MASSIVE over-correction from Man of Steel
>>221073781Stop watching capeshit and grow up
>>221073805fpbp, especially considering you crybabies got FOUR movies with a perfect superman already
>>221074063>Cavill was a perfect supermanLolLmao, even
>>221073781Movie was ok. I really liked Superman and Lex Luthor themselves they carried the movie
>>221074115i was obviously talking about picrel you dumb piece of shit
>>221074063Superman 3 was absolute garbage, and so was the fourth But yeah Reeve was a damn good Superman
>>221073781A more hopeful Superman was needed after Sneederman, Homelander and Omni-Man.
>>221073781that's what happens when you let quirk chungus write and direct your movie
>>221074345Quest for peace is a top tier so-bad-its-good movie. Cannon never disappoints.
>>221073805/threadfuck off
>>221073805fpbpmake a capeshit and star wars containment board already
>>221074426Maybe I'll give it a rewatch at some point. It did have some funny moments.3 was genuinely boring AF and I'm never going back to it
>>221074504>charming return to Smallville>Richard Pryor>the only actually enjoyable evil Superman ever>Clark ending up with Lana who loved him for himself instead of Lois who just wanted Supermanyou have shit taste desu
>>221073781Jewperman and the poop joke gang
>>221073805OP got sent to the shadow realm with this one.
>>221074651Most boring movie of all time next to Mickey 17
>>221073781It alright
>>221073781Nah, halfway through watching the movie, I realized how I was enjoying it so much more than Man of Steel which felt joyless and unengaging from beginning to end.The film has its issues, but it felt like a godsend for DC tbqh.
>>221074425>admits to not liking the character and knowing nothing about him so he just makes Guardians of the Galaxy again but with Superman characters>everyone loves it
>>221075684Only upper-class liberals loved pedoman and it was mainly to stick it to Trump
>>221074115Cavill was ideal and Snyder did a good job. I’m not a jeet and I generally don’t like capeshit but this needs to be said.
>>221075822Cavill is too short to be ideal and he's not a particularly good actor. Corenswet is a better actor and he's taller but he's cross-eyed and an obvious looks down grade from Cavill. Snyder understands Superman as poorly as Gunn. Clark Kent doesn't work at bars and he doesn't throw temper tantrums and smash dudes trucks. Kent doesn't yell at Lois in interviews, he doesn't get his ass kicked by his own damn dog.
>>221076118I haven’t seen the new one but Cavil came off as stoic and aloof, I’ve never read the comics either but that’s how I’ve always imagined a super human alien to act, but what did he do wrong in your opinion?
>>221076237The fact that you need it explained to you that Superman is a nice guy from rural kansas and not a Saiyan warrior makes me think you aren't from an english speaking country.
>>221076427I’m from rural Kansas you jackass.
>>221075531That’s funny. I had to take a break about half way when Clark and Lois were talking in the apartment while there was an alien battle outside because it felt like a parody of Superman. It’s also funny to me how many “Superman fans” that loved this movie weren’t even aware Supergirl existed despite having a TV Show, a movie, and a prominent role in the cartoons prior to this movie.
>>221076564I see the confusion. In the 1930s when the character was written, kansas still had good and smart people in it.
>>221076866Are you trying to gatekeep Kansas at me?
>>221073781>>221074206but who has a chiseled body? who's the strongest superman? Henry Cavill
>Hear for ages that this superman is "SUPER comic accurate guys">Watch movie>He's a bumbling retard like Starlord that has um loads of ah uh um stuttering and uhhhhhhhhh "#relatable" stuff peppered throughout his uh dialogue when he's Clark in private or Superman as if Gunn forgot that Superman's bumbling Clark persona isn't how he actually is>Re-read all the comics that supposedly inspired the movie because I haven't read them in the better part of a decade>He doesn't act like this in any of them either I'm convinced at this point that people harping on about "comic accuracy" are just zoomers who watch youtube videos and skim wikis
>>221078082Snyder did a great job, i could watch this all day. His body is extraordinary
>>221073805fpbpbodied that manchild
>>221076427He doesn't act like a kid from rural kansas thoughHe acts like a east coast jewish theatre kid larping as a podunk white kid from kansas
>>221074115He was
>>221076118>Cavill is too short to be ideal and he's not a particularly good actor.I remember watching him in the man from uncle and wishing he had a better director on superman who let him play his character like an implacable lantern jawed super-hero.
>>221076118>Clark Kent doesn't work at bars and he doesn't throw temper tantrums and smash dudes trucks.Straight from the golden age and John Byrne's reboot.
>>221078082Which Superman actor has the smallest hands? Henry Cavill
>>221078088>>221078510>Straight from the golden age and John Byrne's reboot.>I'm convinced at this point that people harping on about "comic accuracy" are just zoomers who watch youtube videos and skim wikisI wish they would just say they prefer Donner's version instead of exposing themselves as people who don't really know anything.
>>221078732this was a great story, wish the JLU adaption did the entire thing
>>221078088 I can see the For All Seasons inspiration in the new superman
>>221078732Most people are completely unaware about Superman comics. Snyder didn't "misunderstand" Superman, like most of them say, Man of Steel is literally a massive love letter to John Byrne's 1986 reboot and the subsequent eras where the character started being written with actual narrative weight and seriousness.If you know your lore, the heavy sci-fi Krypton, the birthing matrix, the service robots like Kelex, and the genetically pre-determined society, that is all pulled straight out of Byrne's The Man of Steel and World of Krypton minis. The shift to a more serious, hard sci-fi background for Krypton actually started taking root back in the Bronze Age, but was crystalized with the Byrne's reboot of 86', and Snyder just finally brought that evolution to the screen instead of rehashing the Donner crystal aesthetic.As for working at bars and wandering around? Read Mark Waid's Birthright. Or Earth One. Or literally any post-Crisis origin filler up through the 2000s (like Superman #710). Clark spending his early twenties as an off-the-grid drifter, taking odd jobs around the globe while secretly saving people, is hard canon.The truck smash? That is a 1:1 homage to the Golden Age edge of Action Comics #1. The original 1938 Superman was a brash champion of the oppressed who routinely destroyed the cars of domestic abusers, mobsters, and bullies to teach them a lesson. It isn't a "temper tantrum"; it's the character's foundational DNA.Even the heavy, mythological seriousness of Cavill's Superman visually and tonally pulls from Alex Ross's works, where Clark is treated with god-like gravity. Snyder straight up references certain pages and panels.
>>221073781Man of Steel was also a massive overcorrection from Superman Returns. Which in itself was also a massive overcorrection from Superman 3 and 4.
>>221078088Generally whenever people say "that happened in the comics," they have never actually read a comic.People who read comics have the comics as a medium they already enjoy these characters in, and so are actually less likely to bring up accuracy when it comes to adaptations. Like with Moon Knight. I'm a huge Moon Knight fan, and so I know the show was a very different take on the character. But that didn't really bother me.You have some morons on the internet saying that the new Supergirl is 'comic accurate; because it's a lose adaptation of hwo Supergirl was in one non-canon maxi series written by a man who's known for never writing in character.
>>221079081Since we apparently need to break down the actual tape, here is exactly where Snyder pulled the movie's script from. Man of Steel is a visual encyclopedia of post-Crisis canon.The Genesis Chamber and the sterile Krypton:John Byrne's The Man of Steel #1 (1986).People whined that Krypton wasn't full of colorful Silver Age science-wizards. Read Byrne's reboot. Snyder lifted the entire sociological structure of Krypton straight from the 1986 canon. Byrne established Kryptonians as a cold, clinical race that found biological reproduction repulsive, instead using "gestation matrices" to engineer children for specific societal roles. Snyder even included Kelex, the exact service robot Byrne designed.The "Black Zero" ship:John Byrne and Mike Mignola's World of Krypton (1988).Zod’s prison frigate that he turns into a terraforming WMD is called the Black Zero. That isn't a random sci-fi name Snyder pulled out of a hat. In Byrne’s World of Krypton mini-series, the Black Zero was a radical terrorist organization fighting during Krypton's clone wars. Their final act of terrorism was detonating a weapon that destabilized the planet's core, ensuring Krypton's destruction. Snyder adapted this deep-cut 1988 lore by turning Black Zero into the ship that physically attacks the Earth's core with a gravity beam.The neck snap:John Byrne's Superman #22 (1988).This is the ultimate filter for casuals who claim "Superman never kills." In the literal climax of Byrne’s defining 1980s run, Superman is faced with General Zod and his rogue Kryptonians after they genocide an entire universe, inside a pocket device. With no Phantom Zone projector and no super-prison capable of holding them on Earth, Superman makes the agonizing choice to execute Zod and his lackeys using a Golden Kryptonite. Snyder didn't invent Superman making a desperate, lethal call to save humanity from Zod, he adapted the most consequential moment of the entire John Byrne era.
>>221079081Snyder did put in a lot of visual references to the Superman comics, to the most iconic panels and whatnot, but he completely abandoned the core thrust of the character.Snyderman was never a journalist, he just randomly gets hired without going to college, his goodness is depicted as being mostly from his Kryptonian side/something he's predisposed for rather than being from his Earth parents (which is a huge part of John Byrne's reboot of the character)Personality-wise, Snyderman never acts like Superman. Superman is a pretty fun-loving, almost care free person. He's tough, but always friendly. Especially in the John Byrne post-crisis interpretation of the character I mean how can we pretend that Snyder came from a love for Superman and his mythos when he kills Jimmy Olsen, one of his most important supporting characters, off in BvS?I get not playing with the comedic and fantastical side of DC that Jimmy Olsen has represented, but in the 80s-2000s Jimmy was just Clark and Superman's friend. And let's not even get into what Snyder did with Batman, completely butchering that character into an unrecognizable form, and what his plans were for Wonder Woman before Patty Jenkins saved her for the 2017 movie
>>221079317Redhead Lois Lane:John Byrne's The Man of Steel (1986) and the late-80s/early-90s Superman titles.People actually cried that Amy Adams didn't have the iconic raven-black hair, claiming a redhead Lois is a "betrayal," but when John Byrne rebooted the character in 1986, he and subsequent artists like Jerry Ordway and Dan Jurgens frequently colored Lois with auburn/reddish-brown hair to give her a more distinct, modernized look. Amy Adams' casting and styling is a direct visual callback to this specific era of the comics.Jonathan Kent’s "cynicism" and paranoia:John Byrne's The Man of Steel #1 (1986) and Mark Waid's Superman: Birthright (2003).In Byrne's 1986 reboot, the very first time Clark uses his powers publicly to save a spaceplane, Jonathan Kent doesn't give him a cheesy pat on the back. He is absolutely terrified, warning Clark that the government will hunt him down and dissect him like a frog.Furthermore, in Birthright, Jonathan and Clark have massive, screaming arguments about Clark embracing his alien heritage. Jonathan is paralyzed by the fear that a xenophobic humanity will reject and destroy his adopted son. The protective, deeply conflicted Pa Kent in the movie is ripped straight from these modernized origins.The drifter phase and the "S" meaning hope:Mark Waid's Superman: Birthright (2003).While Byrne briefly touched on Clark operating in secret, it was Mark Waid’s standalone Birthright mini that really codified the "drifter" era. Clark traveling the globe completely off the grid, working odd jobs, and keeping a low profile to figure out humanity is hard canon. Birthright is also the exact comic that officially changed the "S" from a simple family crest into the Kryptonian symbol for "Hope." Snyder put that directly on the screen to establish Clark as an active, philosophical beacon.
>>221079387>and what his plans were for Wonder Woman before Patty Jenkins saved her for the 2017 movieZack Snyder wrote the story together with a comic writer for Wonder Woman, not Jenkins.
>>221079468Oh yeah, right.Jenkins was the one who wrote 1984 along with Geoff Johns.That's a movie which I think I'm the only fan of.Yeah the 2017 WW movie was great, definitely the best of the DCEU. Snyder did a good job there. Gave the character an epic quality and aura that she needed and deserved.
>>221079387Did we even watch the same movie? Or read the same Byrne comics? Literally every single point you just made about Man of Steel and the post-Crisis canon is backwards. Let's break this down:>Snyderman was never a journalist, he just randomly gets hired without going to collegeLois Lane, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist who knows his secret identity, literally vouches for him and pulls strings with Perry White to get him the job at the end of the movie so he can "keep his ear to the ground." Furthermore, when she is tracking him down, she explicitly pulls his fake aliases and mentions his fabricated employment histories. He isn't uneducated, he is an off-the-grid drifter intentionally avoiding a paper trail.>his goodness is depicted as being mostly from his Kryptonian side... rather than his Earth parents (which is a huge part of John Byrne's reboot)This is the exact opposite of the movie’s plot. The entire point of the Kryptonian society in Man of Steel, which is ripped directly from John Byrne's The Man of Steel, is that they are a sterile, eugenics-based society where people are genetically predisposed to their roles and lack free will. Zod is a monster because his Kryptonian genetics force him to protect Krypton at any cost. Kal-El was the first natural birth in centuries, meaning he was a blank slate. His empathy, his restraint, and his morality are 100% a product of Jonathan and Martha Kent raising him in Kansas. The movie beats you over the head with this.By the way, the CIA spook who gets shot in the desert in BvS was just using the name "Jimmy Olsen" as a cover identity. But more importantly, if you were paying attention, Man of Steel already introduced a female version of the character to fill that exact role at the Daily Planet: Jenny Olsen. She serves as the young, eager junior staffer/intern working directly under Perry White who gets caught in the Metropolis destruction.
>>221079515Yeah, what that anon is probably referring to is a brief period when WB executives wanted to add a rape subplot to Wonder Woman’s backstory, since it was a major part of her canon origin after the 2011 reboot, heavily influenced by Geoff Johns, which she disliked. She never blamed Snyder for that, as he and his wife actually worked to protect her from the executives’ overreach during her time there. For instance, they both supported the director and Gal Gadot when Joss Whedon began suggesting he would interfere with the Wonder Woman sequel.
>>221079578That was bad too, but I was thinking about how the original idea for Wonder Woman in the DCEU was to have her be even older and have fought in damn near every war, at least as far back the Crimean War, and have a whole plot about her being a whore who takes lovers and ditches them as they grow old and she stays young.
>>221079767Oh, that. Yeah, that was a pretty edgy take. He was basically turning her into Xena.
