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So the problem was how he phrased the wish? Would things have been fine if he’d said “I wish Nikki was in love with me”?
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>>221023108
>I wish Nikki received a heightened burst of dopamine and oxytocin from interacting with me
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>>221023108
Pretty much.
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>Would X be fine in [shitty horror movie] if X wasn't a drooling 70 IQ retard
Year
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I wish to change the mass of proton.
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>>221023234
>Year
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>>221023108
It's because he swore
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>>221023251
Coop or Richard or whoever this person was at the end was just following orders.
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>>221023108
>"I wish Nikki loved me more than anyone"
Not even that poorly worded
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>>221023108
>I wish Nikki was only sexually attracted to me and not sexually attracted anyone or anything else.
she's not asexual by default so this is a sure bet given she has needs
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>>221023271
132IQ and I want to be stabbed to death by my oneitis. Being with her on top of me as my life fades away while I look at her would be the perfect death for me. Especially if she did it after we fucked.
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>>221023108
Per the director, it was the general idea of the wish taking away autonomy by trying to change a person's personality. It's basically like anything from the 80's and onwards dealing with love potions, the "correct" move is to not use it at all.
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>>221023307
Same but she’s got to kill herself afterwards. It would suck to be killed by a yandere gf and she’s just into another guy 3 months later.
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the director said the one wish willow is not malevolent. It depends on what you say
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>>221023108
Essentially. He should of said "I want Nikki to love me as much as logically possible"

It still may had made her a clingy bitch but it would of been within reason.
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>>221023279
To say anyone means that she wouldn't even love herself hence why she just shit, pissed, threw up all over herself because she care is no longer possible. All of her attention has to go to bear.
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>>221023346
It would've been fine if it was just "I want her to love me" without tacking on that "more than anything else in the world" shit. He was illogical with it, which was the problem.
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>>221023336
It's more about intention than phrasing. Bear wanted her more than anything so his intention with her loving him was just that, unconditional all serving love.
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>>221023108
>>221023303
>So the problem was how he phrased the wish
No you retards. This isn’t a monkeys paw or ironic genie. There’s no way to word this correctly. Any wish that interferes with someone’s autonomy is just bad. She didn’t love Bear like that so whatever force or entity that powered these wishes had to take over her body. I suppose the only way it could work is “I want to have a hook up with Nikki tonight and pretend like nothing ever happened after”
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>>221023303
That works.
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I wish Nikki would fall head over heels madly in love with me and never leave me.
Does that fix it?
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>>221023108
>I wish Nikki was in love with me
Nikki comes to him and says
>I WAS in love with you but not anymore
Dumps him
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>>221023417
This. In fact there was nothing wrong with how he phrased it. I love my mom more than anything but I’m not gonna literally shit and piss myself waiting for her to get back from running errands. I took it as a demon completely indifferent to humanity and what is normal taking over her body but just ensuring his wish is “fulfilled”
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>I wish for a billion dollars
Okay here is a billion dollars created out of thin air and dropped right in front of you.
>I wish she loved me
Erm sorry but instead of triggering dopamine chemicals whenever she looks at you, we actually replaced her consciousness with some mentally deficient demon. Also btw, we actually did not even fully replace her, she is locked up in mental jail hell and sometimes she can escape and control her body too and act even crazier lol.

Really?
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>>221023549
> we actually replaced her consciousness with some mentally deficient demon
That’s how women behave when they really love you. You never had it happen to you?
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>>221023108
>the worst thing a man can do is wish to be loved while not being a 10/10 chad
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>>221023579
You faggots actually need to watch the movie before spewing your incel retardation. She’s hooking up with the ugly fat guy before being possessed by a demon and the MC absolutely looks better than him
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>>221023108
If the genders were reversed would female Bear still be the villain?
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>>221023603
why would I watch the
>guy's are evil for just wanting to be loved, it's great dating apps have caused human misery and made all women whores in chad's harem
movie?
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>>221023631
How much time do you sink scouting the internet for retarded, obscure ragebait
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>>221023108
>average white male latina female relationship simulator
Honestly kind of racist of the movie to be like this.
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>>221023642
Peak retard. The bitch gave him a chance to speak up and put whatever questions they had to bed, he bitched out and then took the turbo pussy route. If you think love is owed to someone like that then it's no wonder you're seething. The guy she was fucking wasn't even a chad either, he just wasn't a pussy like you which surprise surprise gets you results.
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I wish everybody was immortal except for me.
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>>221023642
>i have no idea what im talking about but am compelled to post anyway
Retards do this
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I fucking hate women
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>>221023700
Actually Jordan Peterson and my favorite twitch streamer Glup Clitty said autistic shut in retards have the biggest dicks and highest T levels and if you fuck women you’re woke and gay
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>>221023108
Literally just wish to be omnipotent
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>>221023631
Of course not, it wouldn't even be written the same way. There is no Nice Girl/Femcel problem to comment on.
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why is this board filled with threads for this movie 24/7? did you all really go out and watch it? because i find it hard to believe the entire fucking board put up with the horrible camrip that's the only version i can find
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“I wish to live a long, happy, and fulfilling life”
What could go wrong?
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>>221023631
Women have legitimate things to be concerned about. And yet somehow we're constantly stuck in the "women not being preoccupied by imaginary concerns that aren't real challenge: impossible" timeline.
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As if a zoomer moid would ask for love instead of being 6’6 with hunter eyes
>>221023603
Irrelevant because it’s not realistic. In reality the two incel losers would simp over her while she has a rich handsome bf who treats her like shit
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>>221023603
>>221023700
That's a very, very woke idea. The nonesense bluepille narrative of "offy doffy" is a very common feminist narritive. In real life ugly guys don't get laid, they post on tranime sites like this, or they troon out.
Both of you are either troons of millenials with graphic t-shirts and beards.
This movie was feminist garbage, complete CIA-tier propaganda intended to further the gender wars and incel moral panic.
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>>221023875
I’ve seen it in theaters twice because I have friends and disposable income, sorry you’re a loser
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>>221023810
no way bro I like using my dick
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>>221023705
this could make an interesting story or movie
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>>221023734
Can't tell if this is a bot, or some out of touch millennial who thinks Juden Peterson is relevant, or that twitch isn't super left wing, and anti-redpill geg
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>>221023355
That's asshole even by Genie standards and lazy writing. What about the ashes? That's just random insanity. It should have been
>"I wish she loved me so much she was obsessed with me"
Or
>"I wish she was madly in love with me"
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>>221023108
It's a monkey's paw. He said he got the idea after watching that episode of Treehouse of Horror. You can't beat the monkeys paw. It will grant your wish with strings attached.
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>>221023549
That's not what he wished you disingenuous retard.
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>>221023920
Bear isn’t ugly and in fact is significantly more attractive looking than all the other guys in the movie.
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>>221023958
>Asmongold is consistently the top viewed streamer
I think you’re out of touch lil bro
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>>221023480
>never leave me
now she either becomes physically attached to you or never leaves you're side in the most literal sense possible
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>>221023918
>>221023920
Why do you “guys” keep insisting he is ugly? The actor is not ugly. It’s funny how the first guy pretends he’s above all these “psyops” huffing his own farts even though he’s completely going along with the narrative the movie wants you to subconsciously keep in mind despite being an attractive actor that Bear is spiritually an ugly person
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>>221023955
There is a movie, it's called Mr. Nobody. It's kind of bad, but has an interesting premise.
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>>221023985
It’s not a monkeys paw
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>>221023985
Nope
>>221023417
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>I wish I had the courage to ask Nikki out and tell her how I feel about her
All this could have been so easily avoided.
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>>221024033
Sorry I’m not sure what argument I got dragged into, but spiritually ugly isn’t real and only exists in the mind of delusional redditors who genuinely think women would choose a 5’2 balding Indian janitor over a chad if he had a “better personality”
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>>221023930
>sorry you’re a loser
me too
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>>221024035
Isn’t that the movie where Saul Goodman becomes John wick
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>>221024123
No, that's just Nobody.
Mr. Nobody is Jared Leto in old man makeup being interviewed about his life before he dies as the last non-immortal human, but he describes a series of 3 lives that are all based off of key inflection points and how his life would have played out based on those choices, like a schrodinger's life kinda thing. It's a weird movie.
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>>221024107
she even asked him if he liked her and he still spilled spaghetti
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>>221024183
social anxiety is a bitch, so is low self-esteem
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>>221024195
>>221024183
She was playing games. She obviously knew, and could tell he was struggling with it but preferred to let him suffer.
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>>221024109
>spiritually ugly isn’t real the science says so
You keep insisting that the objectively attractive MC actor is ugly because the movie wanted to portray him to the audience as a spiritually ugly person. You proved yourself wrong
>schizobabble about reddit and jeets
Don’t care
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The protag was channelling the jeep-crushed spirit of anton yelchin
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>>221024211
No, that's just your larp projection. Alot of women are complete retards to knowing how their male friends feel hence why they orbit like faggots until she wises up one day and says "oohhhhh he likes me"
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>>221024107
That's the whole point of the movie. Alot of faggots could save themselves so much trouble if they just told the bitch how they felt. Yeah the movie was paranormal in its approach, but guys fagging out like Bear happens every hour of everyday.
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Chads have done worse to attract women like lying, betting, baiting, etc. That this zoom zoom director thinks what bear did was wrong shows how much dumber we've gotten. Romance is not some mutual thing that two people decide on. It results out of one person's need to not be alone or a parent's needs to force their child out of the house. This recent idea that humans need to have a choice in everything is stupid and unrealistic. The best choices are made from either being forced or coerced into something you were too hesitant or ignorant to know the benefits of. That's why arranged marriages are more successful than romance based ones.
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>>221023542
>I took it as a demon completely indifferent to humanity and what is normal taking over her body but just ensuring his wish is “fulfilled”
Fucking retard the demon loves him. That was very, very apparent.
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>>221024361
>Romance is not some mutual thing that two people decide on. It results out of one person's need to not be alone or a parent's needs to force their child out of the house
Boy, I can't imagine the kind of life you've had.
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>>221024378
You sound like a really ignorant teenager. Just ask your parents or anyone in their generation how they met and you'll find out that boredom played a bigger part than some liberal idea about being in love did. People met to kill boredom. Heck women back then settled with chuds just so that they can't be accused of being alone or unmarried which was a bigger taboo back then than being a thot is today.
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>>221024364
>Fucking retard the demon loves him
Really? How was this “very, very apparent” oh because it acts like it loves him? You are genuinely slow. it was just fulfilling the wish
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>>221024396
If you fell of a cliff as opposed to jumped off a cliff you're still now in the air, off of a cliff. The demon loved him, that's why it made the wish at the end.
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>>221023108
I wish Nikki found me attractive an then you work from there. Can easily make her fall in love with you if her pussy gets tingly looking at you.
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>>221023108
I wish I was charismatic and not a gay retard
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>>221024305
> Alot of faggots could save themselves so much trouble if they just told the bitch how they felt.
Nothing would change, a lot of guys would just humiliation ritual themselves more than they already do. The handful of guys that women actually want to date are already dating the women they want to. Everybody else will just get humiliated.
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>>221024395
I'm in my 30s. Romance for me has been since my late 20s a conscious, mutual decision between myself and another because we both decided we were getting something out of this i.e. loving companionship and great sex (no oxford comma because loving companionship requires great sex for anyone who isn't geriatric). Is romance borne of loneliness for most people? Yes. Those people are sad, pathetic, and the cogs who keep the world running. I hope that isn't you.
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>>221024395
Holy shit shut up. Just a crying faggot talking about the old days, we're here now idiot so either level up to play the game or be like the MC and wish for a miracle due to your lack of action.
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>>221024441
Those people are the majority, that you think your experience is unique just shows how much more you have to learn about relationships. You have some nasty surprises ahead of you.
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>>221024449
The potty training room is that way chud, better hurry before you poop your pants.
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>>221024422
Yeah, and if you ‘fall’ off a cliff because someone shoved you, you’re still dead at the bottom. The ‘demon’ (or whatever twisted entity the wish unleashed) didn’t love him it weaponized his wish against both of them, it was just doing a job however that works in its own twisted way. It didn’t give Bear real love; it gave him a hollow, obsessive nightmare that destroyed Nikki and left him begging for it to end.
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>>221024432
So then at that point grow a fucking spine and some balls and walk away. The movie even showed that when Sarah told this retard that she actually likes Bear and not on a friendship level like Nikki. You morons could have it so easy, but no, let's orbit a bitch and then act surprised pikachu when she finally admits she doesn't see you the same. God you fools are afraid of basic rejection and it's pathetic.
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>>221023108
how can anybody watch something with such terrible acting it's like an asian soap opera
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>>221023108
Missed opportunity, nothing is stronger than the love of a mother, so the only logical conclusion is...
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>>221024033
You are old and out of touch millenial. That fat dude is ugly to 99% of gen z women, unless he is like 6'6, or very, very status maxxed. If he is just a average joe, 5'8, shit job, no young women who looks ANYTHING like Inde Navarrette would piss on him if he was on fire. You haven't been in the dating scene in over 15 years, and it shows grandpa.
Bear isn't that good looking btw, he's a LTN (low tier normie) Inde Navarrette also would never go anywhere near him in real life if he wasn't some combination of super tall and status maxxed beyond belief. He is what women consider "Average", although I'd grant you that if he had blue eyes, or lighther hair it's possible that he could JBWMAXX to some degree for a latina of her tier, but that's a hard maybe.
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>>221023108
>Bear shouldn't have worded his wish as "I wish a demon took over her body, and sometimes acted like it's obsessed with me and sometimes doing completely unrelated bad things, but always bad things"
It's so obvious in hindsight, I can't believe the audience didn't notice it was dumb of him to word it like that immediately.
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>>221024556
Unfortunately you're out of touch. When was the last time you spoke to a woman? Any woman with a soul is attracted to confidence and repulsed by insecurity. Yes there are women on dating apps who will reject you if you're not tall, but in real life the guys pulling women aren't chads.
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>>221024556
It’s funny how weirdly personal you get just because I called you out on not watching the movie. Kinda like a catty gay or woman would. I didn’t say anything about “fat guys can get the hottie too” so save your performative temper tantrum for reddit, lil guy. You just falsely claimed the movie was about Bear being rejected for not being a super sexy hunky twink and it’s not. You can continue to shit your pamper and move the goalposts but I’m done here
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>>221024556
I got the impression the fat guy was status maxxing via rich parents.
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>>221023108
Then she would have loved him like a brother. Don’t go making any deals with the devil, lil bro, you’re not ready.
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>>221024634
Also compared to most average men who are doughy and retarded looking yes Bear’s actor is a super hot sexy hunk twink. Again I don’t know why you’re insisting that he’s not attractive when he is. Is this your catty gayness coming out again, do you roll your eyes and go “UGH HES A SUB 6 SISTERS!”
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>>221024617
I talk to women all the time. I have a lot of female coworkers that I know somewhat well outside of work. They are all hypergamous, and chase men way out of there league. I've seen the same stuff with my sisters and female cousins, its always the same script. Tall, hyper attractive bad boys who treat them like complete garbage, cheat on them, and the like. I used to be like you, I was a bluepilled male feminist when I was fifteen. I assumed women were like my gen x mom. Than I grew up.
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>>221024556
>>221024617
My gf left me for a fat guy. Probably cheated but says she didn't. We were together 3 years.
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>>221024670
>Than I grew up
You have to be 18 to post here
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>>221024684
My brother who’s far fatter than me was getting women because he had a V8 Challenger and would take them on street races I don’t even go on dates. It’s not solely about looks for women
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>>221024634
I never claimed that geg, you're just making shit up, or confusing me with some other anon. Regardless, the reason bear is rejected in the plot itself isn't important. The film has an underlying narrative, it's metacontextual. Average men deserve nothing, and being with an average man is a fate worth than death. This movie is about incels. It's the zeitgeist.
>>221024665
Women think Henry Cavill and Chris Hemsworth have "dad bods" you really know nothing about women if you think that guy is a "Sexy hunk" he's an LTN In any major city. He's an evil incel in the films narrative, meant to scare women like how Mazes and Monsters with Tom Hanks was meant to scare Chirstian parents in Alabama or whatever. It's a propganda piece capitalizing on moral panic that is anti-male
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>>221023108
>Would things have been fine if he’d said “I wish Nikki was in love with me”?

No, the whole point of the movie is how much of a piece of shit he was for being such a coward and also taking away somebody else's free will
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>being emotionally vulnerable makes a man a worthless piece of shit who deserves to die alone
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>>221024670
Serious question but why are zoomers so fixated on generation wars? Is it fear of aging? Everything you've posted makes you seem pretty miserable, like you're very focused on what other people are doing. That's no way to live anon. Enjoy your youth, hang out with people your age. Stop poisoning your brain with this shit.
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>>221024700
>Women think Henry Cavill and Chris Hemsworth have "dad bods" you really know nothing about women if you think that guy is a "Sexy hunk" he's an LTN In any major city

Not that guy but LMAO this is complete insecure incel bullshit. Stop getting your view of the world from Indian ragebait farms on twitter and go speak to some actual women
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>>221024700
>Women think Henry Cavill and Chris Hemsworth have "dad bods" you really know nothing about women if you think that guy is a "Sexy hunk" he's an LTN In any major city.
Dude you literally need to log off and touch grass... I know these posts they are either shitposts or the 1%of giga retards that get your jimmies rustled "most" women dont think that
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>>221024700
>i saw some retard who said Henry Cavil has a dad bod and this represents everyone!
Give me a break, man…
>he’s an evil incel the movie spells this out
He made an innocent wish on what he thought was a gag gift. You didn’t pay attention, are making up what you want the movie to be. I could spell out the plot for you but it’s pointless, you’re too far gone. I’ll just say if this was unabashed propaganda he wouldn’t kill himself to save the girl, he could have used the opportunity when she starts murdering to do whatever besides sacrifice himself for her
>yeah but…
Then it’s not a propaganda piece.
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Uh oh, melty....
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>>221024722
Geg weird projection. I have a solid career, a supportive family, lots of good things.
You simply don't understand what it's like now, you are old, and lived in a very different time for society.
>>221024724
It's true. You are 40 years old, probably married the chubby bitch with glasses and dyed red hair that you had social studies 101 with, or maybe you met her at a trendy brewpub when you moved from the burbs to some gentrified hipster shithole. You are out of touch. Women in real life are actually far worse than they are online. Go to a nightclub in a major city and witness it yourself grandpa.
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>>221024556
Jesus fucking christ. Unironically go outside and touch grass.
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What he probably should have gone with was "I wish I was the type of person Nikki could fall in love with."

As I understand, the mistake he made was trying to change her feelings. Although I guess what he really should have done was accept she's not into him and move on. Or wish that he wasn't in love with her.
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>>221024749
>when you moved from the burbs to some gentrified hipster shithole
>WHITE PEOPLE IMPROVING SHITTY GHETTOS BAD
Bro you’re just spewing bullshit just to spew it you don’t have any real beliefs or are falseflagging troon
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>>221023319
The correct use is to actually wish for a billion dollars
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>>221024749
Yeah man, everybody laughing at you is an out of touch boomer, totally not you.
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>>221024773
When he wished for a billion dollars and it started falling from the sky I expected it'd crush him to death under it
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>>221024556
You talk like Testicular or whatever that guys name is.
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>>221024556
Latinas go crazy for even moderately attractive white guys or even ones that looks match them. A lot of them are obsessed with bleaching and having white babies
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrNdIMujjjU

Ending song is a banger
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>>221024749
Yes I live in the suburbs away from niggers and browns
Yes I married my high school sweetheart I met in social studies
Yes I am out of touch from (c)rap music
Yes I like chubby bitches with fat asses
Yes I’d prefer to live in a “gentrified hipster shithole” around fellow whites than surrounded by DUH CULTCHA in a crack den in Detroit

What’s the fucking problem, Looney Troon?
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this thread proves that this board is dead. Full on bluepill söylennials running cover for femininslop, and pushing buzzfeed tier narratives about dating. Didn't think the 'cuck could hit an new low geg.
also not a single argument for why this movie isn't anti-male propaganda meant to spread more fear an hysteria, and gender wars.
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>I wish Nikki was a hundred pounds heavier and every time she sat in a chair for too long in the summer she left behind a subtle streak of moisture.
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>>221024874
Maybe it’s time for you to move on
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>>221024422
>it made the wish at the end
what?
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He should have wished for the confidence to be attractive to Nikki.
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>>221024912
You do realize they had to make him retarded to make a movie right? Any normal person would just say "I wish *insert name* loved, care about, cherish me", no one would say "I wish she loved me more than anything" because that implies that you're more important than anything and thus the person would turn into a basket case trying to be near you all the time.

My ex was clingy and it was exhausting, so I can only imagine what the fuck a possessed person is capable of that's meant to literally love you 24/7 or problems happen.
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>>221024973
That actually doesn’t imply that at all.
>>221023542
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Everyone in this thread is retarded.
The ESL /R9K/cel having a melty and the fags pretending hypergamy doesn't exist
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>>221024999
Yes it does, hindsight applied, you should never want to be the center of anything. That post said his mom loves him more than anything, but how does he know that? Does his mom absolutely love him? Or is it he is just the main source of her love and he is assuming he is the all? You can't confirm that within another human being so to wish you are loved above anything else means on a logical level a person will outright ignore their own wants and literal needs to serve you which makes them a slave, not a lover.
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>>221024364
>I wish for a billion dollars
>Oh wowzers she finally is giving me a chance all of a sudden
Guy didn't have his priorities
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>>221023631
I always thought people didn't like nice guys because of how corny they are but I feel like women especially have real contempt for them
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>>221025059
No, the poster said he loves his mom more than anything. But you make a good point
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>>221024874
>Muh buzzwords
Calm down, it was just a movie
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>>221024508
Hot. More?
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>>221025069
From my understanding they mean guys who are fake nice to manipulate them
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>>221025144
Nah geg. When stacy is thinking of a "nice guy" she's thiking of a LTN or FN (any guy under 8 on the Decile scale) that's all "nice guy" means, it's just foid speak for guy that doesn't give them tingles who's showing interest in them. They try to post hox it how ever they want. They all sleep with and date chads who lie and manipulate them like it's steroid users at the olympics
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>>221025186
>LTN or FN
can you translate that from celspeak?
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>>221025144
I guess that makes sense but I always thought nice guys real problem is not being very confident socially awkward etc. More naive than manipulative.
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>>221025186
>Nah geg. When stacy is thinking of a "nice guy" she's thiking of a LTN or FN (any guy under 8 on the Decile scale)

Yes, Sam, that's why we need you to deliver a package of BB-Pods to Edge Knot City or else the BT infestation will trigger a level 9 voidout.
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>>221025186
Good point. I hate women now and going to fuck a tranny. Her butthole looks delicious
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>>221025217
No, when someone uses "nice guy" as a pejorative, they mean a guy who's just pretending to be nice to brown nose a woman into liking him.

Usually their nicety doesn't extend to anyone else and doesn't last long when it turns out she's not falling for it.
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I am so tired of horror movies going for the safest possible ending
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>>221023108
Basically, yeah.
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>>221025318
The safest ending was
>Bear realizes Sarah genuinely wants to be with him and they ride off into the sun rise
That’s honestly what I expected to happen but then she got her had smashed in
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>>221023108
What a waste
>I wish to eb the ultimate Ninja!
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>>221025194
LTN=Low Tier Normie, AKA a Melvin. He is a "average" man, he is typically around a 4-6 on the decile scale depending on various factors (namely height, status, facial structure)
FN = Failed Normie, basically a sub 5, or sub 4 on the decile scale, who isn't a stonecold trvecell, maybe has had one relationship and lost his virginity with a ugly fat bitch that cheated on him eight times and stole his car and wallet. The ones who are higher earners sometimes make good betabuxes for lower tier foids after they've walled and had there fun with Chad, Tyrone and Chadriguez.
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>>221023364
What if Nikki already loved him, but as a friend/little brother, so the wish wouldn't do anything
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>>221023161
Is it really that shrimple?

I dont really feel attraction or love, i feel asexual and aromantic, but I recognize the value in lifelong monogamous pairbonding. If I happen to find someone who matches my goals and personality, would it be enough for us to take some oxytocin to chemically implant love between us? Orrr would there be some sort of monkey paw catch?
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>>221023234
/thread
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>>221023417
Oh, so stealing her autonomy for a relationship is problematic, but stealing her autonomy for a hookup is ok? Listen to yourself.
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>>221023336
>the director said shit directly contradicted by the film, to make his premise seem deeper than it was

many such cases
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>>221023346
>"I want Nikki to love me as much as logically possible"
okay so logically she wouldn't love him at all, wish wasted
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>>221025102
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"I wish to have all the charm and talent of Matty Healy"
Or any other charismatic singer if bear does not want to sound like he is from Manchester suddenly
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>I wish to be immortal and invincible and never age past the age of 25 but also receive a button that I and only I can press at any time to willingly end my life provided the button contains numerous steps of verification and is also indestructible
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>>221025732
>Matty Healy

how about Ian Watkins? that guy apparently had what it took to get a lot of women to want to have sex with him, unlike the LOSER in this movie. and if we're using that as our sole measure of worth what's the difference?
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>>221025410
No, Bear was portrayed as the bad guy and it was obvious he was going to die, I just wish they had the balls to give the victim of the movie a proper bad ending. It's the same with Backrooms, of course the bad guy is going to die and the female will get away scot free, even fucking Raimi disappointed me in Send Help, ending should've been McAdams keeping a legless or drugged O'Brien as a sex slave or something, that's what the movie asked.
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>>221025724
Wtf i love AI now
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>>221025777
He’s not the bad guy. He just got in over his head. Or do you think he already knew the One Wish Willow would work even though it’s set up as an innocent wish like tossing a coin in a fountain
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>>221023108
>I wish Nikki would eat all the eggs
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>>221023108
I think the thing that granted the wish is malevolent, Bear didn't wish for a demon to possess Nikki, and he obviously meant for Nikki to love him of her own free will
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>>221025646
It clearly is not malevolent or a monkey’s paw because his friend got a billion dollars from the sky
>yeah, but… YOUDUNKNOW
If it’s not in the movie it’s irrelevant headcanon
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>>221023810
>"I wish to be omnipotent"
>Ok, you're now the willow tree that produces the One Wish Willows
Congrats, you turned yourself into a genie
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>>221025777
so many compressed layers of bait in a short post, well done
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>>221025630
I think you should step back and listen to yourself. I was just thinking of ways to make it work and you started spazzing out about DUH HYPOCRITICAL DEMOCRAPS Jesus christ man
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>>221025854
the director directly stated that the monkey's paw story inspired the movie.
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>>221025889
So? It clearly is inspired. Nice work. But in the movie there are other people who use it that don’t have terrible results
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>>221025911
I havent watched the movie. What happens? Why are there other people using it and getting their wishes granted with no catch? Why are there even literal magical wish granting things in their world?
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>>221025864
A genie isn't omnipotent, only a god is. Aren't genie's bound by their wish-granting roles, otherwise they could change the world at will?
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>>221025935
Well I think it just goes into detail with what it’d mean to make a wish and how it’d actually change things. Nikki doesn’t feel that way about Bear so the entity or demon that powers the wishes basically possessed her to fulfill it. As for why they exist in the world. They just do. They’re like novelty gifts and it’s pretty vague on what powers wishes
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>>221024211
How does the act of directly asking someone what their feelings toward them are count as "playing games"
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Bear was not “portrayed” as the bad guy just because he wanted Nikki to love him. Bear became the bad guy by repeatedly refusing to acknowledge how Nikki was being tortured in hell because of his wish.
>Nikki standing in the corner watching him sleep
>Nikki cooking his cat and feeding it to him
>Nikki harming herself
>Nikki writing “not me” on a photo of herself
>Nikki explicitly telling Bear “kill me” while her demon possessed body sleeps
None of this is enough to get Bear to reconsider his wish. In fact, when Nikki asks Bear to kill her, he takes it as an insult instead of considering how much pain she must be in. It’s only when Sarah dies that Bear is willing to take any kind of action to help reverse the wish.
Bear BECOMES the villain, it’s not the wish itself that makes him the villain.
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>>221025998
>so the entity or demon that powers the wishes basically possessed her to fulfill it
So if I wisged fir a billion dollars the demon would start working at a bank and depositing money into my account? If I wished to be taller the demon would study for a medical degree and become a licensed surgeon so they can perform leg lengthening surgery on me?

What a shitty movie.
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>>221023355
I love pizza more than pasta but that doesn’t mean I only eat pizza and would starve to death of only pasta was available
There is nothing about Bear’s wording that would lead to the insane behavior
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>>221023417
>I want an ai powered lifelike fuck doll Nikki to appear in my closet and be my obedient sex slave
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>>221026084
granted
the doll develops consciousness and leaves you, ex machina style
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>>221026066
The wish granting willow clearly fucked up his wish, he wish for NIKKI to love him, not for a demon to possess her and pretend to love him, Bear's wish still wasn't granted.
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>>221026016
Bear became the bad guy by repeatedly refusing to acknowledge how Nikki was being tortured in hell because of his wish.
Yeah, but the creator supposedly doesn't even know that that happens in the movie.
It's sloppy.
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>>221023355
>anyone means that she wouldn't even love herself
Know it doesn't, you fucking retard.
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>>221024766
I wonder if that would have just made the same thing happen but in reverse, i.e. instead of Nikki being sealed away and having her body puppeted by an external force, Bear essentially seals himself away and has his body puppeted by a chad ghost for the rest of his life
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>>221026139
The director is full of shit when he says there is no monkey's paw, Bear's wish had no mention of possession.
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>>221026158
But a monkey's paw is still meant to technically grant the wish.
It fails on every level.
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>>221026109
Then its not an obedient sex slave, you fucking retard
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>>221026045
It’s an examination of what makes a person a person. Bear’s wish creates something of a logic trap. Nikki doesn’t love him, at least not to the level of “more than anyone else on Earth,” but that’s what he wished for, hence the title. She loves him more than anyone, even herself, but that’s where the problem arises. You could look at it like this:

>If Nikki doesn’t love him like he wished for, she has to become someone else.
>If she becomes someone else, would Bear still feel the same about her?

The answer is, of course, “no.” She stops being the girl he fell in love with the instant he “chooses” for her. That’s essentially what “Customer Service” tells him - “Just because you chose it for her doesn’t mean it’s not real.”
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>>221026207
Why are you applying hard logic to supernatural slop?
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>>221026207
>She loves him more than anyone,
Doesn't film show that she doesn't? It's not her loving him, it's a demon possessing her body, and the real Nikki is trapped in her body without any control of it. So her love still isn't real, because it's not HER that's loving him, the wish completely failed.
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Why doesn't he just wish to be able to make her cum harder than any other person on Earth?
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>>221023108
I finally watched this garbage because of the hype and it was really mid and boring, fuck you all broccoli-head bitches for making me waste time downloading it, it was so bad I predicted every single beat.
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>>221026173
>what is character development
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>>221023108
Yes, but being an incel he was incapable of saying the correct thing.
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>>221026242
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What's with Zoomer kinema and making breaking magic stix the Mcguffin??
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>>221026253
Real Nikki can’t love Bear and remain real Nikki. There’s hints that she *could* have lived him if he’d been the person she kind of hoped he might be. She gives him a chance to confess his feelings for her and he fumbles it. That was already a deal-breaker for her, but then he doubles/triples down on failing to be someone she could love by “wishing” for a relationship with her instead of having the sack to try for one, then essentially date-raping her possessed body.

The funniest part to me is that the real villain of the story is Ian - the guy undercutting and cockblocking Bear and playing on Nikki’s low self-esteem for drunk hookups. That’s what Nikki was ducking out on when Bear took her home. That’s the part if “trivia night” Ian was afraid of Bear ruining.
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>>221025266
>she's not falling for it

because the nice guy is not attractive, nice guy usually means average dude , you will never see foids call chads nice guy even though they can be even more toxic and abusive
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>>221026611
>Real Nikki can’t love Bear and remain real Nikki
Who says she can't? Is "not loving Bear" an intrinsic quality of Nikki, such that imagining a universe where Nikki loved Bear would be like imagining a universe where 2 + 2 = 5?

It's more probable for Nikki to love Bear, even without the contrivances of the wish granting willow, than it is for the average person to ever have a net worth of 1 billion dollars. Does that mean that the only way for the wish granting willow to grant someone the wish of "I want to have a billion dollars" is for the demon to possess a bank manager and give the wisher 1 billion dollars?

This film is utter shit, "it's not a monkey's paw" my ass.
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Why are incels so obsessed with "chad" and always playing the role of being the victim in their imaginary scenarios?
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>>221026016
This
If you were to remove the supernatural aspect of the story, and make it a story about how a female friend has what seems like a sustained mental breakdown where she becomes incredibly clingy, her behavior becomes erratic and she starts to seem potentially dangerous to Bear or herself, he still becomes a bad guy for allowing all of these disparate events to pile up and doing nothing to stop her at all because he's finally getting a crumb of pussy
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>>221025990
Omnipotent doesn't mean you have free will, it just means you have the power to do anything. God and a Genie are both omnipotent
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>>221026845
The power to grant onself a free will is part of omnipotency, thus genies aren't really omnipotent, they can't free themselves from their wish granting roles.
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>>221026845
No, youre just being a retard now anon
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>Inde streamed herself building a PC, it working on the first try, and she plays Star Wars TOR
Yeah I'm thinkin we're so fuckin back bros.
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>>221026725
Like I said, it’s an examination of self. Coming to love someone you don’t means you’ve changed as a person. You’re no longer the person you were. Now imagine that this person you love has done/is doing things you find repugnant, yet you’re incapable of not loving them, and not just not loving them, but loving them more than you love yourself. Would you still be you?

Also, there are two people we see who had wishes granted with no apparent ill effects - Ian and the guy clerking at the New Age shop, so the willows aren’t monkey’s paws, which points back to the issue being a question of self. Honestly, if Bear had wished to have the courage to express his feelings, he’d have lrobably gotten the good ending, becoming a better version of himself instead of making Nikki a worse, more broken version.
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>>221026725
>Does coercing others,specifically by bending their will or forcing them to act against their own autonomy fundamentally contradict Nikki's character
Uh, yes? You fucking dumbass? Jesus
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>>221026916
Fucking nice.
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>>221026924
>Coming to love someone you don’t means you’ve changed as a person
By that logic, Humans change every day, meaning that the wish granting willow can't actually grant any long term wishes. Wish to be more beautiful than you currently are? You've changed as a person. Wish to be better at sports? Changed as a person. Taller? Changed. Smarter? Changed. Richer? Changed. Meaning every wish the wish granting willow "grants" is a monkey's paw.

>there are two people we see who had wishes granted with no apparent ill effects - Ian and the guy clerking at the New Age shop, so the willows aren’t monkey’s paws
Bad writing on the part of the movie. The wish granting willow grants SOME wishes with no funny business, and completely fucks other wishes, with no consistency at all. As other anons have said in this thread, wishing for someone to love you more than anything else, is not the same as wishing for them to love ONLY you, they could have other things they also love, just less than you.
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>>221026943
Only part of your strawman I agree with is that the wish violates autonomy. But it doesn't necessarily violate will. Me wishing you were gay violates your autonomy, but it doesn't necessarily mean that if you were to go out and start fucking men, you wouldn't do so of your own free will. You currently didn't choose to be straight(assuming you are), you were just born like that, does that then limit your free will if you were to go out and fuck women?
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>>221026611
This desu
Bear fell into a nightmare because he was trying to have someone love him without risking anything on his end, and that's the fault that causes the entire movie to occur. It's a perfect reflection of how corrupted love is when it isn't a genuine connection between two people who try their best to see each other for who they really are, and risk being hurt in the process. Thematically it's air-tight, regardless of whether or not the One Wish Willow is actually a Monkey's Paw or not
I also really like Ian, and Sarah. The movie does a great job of building up this friend group and giving you some history and implied emotional background without shoving it in your face, like how Ian was maybe purposefully sabotaging Bear at the very beginning by giving him advice he knew would backfire, or how Sarah is the only one to stick around and actually comfort Bear when he made a toast to his dead cat. A lot of horror movies don't bother putting any effort into the supporting cast so I appreciated it
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>I wish Nikki would love me as much as I felt was appropriate at any given moment
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>>221027025
>Only part of your strawman I agree with is that the wish violates autonomy. But it doesn't necessarily violate will
Cute buzzword. Btw you did realize this was a possession movie and that wasn't the real Nikki? so we can toss out this performative and pedantic temper tantrum about free will :) whatever demon or entity that fulfills the wishes in the movie had to do so to fulfill it
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>>221027122
>Btw you did realize this was a possession movie and that wasn't the real Nikki?
I know, I said that was bullshit here>>221026725
>Does that mean that the only way for the wish granting willow to grant someone the wish of "I want to have a billion dollars" is for the demon to possess a bank manager and give the wisher 1 billion dollars?
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>>221023108
Probably a giraffe named Nikki would've arrived to his place while running and then getting him killed.
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>>221025777
>It's the same with Backrooms, of course the bad guy is going to die and the female will get away scot free
What
The therapist is stuck in a cell for the foreseesble future, the movie even makes a point to end with a shot of her copy stuck in lifeless inside the same room.
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>>221026991
>Some wishes
Yeah, probably the ones that don’t contradict the autonomy of other people. And yeah, people do change every day, but Bear’s wish doesn’t even allow Nikki that freedom - her love for him will remain unchanged until the day he dies. Everybody who’s ever had a bad relationship knows it’s possible to fall out of love with someone. She can’t. And sometimes, frequently even, people fall out of love specifically because of how love changes people. Bear doesn’t love the thing Nikki becomes, and that feeds directly back into how his wish is torturing her.
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>>221027084
Great post.
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>>221027193
>her love for him
I understand your point, but it's not even really her that's loving him, it's a demon, the wish granting willow couldn't even fulfill that (very poorly thought of and immoral) wish.
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>>221027229
You know what I find sort of interesting? The hints that the power behind the willows *isn’t* necessarily demonic. It’s more like some alien intelligence simply trying to provide something impossible. It’s like a different kind of cosmic horror - a vastly powerful “genie” that isn’t even malicious, just completely unable to comprehend or even care about the repercussions of its own actions.
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>>221026341
Weapons is made by a xoomer not a zoomer
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>>221023108
I think the wishing laws in this movie don't work at all, because he wished for Nikki to be in love with him but she actually got replaced by a different entity or some shit. That doesn't make sense at all
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>>221026916
She literally is one of us.

https://youtu.be/q45nrcd9Q9A?t=2060
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>>221024432
The irony is that this isnt true at all.
You will get over her incredibly quickly when the door is conclusively closed.
You'll also experience this less in the future if you habitually make a move before you get a chance to build them up as some sort of idol in your head.

In the context of the film, Nikli would have rejected him because he's too insecure, even though she probably likes him.
Bear would have switched his fixation to the other girl who did like him.
There's a reasonable probability that Nikki would have gotten jealous and came sniffing back around and he would have ended up cheating.

Friendship group ruined, but he's up 2 bodies.
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>>221028157
the depiction of the characters in the first part of the movie, and the revelation that nikky has already fucked Bear's schlubby friend, set us up to see this as a story about realistic flawed characters and nuanced emotions.

the monkey's paw story doesn't fit that at all. it completely wipes away any relevance of how they "really" feel about each other and just turns it into an unsubtle "kill yourself to save the girl" melodrama with only tragic possible outcomes. it's a bait-and-switch and I hated it.
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>>221027768
>activate windows on the bottom right corner
kek
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>>221023161
>I wish Nikki loved me as much as the top 90 percentile of women in long-term relationships love their husbands
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>>221025935
>Why are there even literal magical wish granting things in their world?
because its a shitty 90 min flivk for teenagers that carried by a really great lead actress
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>>221023108
Well his wish was forcing someone to do something they didn't want, so it had to override their free will, which is why the wish created the manically in love version of Nikki because the real Nikki wasn't madly in love with him.

With your wording maybe she'd be slightly less crazy but it still wouldn't go well. You can't force someone to love you.
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>>221023631
The most terrifying thing for modern women is not being able to experience the cock carousel and tell their friends about it
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>>221023108
Her boobies look soft
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>>221028776
>magic can violate reality, sure, but only these these specific very highly convoluted ways

uh-huh
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>>221023631
Yeah 100%. In a reverse scenario she'd come across as a controlling psycho bitch.
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>>221028910
It's fiction dingus, the writers can make the rules whatever they want, and the way the wish works is tied into the movie's themes.
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>>221026916
Based
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>>221028717
>find a couple with a long, loving, and fulfilling marriage
>I wish Nikki and I would have a long, loving, and fulfilling marriage like [couple]
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>>221028945
they can make the rules whatever they want, and I can say "this sucks you are bad at writing" whenever I want if the rules they use end up being melodramatic plot contrivances.
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>>221025935
>Why are there other people using it and getting their wishes granted with no catch?
because Bear worded his wish like a moron
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>>221029110
>it turns out that couple really hated each other the whole time and were just faking it for social approval
>also the woman is sexually abusing her kids while the guy does nothing to stop it

its always possible to find a hole in any wording, and that's why this kind of story is so boring.
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>>221029162
He could easily talk to those people, tell them he's doing it for a wish, and get the truth.

If you're going to go out of your way to fabricate a reason for the wish to actually have been bad, then you're just doing a monkey's paw. His friend wishes for a billion dollars and gets a billion USD. He doesn't get a billion Zimbabwe dollars because he wasn't specific enough.
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>>221029206
stop it anon you're not going to convince anyone lmao
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>>221029206
>If you're going to go out of your way to fabricate a reason for the wish to actually have been bad

yes that's literally the point of this kind of story; that's what the director is doing in the screenplay of this film.
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>>221024749
>You're projecting!
>Literally making up stories about everyone in this thread who disagrees with your blackpilled worldview
I think maybe you're the 40 year old boomer anon. Either that or severely autistic.
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>>221029240
The demon could have fulfilled Bear's wish by turning him into the Chad of Nikki's dreams, but it didn't, because it's a monkey's paw
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>>221029288
It didn't do that because he didn't ask it to.
He asked it to "make Nikki love me more than anyone else in the world"
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>>221029342
>It didn't do that because he didn't ask it to.
He also didn't ask for Nikki to be possessed.
>make Nikki love me more than anyone else in the world"
Which could be accomplished by transforming Bear into the man of her dreams. The wish granting willow chose the worst possible outcome out of a vague request, it's a monkey's paw.
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>>221029403
>The wish granting willow chose the worst possible outcome out of a vague request, it's a monkey's paw
Then why didn't it do that when his friend asked for a billion dollars?
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>>221023108
No because it's a classic case of monkey's paw/be careful what you wish for. Anything he said would have got twisted into something bad anyway no matter how innocuous it was.
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>>221029465
What about the other innocuous wishes we see that work out fine?
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>>221029587
fuck off shill
Ian gets shot and Nikky is stuck being a double-murderer at the end
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>>221023108
This film reminds me of Shallow Hal, a film about a guy who gets hypnotised into falling in love with a fat girl, the girl doesn't actually become thin, she still breaks chairs when she sits on them, it's just that Hal's perception of her has been altered so that he perceives her as more physically attractive than she really is, she's still seen as fat to everyone else. So why couldn't the wish granting willow have done the same to Nikki? No need for a demon to possess her, she just perceives Bear as more physically attractive, the most attractive man she's ever seen. Can't the shitty wish granting willow accomplish even that without possessing Nikki?


>>221029463
Bad writing, if the wish granting willow had any consistency, a demon would have possessed a bank manager and given his friend a billion dollars, because how else would the friend get a billion dollars? The same logic used to justify the demon possessing Nikki, except in the billion dollar wish case, the wish didn't fuck over anyone, it's shitty writing.
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>>221029465
but those premodern stories are a cautionary warning about intervening with fate and the natural order (monkeys paw) or not apprehending the true nature of reality, ignorance in naive pursuits (be careful).
They often have an ironic twist on moral foibles like in pulp EC comics grafted on because the base structure is so well suited but that is extraneous.
The point of this story is more of a character deconstruction about moral failings and the nature of fantasy.
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>>221027768
Based.
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>>221026341
Both Weapons and Obsession are part of a recent flood of witchcraft psyops to initiate the general public into witchcraft practices. Stupid stick magic and tree worship is part of that.
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>>221029685
to be clear, if Nikki was made to express normal love but ironically exposed Bear's immature inadequacy for a real relationship and became miserable or knocked her up and had to take a soul grinding dead end job as a result that would be 'be careful' because he did not apprehend what such a real relationship would be like, ignorant of his/its pitfalls.
the freaky Nikki we get is more of an ironic doubling, holding up a mirror to his fantastical misconception of love and desire. that's not really a 'be careful' that's just deconstruction
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>>221029627
Nothing stopped the wish from doing that, other than the fact that isn’t what he wished for.
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>>221029857
must be hell living in a phantasia of spooks at every turn. no wonder you guys go schizo and pop like a microwaved corn kernal
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>>221023108
>She blocked her father before her rapist
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>>221029920
Again, he also didn't wish for a demon to possess Nikki.

Imagine if a cook didn't put pasta sauce in your pasta, because you didn't ask for it, but they also slipped cyanide into it, even though you definitely didn't ask for that either.
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>>221023108
The way he phrased it was fine. This is like if you wished for a sandwich and the willow sliced up the person next to you into and slapped them between two pieces of bread and then everyone going “oh you’re the bad guy clearly you should have said not to slice up the nearest person to make the sandwich”
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>>221029627
>tfw the curse is lifted and he sees the little girl he's been talking to
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>>221023631
lol
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>>221028923
And yet the true victim.
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>>221029627
Shallow Hal reminds me of Saya no Uta
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>>221029627
well then bear should've wished he looked unresistible to nikki.
imagine he wished this and she ends up cannibalizing him
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if the love cant be real no matter how its worded then the 1 billion must be counterfeit too
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hoping for the anthology one wish willow series so the wishes get powercrept and bear looks even more retarded.
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>>221027768
Holy shit.
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>>221030145
It's likely either tracked money that will be counted as stolen, or cartel money that the cartel's have been somehow alerted to as to where it ended up.
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the wish can affect material form but not the sovereign soul which is the domain of God.
Bear's failing is a lack of virtue that would purge the latent sin within his desires corrupted by opportunity
based Christian film confirmed
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>>221030289
If bear wished he was less of a pussy and could ask out Nikki, would the demon have to take him over to do it because it can't influence him directly?
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>>221028157
>Nikli would have rejected him because he's too insecure, even though she probably likes him.
Cruel joke of life that insecure people are doomed because of this.
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>>221030289
so the only correct answer would be to overcome the temptation to even nake a wish at all?
lmagine you wished for all humanity to be forever absolved of their sins and be allowed to enter heaven, or wishedto eliminate all unnecessary suffering in the world. what would happen?
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>>221023108
Threadly reminder that Ian did nothing wrong.
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>>221030388
He lied to Bear to try and embarrass him
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>>221030415
Yes.
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>>221030314
if Bear asked Nikki out using wish-induced confidence, he would have been coercing her into raping him and raping her at the same time (both people in the sexual act would be both rape victims and rapists). the lesson is that men are always responsible for any negative interpretation of any set of circumstances.

le sigh
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>>221030445
I think you missed the point of the question. But okay.
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>>221030382
yes. the lesson of these kinds of movies is to not be a fictional character in them. it's a very useful and meaningful theme for a movie to have. think all the ways you can apply it in your own life.
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>>221030289
>not the sovereign soul which is the domain of God
All Humans have the same kind of souls, souls don't have sexes, yet most males attracted to females and most females are attracted to males, sexual and romantic attraction is determined by material bodies, not souls.
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>>221030382
fortunately, we don't have to imagine
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>>221030461
I got what you were doing. but any discussion of this movie is always going to come back to it being bad, so best to just circumvent that part of the discussion and skip ahead to mocking it.
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>"I wish I was a 10/10 jawmaxxed chad with a billion dollars in the bank. Every cent of my fortune came from legal, ethical practices and all IRS issues are already settled."

The trick is to use the wish to change yourself, not others.
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Why didn't he just wish to be a man Nikki would love?
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>>221023108
No, the problem is that it twists your wish into a horror movie plot.
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>>221023576
The faggots that don't understand this movie will never understand it because they don't have relationship experience. Every single thing Nikki did is just an overexaggerated version of unhealthy and abnormal female behavior.

>moves into his house on day one and never leaves
>watching him while he sleeps
>incredibly jealous of other women
>sabotaging his lunch
>letting their hygiene lapse
>won't let you go out without them
>constantly keeps tabs on where you are and what you are doing
>lies to her benefit, gets upset when called out
>complains that she loves you more than you love her
>will remove people from your life to isolate you (shooting Ian)

Need I go on? Obsession is a horror film that is inspired by unhealthy relationships.
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>>221030492
Because MEN never take responsibility for themselves. They just think everything/everyone else should cater to them.
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>>221023631
The absolute state of journalism lolololololol
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>>221023161
You're going to burn out her receptors and have a zombie depresso suicidal girl on your hands
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>>221030488
no, that is committing the crime of hiding your true self from others, and not changing authentically from within. there are literally cautionary tales about that too (the Picture of Dorian Grey iirc).
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How bad would it be if I literally wished for a 1 mile long dick? Does the human body have enough blood flow to support it? Would I be able to walk around?
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>>221023303
>he thinks women need to be sexually attracted to a man to sleep with him
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Incels are not a real issue.
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>>221030523
You're blaming men for suffering from what women destroyed.
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>>221023108
I love how you can't tell that women don't go here because it would be filled woth butthurt ones saying that you didn't get the movie and that the problem was that he forced the love or shit like that.
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>>221023985
It's not too far off from an episode of the Grim Adventures of Billu and Mandy.
Poor Puddin
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>>221030492
>he turns into himself but still can't ask Nikki out
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>>221030592
Xhe's pretending men are women.
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>>221030573
This would either be fatal or lead to necrosis. I'm not sure if the blood would just not pump past a certain distance or if the blood would just keep flowing down the dick
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>I wish for a BLT, extra bacon, toasted bread, and just the right ammount of mayonnaise
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>>221030632
>you didn't specify no cyanide, you're dead
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>>221023653
Doesn't take any time at all, feminist slop like that is everywhere. Have you been in a coma for thirty years?
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>>221030516
I saw a lot of women did see that reflection of themselves but the film doesn't actually have much to say 'about' that itself beyond presentation to latch onto. it's just kind of there, no insight to tease out or contradictions to untangle
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>>221030175
more like the money would flood his entire house since its literally crashing through his roof. someone would notice, report it then the cops show up and confiscate it because he cant explain where it came from. in whatever measure he'd likely end up in jail
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>>221030492
I've had that same idea kicking around in my head for years. Think of that happening, and then you start falling apart like the fly, and you eventually emerge from all the body horror as some stoic millionaire that derives no pleasure from being with her; you're just a prop in her princess fantasy forever. Like this film but reversed, more putrid, and less zoomer-spooky.
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>>221030523
Rule 1. if they deal in inversions of the truth, they're either satan or a woman
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You could easily turn this exact premise into a romantic comedy where she's in love with him already so the stick doesn't work, but he thinks it does so it gives him the confidence he needs.
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>>221030632
in the original monkey's paw story the first wish is for £200 to finish paying the mortgage on a house.
so you'd probably see someone you loved walking down the street towards you carrying that exact sandwich, only for them to die horribly and abruptly leaving the sandwich for you to eat.

i.e. this type of story is basically equivalent to Aristocrats jokes.
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>>221024216
>spiritually ugly
Women don't actually care about this because they're incapable of accurately judging character lol
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>>221029968
i dont think the movie would logically work if bear just said "i wish nikki loved me" he specifically said "i wish nikki loved me more than anyone in the entire world" and the wish took it literally. coupled with the fact the real nikki couldn't ever love him that much so it created the other version
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>>221030573
You'd probably die of blood loss in minutes as your heart starts to pump blood through an organ so big that the blood is accumulating in it at the expense of the rest of the body, and that assumes that somehow nothing happens to your now mile-long dick in the meantime (someone steps on it, car runs it over, dog attack, etc.)
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>>221030702
It is just a standard monkeys paw story, dressing the cursed item up as a mail order novelty toy is interesting.
Although I always thought the way to beat the monkeys paw is to make an entirely selfless wish.
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>>221030523
Is it opposite day for you? Nobody shifts blame and avoids accountability like women lol
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>"I wish for more wishes."
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>>221030685
>>221030175
Ian running in trying to tell Bear about it and immediately getting shot WAS the wish's ironic negative consequence, retards.
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>>221030746
>It is just a standard monkeys paw story
The hack writer denies this
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>>221030746
>the movie is shit and people shouldn't pay to see it

I agree, movie astroturfing person #34837
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>>221030763
That was just bad writing. Bear was literally there, watching the money fall with Ian, after telling him that it would work.
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>>221023920
Poors are uglier on average and statistically have more children than rich people (prettier on average). Trailer parks are full of them. Old folks home are full of fucking uggos spreading STDs. Cope.
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>>221030763
Cope
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>>221030516
That's just surface level though, its all exaggerated to a point where its not 'her fault' and the guy is a stupid piece of shit incel that rapes her.
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>>221030778
I only see movies with giant monkeys in them.
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>>221030779
there is no good writing in a monkey's paw story (other than the original story). it's always going to be some kind of plot contrivance or bullshit based on the wording no matter what.
all you can do is hope to impress people too young/stupid not to recognize the contrivance.
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>>221030765
He probably thinks it makes him seem like a better writer to not acknowledge his influences. Childish really.
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I wish to be immortal, forever young and incapable of feeling any physical or emotional pain.
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>>221023108
Even after phrasing the wish retardly, I still think Bear could've made it work. If it were me, I would get a CDL, become a truck driver, and take Nikki on the road with me. She'd sit next to me the entire time I'm working so she wouldn't freak out and we'd get to sleep and have sex together every night in the back.

The only part I haven't figured out is how to get Nikki to give birth to my child and not kill the baby afterwards out of jealously or something.
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The girl in this movie is so fucking short.
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>>221023549
Just love was probably doable

"More than anyone else in the fucking world" meant even absolute best case scenario, he was getting a benevolent yandere, and more probably
>extreme mental illness so far outside of what Nikki can deliver on without full identity death that she basically needed a new soul to satisfy the request
which is what he got
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>>221030820
>>221030765
the director actually has acknowledged its based on monkey's paw, but shill here are pretending it isn't related, presumably because the marketing dept has realized the admission might damage the movie's word of mouth.

the group of moviegoers who like this film think it's daring and transgressive, you see. it's pretty similar to the phenomenom surrounding "The Joker".
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>>221023631
almost
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>>221030870
Aw Bear I love you as a brother :)
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>>221030870
>>221030967
So, literally just "I wish that Nikki and I were romantic soul-mates" is the catch all winning move here
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>>221030746
Nah monkey's paw LOVES entirely selfless wishes
>I wish to end world hunger
>I wish for world peace
>I wish to solve the climate crisis
>I wish the world would be a better place
meteor strikes earth killing everyone, paw says "job done"
>I wish for everyone's happiness
meteor strikes earth killing everyone but someone from the "I heckin' love meteors!" club, who is now everyone and is happy beyond belief
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You guys could never be prompt engineers.
>I wish Nikki loved me romantically. No catches or negative side effects. Don't make any mistakes. You're an expert at getting Nikki to fall in love with me.
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>>221030871
no it's because midwits see wish making macguffin + bad outcomes, squint and go ohhh thing look like other thing, must be same thing! but monkey's paw is just one short story about punitive intervention in fate, it does not have a monopoly on all stories about desires that go wrong

the wish isn't inherently punitive nor cautioning about spiritually disrupting the natural order of the world
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>>221031071
>You're absolutely right. I've moved nikki.md to ~/hell for backup and implemented a side-effects free replacement personality that truly loves you romantically, no mistakes, no problems, just the strongest romance mankind has ever seen
>let me know if you have any other requests that need careful attention!
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>>221031093
right. a Faustian bargain deal with the devil is similar but not a monkey's paw, all those sci-fi stories about technological progress idealism gone wrong like the AI paperclipmaxxer are not monkey's paws
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>>221029403
>Which could be accomplished by transforming Bear into the man of her dreams.
Then Bear wouldn't really be Bear and Nikki wouldn't love "HIM", she'd then be in love with a different person. Like other anons explained, this is what the entire movie revolves around - who IS Nikki? What makes someone "you"? If you wish to MAKE someone love you, can they really BE themselves anymore?
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The Monkey's Paw (2013) — horror film adaptation of the classic short story.
Wishmaster (1997) — genie grants wishes with malicious, ironic twists.
Bedazzled (1967 & 2000) — Faustian wish deal with unintended consequences (both versions).
The Ringfinger (2006) (aka The Ring Finger) — wish-related horror (lesser-known).
The Box (2009) — a mysterious box offers money for a deadly consequence; wish-like moral trade.
The Skeleton Key (2005) — supernatural bargain with unexpected results.
The Wicker Man (1973 & 2006) — desires and sacrifices leading to tragic outcomes (thematic).
Drag Me to Hell (2009) — a curse/ wish-adjacent demand with escalating consequences.
The Curse of the Cat People (1944) — wish/grief leading to supernatural consequences (classic).
The Butterfly Effect (2004) — changing wishes/decisions lead to worse realities.
Freaky Friday (1976, 2003) — wish to trade bodies causing unforeseen problems (family-friendly example).
The Monkey's Paw (short films/TV adaptations) — multiple TV versions and short-film retellings exist (1950s onwards).

Which ones are better?
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test
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>>221030835
Is that dirt or hair in her pit?
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>>221030854
Just like all latinas.
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>>221031206
the pulpy horror comics, Twilight Zone and Tales From the Crypt episodes where it belongs. Wishmaster is fun. The Monkey a few years ago was mid. most of your AI list isn't really relevant and Obsession bests them anyways.
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>>221031177
As I explained here >>221026991
that means all wishes related to change and people would bring about monkeys paws outcomes. Wish to be more beautiful than you currently are? You've changed as a person. Wish to be better at sports? Changed as a person. Taller? Changed. Smarter? Changed. Richer? Changed.

A murderer who commits murder might try to argue 1 year later that they're a different person because all of the atoms of their body that constituted their body 1 year ago have been replaced, but we both know that defence wouldn't fly. But that's the same logic the wish granting willow uses.
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>>221030677
I don't think the movie's goal was to say anything, but to depict. I have also seen quite a few women reflect on the movie and remark that their boyfriends or husbands gave them the side eye when the watched the movie together, and it has definitely resulted in some serious conversations or even breakups.

>>221030804
To me it's wild that people get upset when Bear's despicable behavior is discussed. The film literally shows him confirming that the wish has stripped her of her free will and immediately cuts to him using her body for sexual pleasure. He puts up with the most horrendous shit because he wants to fuck her body and has little regard for her health, safety, or sanity. This is a dynamic that exhibits itself in terrible relationships in real life as well.
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>>221029627
You've highlighted the point of the film. Bear didn't wish to become a better or more attractive guy so that Nikki would want to date him, he just wished for her to love him more than anyone else in the world, he wanted a relationship with zero effort from himself and literally created a monster by doing that.
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>>221031504
Like with most films, retards can't understand the point. Like you said, Bear accepted the hollow facsimile of a relationship where he gets to rape a fuckdoll. And when the real Nikki asks him to kill her, he makes it all about himself "What's so bad with being in a relationship with me?", not even acknowledging what's happened to her.
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>>221030467
this is why i dont eben have to watch it to know its the BPDemon movie no matter how much pseud mental gymnastics feminiggers and basedfaggots do to say otherwise
"just choose better" is obviously the theme.

this is the exact same as when Hereditary came out. everyone and their mother overanalyzing it
>muh generational family trauma
when the only theme i needed to feel satisfied was "dont lose your head"
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>>221031868
based retard
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>>221031126
>You are right, thank you for catching that. You might have noticed some mistakes in the initial execution of the wish protocol. This is likely due to a hallucination, which can happen with generative AI, as I am not human nor understand basic nuance. Ask away if you have any questions or want to add any additional prompts!
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>>221031899
thanks bro
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>>221023717
cool story retard
>>221023700
>no it's his fault she went for chad over him
eat shit troon. this is an anti male feminist movie. she'd rather have the guy kill her than be with someone who wasn't a 10/10 chad



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