, so much so with that most of them realize they'll never find a man they're visually attracted to and resign themselves to having to date when they don't find attractive If they don't want to be alone for the rest of their lives.

>>221016851
you are aware women are far less interested in visual pornography and prefer written smut right? because they're emotionally driven yes?

>resign themselves to having to date when they don't find attractive If they don't want to be alone for the rest of their lives.
isn't that the opposite of picky? and why are you framing "settling" on looks as bad? the picky entitled losers on this site are far more incapable of doing that instead of totally self-destructing

>>221011579
Was Bear never supposed to change? At the end he pussies out of shooting himself and then decides to pussy out of OD right as the wish takes over him. Even as all his friends have died, he still chickens out.

>>221014031
I kinda see it both ways. Women aren't at fault for their nature, but at the same time woman's nature has none of the psychological tools required to resist brainwashing. They simply evolved to be creatures of consensus and status quo enforcers, which is amplified and molded to an extreme degree through social media. I agree with what you say about women being enthusiastic footsoldiers against men though. The "gender war" definitely is and always has been extremely one-sided.

>you're supposed to believe that magic exists and the $6 tree branch you bought from a tacky crystal ball store is real
>you're supposed to know your crush wad manipulating you by lying about her father being sick
>you're supposed to know she is also lying about her odd behaviour being attributed to taking molly
>you're still evil for sleeping on the floor when you easily could've fucked your possessed crush
>you're evil if you would believe Nikki's apology which appeared sincere and was self aware of her own strange behaviour
>OK, you immediately attempted to exit from the situation once you confirmed the wish was real as you looked for any possible method of reversing the wish
>he just raped her, chud.

This is the consensus of every woman and soituber who watched the film btw

>>221011579
>>221017781
The protag was so unlikable that it almost made the movie unwatchable.
>Doesn't wash his hair
>Doesn't really do anything or have any character
>Just wants to be in unrequited love with a girl
>fucks that up by wishing for the thing he didn't actually want
The fat chick who got bricked in the head lol was right and he did need a chill girlfriend. Also the demon was right to cut his stupid fucking hair.

I did enjoy it overall. Most losers been in the same scenario
>girl way out of their league
>has a boyfriend/social life
>flirts with you in a polite friendly way
>you think maybe I could get her
>reality of it is you aren't that interesting and don't do enough to engage socially
>proceed to stay in a fantasy world
Though I don't think many people are explicitly as unlikable as the main character.

>>221018619
>flirts with you in a polite friendly way
The director and lead actress confirmed she actually liked him. He was just a pussy. You also have the 'tism if you didn't see her visible disappointment when he lied about liking her, not to mention the love rocks she threw about Sarah liking him beforehand.

>>221018619
some people just have curly hair bro

>>221018763
Yes that was obvious but this furthers my point about the lead character being so inherently unlikeable. He decided to stay in the friend zone and choose unrequited love. The wish fulfilment fucked it up because he didn't actually want her to be his girlfriend, he just 'wished' that she could be his girlfriend.

Also Nikki was always a bit crazy, she wouldn't be known as 'freaky Nikki' before if she wasn't wild. He basically dehumanised her with his wish and fulfilling it did the same. He liked the idea of her, not the person. This is basically the shit you learn when you turn 16 and the girl you think is hot says yes to hanging out.

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>>221018858
It isn't that curly, it is greasy. The fringe just makes it look even greasier, which is why I understood her cutting it. He looks like he showers once a week and doesn't shampoo at all.

>>221013050
That'd suck but if I were given all the information and looked at it objectively I would be curious as to why they OWW didnt simply turn me into a fag instead of putting a separate entity in my mind to take control.

>>221014604
I actually caught the line near the start where someone talks about the manager at the store keeping a gun in the safe where they work and said to myself that thats obviously going to be an important detail.

>>221012909
Its mid. Its an episode of an anthology show stretched out almost two hours.

Bear is a weak ass bitch

>not just wishing for the power to be extremely seductive

>>221019539
Does that change your salary?

Bear sitting their at the party like "She's like this every fucking time..." is both comical and disgusting.
>>221019539
Bro, wishes ALWAYS monkey paw. You ever see Wishmaster?
>You can't control when you're seductive, and everyone you talk to is turned on

Nikki probably liked Bear, but he was too much of a pussy to act on the very obvious signals she was giving him on that ride home and when they were parked out front of her place. Meanwhile, she was probably not hooking up with Ian, but Ian had a crush on her. Sarah only had a crush on Bear when he became unavailable and then deliberately fed him bullshit to sabotage him. These people were all pieces of shit and Nikki got caught up in the antics of these bad people and probably knew they were bad which was why she was quitting the job in the first place.

The other indicator of how toxic of a "friend" Ian is, is when Bear is clearly distraught and is like "we can give this, just wish to negate my wish" and his "friend" totally disregards it and fucks them all over. If Nikki was hooking up with Ian, then ALL of these characters are piles of shit because how could Bear NOT know that unless Nikki and Ian were deliberately keeping it from him and why would they need to keep it from him unless they KNEW Bear liked Nikki? Most likely, Nikki was oblivious to all of this bullshit and the movie is a lesson in not being a pussy and making a move if you're a guy.

>>221017781
it's a 90 min film made for teenagers about a magic wish. it's slop. most horror films are slop with dogshit story.

there's barely any story in this movie at all actually, just a collection of le creepy scenes until all the characters die at the end. no characters grow or change, things in the movie dont happens as consequences of a characters action. the protag literally does nothing the whole film. poorly written flick but its horror so the standards are that low.

>>221019631
>No arc so its bad
Cautionary tales don't always have the protagonist change

>>221019631
What a shit opinion.

>>221019656
i dont think a movie has to have an arc to be good, but this movie has literally nothing in it. all the side ctaracters are poorly written. all the side characters exist just to die at the end.

it's a cautionary tale on what, dont make a magic wish? there's no actual moral or lesson there. things happen in the story not as a consequence to character action. boooo

>>221019688
the movie is a collection of creepy scenes until the movie reachs the end of the run time and decides everyone has to die. there's no point to the movie. fuck you and fuck your shitty ass nihilistic flick

>>221019704
How is it poorly written? The moral is not only having self respect, but also understanding what actual love is. Bear was in love with the idea of Nikki, and frankly before things went to shit he was already getting bored of her. Even when her true nature was suffering, he was selfish

>>221019704
>>221019723
The point was he should have just asked her out or told her that he liked her. The whole movie could have been avoided. Though I do agree that after the beginning, this theme is never really brought up again after act 1.

>>221019783
it doesnt matter if he put every ounce into loving her or acted selfish, she still would have started killing and going crazy. she was already going insane acting le spoopy day 1 of the wish happening.
>The moral is having self respect, but also understanding what actual love is.
or what, some unrealistic scary demon will get you? sounds like a stupid ass movie for teenagers

>>221019834
Or you’ll be alone because there aren’t magical wish sticks irl to even allow you to fuck up to the extent the main character in this movie did. The dude would rather invoke a monkey paw that killed him and the people around him than to just tell or show a girl he likes her.

>>221019795
i understand your point, but that doesnt work as a theme because the plot happens and advances because of things entirely out of the characters control, it didnt happen because of his behavior and actions but because of a magic device


the demon possession and her killing and acting crazy isnt a allegory or a metaphor for a real fucked up relationship. its just straight up dumb horror slop for 60 min until all the characters die at the end. so unless the theme is dont long for unrequetting love or else you will die then it just dont make sense nigga.

the movie is good because of the lead actress and its got some good memorable scenes and is generally entertaining to watch. but its definitely not well written.

>>221019908
I agree about the actress and scenes and it isn't well written, but you're missing the full point. If you want something (i.e., to date a girl), shoot your shot. It either works or it doesn't. But don't resort to tricks try to make something happen that shouldn't
You see shit like this all the time, on this site, on boards like /adv/ and /g/
>how can i get girl from school to like me? i'll just pretend to be someone i'm not, perfect for her, and she'll like me
And then you have to pretend to be someone else the entire relationship, which is hell
>how can i get a job at [big tech company]? i'll just doctor up my resume and memorize answers to interview questions, and they'll have to hire me
And then you start work and it's miserable because you suck at the job (I've done this one)
I guess you could say the movie flips it, in that he changes her to see him as perfect (rather than change himself to appear perfect).
It's not a bad life lesson, but yes it is very understated

>>221012667
Post tits or gtfo

>>221019323
the manager is sarah's dad who nikki was also sleeping with which is why she had the combination. the movie has a lot of subtle clues about what happened before it begins which sheds light on why things get so out of control (he mixed his grandmas medication to get her to OD and inherit her house) etc. you can't see this on the camrip, you need to be in theater or wait for a good quality. the MC isn't taking his anti-psychotic medication and is probably hallucinating half of the things we see.

Ian is a shitty friend my god

>>221019908
>it didnt happen because of his behavior and actions but because of a magic device
isn't he the one who made that wish, and he chose to stick with her despite how crazy she was acting and how much Nikki was suffering because of his own desire. how is that not a character expressing agency. and it's obviously a commentary about the Nice Guy phenomenon if you want le deep themes.

>>221020280
Wait does he actually have meds other than the oxycodone? I didn't catch that

>have cute Asian girl clearly into you
>NOOOOO I WANT THE MYSTERY MEAT SLUT
Bear was an idiot

>>221012647
ironic considering that's exactly what your image generation is doing IRL

I don't get it. Why does wishing for her to love him turn her into a demon? Why didn't the other wishes turn into monkey paws?

>NOOOOOOOO
>YOU CANT MAKE HER STOP RIDING THE COCK CAROUSEL AND SETTLE FOR AN AVERAGE GUY WITH A FULLY PAID OFF HOUSE
>SHE NEEDS TO KEEP BEING LOST AND FUCKING RANDOM STRANGERS NONONONO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING

>>221012278
Sacrifices himself to set the person he loves the most free. How does that not make sense

>>221011579
>bachelor dual-wielding nightstand lamps
whatever the art director was paid was too much

>>221011579
>"uh men bad"
>win a bajillion dollars
Horror fans deserve the slop they get

>>221022139
>men bad
This wasn't the intent of the film at all. Redditors and feminists have caused full death of the author with their twisted views by shoehorning their hyperpoliticized opinions into the story

>>221021860
He made it particularly stupidly and said he wanted her to love him more than anyone else or it might have even been more than anything else. As others have said, if he wished more like "I wish she had a crush on me made the first move" it likely wouldn't have been that extreme of a result.

>>221021860
I just watched an old Tales from the crypt story thats similar. Some asshole guy wants to bag this rich Spanish chick so he gets a voodoo love potion from a witch. He's told to be ultra precise with it, one drop and she'll love you for the night. Two drops and she'll love till death. He pours the whole bottle in because he's an asshole and wasn't listening.
I felt that handled the monkey paw/love potion story better.

>>221022233
But didn't his friend make a very poorly worded wish too and nothing bad happens?

>>221022257
His friend wished for a billion dollars and got it. The guy at the store claimed he made a wish, got it, and was cool with it. Bear just went too extreme with his.

>>221022283
Wishing for a billion dollars is very poorly worded though. Why didn't that backfire?

>>221014879
>so, who's love was so big that the wish cause her alter ego be that.
that includes herself MORON

>>221019906
Well that's unpleasant, why did she do that?

>>221011579
The payoff should have been the characters discussing how they felt about things. Instead, we got a stupid ending that conveniently made those conversations impossible so that the director could have his stupid shock ending. Ari Aster pulled this same shit with Midsommar and surprise surprise turns out he’s a hack too.