Hot take: anime does science fiction better and with more creativity than western movies and tv shows. Could western films ever come up with the kinds of stories like these here?
I can't stop farting wet smelly farts. Is this God trying to tell me something?
>>221027851but all of those stories in anime were ripped off from western sci-fi literature
>>221027851The only good anime you even posted is the one on the left, the other two are glorified oldshit that are mostly built on legacy reputation more than anything.
>>221027851>Could western films ever come up with the kinds of stories like these here?Yes, they could come with milquetoast time travel stories like Steins;Gate, and have done for decades before it
>>221027958Steins;Gate is the best anime posted there.
If you ask me there are actually very few good sci-fi animes, which is a shame because sci-fi is one of those genres that obviously benefits a lot from animation, and yet there are far more animes about mundane shit that would be extremely easy to film IRL.(And BTW stuff like NGE I don't count as sci-fi for this purpose same as I don't count stuff like Marvel movies as sci-fi no matter what nerds may argue)
>>221028001You stink of broccoli hair.
anime was made for westerns. https://youtu.be/XzcO1_cJ2_c
>>221027851No western movie maker could ever come up with Gundam I will say that.
>>221027851I love gundam but mostly because I find tomino's bizzarre brand of autism endlessly fascinating, I would never call it a well written storyGquux was very good
>>221028041>If you ask me there are actually very few good sci-fi animesYou say that as if OP didn't just post 3 of them.
>>221027851Dr Who > SteinsBlade Runner > GITSPower Rangers > Gundam
>>2210281353 among thousands is very few, relatively speaking. And I know that there are more, but my point is that for every anime you can think of that qualifies as good sci-fi there are countless more that don't.
>>221028176Power Rangers is a "war-is-hell" drama in space?
it's hilarious to me that weebs believe insane things like "japs invented cyberpunk" because they simply never watch/read anything that's not japanese so it looks to them like the japs invented everything. do the japs themselves think they invented everything or is it just a weeb delusion? wesu wasu kangsu
>>221028186>And I know that there are more, but my point is that for every film you can think of that qualifies as good sci-fi there are countless more that don't.Excellent point, thank you.
>>221028176Power Rangers is literally Super Sentai reskinned to have all the adult themes removed by the jew Haim Saban.
>>221028176>Dr Who > SteinsDirty bong-coded post
>steins;gatebased on western media and john titor>gitsagain based heavily on western media and general idea stolen from koestler, and even other japs >gundamonce again heavily based on western media and even made to appeal to western audiences(essentially like kurosawa or Sion Sono)Don't worry OP when you grow up and read more you'll understand
>>221027851>Could western films ever come up with the kinds of stories like these here?Yes? They've both more and better sci fi than the three you posted there.
>>221027851>Steins;GateTranime fags convinced me to watch this and holy shit it was fucking awful.Main character was annoying as shit, absolutely nothing happened in the first half, and the second half was just “baby’s first time travel story.”
>>221027851>Steins GateWatched the first four episodes, it was so boring that I couldn't continue.>Ghost in the ShellNever seen it, planning on watching it sometime though.>Mobile Suit Gundam (1979)Watched it and enjoyed it, the animation is a bit dated and it's a bit slow paced but still really good. I'm planning on watching Zeta Gundam soon. >>221028176Dr Who is kino though
>>221027851You may them more enjoyable, but if you think any of these are more impressive than 2001: A Space Odyssey, you're an idiot.
>>221027851>tranny gate>GoodKys weeb. Also, anime scifi has been dead for more than 2 decades. So Japan, no longer does sci-fi well as well.
>>221027851Not a hot take though. I mean it´s true but everybody knows that.
>>221028572Why would you let anyone convince you to do anything? Bait.
>it's a Kurisu is kino thread
>>221028572>>221028644>no attention span for a slow burn anime like SGThis is just sad, the second half is a masterpiece of time travel fiction.
>>221028644>I'm planning on watching Zeta Gundam soonBrace yourself, it's a wild rideAlso zz is not optional
>>221028804>masterpiece of time travel fictionThe people who say this have never consumed any other time travel fiction
>>221027851>Stein's Gateromance visual novel btfoed by Back to the Future
fuck anime. Even when the concept and art are great, the storytelling usually still sucks. A classic anime move is to have a seemingly-great film gradually peter out until ending with a ten-minute exposition sequence. if you need to spend the last act of your film explaining everything, you failed at storytelling
>>221027851that's a rather unheated leftovers take desu
>>221027851Hot take: you will never be a woman or japanese
>>221027883Sounds like you need some heroin to plug you up to me
>>221027851Yes>Back to the Future>Matrix>Star Wars
>>221027851That's not a hot take, just facts.
>>221029268Unironically all worse than the anime you're comparing them to.Back to the Future is a campy 80s romp. It does not explore time travel in any kind of thorough or complex way like SG does.And Star Wars is lowbrow fantasy in space. Come the fuck on.
>>221027851Stein's Gate is more about the otaku subculture than science fiction. GitS and Gundam weren't doing anything that Western sci-fi novels hadn't done before that point.
>hurr hurr hurr in one timeline my girlfriend is a girl, but in one timeline she has a penisDid we watch the same show? I got a kick out of it, but it's pure slop.
I wonder if the guy who came up with John Titor knows an entire multimedia franchise in Japan was built off of his shitposts
>>221027851>I just like vm vibe with children's cartoons more than I do with people irl...so...like vm yeah
>>221029361Time travel was already sufficiently explored as a concept by Ray Bradbury's time. The best time travel story of all time is probably still The Time Machine by HG Wells.
>>221027851How do I get into mecha stuff? I've only seen EVA.
>>221029492You sound insecure.
>>221027851GattacaBlade RunnerInterstellar 12 monkeys2001 A Space Odyssey
>>221029512Watch Gundam 79. It's actually really good.
>>221029361>pretending any of these animus are "highbrow">especially Stein's Gate
>>221029512Evas aren't mecha they're kaiju
>>221029551Don't argue with Tranny Gate fans. They're mentally ill.
>>221029496Gotta be real desu, Doctor Who's Matt Smith run had a lot of fun with time travel shenanigans.
>>22102952912 Monkeys has the best kind of time travel.There are no other dimensions or butterfly effects or any of that convoluted shit that comes from trying to excuse changes. It's all a closed loop. They were in the past because they will go back in time, and they go back in time because they already went back in time. What happened already happened, and the past is the past.
>>221029559I'm starting to think you're the ones that are mentally ill for claiming some of the absolute slop you people are posting in the thread are better stories.
>>221029512Do super robots or real robot appeal more to you?Watch mazinger, goldrake, jeeg and daitarn for the former (mazinger has an alright 2009 reboot that should work as an entry point but I recommend going back to the originals too and develop an acquired taste for the quirks of the genre)For the latter check out gundam, macross, votoms and patlabor
>>221029361funny how the exact people who use media for status signaling (bro it's so COMPLEX it's so HIGHBROW i'm very SMART) don't have taste at all and end up defending random crap over enduring works of culture
>>221027851Ghost innthe shell is blade runner with tits and ass. Gundam is Starship Tropper (thr novel) with shiny colors, Steins Gate is just twelve monkeys with cute girls.Maybe you should read more novels and watch more films before jumping to anime, OP.
>>221029688Ghost In The Shell is much better.
>>221029614Better than Tranny gate. You notice how I don't have anything against GITS or Gundam? There's a reason tranny gate is mocked even on /a/.
>>221029688Stein's Gate isn't 12 Monkeys.They have completely different rules.
Reminder that tranny gate is hated even on /a/ they defend ANY WEEB SLOP.
>>221029723>Better than Tranny gate. You notice how I don't have anything against GITS or Gundam?Yeah because your taste is dogwater and anyone outside of this specific board on this specific website would be able to see it.
>>221027851GiTS is carried hard by the dogshit animation and awfully dated visuals, Gundam is too long and Steins;Gate has some serious pedo vibes.
>>221029614but star wars, back to the future etc are in fact better stories. it's just that being good stories has made them wildly popular so the type of guy that you are can't derive any satisfaction from liking them and you have to instead swear allegiance to schoolgirru pantsu hikokikomiko 7.
>western fags completely unable to cope with anime, completely mindbroken by itYou love to see it
>>221029813>but star wars, back to the future etc are in fact better storiesNo. You're a slopster.
All the true good scifi is novels, not any visual medium
>>221029704ghost in the shell is a big piece of nothing whose only value was the novelty of "they make cartoons in japan??" back in the 90s. pointless to watch it now.
>>221029884>a big piece of nothingThat's Blade Runner.
>>221029965blade runner is such "nothing" that all of japan has been ripping it off obsessively for decades, including gits. some "nothing."
>>221029842right, that's what i'm talking about. you don't know "stories," only status. the moment the word "slop" entered the lexicon half of culture on earth became unavailable to you because liking it opens you up to having the magic word used against you. a very sad existence, very womanbrained.
I think that has to do more with 4 quadrant marketing and the lack of respect for adult oriented non comedic animation. There’s lots of great American science fiction, it’s just all in books.
Western stories are usually better because they get to the point and aren't a bloated TV show. Anime is like all of those Star Wars TV shows. Then when it comes to the two big anime sci-fi movies from Japan with Akira and Ghost in the Shell both aren't great movies.
Real hot take: I like optimistic futurism/retro-futurism raygun type sci-fi more than gritty cyberpunk
>>221027851The Matrix is better than all 3 of those put together.
>>221029965>When you create a film dealing with humans and cyborgs, you have no choice but to refer back to Ridley Scott's Blade Runner, as this movie is probably the foundation of movies with this theme.- the guy who directed ghost in the shell
What’s that anime about people in a space station to as training to be part of something but there’s an extra person so they think someone is a spy. And one of the characters are from a planet where everyone has their gender reassigned.
>>221030190Among Us
>>221030190How old is it?
>>221027883You need to read Ulysses
>>221028129>Gquux was very goodgood in the tomino sense, or good in the good sense because these are 2 different things
>>22103021380s? Early 90s at most.
>>221027851I love anime, but I think what a lot of animefags do is compare the very very best anime to middle of the road western slop, which isn't fair because 95% of anime is horrendously awful. But the stuff that works is really really good.
>>221030250It's not good in any sense.It's complete shit. And the mobile suit designs are total ass, too.
>>221030250It's a happy tomino show that needed at least a two cour series to really shine tbdesu
>>221030307You also have to concede that humor is all “this guy eats a lot and acts like a little kid”. The funniest anime I ever saw was ongaku our sound. And that’s because the humor is extremely dry. Also the one scene in Hunter x Hunter where Gon is like “I know his attack patterns, I know the move he’s going to make before he does it” and then it cuts to black and Gon wakes up in the hospital.
>>221030413I think that sort of thing is especially prevalent in shonen anime that goes on forever, which I avoid like the plague.My favorite comedy anime are probably Mob Psycho and Konosuba. But I'll give some credit, even very gritty serious anime that I like tend to have a lot of solid comedic moments peppered in.
>>221029987Blade Runner is literally a direct knockoff of the Russian novel Meчтaют ли aндpoиды oб элeктpooвцaх, by Soviet author Филип К. Дик. If anything the Japanese are just riffing off old USSR sci fi.
>>221029987They're pretty different, lil bud.
>>221030071I feel like sci-fi was never really optimistic in the way people think outside of like the Jetsons.HG Wells' stories are all kind of dark. The whole dystopia subgenre came in almost immediately, with examples going back at least as far as the 20's. The pulp era was all about grizzled dudes fighting bad guys, or basically just taking the premise of sword and sorcery and including laser beams. You get to the 50's and 60's and now you have Philip K Dick writing about drugs, Asimov writing about robots creating class conflict and society returning to feudalism, Harry Harrison writing about over-population, Planet of the Apes etc.
>>221027851You could've replaced S;G with LotGH if you wanted to be taken seriously.
>>221027851Yes but I'm not spoonfeeding you.
>>221027942Lol. Lmao. Rofl even.
>>221027851so what are newtypes anyway?
>>221030607star trek
>>221029688The suits are inspired by Heinlein's power armor but that's about it. Totally different themes.
>>221030138Lmao Matrix is just a poor GITS Knock off
>>221030510yes, for example blade runner does not involve characters looking at the camera and going "THISU FIRMU VERY PHIROSOPHICARU" the way gits does because blade runner was made by white people capable of subtlety and not autistic gooks
>>221031039what Blade Runner really needed was a 15 minute exposition scene at the very end where Roy Batty explains the plot of the film to Deckard and completely clears the air of all mystery
>>221030972Star Trek is largely a meme too. If you actually watch it, half of the episodes are about monsters, space-Soviets, or some hellish anomaly the crew get trapped inside of.
>>221030607>>221031106>there being bad guys means that the sci-fi can't be optimisticHuh?
>>221031106so the whole show is about human spirit, cooperation, and ingenuity triumphing over a dangerous unknown universe, huh? sounds a little optimistic to me
>>221031018And the Invisibles
>ITT: insecure whitesThe japanese are just better at fiction
>>221031133>optimism is when nothing bad happens>pessimism is when there is an antagonist, or drama, or a dangerous situation
>>221031018nope, not in any substantial way. maybe a couple of minor visual elements. on a story level, the matrix is far more substantially indebted to eg the terminator.
>>221031137It's also about salt vamires.
>>221031158they're masters of fiction because they got so much practice re-writing their history books
>>221031158sure and that's why all their modern fiction is an imitation of western media that westerners like specifically because it's something they already know but slightly distorted
Hot take: anime fucking sucks and any creativity that may once have been present has been sucked out and replaced with tropeslop and pandering
>>221031196>t. Seething chink cocksuckerThe japanese are better than you, everyone reads manga and watches anime, no one cares about your dogshit comics and cartoons (or cartroons as I like to call them)
>>221029749absolutely seething lmao
>>221031211They take your dogshit and make it better and actually watchable, it is what it is, you're inferior
>>221031158the japanese are, objectively speaking, a defeated people. they are the ones feeling insecure towards their white conquerors, not the other way around. anime as a medium is an expression of that insecurity.
>>221031219please don't reply to any of my posts unless you've won a pivotal carrier battle
>>221031160Optimistic sci-fi would be "technology is going to make our lives great". Star Trek is only ever half that. A lot of episodes follow the basic formula of "you traveled into deep space, and you opened a pandora's box", or "you encountered something beyond your level of technological progress, and it almost killed you".
>>22103127299.9% of humans in star trek live in a post-scarcity technological utopia.none of the episodes are about daily life in the Federation because then there wouldn't be a fucking show
>>221031213at this point, pretty much. Anime was creative between the 60's and 2000.Now it's all prepackaged ideas, that come off a production line.
>>221031270You haven't won shit lol, all you do is consume inferior entertainment>>22103126Nope, they won the cultural war and wiped comics and cartoons off the map
>>221031237see, this is what insecure cope looks like. "no, actually we're obsessed with imitating you because we're BETTER." that's not how it works. kings don't feel the need to imitate peasants.
>>221031315And still mogs the piss and shit out of the dogshit the west shits out
>>221031308And then a Borg drone kills them, because sometimes technology goes too far.Star Trek is a truly neutral sci-fi show if anything. The idea that it's all about optimism is way over-stated.
>>221031337>he says as the french tried to copy anime with wakfu (and failed)Don't get me started on those Netflix shows either lel
>>221031344>And then a Borg drone kills them, because sometimes technology goes too far.they beat the borg. they even take on a borg crewmember and humanize her for the cultural victoryyou're stupid, man. stop talking
Anime makes normalfags seethe because it still has attractive women and isn't filled with woke bullshit
>>221031341That's because the West is in an even more advanced state of cultural decay. The production line doesn't even work anymore in the West. it just spits out brown sludge.
>>221031341okay, what modern anime "mogs the piss and shit out of the dogshit the west shits out" in your words?
>>221031358Sarah Connor beats the Terminator, and makes friends with one in the sequel. It's still a horror movie.
>>221027883God wants you to drink the pickle-juice.
>>221031362Literally any of them, also do I need to remind you that you're on a site dedicated to japanese culture? Lol get raped
>>221031382ah, so you're too embarrassed to give any examples. why are you giving such a strong defense to something you know is actually shamefully bad?
>>221027851Gundam is so shitty it's unbelievable. The TV series is borderline unwatchable in places.
>>221031354the french? who's talking about the french? i'm talking about the relationship between the american empire and their colony, japan. france is just another colony.
>>221031272>i'm going to present the most reductive and one dimensional definition of a subject to win a meaningless online debateFag
>>221031433Lol you're literally making anime (and failing) for the japanese with dogshit like the Netflix devil may cry and castlevania series. You lost the cultural war lol
>want to be like okabe in s;g >actually be like okabe in s;g0im never finding my kurise like this
>>221031315That's 90% of all media being made today
>>221029645>Do super robots or real robot appeal more to you?Don't know yet, probably real robot.
>>221031459You think there's no point whatsoever in having a discussion about Star Trek, on a television discussion board?I think Star Trek's "optimism" is over-stated. I think Gene liked to blow his own trumpet, and pretend his pulpy sci-fi show was something of a loftier caliber than Flash Gordon, which ultimately it kind of wasn't. >oh but there was a black womanSure. There was a whole majority black episode of the Twilight Zone. Things were kind of going in that direction.
Is there a good Gundam watch order? Is everything canon? There's so fucking much of it by so many different teams that I doubt all of it is worthwhile.
>>221027918Except the mecha genre which comes from Super Sentai which was influenced by Godzilla which is a pure japanese product based on the nuclear bombs
notice how whites (literally worse than jews) like to casually dismiss everything and yet still consume it at the same time like slop addicted subhuman addicts
>>221031729>as influenced by Godzilla which is a pure japanese product based on the nuclear bombsno lol. godzilla is a direct ripoff of "the beast from 20000 fathoms," a ray harryhausen movie that came out a year before the first godzilla and has the same premise, including even the nuclear connection. EVERYTHING about post-war japanese culture is a clone of something american. it was like a nationwide trauma response to getting their shit pushed in.
>>221032198>a movie that literally nobody has ever heard of and nobody cares aboutThey took your shit and made it better and now you're mad at them for it lol
>>221027851I've seen Hollywood action slop with better writing than Gundumb and Steins Gate.
>>221027942anon fate/stay night?
>>221031467right, this is exactly what is meant by cope. japan is an american colony incapable of non-imitative cultural output, but that's okay because this one time netflix adapted castlevania, a totally original donut steel game that's... a ripoff of american and british vampire movies. truly a smashing cultural victory for the japs.
>>221032513>says the one on a website with a whole section titled Japanese Cultureyou tourists are so insecure
>>221032257Nta but no one is mad at them. Its just that everything popular they do is derivative of the west. Koreeda might be an exception but how often do you hear of koreeda outside of 4chan?
>>221032257if we're measuring success by what people have "heard of" then obviously more people on the planet know about star wars or marvel than sukuru kokuru battle schoolgirl gumdum, so americans win again.notice how you have to keep switching copes? first it's "the japs are more ORIGINAL," then it turns out they steal everything from americans so it becomes "but they're more POPULAR," except they aren't more popular, either. they lose by all metrics. you know you're allowed to watch your gook cartoons even if they're not actually good or important, right? all of this cope is unnecessary. go watch the schoolgirl turn into a robot and be happy.
>>221032664>everything popular they do is an improvement to the shit shat out by the westftfy
>>221032689>go watch the schoolgirl turn into a robot and be happy.kek you are absolutely malding now.>more people on the planet know about star wars or marvelMore people on the planet know about how dogshit star wars or marvel is*
>>221032604yes, i explained this already, westerners love "japanese" culture because it's all just ripoffs of western things that are at once very familiar and yet strange because of errors in the copying process. "high-school drama but weird" "star wars but weird" "blade runner but weird" and so on. none of you weebs are going to read the tale of genji or whatever, you're just going to watch hideo kojima do slightly-off pastiches of hollywood. the relationship is clear: the japanese act as court jesters for their american conquerors.
>>221032723no, but really, why do you have to cope? why can't you just watch your gook cartoons even if they aren't the most popular thing in the world, or the most original? it's like you're more invested in convincing yourself that they're good than in watching them.
>>221027958Fourth post best post
>>221027851idk what steinsgate is about but starship troopers has mecs in it and I'm pretty sure ghost in the shell is ripping off some novel from around the same time. Gunbusters is ripping off the forever war.a lot of animes take inspiration from from some earlier work that you don't know about. Like a lot take earlier animes or japanese myths/novels as a jumping off point
>>221028001>2011 anime>bestlmao, broccoli hair thinks his flat ugly digishit looks good
>>221027851Tranime shills are so embarrassing.
>>221028176dr poo
>>221027851I've never watched any of these and I never will.
>>221027851Steins Gate is not scifi.It's a "cute girls doing cute things" slice of life harem romance show.GITS is complete nonsense but has really good music and art.Gundam fucking sucks.
>>221034989>It's a "cute girls doing cute things" slice of life harem romance show.clueless post, maybe you missed the part where there was a whole time travel story in there?
>>221027851>tranny;gate>mid in the shell>warslopdam
>>221027851you only watch anime, that's all I can conclude from this
anime better
>>221031729Super Sentai was inspired from the Jap Spider-Man series.
>>221027851Pic unrelated? Gundam is trash, GitS is a so-so Blade Runner ripoff, and I don't really have an opinion on Steins;Gate. Anime has some good Sci-Fi like LoGH, Pluto, Leiji Matsumoto's stories, and (partly) Evangelion, though its actual strength are Fantasy (especially Urban Fantasy), and Slice of Life.
>>221030190Lily Cat
>>221031213Not even a little. And it's not a hot take either; it's a populist shit take. Anime and film are doing quite well these days.
>>221031729Is this bait or something Super Sentai was created in the 70s by Shotaro Ishinomori who was originally one of Tezuka's assistants on Astro Boy which was published in the 50s How can the mecha genre come from Super Sentai when mecha manga was being published a decade prior? You're retarded. Actual mecha timeline: 1. Talos (ancient greek myth) 2. Astro Boy (1952)3. Tetsujin 28 (1956)4. Starship Troopers (1959)5. Cyborg 009 (1964)6. Kikaider (1972)7. Mazinger Z (1972)All of those are before Super Sentai. Why do "anime fans" on this board not know what they're talking about?
It keeps blowing my mind that Gundam is as big as it is. All they have is one good design and a good brand name.
>>221036853Tomino Gundam and G Gundam are good though, it's just the modern sequels that are complete corposlop
>>221031729>Godzilla which is a pure japanese product based on [Western invention]
>>221027851>creativity>look inside>isekai slop... but in SPACE
>>221027851Steins;Gate has no creativity. It's a ripoff of older better western time travel fiction with a bonus retarded main character added on top.
>>221036853People love giant robots
>>221027851Hollywood is creatively bankrupt, we know.
>>221037183Generally speaking, "some ordinary person gets pulled into an unknown world full of adventure" is a fun trope. That's what isekai is, basically.However, I absolutely hate the "reborn as..." shit. It's stupid and it's lazy. The only thing worse than that is the whole "I was transported into the world of a videogame" nonsense.
>>221029212Hilarious and original
Steins Gate is one of the worst things.
>>221028129>Gquux was very goodYou made it too obvious when you said this, you had me going for a second there.
>>221028176
>>221028202Gundam is less 'war is hell' and more 'war is human'. The anti-war message got stronger in the later installments but even they made a point of saying 'even though war is terrible and most people know it, people still wage war for a lot of reasons'.
>>221040674He's right about steins;gate being rancidly bad though.
>>221034989>It's a cute girls doing cute things slice of life.Shows you didn't watch the whole thing.It's one of the best examples of Chekov's Gun in action I've ever seen. Most of those slice of life scenes seem like irrelevant moefag masturbation material at first, but by the end of it they've pretty much all become important to the time travel plot. Even to someone like me who despises slice of life and moeshit, that made them acceptable because it brought purpose to them and made them a part of the narrative arc, rather than just being tacked on to pander to basement-dwelling losers.
>>221041115>one of the best examples of Chekov's Gun in action I've ever seenSteins;Gate's foreshadowing is some of the most unsubtle shit I've ever seen. It was so obvious how the story was going to end right from the first episode and not in a good way like a tragedy would do sometimes.
>>221027851Japs are good at coming up with creative ideas but hardly ever execute them well
>>221041730See >>221041115