How did this character even get greenlit
I don't understand the thing where she blew up the enemy ship. Could all the ships do that the whole time? Luke's X-wing has a hyperdrive and a robot that can navigate. Could he have just hit warp speed through the Death Star?Why didn't anyone else ever mention that you could do that? Wouldn't you immediately build a missile that is basically a hyperdrive with a dildo on the front and shoot it through your enemy's reactor?
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>>221056995Peak Woke era
>>221057156>its a self insertwoah no way
>>221057156>astrologylmao
>>221057097They scrambled to explain it by her hitting the one in a million nanosecond where the shields are vibrating or cycling or whatever, but what it means is the "maneuver" 0 chance of success and without an act of god she would have just splatted against the shields like a retard
faggots and jews (they're the same)
>>221057298>retarded chud doesn't understand she was so brave she was willing to take that one-in-a-million chance
>>221057123Neck yourself, tranny.
>>221056995Isn’t hyperspace travel more akin to wormhole travel rather than just going really fast? Which means she wouldn’t have even hit themRian Johnson doesn’t even understand the lore
>>221057402Objects in realspace cast a shadow in hyperspace that will destroy your ship if you fly through it, which is something Han Solo explains in the very first Star Wars movie.
Because girls get it done, chud.
>>221057097Yes. Relativistic bombs are confirmed real. The Death Star and Star Killers are utterly obsolete. Program a druid to fly a shuttle at hyperspeed into your target and win every fight ever.
>>221057245Self inserts can be good if the person writing isn't a snarky cunt, and are able to actually project their own flaws onto their self-insert. Hemmingway and Stephen King are good examples (yes I know King is a weird creep, but Jack Torrence is a great way for him to showcase what a weird creep he is).
>>221056995>>221057156Somehow not even the worst thing about TLJ. Just decanonize the sequels already.
>>221056995The character was fine as written. The script fucked up by not having a mole on the ship that would necessitate some kind of opsec.
>>221057156>she's literally me
>>221056995There’s a book quote somewhere where she meets Leia and shames her for preferring human men instead of aliens
>>221056995How did an insufferable girlboss character get greenlit? Hmmm, I wonder...
>>221056995I think I speak for everyone when I say we NEED a 10 seasons show about Holdo.
>>221056995I think she's supposed to remind us of Mon Mothma
>>221056995I still don't understand why she pissed off chuds so much? Didn't say anything about gender, but somehow she was a "sjw feminazi" or something.
>>221058788Why didn't she tell anyone her plan and instead sent ships of resistance guys to get blown up?
>>221057097It begs the question, why not make missiles that do that. Why even build a death star when you can just stick a hyperdrive on space junk, point at a planet, and let rip
It was peak woke. Pre Covid.A different time. A better time. Before the chuds ruined the world
>>221057156>Astrology Did the retard mistook that meme with ASTRONOMY?
>>221056995This Laura Dern character isn't any worse than any other Laura Dern character. Was she that much better in Jurassic Park?
>>221056995It was a different time
>>221058788She looks retarded.
>>221057156brutal, mogged by Laura Dern.
>>221057656>Program a druid
in sci-fi and space settings there is an unwritten rule to not use FTL as a weapon because then you can't really tell a story about anything else but that.
>>221057432Yes, but how does that damage the other ship?
>>221056995>I thought when I read the script that Holdo would be wearing a uniform, so I did some uniform designs and showed them to Rian and he said, “Oh no, no, no, no. She’s flirting with Oscar Isaacs’ character, I don’t want her to be in a uniform, I want her to be unique and almost balletic.” He said, “I’d like to see her body and her body language, and her silhouette, and have her be more feminine.” So I started thinking about feminine balletic design, and something kind of Greek, which made me start thinking about jersey, and then I started thinking about Madame Gres. So that’s where that came from.
>>221060566Oh, and bonus content
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>>221057965I've heard that apparently in an earlier version of the script there WAS a mole aboard the ship, which would completely justify the Poe/Holdo tension. Then they eventually got rid of the mole angle... and then didn't alter any of the Poe/Holdo scenes to rectify this.
>>221058788Because she unnecessarily treats the hero (not just a random soldier who did a random good thing, but the Captain of their fleet that personally destroyed the latest Death Star) of the first movie like shit, while also letting numerous other Resistance ships die all around her while under her command due to her inaction, but the movie portrays her as the one being in the right... For reasons.
>>221060252>Was she that much better in Jurassic Park?Yes, she was. The preachiest she got in Jurassic Park was "You know, John, maybe making all these dinosaurs wasn't the best idea" which is, y'know, the entire point of the movie. And she doesn't, say, demote and belittle Grant for going out and rescuing the children.
>>221061944The entire mole thing is idiotic because they have FINN who is an ex stormtrooper right there in front of everyone so he'd be the first that gets investigated thoroughly yet nobody questions him like he's 100% solid nbd. Meanwhile Poe is treated like some suspicious entity for no apparent reason.They even have Finn go on a side mission and nobody really questions that either.
>>221058788She was incompetent, annoying, and supposed to have been vindicated by a complete asspul that shouldn't even exist. Really gets the noggin joggin to figure out why people might dislike her. But sure, just write it off as us hating her because she has a vagina.
>>221057298Didn't she cut through several ships, were all of their shields were vibrating
>>221058788Terribly written character, the "they hate her coz she looks like an she" was the studio trying to get ahead of the criticisms
>>221058788>general the first order are killing us what do we do>nothing>general please people are dying what do we do>nothing>GENERAL PLEASE>ok uh evacuate i guess? lol?>if we evacuate they will blow up all our ships, we will be sitting ducks, we need to mutiny and do something else>erm you dumb chud you didnt realize this was all part of my amazing plan of "doing nothing while people die then evacuate to a planet where we do nothing and continue to die and the resistance would've been crushed if not for luke doing a dumb asspull i had no way of ever knowing about" now watch me suicide bomb myself (which is hecking cool and based) but the darkie cant suicide bomb himself because he is a heckin malerino chuddyThis is like 70% of the movie btw
Honestly, if Holdo had just been revealed to be a villain, or at least portrayed as a severely incompetent dipshit (imagine a scene where she realizes she's way in over her head and starts acting openly cowardly, trying to escape via an escape pod and leaving the crew to deal with the First Order themselves, etc), I think we'd all like the character. She'd be a good Tarkin-level antagonist. But the movie INSISTS that she's in the right (and ultimately reveals that she was) and INSISTS that Poe is a childish ass for not immediately kowtowing to her vastly superior strategic skills (even though said superior strategic skills get roughly two thirds of the Resistance killed). That's why people hate her.
>>221058888It is like Ukrainian war.A Quadrocopter drones are known for 20+ years.But using them to stop armored assault first time happened in 2022, and it was very effective.So we can expect more relativistic weapons in SW universe soon, thanks to Holdo.
>>221056995women ruined star wars.
>>221058907>Before the chuds ruined the worldYou mean women, faggots, and jews.
>>221057298Couldn’t just explained it by saying “ the ship was a prototype with a newer version of the Hyper space engine that was decommissioned because too dangerous due to risking to ramming it into something and cause a mass destruction incident”?!It would’ve been a better explanation without breaking the lore of the setting, and even giving Holdo a cool moment where she turned a structural defect into a suicide weapon instead of “lol she actually rolled the super duper 100 nat dice and this allowed her to destroy the whole fleet because Force female and shit!”
>>221062751No because then the "why don't they strap similar prototype engines to asteroids and ram planets at lightspeed" question remains
>>221061999I mean, canonically there are changelings people that can shapeshift. It is canon since Ep2.Its weird they didn’t turn the whole holdo/poe subplot into “the thing but we are chased by the empire”. It would’ve been a cool subplot
>>221062775Just have the ship being a failed prototype and the republic (rebels) being in such a shit position after the First order (nu-empire) took over that they were forced to use the spare ships left, one of which was the modern prototype with a risky and suicide-possible engine.
>>221062816Anon, if that were possible the tech would be mass produced and turned into droid-piloted anti-capital ship missiles
>>221056995Literally me for abrasive middle aged women like the ones that control star wars
>"The Holdo Maneuver has such a low chance of success! It's really a one-in-a-million shot!"So? Put a droid in the pilot's seat. Make it a new droid so they haven't had a chance to gain a personality yet, thus avoiding any potential "I don't want to die" conundrums. Actually, hell, maybe having a personality would actually help them decide to do it, since then they can see it as sacrificing themselves for their friends/the greater good (K-2SO, 3PO in Rise of Skywalker).>"Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720 to 1!"You're telling me a droid couldn't do the math to make the Holdo Maneuver work at least somewhat consistently?
George left.
>>221057097You vastly overrate how much the people involved in theses movies care. They think they're just making slop they goycattle will buy no matter what so putting in effort is embarrassing
>>221061999Its not, it fixes other problems in the script. Like why they don't just take all three ships in different direction as soon as they found out they were being tracked, and gives them a reason to go on some secret spy mission. Also if there is suspicion on Finn, then it gives his friends a chance to stick up for him. Maybe holdo and leia treat Poe like shit too because its a perfect cover for why he would get mad and take off. And then you could still do a subversion, maybe kylo had backdoored into Leia's mind and had been scanning her for information. Just seems like a simple fix that makes the second act of the movie less stupid.
>>221060279it's Star wars. there's a talking fish man and the devil at the cantina. she's not even in the top 10 most retarded looking in the universe
>>221063248>maybe kylo had backdoored into Leia's mind and had been scanning her for information.Holy shit, "Leia was unintentionally/unknowingly the mole the whole time" would've been a fucking AMAZING subversion.
>>221056995>>221062481I would have loved the character if she had turned out to be the New Republic equivalent of Master Pong Krell. Instead she can do no wrong even when she is clearly doing everything wrong.
>>221063051You're right.
>>221058788>I still don't understandbecause you're retarded
>>221061914am I the 9nly one who wanted to fuck her so badly during the whole movie??
>>221065252Yes, Rian, you are.
>>221063022>"The Holdo Maneuver has such a low chance of success! It's really a one-in-a-million shot!"I love this cope explanation. It means she was just trying to run away.
>>221056995le womyn power globohomo agenda
>>221057882>Finn: "it's impossible to track thru hyperspace">literally the next scene: "I mopped the floor where the tracker is"christ
>>221065525How did they keep fucking up like this with Finn?>The Force Awakens>Once they're on the Starkiller, Finn awkwardly confesses to Han that he was only the janitor there>J.J. apparently forgot that Finn was literally introduced as a soldier on the battlefield
>>221065762Finn forgets his character arc 10 minutes into the movie when he blasts his former comrades while quipping with Poe.
>>221065851I recently tried to watch TFA and only made it in 15 to 20 minutes into the film.>He gets PTSD over seeing a single fellow stormtrooper being killed>10 minutes later he is hollering when blasting them from a TIE fighter>Some dude in charge said they were indoctrinated from childhood
the entire Disney corporation is run by dykes. This happens to literally every one of their IPs.
>>221065868>villagers getting shot, old man just got beheaded>ummm so who talks first, you talk first, I talk first? xDDD>STOP TAKING MUH HAND
>>221058788Chuds literally can't handle a strong woman character who's competent. It's that simple.
>>221066005>I'll take "Stock Responses to Anyone Who Says They Didn't Like 'The Last Jedi'" for a thousand, Alex.
>>221057156I think she means "matriotic".
Women empathetically self insert. That means that they deeply relate to a character based on certain superficial characteristics, and then inhabit that character emotionally. That’s why women care more about characters being the same race as them, or being customizable in vidya, or whatever. It’s how they prefer to enjoy stories in many cases. Therefore, good things that happen to female characters are more directly felt by women audiences. They are inhabiting the character directly on an emotional level, so if the character is rich, or pretty, or powerful, that is direct appeal.Men logically relate to characters. They relate to characters based on the degree, to which they agree with them, the degree to which they are similarly motivated to them, and the degree to which they find them interesting or entertaining. However, they don’t inhabit the character most of the time. Since the connection is logical and not empathetic, they tend to view the story from the protagonists perspective, but things that happen to the protagonist are still generally perceived as happening to a different individual. In action series, the main character is usually powerful and skilled and handsome. James Bond, for instance. In a romance series directed towards otaku, however, the appeal would be substantially harmed if audiences saw the main character as superior to them. By having meek, middlingly attractive, main characters that the audience feels superior to, even though they receive female attention, it gives the impression that the otaku could as well, seeing as he is superior. A male otaku that views a more handsome, more rich man get a girl in an anime feels jealousy, not victory.
>>221056995>HowStep 1: Have a production company (Disney) fully owned and operated by jews of far-left ideologyStep 2: Ownership appoints like-minded far-left executives (Kathleen Kennedy) to manage the various departments Step 3: Executives hire like-minded far-left writers (Claudia Gray, etc) to create characters who are a corporal manifestation of far-left ideologyStep 4: Writers work with far-left directors (JJ Abrams) who are eager to push far-left ideology into their workWoke DEI ESG was peaking when The Last Jedi was being made. It's a relic of a time that no longer exists, of which the world in general has since roundly rejected such far-left ideology and fringe insanity.
>>221066236This reminds me of this study that was done with children and how they play with toys that I read about a while back. Boys play as their toys whereas girls play as themselves. Meaning, if you give a boy a toy of a previously established character, like Batman, then the boy will start "playing Batman," saving the city, fighting the Joker, etc. You give a girl a toy of Batman and suddenly Batman is hanging out with his friends, going shopping, having tea parties, etc. Boys make themselves the character, girls make the character themselves. There were exceptions on each side, of course, but this was pretty consistent overall.
>>221056995The thing that's really frustrating about this character is I like Laura Dern, and feel she deserved better if she was going to be in a Star Wars movie.
>>221057156>no matter how arrogant, was a determined and patriotic womanHoly shit
>>221056995It was more like a tentative "gangs away"
>>221065851>Finn forgets his character arc 10 minutes into the movieThat is the problem with all the characters in that movie. They all have decent enough stock characters as they were introduced, but that gets jettisoned immediately, and everyone just becomes comic relief that falls ass first from one plot point to the next without any real agency.
>>221066059>Chuds in charge of accusing others of "stock responses" when all they have is "you are seething" or "you are a tranny"
>>221067382We all know what you are.
>>221067382Are you alright, anon? Are you responding to the right people?
>>221062935Droid unions are against that
>>221066427>remembering names of w*menWho does that
>>221067382women ruined star wars.
>>221069395Droid unions are immoral. It's Anakin and Sheev, not Anakin and EV-9D9!
>>221066820and a good friend
>>221069395The techno union speaks for itself>hard to say goodbye plays
>>221057156She didn't create the character or write for the movie
>>221069502>The techno union speaks for itself>hard to say goodbye (DJ Mescal edit) | 2019 remaster | PixelChix remix (best quality 1080p) plays
>>221056995You have to actually have somebody in a position to press the red light for something to be greenlit.
>>221058788Her portrayal on screen is just confusing to a viewer.She was an unlikable asshole to the main cast for some reason that does not make any sense, then was the depiction of smug, then she got just about the entire resistance killed. Leaving viewers to wonder why the hell she was included at all as the smug dick that killed everyone.
>>221058788leftists have destroyed entertainment.
>>221058788>I still don't understandSure you do.
>>221067512>Projecting your trannyism onto othersJust accept yourself already.
>>221069714No, I don't know how the incel mind works, so I don't know how a minor character who shows up for five minutes can mindbreak people to the point where they're still seething about her 9 years later.
>>221056995Women
>>221069768Whatever you say bro
>>221063022>holdo maneuver was a low chancewhy were the people on the supremacy so scared then? also there is another holdo maneuver visual at the end of TRoS so they did it again despite being "one in a million" but JJ couldn't help himself
Inspired by AVGN's wife.
>>221056995It was an act of force chud, you are no true star wars fan if you don't get how her character works.
>>221070144>why were the people on the supremacy so scared then?To be fair, it probably would've been bad for them even if she'd just normal-rammed them.
>>221056995What was always weird to me was they already had a strong female character who could fill the role of rebel commander in Princess Leia. Instead they choose to have her be in a coma the entire movie while this rando nobody cares about takes center stage.
>>221056995This was a cascade of failures. Several writers, script editors, consultants, actors, director, producer, execs...there was plenty of opportunity for people to speak up and say "hey...this character is stupid".The entire trilogy was handled worse than a fucking student production and I will never understand why the fuck Disney spent so much god damned money to acquire an IP and then immediately shit out a series of film with, apparently, NO thought put into any of it. Episode VII wasn't fantastic, but it set up a story (albeit essentially a retread). The fact that episode VIII was able to essentially undo everything that was established in that first film was fucking stupid especially because then there was an expectation to finish off the trilogy somehow. Holdo was a stupid fucking character with dumb motives that were clearly set up so there could be a twist "gotcha", but her character was just one awful decision in a string of awful decisions. In the pursuit of making money, it seems like everyone forgot how to write a fucking basic-ass story.
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>>221057402It rammed into it just before entering the wormhole
>>221056995I hate Laura Dern as an actor and a person because of this movie.>noooooo it's the character, she just played the character!She had the option of rejecting the role.
Because it was important to show how women make great leaders.
