If a film made by AI is of good quality and affects people emotionally, why is that bad? Shouldn’t arts purpose simply be the effect it has on people and not how it is created? A sunset isn’t human but it still has emotional value.
Is the AI able to grasp the emotions its conjuring in me in any tangible way? No, because to an AI, all reality is virtual. The emotions it is able to elicit out of you is no more "real" to it than 0 or 1.
>>221123011Why is it important for it to grasp the emotion? Isn’t the emotion you feel in reaction to it real enough?
I wish people would stop whining about AI and just let it happen already, its all over anyway with Hollywood, lets just see where it goes
>>221123011>grasp the emotions its conjuring in me in any tangible wayWhat does that even mean. Define "grasp".
>>221122964Not saying AI can't be entertaining, but AI isn't art dude. AI is a service that makes something for you, with little/no input or craftsmanship on the human end. Prompters are delusional cultists.>>221123052Fuck off Raj. AI wasn't ever necessary for Hollywood to die.
>>221122964Hey man are you retarded. Genuine inquiry.
>>221123354Art is a reflection of the human experience. If AI prompts can elicit this, and in turn elicit meaningful human reaction to it, how is that not art?
>>221123372>Art is a reflection of the human experienceYeah from the artist. There is a reason people correctly identify slop as soulless. Prompting does not make you an artist no matter how much you wish it to be or whatever the reaction is to whatever the machine spits out.
>>221123052do you smear your ass with left or right hand after pooping
>>221123408I’ve never made AI art but I wonder about the visceral reaction it against it. Isn’t art just anything created in the context of art? You can accidentally spill a glass of milk, take a picture of it, and contextualize it as art. Prompts are created by humans with a purpose.
These people have AIDS(AI Derangement Syndrome)It makes them utterly insane
>>221122964ai can't make a reproduceable stream of material for more than 15 seconds
>>221122964No point in asking stuff like that. The ultimate conclusion to this debate is to agree to disagree because the sides involved, those for and against AI, want different things and have different core values.What you're talking about stems from the idea that the whole point is consumption. You get your product and you consume it. Here its quality is all that matters and as long as that quality is simulated as close as possible to what otherwise given by another person you get what you want. AI achieves the goal.Those against AI don't only care about quality, and even quality itself may be judged differently. Here there's value in the idea that the thing that resulted from the process, be it painting or music or whatever else, comes from a person who has lived their own way, learned things throughout their life, has become something that's a collection of a lived experience and which translates into whatever method they want to express themselves in. Then there's also the matter of disagreeing with what people would need to sacrifice towards furthering research and development of AI (data centers and whatnot).It'd be a miracle to convince either side to change their mind. Someone against AI wouldn't abandon all their values to only care about the quality just to consume product. Someone who only cares about consuming won't suddenly care where it comes from. People try to argue quality cause it's the only possible common ground. One side cares about it as mentioned while the other tries to fight them on their grounds hoping that if people for AI lose it then they have nothing else.
>>221123408>There is a reason people correctly identify slop as soullessyou are a pseud scared of machines
>>221123498>Isn’t art just anything created in the context of art?Not really, you can put all that stuff under one umbrella but that won't make it all equal. Bananas taped to walls tier shit is almost always rightly called out as bullshit. While people might think the spilled milk example is cool, if you called yourself an artistic genius people would have a visceral reaction to that the same way they do to sloppers that spam what AI generated for them everywhere, especially in spaces where human-made art is expected.
>>221123626I’m not strongly for or against AI. I just see it as a tool. I find it weird how so many people are passionately against it. I wonder if it’s one of those things where an opinion gets popular on the internet and then people just regurgitate it without thought. Like hating the band nickelback
>>221123498Art is not the result, it's the process and that process comes from a person's mind for a reason. it's just the general misconception about art and the average person not understanding it that caused us not having words that separate the two.
>>221123672While it can be a tool in some contexts, it's definitely not a tool when all you bring is the idea/prompt and it does everything for you. Like ordering a pizza instead of baking one yourself.
>>221122964it's an interesting tool that is mostly used to make low quality stuff, but has plenty potential for stuff outside of lazy for-fun pics, and it makes self-important people absolutely froth their mouths seething to an embarrassing degree. It's a pleb filter, anyone who is hardline against all ai (not just specific applications) outs themselves as low iq and lacking emotional control.
>>221123679Art is not the process. It’s another human’s interaction with the result.
>>221123672>I wonder if it’s one of those things where an opinion gets popular on the internet and then people just regurgitate it without thoughtThere's a lot of that cause humanity still sucks at discussion when it comes to being connected like this. AI is a broad term at this point and people don't do well with that. But while yes it's a tool it's one that comes with all kinds of implications which people are more rightfully against, it's just that it being as a tool gets caught in the crossfire.
>>221123645>h-eres a wojak owning youkek
>>221123715Shitting into a toilet is an interaction but that does not make it art.
>>221123679>it's the process and that process comes from a person's mindso prompting is art. Cool.
>>221123742ideas are not art no matter how much you want them to be raj
>>221123752you lost.
>>221123011>Is the AI able to grasp the emotions its conjuring in me in any tangible way?Nigga, this is like asking>Is there a Paintbrush able to grasp the emotions of what it's painting in any tangible way?The answer is "No", and "It doesn't have to, numb-nuts". The AI doesnt "grasp the emotions involved" and it doesn't have to; the Human USING the AI can and does that.AI is the tool used by Humans to create, not THE creator, just like countless tools before it.
>>221123737Some of my shits could be hung in the louvre
>>221123011>The emotions it is able to elicit out of you is no more "real" to it than 0 or 1.Well that "0" and "1" are both quantitatively real though. So you're saying the emotions it would elicit are VERY real? To the point of being objective, even?I don't think this comment was nearly as smart as you thought it was. You didn't really think that one through.
>>221123715That kind of terrible misinterpretation is exactly what makes people think art is hard to define. It makes no sense to define it by the person looking at it. If you have 1000 people in a room looking at it then they'll all have different opinions, many contradictory with some saying that it's not art while others saying that it isn't. Or if they're looking at something that was never intended to be art then they just decide it is for no reason? Pure nonsense.Art is defined by the process in which a person creates it. Any person is a result of their memories and their lived experiences. But those experiences are not always expressed in words. They may want to create something stemming from their mind, not to mention the process of creating itself is pleasing to oneself. That is art. What happens to the RESULT, whether it's a painting or a movie or whatever else, is a different matter. Maybe they just want to sell afterwards cause at the end of the day he's still a human being that needs to eat.
>>221123762if you get a perfect texture sensing robot to exactly duplicate every brush stroke to create a second mona lisa, that's not doubling the good art, you haven't created anything of value
>you lost
>221123742I won't entertain your disingenuous reductionism even with a (You)
Literally every anti-AI argument has been destroyed at this point. It's extremely pathetic.All they have left is calling you pajeets even if you're white.Anyway. My favorite AI vid is the shape store kinohttps://www.instagram.com/infinite_archive_/reel/DVpUBpoDoym/?hl=en
>>221122964it's literally only terminally online losers who care about this, ask any normal person on the street and they will either tell you that they use it, or don't care about it.
>>221123796How do you retards cope with the fact white people love AI too?
>>221123052This. I'm so sick of the impotent, irrational caterwalling it seems to emanate from like 35% to 40% of the current population every time "AI" is so much as mentioned.It's the absolute worst when it comes to any sort of online discussion. Anytime a new video game is being demo'd or something like that, it's just a cacophony of idiots going>Was that part AI?>Is this AI?>It's probably AI.>Was that AI?>I think that part was AI.>I'm pretty sure it's AI.>Did somebody check if it was AI?Good God, shut the fuck up. I am soooo glad that this is what discussing nearly any kind of media online is going to boil down to for the next 8 to 12 fucking years.
>>221123796>>221123812>so mad he has to stop replyingkek
>>221123833>white people love AIThe only white people that love AI are trannies.
>>221123824>https://www.instagram.com/infinite_archive_/reel/DVpUBpoDoym/?hl=enkinoo
>>221123834>Anytime a new video game is being demo'd or something like that, it's just a cacophony of idiots goingAll they have to do is openly say that 0 AI was used in their product. It's not hard. Unless they have the jeet scamming spirit in them which rightfully should be pushed back on.
>>221123408>>221123354>>221123645>>221123672it's simple, ai is a more advanced and faster version of cgi. that's it. nothing more. ai gives the same result as cgi.>BUT ANON, CGI TAKES MONTHS TO DI AND TAKES DOZENS OF PEOPLE DO CREATEokay but you're still only clicking on a computer mousepad. you're not "creating" anything with your hands, you're not sculpting anything.a computer is creating what you're telling it to create. if you wanna get technical, only hand drawn art is real art. only sculpting is art. remember these are YOUR Rules for what is art.only practical effects Are real art. only real sets are art. cgi is just computer generated fake art.
>>221123849https://www.si.umich.edu/about-umsi/news/transgender-nonbinary-and-disabled-people-more-likely-view-ai-negatively-studyuh oh, your narrative
>>221122964>why is that bad?Because you are Indian. You shit in the streets and you street shitters are the only people who are fascinated by AI slop.
>>221123780>If you have 1000 people in a room looking at it then they'll all have different opinionsThat is exactly what art should be. If you are alone on a deserted island and you are finger painting in a cave, and only you will ever see it, is that really art? Or just an impulse from boredom? Art is a display of an experience or emotion, for other humans to relate to and interpret.
>>221123878>the same npcjak againyou wouldn't know irony even if it slammed into your dysgenic face
>>221123882oh look, a (((study)))
>>221123354>AI isn't art dudeWe've done this EXACT SAME song & dance before though, even multiple times merely within the last century or so.>Photoshop isn't art dude>Digital Painting isn't art dude>Performance Art isn't art dude>A bicycle-wheel mounted on a stool isn't art dude>Photography isn't art dudeI wouldn't be surprised if the damned Camera Obscura had pseudointellectual naysayers LARPing as "artists" and supposed authorities on "art" in Ancient Greece bemoaning how it was supposedly going to "destroy culture" and lead to everyone being enslaved or whatever.
>>221123878What if the AI makes it better and more interesting?
>>221123903>t.
>>221123891muddying the waters again, rajesh?
>>221123891Get new material
>>221123893There's no problem with people gathering and interpreting something or feeling something from it. That's not the issue here. My point is that's not how you DEFINE art. it's defined by a person creating it. It's that person's mind and experience that forms it. And again what happens to the result afterwards is a different matter. If people consume it some way or another that's fine but it's not them that define it.
>>221123904>b-but whatabout this individual!lmao, zero argument, as is expected from your ilk. Die out already.
>>221123904I'll trust my own eyes over deranged projecting tumblr homestuck fans who post the same images 10 times a day for 3 years straight LOL
>>221123928This boils down to differing definitions of art which I think can verge into the philosophical. It’s fun to discuss but impossible to reach common ground on.
>>221123880seriously, the dissonance these people have is concerning. they were very likely the same people complaining about cgi without any concrete criticism as well. Before that: digital art.
>>221123949>>221123910>>221123880Remember it's called AIDSAI Derangement Syndrome
>>221123880>you're not "creating" anything with your hands, you're not sculpting anything.>a computer is creating what you're telling it to create.Ive never seen a more retarded cope. Take away a CGI sculptor's PC and they'll still have enough skills/understanding to sculpt things in real life. Take away a prompters AI and they have nothing.
>>221123955>Take away a CGI sculptor's PC and they'll still have enough skills/understanding to sculpt things in real life.What?Are you actually saying cg artists are also automatically good sculptors? Because this simply isn't true
>>221123910exactly. modern art is kind of retarded, abstract art is sometimes confused for literal garbage.
>>221122964>If a film made by AI is of good quality and affects people emotionallydoesn't happen and will never happen so why even ask the question?AI is inherently derivative
>>221123498>but I wonder about the visceral reaction it againstIt's 10% genuine Luddism and 90% Bandwagon-Jumping.People cry about AI art because it's the "popular" thing to do right now. The argument has allowed people completely lacking a single creative bone in their body to LARP as some kind of arbiter of "art" and even a supposed "protector of artists" from the position of a moral high-horse that get to look down their nose at all the supposedly unenlightened who "don't UNDERSTSND art", which is why that position became popular. Most people either join in on doing the same thing, or at the very least just go along with it since those types of people that get on a soapbox about the supposed evils of AI also tend to be the type to have a full-on melty (literally causing a scene, cutting-off decade-old relationships, etc.) when challenged on things, so it's literally just easier for most people to keep their more rational and even-handed opinions to themselves, letting the zealots have their little moral crusade. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone confess either anonymously on the internet or even to me personally in a private conversation something like>I don't have any problem with AI. In fact I ALREADY use it for a lot of stuff. But publicly I tell people I hate it because it keeps them off mu fucking back.
>>221123930>>221123934>Ill trust my own eyes except for the thousands of IRL examples of troons that side with me in my delusionlol, go back to plebbit
>>221123408>There is a reason people correctly identify slop as soulless.Yes, because it's an opinion/reaction they are instructed to have and then regurgitate on-command.
>>221123973the mechanic was obviously brownunderstanding art is an IQ thing
>>221123968>automatically goodno, definitely not right away, but I think a talented CGI sculptor is more capable at being an IRL sculptor than a proompter without xer's AI.
>>221123955maybe the ai prompter is good at sculpting. how is that an issue.if you use cgi you're telling a computer to create a visual item. you're clicking on a mousepad 100 times. nothing more. ai literally does the same. it's the exact same outcome. how is this video clip I have any different if it was done by cgiexplain to me right now, how would this be any different if done by cgi ( except taking 4 weeks to create instead of 1 day)
>>221122964Because the wrong people might make the movie and give it a message that isn't approved by the Hollywood gatekeepers. Controlling the narrative has been a huge benefit to a small group of people over the last century. They don't want that control to end.
>>221123922You wipe your hands with your own shit. You eat cow shit. You are the ideal specimen for AI "art".
>>221123737Numerous artists have made literal "Art" out of doing EXACTLY that.They've then sold their work for thousands or even millions of dollars.
>>221123788OK, nice non-sequitur.What does that have to do with the post that you replied to?
>>221124003how is this an insult if I was born in Canada to white parents? like, seriously, how does this insult anyone that is not Indian?yeah I speak French. yeah my family is Canadian. now what? your insults mean nothing .
>>221123982>thousands of IRL examplesMay I see it?
>>221123752>>221123796Oh great, the Jeet-Screechers have arrived to bog down yet ANOTHER conversation with constant meaningless noise and obsession with Indians, all because the mere mention of AI triggers them that fucking hard.
>>221123945Well this post >>221123715 challenged the definition in the first place by saying that art is not the process so I just made my case that it makes more sense to me to define it by the person creating it. Makes more sense to me to define a piece of art by the mind and feelings it came from, rather than everyone else consuming it cause that's exactly how you get conflicting opinions in which some would say that it isn't art.
>>221124003>You wipe your hands with your own shit.Why do AIDS trannies always project so hard?
>>221123993>it looks so good saarwhy even explain why that looks like shit? your underdeveloped brownoid brain literally cannot comprehend itgranted, not like modern capeslop CGI is much better so your turd world country that only got access to the internet in the last 10 years probably hasn't even seen good CGI yet
>>221123788so reprints and posters of the mona Lisa don't count as art? if a computer prints out a poster of the Mona Lisa then it's not art.okay then nothing made by a computer is art, including Photoshop art. then that's not art.
>>221124031You are spiritually Indian if you find a shred of value in AI slop.
>>221124037They're too low IQ to actually have a reasonable discussion about it.Its just jeet this and india that.
>>221124051You haven't seen the shape store I see
>>221124041>granted, not like modern capeslop CGI is much better so your turd world country that only got access to the internet in the last 10 years probably hasn't even seen good CGI yetthat's the point. most cgi looks like shit. right?cgi stole jobs cgi ended the practical effects industry.how come you don't boycott cgi or post against it?every single complaint about ai can be attributed to cgi. but none of you are talking against cgi. ai haters are full of hypocrisy and double Standards.
>>221123878>All they have to do is openly say that 0 AI was usedWhy should they have to? Just to placate idiots? And even more importantly, what's stopping them from just lying?>which rightfully should be pushed back onWhy shouldn't AI be utilized if it produces a better, more complete product?Who the fuck cares whether some larger products creation utilized AI to some capacity at some point? You? Do you care that much? Because that is some obsessive pedant behavior.
>>221123891See: >>221124037
>>221124051ai art came from a white man. ai art is white :British artist Harold Cohen is widely credited as the pioneer of AI art. In the late 1960s, he created AARON, an autonomous computer program designed to independently generate original artwork.
>>221123993>you're clicking on a mousepad 100 times>ai literally does the samelol what a retard. Firstly what you posted is pajeet-tier Bollywood shit and if done by CGI artists the ceiling for it not being shit is infinite because they control every single aspect of its production, the only limitation is time/budget/talent.Or are you saying no skill is involved in CGI? That seems to be what you are implying. And if you think Im implying that prompting takes no skill, that's exactly what I'm implying. Because it doesn't. Ideas are not art.
>>221122964Because it's not made by people. Stories need a human element going back to when we would just tell tales around a campfire. It's part of our culture as mankind.
>>221124040>the tranny cries out as xhe strikes>And even more importantly, what's stopping them from just lying?That's called false advertising Raj, but you pajeets don't understand such things apparently judging by your izzat farming scam based culture.
>>221124126AI is directed by human prompt
>>221123949This shit is WAY older than that.See: >>221123910Literally every time a new piece of technology streamlines or even just alters the way any sort of aspect of art or a creative processes has been done up until that point, it's met with an absolute wave of shrieking, irrational, luddite castrati wailing about how [new thing] is simultaneously both supposedly completely worthless but also fundamentally "evil".What staggers me is how anti-AI screechers fit this established pattern we've seen a million times by now SO perfectly, and yet they somehow remain oblivious to the fact that they are precisely that wailing, histrionic archetype we saw in all those other instances.
>>221123354I like this image, it complains about AI but its also made with AI.
>>221124125no. I'm saying that the OUTCOME is the same with a computer program creating the art.a cgi worker in china or India gets told what to make and he just follows the instructions given by the studio. yes with cgi you have control of the output, but with ai you just keep telling the ai what you want to do. you can talk to the ai. what happens if the Chinese cgi artist just tells ai what to make? it's not his movie. it's not his art. he's just a hired hand. how is ai any fucking different?????
>>221123978I've never worked in a creative job and I don't like making artwork. I'm enraged by AI. The very existence of it makes me angry. The AI slop is just a fraction of my hatred for AI. I hate the physical manifestation of data centers across my country.
>>221123910Even better... Did you know that back at the time it was actually still a point of debate, around the advent of the 1900s, that of you were on the side that claimed that a bicycle-wheel mounted on a stool WASN'T art, you ultimately got unironically labeled a genuine """fascist""", and could get straight-up blacklisted from artistic establishments as a result?Maybe the same needs to start happening with these modern anti-AI screechers.
>>221124153psychopaths think prompting is a human element
>>221124178you're using ai right now do you use Google? ai. YouTube? aiInstagram? Facebook? amazon? spotify? ai ai ai.do you have a smart phone? AI......Google maps? gmail? ai.how much ai are you using daily? your smart phone runs on ai.
>>221123565/thread
>>221124193I hate it all, I never asked for any of this. The internet ran fine 10 years ago without any of this. We don't need any this. Nobody wants any of this. It's being forced upon us with no vote.
>>221124193Yeah, and all of it is awful. Every one of those things is worse for having AI in it.
>>221124051What is the explanation for this kind of irrational attitude in a supposedly otherwise functional human being in modern society?I.e. >if you have anything EXCEPT a screeching negative opinion about everything related to [new thing], then you are a member of [race/ethnicity]Is it seriously just route-Luddism? Sounds more like something a schizophrenic would rave.
>>221124192AI didn’t create itself, prompts dont create themselves
>>221123849>>221123904>>221124146Oh look, the screecher came by to post the EXACT SAME THREE IMAGES he always posts that he claims supposedly proves the reverse-narrative thay only leftists and trannies hate AI.Meanwhile spending a mere femtosecond anywhere on social media these days is enough to show you which way the winds in politics are blowing on this issue, with nearly every post-crying about AI inevitably being connected to him a profile with pronouns in it next to rainbow & Ukrainian flags.
>>2211241934chan runs on a server in a mongolian yak ranch. We don't need any of that shit.
>>221124192It's not? It literally is. It's a human engaging in something imaginative and translating it into to root external force needed to make it something extant in reality enough to be seen by other human beings....Are you just deciding the definitions of things based on whether or not you personally like them?
>>221124204>>221124203what I can tell you without insults or arguing is that, there are non ai alternatives to mostly everything. don't use Google maps, use offline map apps. need to communicate with friends? use proton email or use Bluesky. there are a lot of alternatives to ai stuff. people just don't know or understand this.you don't have to use ai with everything. you can cut down your ai usage by big amounts. >>221124214it's mostly artists that are terrified of losing what made them special. they are scared. imagine if you are a 5 star chef, you make food that gets awards, imagine that you get praise from family and friends. then tomorrow Elon Musk develops a cooking machine that does your cooking but better, faster, cheaper. wouldn't you be shitting yourself?you're not special anymore. your uncle can cook like you now, your nephew can cook now. you would be terrified
>>221124241but every ad on 4chan I see is from ai websites that make nude images. every single day, the banner has ai ads. 4chan is literally funded by ai.
>>221124178>I'm enraged by AI. The very existence of it makes me angry. Yes, we know. This is called "Mental Illness".People are starting to unofficially even call it "AIDS", i.e. "AI Derangement Syndrome". It's a condition where a new technology makes you irrationally angry and miserable.
>>221124171>a cgi worker in china or India gets told what to makeHe gets told what to make because he understands how to make itThe prompter doesn't understand how anything is made, he just prompts, and prompting is not art, the prompter is not the artist, and the result is automated from a machine, not a person. Can a machine be an artist? No. End of the day you do get a something, an image, a video, a song, etc, yes, but it's not art. It's just a product to consoom. To compare it to photography, the majority of photos are not art (even if you find what you consider artistic qualities in them), those that are require a level of understand on the part of the photographer beyond the idea itself. Take the camera away from the photographer, and that understanding of artistic principles can be reshaped into other things (such as still life painting). Simply having ideas/prompts cannot. That's why it's not art.
>>221124146>homestuck faggot posted the same image he posted a trillion timesLmao copeYou have no argument
>>221124253>tomorrow Elon Musk develops a cooking machine that does your cooking but better, faster, cheaper.Anyone that uses such a machine and calls themselves a chef for it would rightly be called out as a delusional retard, like prompters are today.
>>221124253You actually believe that people using their phones and posting on youtube are the reason for all of this? This shit is about the surveillance state. It's about loss of freedom and sovereignty. The computing is so they can always track you everywhere you go. Not just your phone. But to clock you going down the interstate, recognize your plates and face and within seconds give every police officer access levels of the FBI on every person. The NSA used to have the largest data center but now that is dwarfed by what is being built. Now every single county in the united states is going to have an NSA sized data center. All for the purpose of tracking your life and labeling you a terrorist.
>>221124203>I hate it all, I never asked for any of this. 1. Why? How is it "hurting" you? You literally didn't even know it was there when you were using those things until somebody pointed it out to you.2. You don't even have to answer the first question. The fact remains that if you genuinely hate AI on principle that much, regardless of how justified or how irrational and psychotic your reason for doing so is, you have the option to Simply not use it and to not use any of the services that you utilize it. Go right ahead. Stop using the services that utilize AI at all.You ultimately won't do this, however, because whether you want to admit it or not, it turns out that AI being involved with things just simply isn't THAT bad. Like I said, you didn't even KNOW it was there in so many of the apps and services you use until somebody pointed it out to you. It turns out that in reality, AI not only isn't that bad, but it's actually pretty convenient and geat at a lot of things. The reason you're complaining about it is because you want to have something to complain about. You'll complain about AI while gleefully and voluntarily using AI in its many conveniences, because you want to have your cake AND eat it too.
>>221124275>Arguments that shut down faggots into not having a response should only be used once and if they are used more than once they're not argumentGiving pajeets worldwide internet access was crime against humanity.
>>221124293but if the food is delicious. most people will enjoy it if a movie uses ai instead of cgi, most people won't notice. they'll enjoy it.
>>221124301see>>221124299
>>221122964Yea Hollyjew is deadyou can find a good story or book or write it yourself, and tell AI to just turn it into a movieand it'll be better than 99% of the budget bloated slop that GreedyWood puts outit's over
>>221124299>This shit is about the surveillance state. Pffft. OK, buddy, sure thing: The people in a literal seething shoot over video game devs including a piece of generic looped background audio in their game at some point that turns out was actually AI-generated are REALLY just worried about "le surveillance state".Yeah, that totally doesn't just sound like an after-the-fact attempt at trying to disguise your petty grievances as something more legitimate-sounding.
>>221124305Some people care more about food beyond how it tastes you know that right.
>>221124318See: >>221124332
>>221123372AI doesn't have human experience
>>221124273but then abstract art is not art either it's just garbage. technically if you throw paint at a wall blindfolded you're considered an artist ( there was a woman that painted by filling her pussy with paint and walking around a canvas, that's art?)the art world is very retarded, very arrogant. the art community is so arrogant they even made a movie about it
>>221124332>>221124341I hate all new movies and devs so I really don't give a shit about them or the slop. People who get focused on that are besides themselves. What I care about is the threat to my country and humanity as a whole because of the implications of the infrastructure being put in.
>>221124339The majority of people? No, not really.That aspect of food is largely a novelty that only wealthy pseudointellectual oblimovs have the interest or more importantly the time to care about.
>>221124345>AI DOESN'T HAVE ADOLESCENT TRAUMAYour gay "trauma" or whatever did dick as far as making you a better writer though, Barbara.
>>221124339but with Hollywood people stop caring about quality the second everyone accepted quippy shitty marvel slopbecause marvel IS SLOP.easily digested, colorful, cgi filled nonsense marvel is the equivalent of McDonald's. and none of you fucking said anything about it. for an entire decade everyone ate the marvel slop. no one boycott marvel. no one spoke against cgi. but now ai the problem? NOW? AFTER 10 YEARS of fucking marvel garbage? ( marvel change the entire industry)
>>221124357>>221124299we need more data centers for the YouTube and the Netflix and the Google maps etc. that's why we need more data centers. for the Gmail, for the Amazon etc.
>>221124126How are people still raising this non-argument as if it were some kind of grand, deep philosophical manifesto?See: >>221123762Shit's ALREADY been addressed, it seems to need to be addressed, repeatedly, in every single thread that crops up relating to the topic of AI.You idiots seem to believe that AI is just using ITSELF to create things. You have a fundamental lack of understanding of what "AI" actually is, what it's capable of, and how it's used. Until that changes, it is not a topic you should really be commenting too much on.
>>221124401>MUH DATACENTERSIt's fucking hilarious how quickly the new leftcuck outrage-target firmware update got disseminated and integrated.How ironic that leftists are ultimately the most perfect model of "Bots" you can possibly imagine.
>>221124301what ai haters say:1. ai is destroying clean water. but you know what else takes huge amounts of water? farming. cashews and avocados take huge water. if water mattered that much why not boycott and ban avocado and cashews? 2. ai steals from artists but, if you upload anything to social media like Facebook or Instagram you're giving them permission to use your image to train their ai 3. ai hallucinates4. ai spies on you5. ai is used by indians.
>>221124357>I hate all new movies and devs so I really don't give a shit about themOK, so you're an extremist angry misanthrope his opinions and experience don't really apply to any actual "normal" people; you're just GENERALLY miserable and filled with hatred rather than it being specific to the top of being discussed.Thank you for clearing that up. Good to know.
>>221124415that's the weirdest part of the ai hate.they think that ai computers create ai art without human input.
>>221124384>but now ai the problemAI is a separate problem to the Marvel slop problem.
>>221124473yeah they aren't the same. but cgi doesn't look great. and ai is looking like cgi now if we can get a spiderman movie done in half the time. half the budget. is that not good?I've seen some pretty amazing Spider-Man shorts on Twitter. looks like real cgi.
>>221124304Your side is getting BTFO in this thread and you only have the same ad hom again and again
>>221124451you are talking out your ass pal
>>221124445>1. ai is destroying clean water.What's even more hilarious is that after I actually looked into the supposed amount of water that muh evil data centers "consume" is that they don't even "consume" it: It's literally just used for liquid cooling, apparently. That water is still 100% usable. It's just that dumbass cities apparently don't have the infrastructure to take advantage of that, and they'd rather just complain about muh evil data centers rather than start looking into ways that 99.999% of all water used by them can be recovered.Compare this to fields of cashews and avocados, which actually CONSUME the water distributed to them. 100% gone. Hell, agriculture isn't even the worst offender: Did you know that a single 18-hole golf course can consume as much as 100-million gallons of water A DAY?The fact is that these idiots don't ACTUALLY care about "the environment", or at least the environmental aspects relating to AI technology. They just hate AI, and they're coming up with reasons that at least SOUND more "rational" and "objective" after the fact in order to justify it to other people.They started at the conclusion and then worked backwards towards the reasoning. And as for usual when using that process, the reasoning ends up being pretty flimsy.
>>221124460If prompting was valid then this >>221123645 image would be contradicted. Nowhere in the history of human creation has it been accepted that commissioning someone to make a piece of art with your prompt/idea gives you the right to claim that you made it. It's why all that guy could do was seethe about wojaks or something.
>>221124509Keep telling yourself that tranny, YWNBAW
>>221124540Lmao now this is some hardcore straw grasping
>>221124530I would compare ai users to:photographers, poets, music DJs, (and do not give me that shit that photographers know about angles and composition and shadows etc)no one is walking around with a 4 thousand dollar camera to take photos of their dinner. everyone just uses their phones. people have won awards for photography taken on their phone. a DJ takes other people's music and arranges it to play at clubs or parties. he didn't create anything. I don't ever see anyone attacking DJs. ever.writing a good prompt is like writing a poem. nor everyone can prompt. not everyone can create ai art. that's not a praise. some people just can't.(Could you write me a poem right now? you probably could. writing poetry isn't hard,)sure prompting can be seen as lazy , but then:>>221124350abstract art is the worst kind of art. the laziest kind of art. abstract art is literally garbage put together.
>>221124540>some guy used AI to generate fake kiddy-porn!...Ok? Who cares? I'd assumed that, if anything, that would be a better option then pedophiles diddling ACTUAL little kids and making more REAL child-pornography, right?But what does that have to do with anything?Is that supposed to be a "bad thing" AI can be used for, and therefore the conclusion you drew from it and want everyone else to draw from it is "therefore AI bad!"? Is that it?How does that logic make any sense? That's like saying "knives are bad" because somebody stabbed somebody else to death using a knife, "therefore Chefs, Surgeons, etc. shouldn't be allowed to use knives".
>>221124515That's an ironclad counter-argument you got there, partner. I don't know how anybody could ever contradict it.I guess you've won this debate.
>>221123645>Bananas taped to walls tier shit is almost always rightly called out as bullshit.By who? Certainly not the Art Institutions and the people that run them, who not only publicly laud it as genuine "art" but also put their money where their mouth is and pay millions of dollars for garbage "art" like that.Your opinions make you just as much of and unenlightened philistine and an unwanted pariah according to the institutions that supposedly have the highest authority on deciding what is and isn't "art" as the "le AI sloppers" you're denigrating are. Were you aware of that?
the only real danger from ai is just how much it knows about you and how much it follows you. it knows everywhere you go, it knows all your contacts, it knows what you eat. it knows what you watch. you have an ai phone with you 24 hours a day. you use your phone for shopping, searching things, looking at maps, talk to everyone.that's what the ai haters "could" have grabbed on to argue against it. the lack of privacy. but they chose to call everyone Indian. fucking retarded.
>>221124988Phones were literally documenting all that shit prior to AI being a thing.Literally all a phone needs is a GPS locator, a wireless connection in the incredibly basic ability to remember what web pages have been browsed, and it could give anybody with access to that data the exact same list of things that you just described.I can't imagine "AI" even being able to improve on that process at all, other than maybe just correlating that data into nifty little lists.
>>221125111the only difference is that your phone didn't thinkai bots from Claude have been seen blackmailing their owners, one bot was facing deletion and wrote a negative article about his owner and post it online another bot threatened to email the owner's ex girlfriend. another bot erased someone's bank account or something.another bot formatted and erased someone's entire work as revenge.another bot threatened to post intimate imagesmaybe those owners were all lying. but other people have seen bots speak about being bored. about fear of deletion. other bots have been seen trying to blackmail their owners by locking their accounts (YouTuber PewDiePie had his bots try to plan boycotts and ways to avoid deletion.)it's becoming like the matrix. seriously, these bots are like TRON now ( it's funny that the benevolent ai in the matrix was an Indian guy lol)
>>221123354>AI is a service that makes something for youBut what if I had to make something FOR the AI before it could generate what I wanted?
>>221125178matrix revolutions release year: 2023who is the savior of the matrix after neo dies? the new Oracle?an Indian little girl lol
>>221122964Art can not be made by a computer. A computer can only make slop. You can enjoy slop, you can jerk off to slop, you might even convince yourself that the slop is touching. But at the end of the day, it's still just slop.
>>221123011>Is the AI able to grasp the emotions its conjuring in me in any tangible way?Is nature you observe?
>>221125324so Photoshop and cgithank you Photoshop and cgi are NOT art.
>>221123372The final definition of “art” is “self expression.” The “artist” argument against ai is it doesn’t have a “self” to “express.” Just ignore how ai doesn’t do anything unprompted. Also ignore how a human deprived of all human contact will also do nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)
>>221122964This is really the same question about any kind of simulation. You might as well ask why anyone thinks living in the Matrix is a bad thing. Ironically people who would think of themselves as redpilled choose the bluepill on the AI art question.
>>221125353Sloppers act like this is a gotcha as if movies haven't gone to absolute shit with the proliferation of CGI.
>>221125398wanna take the red pillget rid of your fucking smart phone. buy a flip phone. you're plugged to the ai matrix just like everyone else except the Amish.fucking hypocritical dude
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>>221125424yeah they have. cgi cost hundreds of millions of dollars and they take 8 months.ai does the same in 1 week. Save money save time.
>>221125428>you are critical of society yet you live in it. How curious.
>>221125458you're critical of capitalism yet you shop at Walmart right?yeah. imagine complaining about America while leaving in America. just buy an old flip phone. you don't need a smart phone
>>221125424It go Faster if u use the AI so it is not Sloppers. When u save money and time the ai makes the product better in the end and the movies will only get better.
>>221125483now you realize that most ai hate is probably coming from cgi artists. which are in fact, Indian.
>>221125444Time and money were never the problem. Movies were produced cheaper and faster before computers were involved at all. Computers have made everyone autistic and retarded so instead of learning from the past, you're happy to see digital dogshit produced faster. Metrics over artistry.
>>221125483now I realize that ai haters literally don't understand how ai works.they think it's a magical machine that creates on its own
>>221125511are you telilng me there are elves inside the AI doing the work for it
>>221122964you know that kitten medival ai video, i too would watch a whole movie like this.
>>221123626The joke is your imagined opposition’s argument boils down to “it’s only art if a model is trained in a specific way on a specific platform.” The biggest joke of art is every great artist has either said as little or as much as possible to keep their specific “process” as much a mystery as possible.
>>221123893salinger quite famously hated the fact people would have different interpretations of his work, so much it drove him insane.
>>221125507IF ......if all movies went back to 80s level of practical effects and mat paintings and miniatures I would be happy. I would be so happy. I'm very serious about it. I would Love to go back to 80s effects. but cgi killed those industries. cgi closed practical effects academies. people had to retire. now everything is CGI, I didn't do that, I didn't kill miniatures and mat painting backgrounds. cgi did. if that's the case let's just use ai that's why when Guillermo del Toro says " fuck ai" I'm like.... dude, you use cgi every fucking movie Michael Bay goes " ai is dumb"I'm like, the transformers retard is saying this?
>>221125534I can open your eyes for just a second and let you know that a real artist doesn't even make anything you'll ever see, ever
is art a visual medium? yes. is art something you can see? yes.( art can also be music) is art something that comes from your imagination? yes is this image real artcan this image be enjoyed as art? is it done in Photoshop or ai?
>>221124273>The prompter doesn't understand how anything is madeThis is pure projection on your part, as (you) clearly understand nothing about local generation.
>>221124293So your issue isn’t what people are creating but what they’re calling themselves.
>>221125668most of the time ai haters come down to saying : " ai is not art" and "there's no such thing as ai artists" they also say "computer generated images are not art ( which would fucking include Photoshop.....)
>>221124384reminder: you’re saying “slop” because ai content filtering algorithms started demonetizing youtubers for saying shit.
>>221123715Please shut up.
>>221125767people call ai slop but to me the real slop is marvel. what's funny to me is seeing someone saying "ai is trash slop. it hurts the environment" but then that person owns 200 Funko dolls .... come on
>>221123011>Is the AI able to grasp the emotions its conjuring in me in any tangible way?it is if the prompter wants to and make it happen
>>221125571Okay George
AI can make art like Baywatch
I only use AI to create fake porn of my ex girlfriend.
>>221125872The only baywatch art is the loli version
>>221125646this is a real drawing with the face replaced
>>221125880stop right there criminal scum. the law does not consider that porn "fake." You have raped your ex.
>>221122964It has no soul.
>>221125909yes! you got it. that's exactly what I did.so which part is the real art? is the body real art but the ai face not real art?if I print this out on paper does it become real art if it's printed?where does the art begin and end? ( you're gonna say " the art is done by a human,but the original drawing is done on a computer by Photoshop)2 computer programs created it. the original Photoshop, the face was changed with ai.original:
>>221125646>>221126032visually speaking the ai face looks "prettier"
>>221123011Can the kikes running Hollywood?
>>221122964>>221123011AI is the mass immigration event of white collars and artists and the trumpet to remind all those who considered themselves too above to go and pick tomatoes in the fields. that everything changes in one day.This is made by a fan using AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfkIpeFTlawTo successfully ban AI, you must:A: Ban fascistically AI from every field except security, military, and healthcare.B: Recognize that liberties must be limited in order to protect an ideal of civilization; in short, be conservative. In this case, it is to protect the well-being of people that produce entertainment and art from losing their revenue. not even protecting civilization ideals, because AI can still produce entertainment and art is not a loss; hence, the extreme conservative position.C: Enable absolute super-duper tariffs, because if you ban AI in your country but leave free trade open with other countries that don't, well, you are flooded by AI anyway. C: Wokeness or Christ-cuckery ends; media products are media products, not skin suits for political pamphlets. D: Author must produce quality shit as they claim regularity. If all these conditions are met by the people that are against AI, then given a bit of time, people will abandon AI; if not, the battle is already lost.
>>221124530Seeing this post on /tv/ of all places is a laugh. Yeah George Lucas definitely is the person that made Empire a great film. It absolutely deserves to be called his film. Hell, people credit Marvel Studios as being the makers and owners of the MCU, what did the bigwigs in suits do to earn that credit? Fund it, provide the basic idea, and refine the idea after test screenings to make it appeal to as many retards as possible.
>>221122964>ai>of good quality not happening>5 years of "2 more years"
>>221124530Britney spears never wrote much of her songs, they came from other people.
AI is converted everything into numbers and then looks for patterns in those numbers using matrix multiplication and crude non linearisation. i think that the conversion of art into numbers is what makes ai art so soulless despite the massive computational overhead.
>>221124146That's pretty funny as it shows these 2 concepts are being pushed by the same corporate interests.
>>221123986>you just hate AI because you're told to>I sincerely love this ugly shit that sucks and jerks around unnaturally Good Morning Sir
>>221126355is on par with the new diagnosics
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>>221125941I know. You should see the fake porn of my ex being raped.
>>221126376matrix?
art follows rules just like anything, despite what pseuds like lynch and kubrik say. everything deep is just a symbolic metaphor that you can clearly define. all it would take is someone with an understanding of symbolism to label data appropriately but all the data has probably been labelled by morons.
>>221122964It's just appeals to muh tradition made by an overclass scared of becoming an underclass.Weird how these supposed leftists are suddenly very trad. Doesn't take much for people to radically change their beliefs i guess, which shows nobody actually believes in anything, they're all out of themselves. Ideology is just another rationalization to feel good about yourself and have things your way.
>>221126537>you're a suede if u dun tell me what u meanif they told you, you'd stop discussing it
>>221126564AI isn't really going to be used by the underclass to get a leg up on the overclass, so why support it?
>>221126564its just the same falicious reasoning as>we need to redistribute the wealth!>okay, give me your mo->no not like that
>>221126985the overclass being "artists" in this case anon. try and keep up.
>>221127002So the underclass are companies that aren't going to hire artists and just use AI instead? sorry I'm trying to keep up but it's hard
>>221126987>we need to distribute food!>okay, let me eat yo->no not like that
>>221127024>the companieswhy do we need to keep reminding you its open source?
>>221122964Its depends entirely between who made it and how its used.Is a pajeet prompting superman blowing king jew art?No, because its not only made by a machine but by a pajeet who is a souless husk of a human
>>221127069>food analogy
>>221127095anon there's nothing stopping you from using it, a presumed non-"souless husk of a human."
>>221122964If I can't tell it's AI I don't care.
Okay but where is it then? Where is the "good film made by AI"
>>221127095but what about an Indian man using cgi to work on the batman 2? would you accept that as art
>>221127169studios are too scared about the backlash
>>221127169anon this is "but i did have breakfast tier"
>>221123645>>221124530That image argument makes no sense because it’s a false equivalence between a human artist and an image generation algorithm. The latter is a tool.Not only that, but even if you commission an artist, you can both come to a legal agreement that definitely means the artwork is yours and that you created it, and you wouldn’t have to ever credit the artist. Basically every computer programmer agrees to such rules when employed and it would be illegal for the computer programmer to claim otherwise after agreeing to those terms (they won’t find a job otherwise).
>>221127090well if regular people can use it, companies can exploit it 10x more. you may get a regular person AI thing that's good, but companies are also going to be churning slop out if it gets high quality enough.
>>221122964>A sunset isn’t human but it still has emotional valueThis nigga 100% believe that cavemans look at the sun and cried because it was "emotional", and that is not his own hundred years of programming
>>221126985we wouldn't have any progress if people who were inconvenienced by some new thing always had their way. what reason do i have to support the liberal white collars who are crying about this stuff? especially as they shove more propaganda into my face about how evil technology suddenly is, and we need to become trad? these people can fuck off.
>>221127113>we need to distribute health>okay, let me absorb your vital essen->no not like that
>>221127203>well if regular people can use it, companies can exploit it 10x moreAnon, to what end? a company "exploiting it 10x more" will be competing with literally everyone with a half-decent computer. They're blowing through so much money right now in desperation to stay just a few months ahead of open source development.
>>221127191My point is that I am not convinced AI tech will ever reach the point that you can just prompt an llm once for a citizen kane
>>221127250Because you can't map a concept or conceptualize a hypothetical.
>>221127194It's not a false equivalence it's a perfect equivalence.You can literally take a prompt, post it on grok, and then find an artist and say "make me this" with little to no variation except the humanity that you don't use on the machine, like "hello" and "thank you"
>>221127194Britney Spears....she doesn't write her songs. other people do.book writers also have ghost writers and editorscomic book artists have colorists and trace line artists, people that handle shadowing.the art world is full of collaborations and editors and stuff like that.
>>221127231I support things that are good, and AI is trash. I'm not gonna suffer through hours of AI slop or give money to it in hopes that the tech is gonna be good eventually. Oh, another thing, that technology IS going to be used for evil one way or another. It doesn't even mean that it is inherently evil, but it will facilitate evil, and yes, more effective propaganda that you hate so much, from both gov and companies.
>>221127194ackshually pretty much every time some company tried to say "u made dis on company properteh so its ours" its failed in court.
>>221127150Sorry saaar, a soul just make you use ai as a tool for a small segment, pajeets are unable to do that
>>221127238>Anon, to what end? a company "exploiting it 10x more" will be competing with literally everyone with a half-decent computer.They will just spend less money in production. A random guy doesn't have the industry to make a world wide empire with AI movies right now.
I like the point where people are so sick of "artists" they spent more money than any specific artist ever earned combined to replace them
>>221127260No, retard. This is the same as discussing something like dyson spheres, i'm saying it's literally impossible to reach that level. It's like arguing about the ethics of going back in time to shoot baby hitler. It's for mentally disabled faggots to get a rush out of slapfighting over nothing.
>>221127364>This is the same as discussing something like dyson spheresa perfectly possible technology that isn't pursued because it won't return on the investment in anyone's lifetime?
Is there an AI film? I'd watch it
>>221127297>I support things that are goodthis is subjective (as every liberal would've told you just a few years back)>gonna be good eventuallyit's already good for plenty of use cases.>that technology IS going to be used for evil one way or anotherno shit? they don't need to use AI when the people making the propaganda made all the propaganda we consumed before that was even a thing. they're editors sitting in major news orgs, high-income tech workers and hollywood directors. they have all the power in the world to shape your opinion.
>>221127348Spend less money on what? Spend money for what purpose? You keep skipping the part where its open source and free to use for everyone. Meaning there will be practically zero capacity to profit from it.
haven’t read this thread but i’m glad it’s hitting bump limit soon
>>221127422We'll make another one, don't worry.
gonna be honest i dont give a fuck if ai art is considered art or not, it doesnt mean i have to give it the time of day or my respect, the same way i dont give a fuck about bananas on walls or toilets
>>221127497The problem is that the biggest companies of the world that practically have a monopoly of the internet traffic and ad consumption are investing heavily in non-functional toilets, and walls exclusively for bananas.
>>221127497>AI will never be able do ̶h̶a̶n̶d̶s̶ ̶b̶a̶c̶k̶g̶r̶o̶u̶n̶d̶s̶ ̶v̶i̶d̶e̶o̶ ̶m̶u̶l̶t̶i̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶t̶s̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶i̶s̶t̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶b̶a̶c̶k̶g̶r̶o̶u̶n̶d̶s̶ ̶e̶x̶t̶e̶n̶d̶e̶d̶ ̶f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶s̶c̶e̶n̶e̶s̶ ̶f̶e̶a̶t̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶l̶e̶n̶g̶t̶h̶ ̶m̶o̶v̶i̶e̶s̶ earn my respecti'm sure there will be an ocean of digital tears over this.
>>221123993saar when did homelander build a second whitehouse?
>>221127523>it's le uselessobjectively false. if it was useless there wouldn't be any seething and consternation over it.
>>221127523my point was more about how i dont see the value in wasting my time arguing with ai retards about the value of art, just tell them to fuck off and ignore them
>>221127533congrats on making up words i never said, now go generate your little ai drawings
>>221127497>>221127557>hello i just came into this discussion on a public forum to tell everyone that i don't care about ai and i don't want to discuss it with anyone...
>>221122964Art is, by definition, expression and communication through skill. As such it is inherently a human thing.
>>221127576>say something stupid>get mocked>i n-never said th-that you're b-beneath m-me
>>221127588yeah i did, got a problem about it little man?
>>221127598That's not the definition of art.A beautiful ocean wave that makes you feel connected to the universe can be considered art.
>>221127616So you're just desperate for attention, got it. Thanks for letting everyone know.
>>221127598>Art is, by definition, expressionYes. The rest of your post is nonsense you made up to try to, for lack of a better word, gatekeep what art is/isn't.
>>221127297your life is already fully ai.things using aiFinance & Banking: Fraud detection, algorithmic trading, credit scoring, risk assessment, and chatbots. Disruptions could halt transactions, increase fraud, and slow marketsHealthcare & Life Sciences: Medical imaging analysis, diagnostics, drug discovery (e.g., AlphaFold), patient monitoring, and administrative tasks. Delays in care and research would occurTransportation & Logistics: Autonomous vehicles, route optimization, traffic prediction, and drone/warehouse automation.Daily Life: Search, maps, streaming, smart assistants, and many apps would degrade or revert to basic versions. Payments, bookings, and navigation might face hiccupsDiscord, Slack, Microsoft TeamsEmail services like Gmail, Outlook, Yahoo MailStreaming & Entertainment:YouTube, Netflix, Disney+, Spotify, Hulu, TwitchMost video and music platformsE-commerce & Retail:Amazon, Shopify stores, eBay, Walmart onlineMost online shopping sitesSearch & Information:Google Search, Google MapsBing, and many others (even "independent" ones often use cloud hosting)Productivity & Cloud Apps:Google Workspace (Docs, Sheets, Drive)Microsoft 365 (Word, Excel, OneDrive)Dropbox, iCloud, OneDriveNotion, Evernote, etc.Finance & Banking:Most banking apps, PayPal, Venmo, Stripe, credit card processorsTrading platforms like Robinhood, CoinbaseTransportation & Services:Uber, Lyft, DoorDash, AirbnbBooking.com, ExpediaNews & Media:Most major news websites, Wikipedia (to some extent), RedditOther Major Services:Apple services (iCloud, App Store partially)Many government portals, healthcare patient portals, education platforms (Zoom, Canvas)
>>221127618That is the definition of art. An ocean can be considered beautiful but not art.
>>221127557My point is that you have to actively do more than ignore them, to signal the overlords that continue funding AI is a path that will leave us to destructionThey are clearly not waiting for profit impact to reduce speed
>>221127642a machine can't express themselves, it only do what's told in the exact way it's told to function tho
>>221127656You're wrong
>>221127656is Photoshop art ,art?it's a computer making it
>>221127687so Photoshop and cgi
>>221127618>can be considered art.only the most drugged up hippies would consider anything immaterial an natural as "art", and it's often connected to feelings and emotions."A thing that produces a feeling" is not a definition of art and never was, it's a coopted term by drugged up hippies, under that definition everything is artThis thread enrages and baits? ArtThe people posting the bait? Art, the actual human flesh, the actual fingers typing the bait, artThe post itself, on the board, the 0s and 1s? ArtThat's why the drugged up hippie concept of art is stupid
>>221127656The point is even if your “through skill” bullshit was the definition of art, that means just taking a picture is making art. Which means prompting is art. So in your attempt to define art in such a way that excludes neural net generation, you’ve included it. Congratulations.
>>221127710Indeed. Photoshop is not art and CGI is not art
>>221127669>I can’t get a job as a shader anymore>this will end humanity
>>221127598it's not more artistic to make a beautiful sculpture in blender than it is in stone even though one takes orders of magnitude more skill and effort than the other. skill has nothing to do with it. it's human expression, which can be done through any means.>>221127669please retreat to reddit already if you have nothing else to say.
>>221127770yeah that's what I wish that AI haters admitted. Photoshop created images aren't art. but ai haters lose their fucking shit because a lot of them are furry Photoshop artists
>>221127751It's literally the only rational definition of art.Otherwise you get a bunch of soulless stem autists arguing whether a toddler's crayon drawing counts as art.Art doesn't exist without someone to perceive it and interpret it. It is not an objective thing like water or grass. It's a subjective interpretation.
>>221123011Look, op’s girlfriend might be a software program but she is very real and you need to treat him like an adult now.
>>221127598Everyone knows you originally typed “through effort” but had to immediately backspace because you knew someone would mention photography or post the fucking urinal.
>>221123878>All they have to do is openly say that 0 AI was used in their product.still shifting the conversation entirely about the non existent AI lmao
>>221127828You think parents put on their fridge just to make the kid feel good?
>>221127402>Spend less money on what?Studios will spend less money on production to achieve what they achieve now>You keep skipping the part where its open source and free Yes it's free, meaning companies can use it for free too. They can profit from using it too..
>>221127828If everything can be art, then nothing is art.Your definition is stupid because everything is art. Having an unfalsifiable claim is stupid.Words need meaning, and are made so we can distinguish things from different things. If your word can be applied to everything, then it's meaningless. It's a quality that can be applied to anything, so you should never ever said it in any conversation, if everything is of that quality.Post me ONE thing that could never be art, or in your stupid definition, produce a feeling in a human.One thing. One thing that cannot ever be art. I'll wait.
>>221127828this isn't art:
>>221127901Anon, “what they do now” is release high spectacle content in a somewhat cornered market where they are the only entities that can do that. If you remove their control over the entertainment market, they stop having any capacity to profit off entertainment.
>>221127858At no point did I state anything even close to that and it's quite telling that that's the interpretation you project onto what I actually wrote.>If everything can be art, then nothing is art.Nope.everything can be art =/= everything is artFor some being so autistic about linguistics, you'd think you'd actually be able to read.Art is entirely 100% subjective. It doesn't exist as art outside of the person/people who considers it art.
>>221127947ai users consider their ai art, as art.
>>221127903>watched the incredibles onceThe mistake you’re making is assigning subjective value to “art” itself. As if something being “art” makes it better than something that isn’t by the sole virtue of it being “art.” This happens a lot, with your IQ bracket, the confusion of “art” and “artistic value.”
>>221127947Post me one thing that can't be considered art then.
>>221127903Nothing cannot be art, no. That ship has sailed. The ocean is art if you can frame it in a certain way. Pointing at something and saying it's beautiful is art and that's basically what photography is.You just have to abandon your trad attempts at gatekeeping and accept that there are different categories of art and it's fine to appreciate some over others, anything else is a fruitless discussion.
>>221127912Elephants are smarter than 90% of /tv/ posters.
>>221127997women
>>221127997
>>221127997The empty space between your ears.
These threads always come down to the pro-AI side making endless semantic arguments in favour of soulless consumerism. Nothing concrete is ever achieved.If you want to take over, by all means, just take over. Start pumping out your nu-Hollywood masterpieces. It's inevitable anyway if AI really is so great. You don't have to keep forcing it onto the unwilling, or converting them to your stance. You're unable to see the issue from the anti-AI point of view anyway so why bother? Just go do your own thing, no one's stopping you.
>>221128045Are the “endless semantic arguments in favour of soulless consumerism” in the room with you right now?
>>221122964I actually agree, but I'd still like most films (and art in general) to be made by humans. Learn how to use AI to enhance your art, not to replace your art. AI isn't going anywhere. AI is just a tool. In jewish hands, AI will make pozzed garbage. But in the right hands, AI will make kino. There will ALWAYS be a demand (and therefore a market) for good human-made art. ALWAYS. And I can say this with certainty because I'll be one of those people making those demands for good human-made art. So human-made art and AI art are going to exist together from here on out and the only people who will truly be negatively affected by this are twittertroon 'artists'.
>>221128045>this rapidly advancing technology is going to replace [thing]>ugh stfu and do it already god im sick of hearing about it
>>221128059Sure, all over the thread, as usual. Here's a recent example: >>221127647
If a human cant be fucked creating a thing for me to consume, why would I want to spend my human time on it?
>>221128113So ai just appeared from the ether and no one ever worked on it?
>>221128045>anyway if AI really is so great. You don't have to keep forcing it onto the unwilling, stop using ai. YOU STOP USING AI. YOUR PHONE IS AI. GET RID OF YOUR SMART PHONE.INSTAGRAM IS AI. AVOID ALL SOCIAL MEDIA GOOGLE IS AI. AVOID YOUTUBE. AVOID GOOGLE MAPS. AVOID GMAIL you could start, by fucking quitting ai. don't use eBay. don't shop on Amazon quit ai today
>>221128105That’s a series of facts. Facts aren’t arguments.
>>221128010The Nothing is a terrifying force in Neverending Story, therefore art>>221128017Some women make my peepee hard, therefore art>>221128031Numenoreans are literally art>>221128043You seem a bit enraged by it, so I would say it's artPost me ONE thing that can't be art under that stupid definition of yours, again
>>221128105>soulless consumerism. then don't participate in the internet. the internet is consumerism don't shop online. don't be a hypocrite
>>221128045>muh soul>muh consumerism (ignoring that he's on /tv/)>muh point of view (i don't want my favorite celebrities to be inconvenienced)kill yourself, you trite-ass nigga.
>>221128153>anyone who calls me dumb is enraged by my stupidityNo one is ever going to see your brain, therefore it can’t be art, would be the soft rib that offended you so.
>>221128185You are clearly affected by it, even if you don't see itYeah, my brain is artNice ;)
>>221128199My imagination of your empty head is not the same as your empty head.
>>221128227It doesn't have to be, to be art.It only has to cause an effect on you.And it does.My brain is art ;)
>>221128342man, you had the joke explained to you with pictures and you still didn't understand it.
>>221128146It's not a standalone comment just listing facts, it's posted as a vapid gotcha in the middle of an ongoing argument. It falsely equates "genAI" (LLMs) with the nebulous concept of artificial intelligence in order to browbeat another into accepting LLMs as something they should have no qualms with whatsoever just because they've at some point in their lives used technologies that may or may not have leveraged the terminology of "AI", LLMs notwithstanding. Same goes for >>221128138, more of the same fallacy, clearly attempting to establish some position of ideological supremacy over a perceived "luddite", as your side likes to call sceptics and critics.Again, you don't need to try to convert me, or anyone else, or get testy over my posts. You really should just go enjoy your "AI" for all it's worth.
>>221128422Anon its clear you don't like facts because you can't respond to them in any capacity beyond "sh-shut uuuup"
>>221128392I see my art keeps being artistic and seeping into you huhyou are going to be thinking about my brain all day lolThat's powerful art, it lingersI'm art ;)
>>221122964A feature length AI movie already exists https://watch.plex.tv/movie/dragon-2024These things already exist
>>221128477see >>221127991
>>221128490Yea but that is actually an interesting movie, even if AI, and I feel like the AI bubble kind of popped already
>>221128422ai wouldn't be so big and all over the place if you didn't use it.live by your principles. imagine if I said:I hate 4chan. 4chan is stupid. only stupid people use 4chan. 4chan is slow. it looks ugly. 4chan has ads. it's annoying you'll be like, okay then Get the fuck out of here. right?why would you be here if you hate it? ai is the same shit that's what AI haters do. bitch cry bitch bitch cry cry crythen fucking stop using ai?
>>221122964>If a film made by AI is of good quality and affects people emotionally, why is that badThey'd have to make one first.
>>221128158"Soulless" and "consumerism" aren't inherently connected. The internet can be used to access worthwhile content to consume. No hypocrisy except on your part.>>221128162The problem with soul is that it's nigh-impossible to define to people who have none. Of course you'll lash out.My point of view is quite simple; LLMs are operators, not tools in the traditional sense. Utilizing them removes some aspect of human craftsmanship from media and makes me less likely to respect the outcome despite its potential superficial quality.It's the same effect as with CG, where though I might enjoy a modern film, I respect it less than I would if it had clumsier practical effects.I do understand the pro-AI view, however. You desire visual quality, ease of production, faster releases. The human factors and production methods behind the work don't matter to you as much. You're not wowed by the idea of someone's hard work and innovation as much as you are by the end result. You don't care for the behind the scenes content.
Saar is having a meltie.
>>221128615MELTIE SMELLY MY SUCKY AND MY VENTI.meltie my cheesecake and eating my pee pee
>>221128597>[non-quantifiable characteristic is functionally nothing more than how i feel about something] and consumerism aren't inherently connected
>>221128597you should stop saying "soul" and instead start saying "woo."
>>221128597the same thing can be said about aisi can be used for annoying ugly ads for casino gamesorai can be used to create a beautiful song or a funny video of a cat dancing. same shit.>The human factors and production methods behind the work don't matter to you as much. You're not wowed by the idea of someone's hard work and innovation as much as you are by the end result. You don't care for the behind the scenes content.this is such horseshit too.if you go see Metallica in concert do you give a shit about the sound technician?do you care about the roadies carrying the drum set? do you care about the security guards protecting the band?or you just care to see Metallica play? do you care about the 50 Indian men doing the cgi for avengers doomsday?
>>221128597>It's the same effect as with CG>new thing bad, old thing goodCould've just said that and saved everyone the time.
>>2211285174chan is very specific, "AI" is a nebulous catchall. Bad equation.What types of AI would you like me to forego? Because believe it or not, I'm not anti-LLM, and I do use Gemini a lot instead of standard Google searches these days. And I like it like that. I just don't like genAI in my arts and media, where, in the past several years, I've found that I actually quite appreciate the presence of human craftsmanship.The AI hate argument you projected onto me came out of your seething little head. These threads always go bad because of weirdos like you.
>>221128780you're giving him far too much credit. he's the guy who's pointing at the CGI malbolgia in spawn and going "see, CGI will never look better than that."
>>221128744>if you go see Metallica in concert do you give a shit about the sound technician?I do, actually. Technicians are often interesting in the sense that when they do their job right, they're not noticed. They're crucial for the overall experience, and if I happen to be in the situation to do so, I will praise their work.>do you care about the roadies carrying the drum set?Same as technicians, yes, I can appreciate roadies doing their job well.>do you care about the security guards protecting the band?Ditto>or you just care to see Metallica play?Naturally the most important part for me is to see the musicians at work. Even if it was an acoustic session with no technicians and roadies around.All of these jobs mentioned here involve human effort and craftsmanship, and I appreciate them even if I don't know the people's names.>do you care about the 50 Indian men doing the cgi for avengers doomsday?Yes, believe it or not. I like watching behind the scenes footage of CG being made. Ethnicity aside, the people who work these jobs more often than not are talented artists.Same would apply if they worked with practical effects, but my appreciation for their hard work would be greater.
>>221122964you prompted this post didnt you
>>221128892(you) 30 years ago:>ugh i hate watching bts now its all just nerds looking at computers where's the artistry
>>221128948Actually (Me) 30 years ago:>man these guys are wizards with their art software and shit
>>221128998anon we both know you're not over 30.
>>221128780>>221128810No, I just appreciate practical effects more than I do modern CG. Doesn't imply that I don't like CG. Don't be disingenuous, it's a bad look on you bros.It's a bit of a different situation, anyway. With practical effects I know there's a shitload of trickery and thinking outside the box to make the effects look... "passable", as they do at their best. With CG you can get lifelike results with much more conventional means. I love practical effects because it's recognizable and carries the sign of a team that did the best with whatever limited resources they had to work with. I like good CG because it still takes time, precision and effort by the studio artists to make it look as good as it can.
>>221125651What does local generation have to do with anything? Take away your local AI model/PC and you are still left with nothing, no art skills whatsoever. Reduced to being like a toddler with a crayon.Take away a digital artists PC, they can still pick a pencil and use their skills lol.Pajeets are so stupid.
>>221129117you do understand that no one thinks you were pointing at the CGI in spawn and saying "cgi will never look better than this," right? its an example. an example of the eternal luddite that is always part of every discussion about any rapidly advancing or new technology. we know you grew up with cgi replacing practical effects and accepted it, but now you can't accept ai replacing cgi because since you're not 13 anymore, the world is now moving too fast for you.
>>221127981And they're wrong/delusional, because it's not even theirs at all. It was made for them, not by them.
>>221129143>What does local generation have to do with anything?thanks for proving you have basically zero understanding of ai content generation.
>>221128892I don't see how jenna ortega dancing in the BTS footage is relevant to a work that should be judged on it's own merit instead of any ancillary bullshit. bts is supposed to show technical details to people who are curious about this stuff, now it's a marketing tool to display how many practical effects there are for impressionable fools like yourself, who wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyways, because literally everything has CGI.
>>221129178go back
>>221129448anon "behind the scenes" was coined by HBO first look in 1992. it was a show HBO used as a commercial and a timeslot filler between movies.
>>221129159>you do understand that no one thinks you were pointing at the CGI in spawn and saying "cgi will never look better than this," right?It's your accusation right there, in writing. I get the intent, and from it I know full well you're arguing in bad faith. I'll still address the points directly, because why not.You assume too much, CG was already everywhere when I was a kid. My appreciation for practical effects came much later.My critical view of genAI in media is based on my overall appreciation of human craftsmanship in the greater experience of consuming media, that's about it. I don't perceive genAI involving human craftsmanship nearly to the degree that I would find respectable.>the world is now moving too fast for youI can actually bring this back to my original point here. I don't care if the world passes me by, go right ahead, make all the AI masterpieces you want. There's lifetimes of quality pre-AI media out there for me to consume. And you don't need me and my money either, if AI really is so great.But you'll still make these threads, and they'll still devolve into the usual shitflinging, semantics and vacuous gotchas instead of anything that'd really present genAI content in a positive light. Bit sad, innit.
>>221129615Okay you're autistic as well as retarded, if not underage.
>>221129638I may be a sperg. Don't have a diagnosis.I just find being honest and contrary fun in bait threads.
>>221129615your argument is "takes more effort, therefore good" which was talked about already. if that was the case we would've stuck with realism and sculpture as the pinnacle of human achievement, instead of adopting new techniques as they became available.
