This was tasteless and maudlin
dr who and van gogh to most reddit things combined
wasn't as vomit inducing as tennant and the olympic torch, but yes it was extremely fake and gay.
It's fine for kids but an adult finding it meaningful is just belying their simple-mindedness. Apply to all of Dr Who if you like.
>be Jo Bonger-van Gogh>your schizo husband kicked the bucket leaving behind over 600 useless paintings >fuckmylife wtf do i do with this nobody wants to buy them>spend over a decade campaigning with one other painter and an arti critic untill his paintings become popular using his tragic life as a selling point >become rich there were probably thousands of dude like him and they were forgotten by time because they were better businessman so they actually sold their paintings instead of keeping them in the attic
>>221105973I cannot achieve orgasm without extreme sexual violence.
>>221105973Doctor Who is a show aimed at children, this was meant for them, not for you. They could have done without the "he killed himself anyway tho"
>>221105973I subscribe to the Theory that Van Gogh was accidently shot by one of the kids in town that was autistic about cowboys and said he attempted suicide to keep the kid out of trouble.
>>221105973>shitmerilards still cant pronounce Van Gogh to this day
The Doctor takes Steve Irwin to see his daughter's wedding just before his death.
real Van Gogh would be like "what is this bullshit lol" and then get drunk
>>221106143Is it go or goff?
>>221105973I hate new doctor who but that scene was great. Whoever hates is just a sad sad person. Probably a pseud poster too.
van gogh fuck yourself
>dude this tortured artist would have really loved to find out they are widely beloved and acclaimedI don't know. For some this may be true but I think the truly great had other motivations. Reminds me of that story of Beethoven and Goethe walking together and when some duke showed up Goethe went to greet him while Beethoven walked away pretending he didn't see him. When Goethe asked him about it he said "There are hundreds of dukes but only two like us". I don't think such a man would have gone all weepy eyed knowing Chinese kids 200 years later have to practice Für Elise all day. Rather the opposite.
>>221105973It was nice, and it's a rare thing to see tv give credit to a historical redhead. In general, I literally cannot imagine a show now giving that level of pathos and respect to a White historical figure at all. They'd have to undercut it like "but he was totally racist and actually his paintings were secretly done by a black guy". I mean, this is the same show that a few years later depicted Issac Newton as a fucking indian. I'll take any respect to Whites in tv that I can get.
>>221106167Vincent Vanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
>>221106189As an artist I would buttfuck Doctor Who to death if he did this to me
>>221106189lol Beethoven shouldn't be so stuck up, Brahms mogs his ass raw. 9th sucks.
>>221106189Don't think you can compare Beethoven or Goethe to someone who was shat on his whole life and died thinking he never amounted to anything. Hate to be that guy but is just something the ordinary person can't comprehend, like being an outsider to the extreme and the kind of suffering it causes.
>>221105973it was ok
I remember back in like 2012 people would talk about this online as if it was one of the greatest, emotional scenes ever filmed
>>221106271Maybe girls on tumblr but these have all trooned out by now
>>221106271it was the end of the world, we were all a little emotional
Gogh seeing his success is dismissive of his suffering and of him continuing his work despite having no success.It's like the writer doesn't understand the concept of doing something for its own sake.
https://youtu.be/HWayL5NBH80>Take all your chances while you can>Never know when they'll pass you byhaha yeah, don't let life pass you by anons...
>>221106167Neither
>>221106143weet ik
>>221106167Same sound you make when you hock a loogie, which is 65% of all dutch sounds.
>>221106167Goch like Heckler and Koch. It's a town in Germany where his ancestors came from.
>>221106189That story is definitely fake.If Beethoven did that, then he would've had much more difficulty in finding patrons to fund his musical experiments.
>>221106080Did she receive the ear or was her husband permanently scarred on behalf of another woman
>>221106189People with major depressive disorder struggle to find meaning in anything, including their own lives, having the force of will to do art anyway despite motivation not existing for them as a neurochemical process is a very rare thing for people with the condition. A person like that learning that they do mean something to people centuries after what they believe will be an ignominious death would break them emotionally.
>>221106243You're not an artist.
>>221106438how the fuck does it sound like Heckler?
>>221106080>>your schizo husband kicked the bucketWasn't she married to his brother?
>>221106574I have generated thousands of masterpieces. No, you may not see them, meanie.
>>221105973I take issue with overly emotional scenes like this. It feels exploitative. Like the opening scene from Up
>steal from japanese paintings and just plasters dozens of layers of paint>noooo why nobody buys my paitints!Van Gogh is the biggest scam in art from the XIX century
>>221106654All artists steal
>>221106575he means like when a heckler says you have a small cock
>>221106654Van Gogh's paintings literally look nothing like Japanese paintings, not even one bit.
>>221106761Van Gogh family imported several japanese early XIX century drawings and he took them as reference, doesn't have to be the same thing but did he use them for his basis as a painter
>>221106814That’s called research and developing a discipline
>>221106814>>221106761>severalHundreds, that was an important part of his brother's business (that financed Van Gogh's NEET life).https://historiamag.com/van-gogh-and-japan/He copied a bunch of them entirely, and he copied composition and color from others.Impressionists in general were copying Japanese stuff because it was flooding Europe at the time.
>>221106438So gock?
>>221106814>artistic autist is a weeaboowoah that's so shocking.
>>221106092Based
>>221106876Goch
>>221106964How do you pronounce Goch?
>>221106143I don't care
>>221106979Slightly raise your tongue in the back of your mouth and push some air out (as if you were retching at the thought of a tranny or something like that). That's the sound that the -ch makes.
>>221106979The way it's spelled, which Americans are incapable of due to being inbred and too Jewish.
(((Van Zog)))
>>221105973Why isn’t he considered an incel?
>>221107642He was
I think it was shallow and pedantic
>>221107674I agree shallow and pedantic
>>221107685He can be pedantic he can be pedantic
>>221107685I agree as welll shallow AND pedantic
>>221107702here's your meatloaf honey.
>>221106217I am against revisionism in any form in tv/film, but I still fear that you are mindbroken
>>221108457We've seen exactly that kind of revisionism for a decade or more, it's not mindbroken to expect a trend to continue. You shouldn't try to gaslight people, it's an evil thing to do to another person.
At least reddit loved it
>>221105973It's pulpkino, but not anything more imoSo many time travel related media miss out on the opportunity for good pulpy fun because they treat too much of history as sacred, untouchable, controversial, etc., or they lack imagination.
>>221105973My mom doesn't watch dr who at all but LOVES this scene on youtube and made me watch it like it was gonna change my life
>>221106565not knocking depression as a condition, but did he not have practical problems?what the hell is 'no, i MUST have my art, lest i suffer'? wasn't he poor? what about food, etc? friends/lovers?
>>221108973He did, which makes it all the more impressive that he still found time and energy to do art. Can you imagine such a person living in abject pain and misery still being able to see beauty in the world? A lot of people now can't even do that, depressed or not.
>>221109032maybe i am looking at it from a modern perspective (we CAN sit around and do nothing - even 'couch potato' feels almost cultured now).but some health/mental problems just feel universally human, divorced from any culture or time period. if you had put this dude in a factory all day, maybe took away his access to booze, would he have been more content with life?
>>221105973You faggots always post this pic but i never know the context. I know its from dr. Who so I assume van gogh is at an art gallery and sees that his art is actually appreciated and he cries a manly tear of joy because all he every does is get depressed and cut his ear off and stuff.Am i close?
>>221109089Nah, he was definitely fucked in the head, not the meme modern version of depression or schizophrenia where you're just a little sad or a little paranoid. He was well and truly fucked, he frequently had hallucinations towards the end of his life and would go into deep depressive episodes, it was fairly well documented by those who knew him and he wrote about it in letters, but it can't be confirmed because it was the 19th century and nobody gave a fuck about mental health back then. You were just crazy, if you were dangerous you were locked up, and that was the end of it.
>>221109108https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jjWtUpqV9wprepare to become slightly gayer
>>221109108>van gogh is at an art gallery and sees that his art is actually appreciated and he cries a manly tear of joyYep. Doctor Who pops him forward to 2011, then pops him back in his own time where he expresses a renewed vigor for life, Amy goes back to the gallery in 2011 expecting to see history changed and new paintings to have been made only to learn that he still killed himself in the end and that their actions had no lasting effect. It was a pretty dark message.
>>221109108yeah it's that. whole saccharine speech where the curator talks about how Van Gogh was, to his mind, one of the greatest painters who ever lived. 'wait...was that...?!' moment.it IS sweet and the actor does a good job, but once the twee factor wears off, you start wondering why the fuck they don't do that with every historical figure. as if the time travel show has rules against it, or something.
>>221109253>>221109236Idk sounds like a decent scene. Maybe a little heavy handed but idk why people here deride it so much.
>>221109236>he still killed himself in the end and that their actions had no lasting effect. It was a pretty dark message.laffin. to be fair, they actually did this a couple of years earlier with the Phyllis J. Fry episode.
>>221106080ThisVan Gogh's paintings are aesthetically deficient compared to what was being produced in the salons. The inheritor of his estates were just good business people who took advantage of the growing Western middle class and their desire to acquire arts, but who also lacked the classical education to distinguish between good art and bad art.
>>221109303we're nerds obsessively deconstructing a children's show that leaned too far into cheap emotional gimmicks over the basic mechanics of cause-and-effect/storytelling.so yeah, we're probably wrong i still blame the writers, you can satisfy the robot-brain crowd AND the homosexual feels crowd.
>>221109370>who also lacked the classical education to distinguish between good art and bad arthttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/RCQhSnov8Jc
>>221109303>but idk why people here deride it so muchYou know why, most anons here are deeply cynical and find displays of emotion, hope and vulnerability repulsive, so they lash out.>>221109332Similar but not quite the same, she killed herself to preserve the good parts of future history that depended on what was supposed to be a tragic death on Mars, that was noble sacrifice. Van Gogh's death wasn't affected or changed in any way despite his last scene where he says he's a changed man, he still just committed suicide, the date of his death hadn't even changed. It was by far darker I think.
>>221109370>Van Gogh's paintings are aesthetically deficient compared to what was being produced in the salons. what makes you say this?art is subjective and all that, i can identify when a painting is more true-to-life but picrel has a feeling to it. it's like when a song is catchy.Pablo Picasso's pen sketches of nudes are outright terrifying. like seeing a vulva on an acid trip. go search, have fun.
>>221109370>the growing Western middle class and their desire to acquire arts, but who also lacked the classical education to distinguish between good art and bad art.Ah, but a working class joe like you is of course much better positioned to make these distinctions.
>>221106237Kek
>>221109506>You know why, most anons here are deeply cynical and find displays of emotion, hope and vulnerability repulsive, so they lash out.you damn well know autists CAN write solid stories. they're probably "over-represented" in science fiction novels and TV/film. you don't need empathy to write characters.
>>221109581I didn't say autist did I? I said cynical.
>>221106979Like gooch but smaller.
>>221105973Reddit unironically thinks this is one of the best scenes in TV history.
>>221109596i damn well know you meant autists.
>>221109858>let me tell you what you meanThe hell I did, fuck you!
>>221109650go on then: what's the 4chan hivemind's top TV scene?
>>221109877;_; sorry anon i have neuro-logical problens.
>>221109906The venn diagram of autism and cynicism on 4chan isn't a complete circle though I'd argue it's pretty damn close to a circle, that's why I said cynical instead of autistic.
>>221109885Where did I say anything about 4chan?
>>221105973Tasteless idk, maudlin sure. It was a different time. I only recently found out the episode is written by Richard Curtis (he of the classic 90s-2000s romcoms), no wonder the character interactions are so good
>>221109991the moment you brought your Reddit vs 4chan interwebs wars into the thread.in a fair poll, 4chan's/Reddit's/eBaum's/wherever's results would end up about the same. 'i am the one who knocks' and all that.
>>221109650What are the best scenes in TV history anyway?Roy Batty's death in Blade RunnerMaximus telling the Colliseum "There was a dream that was Rome" in GladiatorGomer Pyle's murder suicide in Full Metal JacketRipley's "Get away from her you bitch!" in AliensThe stargate's first activation in Stargate (1994)
>>221108973He was fully financed by his brother and never had to work a day in his life, he was just "helping" him with his print business occasionally. He had many friends in the impressionist circles, but he wasn't really good enough of a painter to get anywhere with his stuff. Lovers, yes, brother paid for prostitutes, and it is speculated that some of them were of the boy variety (like from the group of local boys that shot and killed him eventually).Dude was just a pansy ass NEET who didn't want to get a real job and still lived a thousand times better than any "poor" person in that day and age.
>>221110189>He was fully financed by his brother and never had to work a day in his life,why is this always the twist?for all the nonsense surrounding J. K. Rowling and Harry Potter nowadays, people forget how the tabloids spun it as a rags-to-riches story. she was just miserable following a break-up, hanging out at her brother-in-law's cafe. it's all romantic to be a 'starving artist', but that's not something us plebs can do.
>>221110066Except I didn't make this Reddit vs 4chan. If I said this at my house in casual conversation, am I making it Reddit vs my family?
>>221105973Oops, posted wrong image
>>221106092I guess you get it from your mother.
>>221109527>what makes you say this?He has eyes? Van Gogh was objectively a very poor artist.
>>221110262>how the tabloids spun it as a rags-to-riches storyAll things are relative, she went from middle class to a billionaire, middle class people might as well be in rags to the perceptions of a billionaire.
>>221110429Said anon on 4chan, in contradiction of basically every learned and credentialed art critic of good repute in the entire world.
>>221110468Klimt is king
>>221110289maybe if your family were 4chan. living in the 4chan house.
>>221110289Forgive my presumption, but I doubt your house is a venue where people convene for the specific purpose of discussing film and television
>>221110468Oh, well if the ART CRITICS say he was amazing, he must've been! He painted like fucking shit, dude. Hitler was better.
>>221110518Ok then what if I said this in a public forum at a university
>>221110538Yes, the field dedicated to the perusal and critique of art mostly agrees that Van Gogh was a good painter. Thanks for not bringing up bad modern art to discredit actual art critics, I know that took restraint.
>>221105973why is stathis borans crying
>>221110581You know nothing of art, which is why you default to the opinion of "experts". You can argue the subjective nature of art all you like, Van Gogh was still objectively third rate in basic technical competency.
>>221110641You're a schizoid contrarian, which is why you default to the opposite opinion of anyone familiar with a subject in literally any field. If every one of those critics suddenly agreed that Van Gogh wasn't that good after all, (You) would become his most ardent defender and proponent. Don't even try to deny it.
>>221110571are you in the /tv/ class wearing your 4chan uniform?
>>221110670No, I'd agree with them. There are plenty of lauded artists I like, Van Gogh just isn't one of them. I also couldn't give a shit about the Mona Lisa, I bet you consider that "art blasphemy" too.
>>221110746>tell him not to deny it>confirms he's a contrarian by denying ittsk
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>>221105973Dr. Who is abslute drek and I cant imagine how anyone other than a 5-11 year old specifically from the 1970s finding anything enjoyable about it.
