Why did it bomb?
>>221071545Too much water.
Fatigue
>>2210715451.5 billies isn't a bomb. It was the only thing worth seeing in the theater in all of 2025. Made way more money than star wars too.
>>221071545They had another one out??
>>221071850Cameron is having trouble getting the next one greenlit due to the failure of Fire & Ash. It didn't make any profit for Disney.
>>221071545we tried to warn you about no cultural impact
>>221071850It's estimated that Way of Water made a profit of about $500 mil.Fire and Ash grossed $800 mil less than it. It may or may not have been profitable, depending which Hollywood accountant you ask, and how the partially shared budgets of the two movies are counted etc >>221071868Avatar 4 and 5 are still on Disney's release schedule, and it's not really up to them anyway. They are the distributor, not the main production financier, and they don't own the IP. The uncertainty seems more to do with Jim wants to do at least one non-Avatar project before fully jumping back into it
>>221071545Too much fire.
>>221073801>Jim wants to do at least one non-Avatar project before fully jumping back into itGood, the only interesting thing about this franchise were the visual effects in the first one. Just move on and do something new.
>>221074664Avatar 5 sound like it will do something like a reversal of the fish out of water dynamic of the first movie, where Neytiri goes to Earth and has to adapt and discover all of that for the first time. Possibly using a live action "human avatar" etc. To me that's interesting enough to want to see the full vision be completed and concluded
James Cameron is senile and should be euthanized.
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>>221074852>Jake dead>Neytiri in a human Avatar navigating a dark, polluted, rainy, neon, dystopian Earth on a mission>she gets jumped by a gang of cyberpunks in an alley and her human avatar is rapedI'd watch it
>>221071545If transplanting yourself into a fake na'vi is that easy why don't they do it with all of humanity.Also realistically they would have already kidnapped thousands of them and turn them into na'vi sex workers
>>221075218The recombinant thing is only done with dead soldiers. It's touched on that it's understood to be merely a copy of the mind of the original person, who remains dead. It lacks continuity of experience with them.On top of that, avatar and recom bodies are slow and expensive to grow. It would be another huge bottleneck on top of how you can't fit very many people in a spaceship at a time
>>221071545It didn't bomb. Everyone involved made money.What it failed to do was make enough for a 4th film to be a sure thing, and with something so expensive to create producers want a sure thing, especially in this economy.
>>221075218>why don't they do it with all of humanity.Except for some toxic chemicals in the air that can be filtered out, Pandora is fully habitable for humans. Other planets lack atmosphere to block radiation, are too hot/cold, or have no biosphere. Why mass produce cat people if it's already as close as it gets to Earth 2, it's cheaper to mass produce air filters
>>221071545No movie since 2024 has made $450m domestically, and there's almost no chance that anything will except Spider-Man and Doomsday and those aren't guaranteed either. Expensive tickets or streaming competition or fewer theaters, either way the market changed
>>221071545Theres no way that shit made 1.5billionI didnt even know it released, and I dont know anyone who saw itIs the studio just buying tickets to their own movie to inflate the numbers or what?
>>221071545We live in a world where if a movie isn't part of a franchise from the 80s critics will hate on it reflexively.
>>221075899Like really the Critical Drinker's entire argument for why the movie was bad was "It's not Warhammer" and Nostalgia Critic hated it because it wasn't Terminator
>These movies are so fucking big that 1.4 billion isn't enough to secure a sequelWhat the FUCK.
>>221071545All he had to do was to make a different movie whan the 2nd one but there's maybe 30 minutes of that in the whole thing.
>>221073801they filmed both movies at the exact same time I think so re; production costs fire and ash probably costed basically nothing on top of way of water apart from marketing
>>221076047>Way of Water bad because it's just the first movie but with a new tribe >Fire and Ash bad because it revisits old locations
Cameron's refusal to show uncensored Navi boobie nipple and pusy
>>221076070Fire and Ash had a 3 year stretch of expensive post fx work all to itself after Way of Water came out, plus some amount of reshoots, rewrites, and other various mangling to where you can tell it differs from the originally intended vision in a way that its predecessors don't. The two productions and budgets overlapped but we don't know how much.
>>221076243yeah but probably fire and ash costed a lot less than way of water considering a large amount of shooting costs and I assume pay for actors etc being absorbed into way of water costs
>>221071545Because WoW hate was astroturfed and carried over to this one, the similarities also didn't help. With that said I thought it was very good albeit slightly worse than the previous one.
>>221074852>Avatar 5 sound like it will do something like a reversal of the fish out of water dynamic of the first movie, where Neytiri goes to Earth and has to adapt and discover all of that for the first time. Possibly using a live action "human avatar" etc. To me that's interesting enough to want to see the full vision be completed and concludedHonestly sounds pretty based.
>>221071545Pic unrelated
