Was it kino?
>>221037977Its an interesting but flawed movie. Impressive looking sets and a good cast but the story just isnt that great. worth watching once out of curiosity but thats it
>>221037977Very. Such a unique and creative film, there's nothing else like it. Great soundtrack, 10/10 art and set design, strong cast, mix of silly and dark humor. It's a very odd movie and I get why it flew under the radar and people didn't get it at the time, it's not an easy film to catagorize. Too dark to be a kids movie, too silly to be for adults, it exists in this netherrream.
>>221038037>but the story just isnt that greatthe story is great, but it's weird, they could had hidden the sister's secret better.everything what that millitary man said eventually become a reality.
>>221038083elements of the plot are interesting, but the end result just doesn't really work. Its the type of movie that sounds really cool and fun on paper yet its less than the sum of its parts
>>221038177I think the problem was the movie trying to say too much which left it feeling very confused. Is it mostly anti-war? Is it about losing youth an innocence? Is it anti-capitalism? Is it about family loyalty and who your "real" family is? It's just kind of all over the place.
It looks shit
>>221038224its all art direction and whimsy and thinking of neat ideas but then not having much to do with said ideas. this is the type of movie where the behind the scenes stuff about the production itself is probably more entertaining then watching the actual movie is
you gotta admit it was a bangerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyEqzK4kC84
There was a thread about it the other day LL Cool J is great in it i think it probably did a lot to make his career as an actor
>>221038051the closet movie I can think of to Toys is batman returns. came out around the same time, also too dark for kids despite being very silly and weird. also great production design and cast.
>>221038299He did a good job considering it had to be tough playing the straight man in such a silly movie.
>>221038299Its very odd that in this movie LL Cool J plays dumbledore's son and this movie basically predicted drone warfare as part of the plot
>>221038258Not even the biggest banger on the soundtrack https://youtu.be/AfdqDpRV9jI
>>221038311batman returns is easily one of burton’s best though. whereas toys is quite literally framed as a kid’s movie from someone who remembered that “children’s” media could be dark.
do kids even have toys anymore? It seems like its just ipads and other electric tablet stuff
>>221037977I remember watching this when I had the worst flu of my life, and drifting in and out of consciousness every 10 minutes and waking up to this fever dream of a movie. It was hell.
>>221038440kids under 10 absolutely still play with toys
>>221038258>>221038379for me it washttps://youtu.be/j-MAqVsOLFI
>>221038353Drone warfare has been on the table since the writing of the Geneva convention. it’s only viable now because of how they can still operate at 99% signal loss, so jamming isn’t a thing.
>>221038440>>221038450I would see it advertised on tv all the time as a kid but never saw the full movie. I spent many years as a kid playing with toys and keeping occupied using my imagination. It was fun.
I said this last thread, but one of the biggest flaws is that the themes of the movie were conflicting.The movie portrays a clear cut sense of good and evil between Leslie and Leland Zeebo where Leslie's factory is supposed to be carefree and wholesome while Leland's factory is supposed to be cruel and cold.But the problem with Zeebo Toys is that despite all it's colors and whimsy, the factory is still ultimately cold and inorganic. The set design is intentionally divorced from anything natural to a degree that its surrealism would be Kafkaesque in any other story. For as fun as the factory is supposed to be, all of it is so fake and pointless that you can't even blame Leland, a man who genuinely enjoys the outdoors, for being frustrated with it.It would make more sense if Zeebo toys actually felt like a wholesome place, but it's so modern that none of it feels sincere. And the plot never addresses it I feel like on at least a subconscious level, that's one of the reason people don't like it
>>221038464yeah I’ve seen the videos
>>221038498but they have kids controlling drone planes while looking through screens in this movie. thats basically what military drones would later become a decade later
>>221038509zevo
>>221038557My bad
No./thread
>>221038258How the fuck did they do that bit near the end with the sychronised RC cars driving around each other?
>>221038553A concept that’s been on the military’s mind since before television was invented.
>>221038587ancient chinese secret
>>221038329I don't know if I can call LL the straight man. Like, he pretends to be, but his character leans so hard into the absurdity that he literally dressed up as a couch.
>>221038593ok, whatever. leonardo da vinci drew up designs of tanks 400 years before they were made too. doesnt mean he invented the tank
>>221038553>>221038498>>221038083Ender's Game did it earlier and said it better.
>>221038587it was cgi.
>>221038625In ender’s game the kids were just commanding the ships, the ships were fully crewed.
>>221038625maybe. but that harrison ford enders game movie sucked
>>221038621It does, actually. The point is the Geneva convention specifically forbade automated warfare because countries were working on it.
>>221038653You're right, but drones and AI did exist, and the major theme of both plots is removing the action from the actual person controlling it to such a degree that even committing genocide would feel like it was only a child's game.
The scene where Robin Williams gives a speech to the old toys like he's George Patton or Shakespeare's Henry V and sends them out to battle against the high-tech military toys, I was obsessed with that scene as a kid and would watch it over and over and over and over again. I even lined up my own toys and gave them an inspiring general's speech like he did in the movie. Having toy wars sounds so fun
>[shit movie]>was it actually kino?I hate this place
>>221038661It was alright. It was a bastardization of the book, but I think it was genuinely the best execution you could do with the material in just 2 hours.
>>221038673counter point: nobody gives a fuck about the geneva convention. If you have nukes you can just ignore all that shit and nobody can do anything about it
>>221038733They do though. Hence why drones are being piloted by someone.
>>221038705I hate that the internet has done that specifically with the speed racer movie. Oh you know that terrible live action anime that looked like shit and bombed horribly 20 years ago? actually its the greatest movie ever
>>221038733The Geneva convention is supposed to exist in so far as society can still hold people accountable for their actions. It's supposed to be the line you don't cross before you go full Mutually Assured Destruction.
>>221038718Why bother setting a bar so low it can’t be tripped over?
>>221038765I thought people liked the speed racer movie when it came out. It bombed but I don't remember anyone outside of major weebs outright hating it.
>>221038765Speed racer is a legitimately great movie though. I’ve said that since it premiered. I kicked myself for not seeing it in the theater. But it regularly gets screened these days so yay.
>>221038705posters on 4chan have opinions that aren't mainstream, whoa who would have thought
>>221038767and yet countries ignore it all the fucking time. shut the fuck up about your gay swiss convention from 80 years ago!
>>221038770The bar *can* be tripped over. If and when they do try to remake it, they can and will make it worse.My question is if they can do it better. And I don't think they can.
>>221037977as a kid I thought it was cool
>>221038797No. If I want to wag my finger at people for doing something naughty then I will.
>>221038789The special effects are terrible. Whatever style its going for, I hate.
>>221038821it was going for unconstrained live action anime and nailed it.
>>221038798They’re going to have to dig a bit first.
>>221037977top tier kino. Not for everyone. Plot doesn't have a straight forward message, or maybe it was studio interference FOR it to have a message. I respect it for vibing. It helped reinforce a lot of machine phobias for me.
>>221038862anime is meant to be animated. not look like soulless cgi trash
>>221038901Speed racer was barely animated.
>>221038884How? What would you do to fix the movie? My biggest complaint is that they replaced Alai with Bean, and they made Bonzo's death seem a lot more accidental than it really was. Beyond that though, I don't know what I would fix with just 2 hours of material.
>>221038797But not in the capacity of building autonomous warfare weapons.
>>221038686That’s a completely redundant point because military training by default trains people to disassociate from the act of killing.
>>221037977I barely remember anything about this because I saw it as a kid and just liked the toy fight at the end. What was with the sewer demon?
>>221038992>PeopleChildren. The point is removing it so effectively a child can do it.
>>221039016It was an amphibious combat automoton.It was considered a naval ace in the hole
>>221039021Anon. Empathy is taught.
>>221039094Dude if you just want to talk about the automation of warfare, that's just Terminator.But the book was called Enders GAME, and the movie was called TOYS.You're ignoring really important themes that actually made these stories stand out
joan cusack was CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTE in this film
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>>221038943It would work better as a miniseries with valentine and her brother taking over the world via the internet.
>>221039160Moron the point is “drone warfare” exists to sidestep Geneva convention bans on automated warfare. Thus various nations have been trying to get it to work ever since.
>>221039184
this was a decent Toys thread before autists derailed the conversation rambling about the Geneva convention. SAD
>>221039356the movie didn’t predict anything. die mad about it.
>>221039212That's hardly the major theme of the movie. The major theme of both them is unambiguously why the Geneva convention exists in the first place, and it's been they're commenting on how easy murder becomes when you separate it from the person commanding it.
>>221039202You're probably right, but you're also effectively switching the medium from film to TV.Ironically, I think that Enders game was most prophetic about social medias effects on politics but I also think that's the part that's both the hardest to adapt and has aged the worse
>>221038943>My biggest complaint is that they replaced Alai with BeanThat part's not so bad since they never planned to make Ender's Shadow.Bean and Alai only really distinguish themselves in the parrelax novels.
>>221038943The biggest problem is changing Ender's motivation for destroying the bug planet. In the book he does it out of sheer frustration, thinking it's such a monstrous act that they'll have no choice but to kick him out of command. In the movie he's just "I'll try blasting them, that's a cool trick!" and is super happy to do it. Totally misses the point of the character and his growth.
>>221040048I started reading ender's shadow and went down that route instead of finishing ender's path. Bean wandering around Rotterdam and trying to survive the streets was more interesting.
Is the reason this thread is up because YouTube keeps pushing clips from the movie?
>>221040202No we're pushing clips to you because you come to these threads.
>>221040199Speaker of the Dead it's almost an entirely separate series entirely, and Card comes just short of saying it's basically it's own thing. He was originally making it as a stand alone but felt halfway through that the Speaker was too similar to Ender to ignore it and decided at kind of the last minute to match them up.Enders Shadow was done as a proper afterthought where it was wholely connected to the original novel and the Shadow series is effectively the real sequel.
>>221040160Kind of. Iirc, in the book he's still taking it as kind of a gleeful "Fuck you" to the command but doesn't start getting concerned until he realizes that no one is stopping him and worse, that the simulator never breaks under pressure
>>221039717The main problem with toys is it doesn’t have any major themes
>>221040870The major theme of toys is how automation can be used to engage children, be it for harm or entertainment, with a larger commentary that military folks are just bigger boys with bigger toys.
>>221040936why bother to reply if you’re just going to reiterate?
>>221041332Why bother to reply if you're not going to listen? Literally from the start, play off the inheritance like it's a squabble between little kids, they show Leland's fascination with destruction being a child-like fancy, Alstasia directly calls out Patrick's fascination with camouflage as just being an elaborate game of hide-n-seek, the fist fight between the generals is played out like it's a playground rumble, and if that wasn't enough the movie literally ends with Leland playing with toy soldiers. I don't know what you fucking want
>>221041468Toys didn’t have a central theme. Period.
>allegedly a movie whose set design and visuals are bespoke and unique to the point it's the main factor>talked about on an IMAGE board>88 posts (hh)>next to no screenies from movieI'm not saying you're all retarded faggots.
>>221042027No one has it downloaded it. It does have spectacular visuals. The shrinking room was a cool set design.
>>221041856Retard
>>221039757The battles on cgi were on point and so were the battle room in zero g. It was just like in my mind.
It always looked like a Terry Gilliam flick.
>>221037977I don't care for Robin Williams.
