Some individual elements are excellent, like Heath Ledger’s Joker. But the films as a whole have always struck me as BORING, pretentious, and pseudo-intellectual.The same goes for Zimmer’s "music". It’s just dull ambient sound built around a couple of notes. I can’t remember a single melody he’s written, except for one theme from Gladiator. Meanwhile, soundtracks by other composers, such as John Williams and Ennio Morricone, are recognizable from the very first notes.
Before any debate begins just be fully aware that you are completely correct and any dissenting views are merely devil's advocacy.
>>221044157Elevated mediocrity will always be most pleasing to the masses. That being said, if watching The Dark Knight Rises as a young teenager didn't make you want to be like Batman, Deshi Basara chant on full blast, then there's something very wrong with you.
Yes that's all basically true.
>>221044157WOW U ARE SO SMARTNOT LIEK THOSE NORMIES
>>221044714Seething normie.
>>221044157AgreeNolan movies are normie coded to their core, still decent slop thobeit
>>221044157so just dont watch his movies, i havent, i dont feel like im missing out on anything. easy.
>>221044820This. Much preferable to a ton of other things. Hollywood's PewDiePie, if you will.
>>221044157I used to believe he's some sort of visionary who has to dumb-down his work for the normies. Now I realize he's a midwit who makes midwit slop. And this should make it obvious why he's held in such high regard.But as far as Zimmer goes. I have no fucking clue. He stopped making actual music (like the Gladiator OST) years ago. That noise he put in DUNC might've been the sound of his farts mixed in Windows Media Player. Maybe he's just trolling at this moment, wondering when normies will realize.
>>221044876>That noise he put in DUNCSome of it is good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdlvgIFdNZU
>>221044897HAHAHA IT'S ALL 100% OMNISPHERE PRESET SOUNDS
>>221044157why Nolan and Zimmer are held*
>>221044849>Hollywood's PewDiePieCouldn't have put it better. I never felt more like an alien when him and Ray William Johnson were popular.
>>221044905>OMNISPHEREThis shit will live longer than society itself, a creation so based it surpasses time and space.
>>221044905It works, though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFQpQTrtSEc
>>221044968Ah yes I love extremely noisy samples in my sampler, terrible controls, far too many presets, being blown out by U-he/Serum in synthesis...It's okay for an all in one sound maker, that's all.
>>221044994You're a joyless husk and incompetent.
>>221044986Terrible combat choreography, illogical framing, and the music sucks. Shall not be giving my precious time to this franchise/book series.
>>221044157Normies like to feel smart
>>221044157I preferred Barbie when Oppenheimer aired.
>>221044157Zimmer is alright but nolan is your average to go pseud auteur for normies, his latest flick is a sure oscar bait with niggers on it
>>221044157OP is very smart. You can tell because he doesn't like popular thing.
>>221045088>WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH>THEY BEING MEAN TO NOLANSLOP>WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
>>221045075>Zimmer is alrightI'll never forgive FOX and the Simpsons crew replacing the show's composer with that hack for the movie.
Nothing will change the fact this hack was universally glazed for decades until he triggered the chudsphere who then suddenly decided his movies are bad now
>>221045021What a pseud you are.
>>221045088Nah, I reatlike dumb movies from the 1990s and Star Wars PT. Nolan is just non-enjoyable.
Memento sucks ass.
Inception put the seed of doubt into my head.The Dark Knight Rises made me understand that Nolan is a hack.
>>221045126>the chudsphereBut /tv/ mocked him since TDKR.
I could tolerate Batman Begins but the changing aspect ratios in TDK and TDKR really annoyed me.
>>221044157Zimmer is like Danny Elfman in they brought a sound that was really different and interesting. Then they started just imitating themselves after a while.
>>221044157Nolan is for normalfags so no big mystery there but Zimmer has done some good stuff. Zimmer's music in Black Hawk Down is really good.
>>221045072>woke toyetic shit vs overserious boring shit
>>221045126t. seething normie whiteknighting product-man
>>221045134>Star Wars PT
>>221045541Zimmer is not even close to Elfman. This thing alone beats all the Zimmer slop:https://youtu.be/YoaU3kRFvLg?si=1YpyI0cHLKU_HlJe
>>221044157>never understood why areESL cunt.
>>221044157>Never understood why are NolanThis is not a thread for smart people.
>>221044157whats THE WORST nolan movie?is it dunkirk?oppenheimer?or odyssey?>dunkirk i fast forwarded through 90% of the movie>oppenheimer, turned off halfway through>odyssey has 50% black cast, not even gonna pirate it
>>221044157Nolan switching to Ludwig Göransson as his go-to composer wasn't exactly an improvement. I don't remember hearing any memorable pieces on his score to Oppenheimer.
>>221044157>why are Nolan and Zimmer held in such high regardThey make stuff that "casual" film fans really like or love. If you don't "overthink" about Nolan flicks, they are fine and entertaining. If you approach them like a film nerd, as if he made the films with the artistic touch, attention to detail, and intelligence of a Michael Mann/Kubrick type director? You're going to be very disappointed. more or less. It's that simple. He takes a cerebral concept, splashes it on an outline, forces a few big actors into it, writes some half-crazy dialogue, films it dully, and Zimmer inserts ebic sounds. Wala! 1 billie$$$
Because you're a massive pseudo intellectual midwit that is projecting on the movies. They're held in high regards because they appeal to the mainstream and one must be an incredibly disingenuous retard to think Hans Zimmer has not written a lot of recognizable soundtracks.
>>221044986The Reviled Ridley did something akin to this 26 years ago and it looks 1000 times better, sounds much better too. Villenueve just sucks. I kind of wish I was just trying to be an asshole, but that just looks like a commercial (for god knows what) or a game cut seen. I wonder what the persons in the top of the arena think about the little dots down below playing with knives lol.
>>221045126>chudsphere who then suddenly decided his movies are bad nowTDKR was made FOURTEEN years ago. He hasn't done anything good in FOURTEEN years. And that's only if you like his pre-TDKR slop (I don't). *I think Dunkirk is okay. Some of the photography is too bland, but overall, it's an okay film. Looks about 209472 times better than Odyssey, dear god. We're going to get the Memes To End All Memes from the Nolandyssey, aren't we bros? It's going to be like a Meme Revolution. Well, if /tv/ weren't half dead, we might. It'll still be a fun month when this slop hits screens.
>>221046350You contrarian subhumans are so fucking embarrassing to see go on about your midwit nonsense.Both Interstellar and Oppeinheimer were great, Dunkirk was good and Tenet was decent. TDKR is if anything his worst movie.
>>221046432Slopeater
>>221046432>Tenet was decent
>>221046432>InterstellarBoring. >Oppeinheimer BORING!>DunkirkMeh.>TenetKek, really?
>>221044157Memento and The Prestige are good the rest I didnt care for
>>221044157As far as entry level directors go I always liked Nolan more than Tarantino, neither one is that great but at least there is more to Nolan's movies than over the top violence, swearing, basic homages and feet.
>>221045906I didn't say that. I just said he brought a sound to scores that people weren't used to, and they liked it.
>>221045958Tenet easily
he was a generational run with batman begins to dunkirkof course he sucks now but know he has it in him to make good movies
>>221044157Have said this for years. Nolan is a film school student hack who has lots of prestige that he can do his own thing without people tampering with it.He is selling his movies with 'ideas', not with competent storytelling, writing, directing - or whatever. This is how film students work, they have idea they think is million bucks.There's no interesting shot in any of his films, no good scene that builds into another, no interesting directing. His movies are full of amateur mistakes and baffling choices, he really does not know what he is making. His early films were his best easy.He's the director for midwits like Lynch, who is also 'idea guy', but at least Lynch provides some interesting visuals and he remembers that movies are AUDIO VISUAL.t. screenwriter
I really wonder if there is anyone on this board who remembers the campaign for The Dark Knight, that movie was truly massive and arguably one of the most influential movies of the last 2 decades
>>221044157>>221044412Hating on Nolan is the first sign of a wannabe letterboxd cinephile, let me guess I should watch some crap by French or Jewish pedos instead
>>221046650The prestige is kino though, but after that he's getting sloppy in direction and never bother to push the actors for better acting. The case in TDKR is the most blatant shit that Nolan didn't give a damn about acting as long as they spew the dialogue he wrote
>>221046749>let me guess I should watch some crap by French or Jewish pedos instead
I don't get why people rate Dunkirk so low, I thought it was a well made movie and it was nice to see him do more grounded films without any gimmicks
>>221047414>without any gimmicksThere were gimmicks, the fucker just can't help himself. But yeah it's the only watchable nu-nolan movie.
>>221046749>let me guess I should watch some crap by French or Jewish pedos insteadThat's a step up from ugly, grey and sterile Nolanslop, yes.
Zimmer peaked with the pirates of the caribbean soundtrack and Nolan with the dark knight
>>221044157Zimmerman deserves everything for having written Light for The Thin Red Line,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgsqdt5IdLYand for using the electric guitar (thought it was probably the second composer Johnny Marr) for Inception's theme at the end of the movie.https://youtu.be/XQPy88-E2zo?t=94That shit was nothing short of genius and single handedly proves the guitar still has its place in music despite young people veering towards edm and the like.
>>221047818Very unimpressive music.
I thought the idea of telling a story backwards was cool in Memento but it didn't really do anything interesting or memorable with it, unlike a movie like Peppermint Candy where you at least learn more about why the main character is the way they are the further you go back. In The Prestige, I kinda assumed he had a twin as soon as he appeared in the woman's apartment after being out in the hallway, that's simply not physically possible, and I was a little disappointed that that was a major revelation in the movie. The Dark Knight is still fun if you don't take it too seriously, it does have some great individual moments. Most everything after that is just crazy overrated midwit shit that's evangelized by boomer dads who think they're geniuses for watching something slightly more cerebral than Captain America (Inception, Interstellar, etc.). Also, as a German speaker, I had no clue he was trying to speak German in the classroom in that one scene in Oppenheimer, I assumed it was Dutch because it sounded so fucking weird (no offense).
>>221044157I said it once and ill say it again: TENET FUCKING SUCKED
>>221044157The only Zimmer tracks I remember is the Gladiator theme and Time from Inception
>>221047894Oh I can't help but disagree, on both songs, but that's okay friendo.
>>221045958Skipped Tenet.Skipped Dunkirk because I don't care for another WW movieSpipped Oppenheimer because I don't care about biopics (if I took interest into some historical figure I'd watch a documentary)Odyssey I'll never watch out of principle, on top of it looking like grey boring shit (I'll just rewatch the movie with Kirk Douglas for Homer kino)
>>221044157people believe that Nolan and Zimmer bring class their lives.
>>221046280>they appeal to the mainstreamAka the lowest common denominator
I watched Batman Begins a few months ago and I think it still holds up pretty well, it doesn't have as iconic villain as The Dark Knight but Neeson's performance was still really good
>>221046432Interstellar was dogshit and very stupid. kys
>>221047939No one is gonna come from the woodwork to defend Tenet of all movies.
>>221044157>The same goes for Zimmer’s "music". It’s just dull ambient sound built around a couple of notes.Picrel is super cool.
>>221046702TDK is good
>no one ever talks about InsomniaI thought it was a decent thriller and it was surprising to see Robin Williams as a villain, but I preferred the ending of the original movie with Skarsgård
>>221047939It was "Plot Holes the Movie" with the way they selectively handled entropy: some things/events went backwards like a gun shots, but obviously the punches and the kicks were never reversed in the fight scenes could that would look & be retarded and make no sense in plotting).He needed a better explanation & rules for how this plot device works because it just seemed to follow "rule of cool" rather than remain consistent and realistically annoying (for the audience) to deal with.
Millennials saw TDK when they were 20 and it was the most profound experience of their life so they had to uplift Nolan to deity status and also Nolanify all other media franchises to be as intellectual and grown up as TDK was for Batman.
>>221048150You had to be thereYou probably also don't remember the craze around the Matrix
>>221044157Well Nolan is a great director with only one sub 6/10 movie (TENET)And zimmer is the #5 greatest composer of all time behind...1. Williams2. Morricone3. Giacchino4. HornerSo it checks out OP
>>221048220>great directorHe is a lowest common denominator pleaser who made a handful of good movies tooZimmer had something years ago, but at this point he's just imitating himself and making noise
>>221044157>I can’t remember a single melody he’s writtenPirates you fucking retard.
>>221048558>Pirates you fucking retardnot showing up on youtube
>>221044157>Never understood why are NolanI miss when this board used to be smart.
>>221048108the boat scene at the end and the whole climax of the movie pissed me off and i dont know why but it just felt dry. the only word i can conjure is dry and that covers a lot of my disdain for nolan
>>221049207Predestination did it better with a better self-contained mobius strip ending payoff.If you're going to do a grandfather paradox loop movie, do it fucken right.
>>221049401>Morbius strip
>>221049500
>>221044157>the films as a whole have always struck me as BORING, pretentious, and pseudo-intellectual.Nolan’s films always struck me more as havin the presence of this then anything else while really just being slightly grittier Michael Bay movies.His hearts is in the big explosions and “epic” fight scenes but his head tells him he needs more then that to make a “””serious””” film so you get the odd>”Imagine if the government was lying to us in order to preserve civic myths and pass through necessary legislation” 0o0 moments.But then again as a starting place I don’t agree with you that the movies are boring, kinda dumb mind you and mainly geared toward preteen boys raised in conservatives middle American households but not boring.
Nolan made 2 GOAT movies (Memento, The Prestige) and then nothing but slop for 20 years. Unfortunately, those 2 movies were so good they've allowed him to maintain a high profile career ever since.
>>221044157You're right. If it wasn't for Foy anchoring down Interstellar with her performance the entire movie would have been a shit. Nolan is factually the most overrated movie director of all time. And Hans is the most overrated composer. There's no two people who are better examples to use for the term "overrated".
>>221045814Attack of the Clones is unironically better than most of Nolan's movies. So is Phantom Menace.
>>221050542TarantinoRidley ScottSpielbergRitchie
>>221046656Inglorious Basterds has more soul and is better art than Nolan's entire filmography. >>221050526I always thought Memento was Meh at best and shit at worst.
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>>221048220Goldsmith > Zimmer
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>>221050666None of them are as overrated as Nolan. Ridley Scott did Gladiator, Alien and Blade Runner. He isn't overrated. People don't name drop him like Nolan.The only person who is arguable is Tarantino but he actually can make good films and has a sense of humor.
>>221044157Nolan makes the normiest of normieslop. It's not hard to see why his films are popular. He is pretty hands off and lets the cast and screenplay do the heavy lifting, which usually works out okay. Zimmer I have genuinely no idea why he still gets work.
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>>221044157Spongy Henderson cleaned up my kitchen
The Dark Knight hasn't influenced jack shit cinematically btw it was a reskin of Heat
>>221050816ou're not alone on that, it seems like everyone feels meh on Skwonky Pid besides me. I dunno why, it has a great plot, great acting, great characters... I'd say its like a slightly, slightly less fucked up Vherzo. Tennis Cucumber is good too though.
Ficeed Faid"They wanted to deal normally, they just didnt know what normal was"Jason Statham Dileep Rao Chris Horner Elizabeth WinsteadThe International Banking cartel every day steals the lives properties and honor of the people every day. So how hard should it be to move in to the middle east and take over 1000 acres of oil fields? Economic hitman Marcus Mann (Jason Statham) and his tratorist companion Ahkbar Ulnami(Dileep) fly into dubai on a private airplane and are greeted by the CIA station officer James Jones (Chris) and are briefed on their target, the King of Saudi Arabia. Marcus sneaks into military bases planting propaganda of an invasion by Iran to destroy the United States confidence in investments. Which causes the stock markets to fall into a panic sending funds outside of Saudia Arabia and into Afghanistan where it is used to fund the poppy industry. Then they go to the King's Palace and present him with an offer the Saudi's cant refuse. Ahkbar notices that the King's Daughter(Elizabeth) was one of his childhood friends and a cat and mouse game is played by the ficeed faid.
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We are pretty badass for not liking NolanHey do you think we should start a clubThe NO NOLANS clubNO NOLANS allowed in our clubWe are the most badass club in Bombay
Ive only liked prestige and maybe some of first batman. Nolan has workshop, hes good from technical point of view, but didnt show anything beside being mediocre aaa director in the last +15yInception?Movie about dreams that ends up as a 1h shootout. So much stuff could be done in dreamscape, not only perspective shifts, people share the same elements, fears and things in dreams and almost none of it was in it.Intersetllar?Again, the movie couldve been so much more, but it was shallow when it came to showing xeno/space stuff. The ending was just bananas in the bad way.Tenet?Horrible movie, worst of nolans. I really cant think about any good part beside pattison.Nolan is taking cool concept, cosuming it with hollywood spam and delivering a smelling turd. Its stragne because those concepts are really good, like I see all the potential and how grand those movies could be. But unfortunetly hes a hack and hes gonna turn every good idea into slopy mess.
>>221051030The Odyssey hopefully exposes him for good for normies. But I won't hold my breath because some of them still say Tenet was good and they praised the hell out of his follow up Oppenheimer which is bland as fuck and bloated crap.
>>221044905>HAHAHA IT'S ALL 100% OMNISPHERE PRESET SOUNDS>>221044968I'm unfamiliar with Omnisphere. Is that the software he uses to make music?
>>221051099From what was shown its gonna be horrible. Ive been obssesed with mythology when I was younger, mainly egyptian, greek, norse, but I branched into mesoamericaz anatolia and so on. I remember how colorful and amazing oddysey was for me. Beside verns work like mysterious island, that story really unlocked my imagination.Its not even about helen being black foid, its about whole presentation.I hate nolan for starting the moce of making movies more grounded/realistic, it was fine for batman trilogy, but so many directors wanted to follow this trend for the next years.At least the trend is waning out, movies is magic, always was and should be, trying to make an art of realism always enede up in death of said art.
this thread is the most midwit shit ive ever seen on /tv/.i didnt realize /tv/ still had so many fart sniffers
he hasn't made a good movie in almost two decades
>>221044157He's made good films but I've never understood the ball sucking he receives from Redditors.
>>221051584Being a Nolan fanboy may be the most midwit shit ever
>>221050735Maybe what are 3 memorable scores/tracksAlso i feel like Backtraft is overlooked for zimmerhttps://youtu.be/ExrWQnQRfN8?si=4U75QEXPoxW6wLYp
>>221044157I thought zimmer doesn't even actually make the music anymore he just contracts people and puts his name on their shit.
>>221044157His movies do lack a certain kind of edge, like they all have a kinda bland, inoffensive flavor to them, but thinking The Dark Knight is boring is a truly baffling take. It's not as deep as redditors think, but it's a total thrill from beginning to end, except for the Hong Kong bit, that one drags a little.
