>cements itself as the best sci-fi movie franchise ever>inb4 star wars troon seethe
>>221054533*as the shittiest sci-fi movie franchise
Not even the best adaptation
>>221054533Check't and based
>>221054533>epic conclusionIsn't it basicly like a prolouge to the whole story?
>>221054666it’s the epic conclusion to this story
>>221054597You know we've reached peak contrarianism when you losers praise Lynch's Dune, when the man himself said it was trash.Villeneuve's movies fine. Great even. Stop getting your opinions from fucking /tv/.
>>221055000Lynch hated making it and hated the fake "director's cut".he's never made any statements about the theatrical release, I've checked.
>>221054688>one story ends..>another begins...many are saying this
>>221055024Still bad
>>221054533>Conclusion"I don't think so Moneo"
I stopped reading after Herbert's kid took over. Did the books ever finish? I know there's like a million Duncans.
>>221054666No. Its Dune Messiah, which skips ahead several years after Paul has consolidated his power. Deals with how miserable he is, how he's turned to fremen into a decadent people, and has the burden of oracular sight so every moment of his life is him just following the steps he's already seen. A conspiracy of the Sisterhood, the Tielaxu, and the Guild get together to try to get rid of paul, or gain some leverage over him. Herbet actually set out to right Messiah FIRST, but as he was establishing the setting, and putting the back story in there he realized the logical place to start the series with paul coming to dune. This is where they start bringing Duncan back from the dead.
>>221055121They eventually wrote Hunters and Sandworms of Dune, which was all allegedly based on a floppy disk they found that had Frank's notes for Dune 7. It is the literary equivalent of pic related. There is really no reason to read them, they're bad and dumb. I'll just spoil the ultimate conclusion of the books. Because I don't care. Duncan, the last tielaxu master, teg, and that group escaped on the no-ship at the end of chapterhouse. They get into unknown space, the tielaxu reveals that he has a magic capsul with the DNA of every single named character in the entire series (including OC donutsteel from their prequels). This includes paul. They go find the machine planet, which is run by the Laurel and Hardy Skynet retards from the prequels. They kill paul. But paul reverses his heartbeat so it sucks up all the blood that spilled out, and he reveals that Duncan Idaho is actually the double-super-ultra-mega-mega kwisatz haderach, and he controls the machines, and has magic powers that alter reality. Oh and back in the main universe. Duncans Waifu leads the combined honored maters and sisterhood to conquer the other half of the maters that rebelled. One of those bitches makes a retarded tielaxu scientist make super sand worms on an ocean planet, and so he makes Sea-Worms that have ultra-super-dooper spice inside of them.
>>221055237If this is real then I'm glad I stopped. That sounds like something you'd find on AO3.
>>221055121Herbert was intending on writing a sequel, but his wife died, and he went soon after, and only had unfinished notes. But honestly, chapterhouse is a perfectly fine place to end the non-ending fits quite thematically with the whole narrative of the series. Especially if you look at the series as the golden path. It starts showing you where it begins, with the stasis of the empire being shattered, goes with paul's rejection of it, and then to leto II having to pick up the slack, then it goes it god emperor where he's spent several thousand years stomping on the human face to specifically create a reaction, basically forcing humanity into a situation where killing a god and and venerating self determinism at the expense of safety and security becomes the path of least resistance. Heretics skips ahead even farther and you're seeing the consequences of the golden path. Chapterhouse is all about Darwe and the sisterhood in general FINALLY understanding what Leto II had been telling them, and they take up the mantle of shepherding the human race along the golden path. After that, the story ends, because the golden path is finally The Way. Leto II talks about how he avoided looking into the future, and especially the distant future because that would create another oracular trap, but he mentions he had to take a few short glances just to make sure he wasn't wrong. The whole glassing of Arrakis, they killed (almost) all of the sand worms, enough that the pearl of his awareness carried forward in the sand trout after his death, lost complete oracular control. After that you have a long period of time where there aren't enough worms to create the gestalt awareness again, and the universe is able to scatter even farther, equipped to handle anything they might find.
>>221055304They're all so dumb and lazy. Like the prequels, the sequels, and the inter-quels(?) all have a large cast of characters, and every chapter skips to a different character. Each chapter starts by giving you a complete "previously-on" style recap of everything they have done. Even things that happened barely 30 pages ago. By the end of the prequel trilogy I remember each fucking chapter being 90% recap. It was like every single chapter was Too Many Cooks, or the gift ship sketch. It felt like when you had to write a 5 page paper in highschool, but you only have 3 pages, so you just do every lazy trick you can think of to pad out each paragraph. https://youtu.be/N2gB03p44_4?si=FLyS1dOmIM2UxJ5t
>>221055121i always wondered what frank was thinking with 'actually there are space jews with the same traditions after 10,000 years on a colony ship'. we'll never know what his plan was because it was in his final book then he fucking died
>>221055765They explain the space jews as they're introduced. It was a secret society with maternal bloodlines that had learned how to stay under everyone's radar, and the only people who had sussed them out was a sisterhood with access to other memory that made a deal with them, they'd help keep them invisible and secret in exchange that ONE DAY they may need them to help a sister in extemis go to ground. Lucilla was on planet, being hunted by honored matres, and had the collected other memories of an entire sisterhood planet that had just been glassed. She found among them the daughter of the rabi who had undergone the spice agony and become a "wild" reverend mother like the fremen, and Lucilla shares her memories with her, and then allows herself to be caught and killed to maintain the space-jew's cover. The sections with the rabi and his daughter they cut to are just little vignettes about the dangers of dogmatic tradition and the irony of this dogmatic tradition existing because of an infinite adaptability to adversity that has allowed it to exist into the distant future where even the word "Earth" has been forgotten. As for why they end up flying off on the no-ship at the end, you could see it an ancient religion escaping into the unknown along with the oldest man (duncan), an the longest memory (the sisterhood), and the longest dick (teg).
>>221055411>paul's rejection of [the golden path]He never saw the golden path. He was precognitive but unable to alter or defy his precognitions. And hell, the golden path is just what leto II called what he felt was the ideal future for humanity, or at least the best one he could bring into existence. There’s a bit in god emperor where he is messing around with causality, being the butterfly that causes hurricanes, pondering different decisions and watching the timeline he called the golden path wink in and out of his precognitions.
>>221054533 I prefer Alien and Blade Runner. Phillip K Dick is right and Gnosticism is the one true religion
>>221055959>He never saw the golden pathHe did. Read the scene in Children of Dune when Leto II finds The Preacher in the desert. Leto calls him out on it specifically. Paul was too attached to his own humanity, and raised with those Atreides values that every fiber of his being rejected the ultimate sacrifice that the path required. Basically becoming a grotesque inhuman abomination that is going to engage in the greatest butt-fucking humanity has ever been subjected to in its collective racial memory. I'm also pretty sure his threshold moment when he saw his Jihad raging across the universe with or without him that he saw even something worse coming over the horizon on time and he was determined to avoid it at all costs.
>>221055994>Gnosticism is the one true religionThe duncan ghola was a trained Zen-Sunni philosopher in Dune Messiah which is just space Gnosticism.
>>221054666No, Satan. The second Dune book was clearly written as the conclusion of the story and is the only one of the books that really has a solid ending.Herbert was a hack for retconning the ending where Paul walks off alone into the desert to die.
>>221054597I own this movie great shit
>>221054597Am I fucked for wanting Paul to have banged his mother alongside Chanil? She aged like fine wine
>>221056403go play the dune porn parody VN
>>221056324It didn't retcon anything. There is a lot of classical influence in dune, and you can't have Oedipus Rex without Oedipus at Colonus. Paul is cursed by fate, he can't just die. Him going into the desert he was sure that he was free of his fate because his oracular vision was gone, but when he didn't find death as expected he was cursed to continue as a blind man in the desert waiting for his fate to finally catch up to him.
>>221055082I wanna rub that giant Clit
>>221055082>I TURNED MYSELF INTO A WORM, MORTY!
>>221054597It's amazing if you treat it as an artbook rather than adaptation of the story.It's a must watch for anyone who enjoyed the books even if it's a total failure of an adaptation.
>>221055082gross protuberance
>>221056502>It didn't retcon anything.NTA, but he's talking about the original ending where it's made explicit that Paul dies in the desert. Herbert changed the ending a few weeks before Messiah was published, probably at the urging of his publishers to keep the ending ambiguous enough that a sequel could easily be written.
>>221054533I'm a huge fan of the original book series and hated these movies. I doubt I will even watch this trash with Momoa and his ugly monster son. No fucking thanks. Casting him as Duncan was a terrible decision. If they did actually make more I guess he cannot handle the lead for a story like that. They would have to butcher it and turn it into an action movie so he can flip around and make stupid faces.
>>221054597The Dune miniseries is the best and most faithful adaptation.Amen.
>>221054533These movies are ugly dull garbage for retards
>>221054597Lynch Dune is like the Star Wars prequels. Lots of awesome shit in it and it looks great but if you actually sit down to watch the whole damn thing it's fucking dogshit and doesn't work as a movie on a fundamental level
>>221054533you have to be a queer to think Dune is good
>>221054597Inferior movie but SIGNIFICANTLY better casting. Chalamet and Zendaya are really noticably bad when they're sharing the screen with actual actors.
>>221054533I really enjoyed not watching the first two. I'm really really looking forward to not watching this even more.
>>221061319Buddy, id kill for Zedenya in the tv series. It just keeps getting worse and worse.
>>221054533Absolute fucking trash
>>221054533>troon seethe>when dune LITERALLY features genderfluid peoplelmao
>>221054533Disney and Kathleen Kennedy ruined Star Wars.
>>221054533its dishonest.
>>221059491No, SW prequels are shit.Lynch Dune is good>>221055000DUNC is shit, like any Villememe flick, and th cast makes it unwatchable.80s Dune is good.
>>221054533Anyone with a brain can see it’s going to end in the gayest fucking way possible with Chani begrudging killing Paul to push the evil Le white savior which seems to be the only thing midwits can pick up from Dune as a whole i guess. Tis a shame because book Messiah has the most best poetic ending for Paul as a character
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>>221063087Not stopping at the OT ruined SW
>>221061349>2 movies in and they’re already doing Star Wars tier spin off show slop I nor likely nobody else cares aboutVery Grim DuncBros.
Maybe I'm insanely autistic for this but I came away from Messiah jealous of Paul's oracular vision, but only because I find a very deep sense of comfort from the idea of knowing exactly how every moment of my own life is going to play out. No more surprisesIt's also the coolest part about the book that this resulted in his blindness not affecting him in any real way. He never actually needed them
>>221063762>He never actually needed themCongratulations retard, you didn't get the point of the book
>>221063801The point of the book was that Messianic leaders are very dangerous, not because of the leader himself who in most cases is there because of his extreme virtue and competence, but because of the power structure (the regular flawed human beings) surrounding that figure. With all the base sins that come with them. That's directly from Frank Herbert's mouth, by the way. I don't care what you think the point of the book is.
>>221054597Can't take Lynchbabbies seriously
>>221063836That's the point of the whole series. Messiah's message is about Paul turning away from a painful future and choosing a safe one, and how it destroys him.
>>221063863No it's the -point- of the first 3 books but it culminates in Messiah. What you describe is the literal -story- of Messiah that everyone understands. I thought for a moment you may have had an actual reason behind your reply but now I see you're just angry for no reason at me saying I think it's cool that Paul didn't need his eyes to react to events happening around him. lmaoHave a midwit spergout at someone else
>>221063952>I think it's cool that Paul didn't need his eyes to react to events happening around himJust admit you're a retard who thinks Paul being locked into one future is something cool rather than incredibly tragic, something that is LITERALLY said so multiple times in the book. It's like you would see Macbeth and your biggest takeaway would be "Wow he's so cool he got the throne!"
>>221063856>furiously typed the Dunc-tardYAWN
>Looks directly at you, the viewerNeed you more proof, of what Heaven's choice is?
>>221059176>Casting him as Duncan was a terrible decisionthis, from what I remember Duncan was supposed to be a swift and agile fighter and a suave talker, Momoa makes him come off as a dumb gorilla
