>under mind control>still does whatever the fuck he wants?
>>221123596IS IT REALLY SLAVERY IF YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT?
>>221123596Just be strong enough to raw force through magic crap.
>>221123596Toriyama legitimately forgot what the M meant or was supposed to do, as it didn't seem to impact the story in anyway.
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>>221123630Majin
>>221123697Yeah, but again, no impact to having it besides sidelining things for le epic Goku VS Vegeta
>>221123596he literally explains it in the text of the show, saiyan pride makes it impossible to mind control themyou don't have to like it but it's like Ferengi brains not being vulnerable to telepathy, that's the stated rules for that alien race in that universe
>>221123596Go back to /a/
>>221123613SLAVERY FOR YOUUUU
>>221123596It would’ve been genius if a mind controlled Goku was the final villain of Z rather than some pink fucking goober. Alas Nips can’t write for shit
Why did the possession make him so vascular?
>>221123870>It would’ve been genius if a mind controlled Goku was the final villain of ZHonestly basedImagine Gohan holding back because its his dad and getting clobbered for his hesitance
>>221123870Z should've ended with Cell. Buu arc provided nothing for the story at all besides the retarded ssj3 sonic the hedgehog transformation, power scaling vegeta even deeper into the jobber trashbin, and going all-in with making every Z fighter completely worthless compared to Goku. Gohan had a brief redemption from annoying nerd to being on Goku's level with his deus ex machina power up before immediately jobbing in a deeply unsatisfying way. The peak of the arc was undoubtedly Vegito which was an amazing fight, before they of course ruined it by turning it into some retarded adventure through Buu's digestive tract.
>>221123902>Imagine Gohan holding back because its his dad and getting clobbered for his hesitancethat would be pathetic considering the cell saga ending in part was about Gohan learning to not hold back, that would just be a regression in character growthplus he fought Goku's body when he was swapped with Capt. Ginyu on Namek without issue.
>>221123902Goku Black should've been Goku if he never hit his head as a child. They didn't have the balls for it to actually be him, so of course they rolled with it just being his body possessed. That was such a wasted opportunity. They could've still had a feel-good ending by Gohan and the gang buckbreaking him into being good or whatever
>>221124000Fair enough. How would you keep it fresh then?
>>221124013for me dbz ends with the cell saga. gohan is the earths new mightiest hero, goku had a little otherworld tourney for ~10 eps after cell ends and he is awarded special training with the grand kai along with piccaron or w/e that piccolo ripoffs name is. there's no need to keep going, arcs completed.dbz wasn't about goku, his show was dragonball.dbz was about gohan, vegeta and somewhat piccolo and their character growth.goku doesn't change at all from the start, he's just a character that only engages in combat for the sport of it and once he sees that he's superior he loses interest.
Are you dumb? They literally show Vegeta fighting against the mind control.https://youtube.com/watch?v=d7IvsW9xHnU
>>221123630no he didn't
>>221123596he's the prince of all saiyans
He wanted to be his old self again but it’s kinda retarded because it’s like taking a short cut just match Goku but Goku is dead so. Also if Vegeta found out here that Goku could go SSJ3 at anytime he probably would have killed himself kek
>>221124068Dog shit take. I knew it.
>>221124127vegeta let babidi "take control" to allow him to bring out his potentialhe wasn't really controlled babidi
>>221124897>can't refute anything
>>221124897it wasnt a take at all. they ignored your question and answered something else entirely.
>>221123596he had to get mind-controlled by a cosmic wizard just to break the spell bulma had on him
>>221124904you just puked out some faggot shit you probably want to write in your group chat with "the boys" but dont because of fear
>>221123596he's that strong. saiyan pride n shiet. dragonball and z are incredible shows. GT is bad but consistent while super goes from irredeemably, insulting bad to pretty cool repeatedly, making for overall the worst of the series. while I enjoy all of z, there is a point during the android saga when bulma suggests that they just go blow up dr geros lab and prevent the androids from being created. goku says no because he wants to fight them, thus begins the flanderization of his character and transition to extremely dangerous retard who is worse than villains
>tranimeGrow up.
>>221123970anon super sonic was based on dbz not the other way around
>>221123970No, it should have ended at Frieza. Cell saga was already retarded. A human scientist being able to build robots stronger than Frieza and Super Saiyan Goku was retarded. There being multiple super saiyans at the same time was already retarded i the first place, it was supposed to be ultra rare. Vegeta marrying Bulma was retarded. Toriyama was way too retarded to write a goddamn time travel story. And this is where the power level scaling goes full retard as well, it was already getting out of hand before but at least they were in space, in the Cell saga it makes no fucking sense that they can fight at full power on the surface of the Earth without blowing it up.
>>221123970It’s completely lost in hindsight , as Cell now just seems like another typical DBZ villain with multiple forms and otherwise nothing special about himBut the entire point of the character at first was that he was made from the cells of literally everyone in DB history. He’d have Friezas strength, Piccolos regen, gokus attacks, etc etc hence the ability to do things like solar flare. This was supposed to make him the perfect composite villain to end the series onWhile Namek saga was peak DBZ, you can’t deny how perfect a note the Cell saga ended things on. Especially passing the torch to Gohan and completing Gohans arc which was foreshadowed from the very first episode he was introduced The Buu saga did cool things, especially at the beginning with the martial arts tournament and mystery around Shin, Babidi, etc but god damn did that saga just meander non stop with one fakeout after another (gotenks, ultimate Gohan, gogeta, and still kept chugging along). I still don’t know how that arc decided to end with another Goku asspull , considering the moment fusion was introduced you just knew it would eventually build to a Goku/Vegeta moment that sadly never even delivered
>>221125417>everything is retarded cause arbitrary shit the writer changed I don't like
Buu arc was the best arc and anons who disagree weren't alive +20years ago and follow the opinions of others instead of their own.
why are gaijins like this
>>221123596he’s built different
>>221123596omg just like obsession!
>>221123870they kinda did that in the ginyu saga
>>221123870in lore, wouldnt that just lead to a wet fart of an ending where he either goes back after 24 hours/when he runs out of energy? the buu saga was already written retardedly, i wouldnt trust him to pull off something like that even though it could be possible.
>>221123902>>221123870That's fucking retarded.Goku was beyond that shit by this point, he could have easily defeated Vegeta and Fat Buu but the point was it wasn't his place anymore.
>>221126035you will never be japanese
>>221125417What’s funny is even as a 10 year old or whatever watching for the first time, before online discussions of power levels was even a thing, i remember thinking how dumb an asspull it was for Gero to build androids (from humans no less) that were stronger than FriezaAt least the androids that could absorb power was a unique ability that made sense in universe. But it quickly became nonsensical scaling
>>221123870>>221123902They already did that. Goku's doppelganger Turles Ginyu stealing Goku's body Black Goku
>>221123596legit hate the goku glazing at every opportunity, even the son couldn't get a proper spotlight at the end of Zshit fucking series for NPD swarthoids
>>221123596SHUT THE FUCK UP! I'M GONNA SCREAM MY LUNGS OUT AND POWER UP NOW!
>>221124010They already did that with Turles.
>>221126035Do you have anything more to say? I'll blow you up now.
>>221125433I'd go further beyond and say the point of Cell was to be the manifestation of all of their fuckups.Krillin, Piccolo, the androids, Vegeta, Trunks, Goku. All of their fuckups made Cell possible and as powerful as he ended up being. It was up to Gohan to put him down in the end.
In Star Trek Voyager the crew is kidnapped and brainwashed into working at an alien factory. Tom Paris gets fired within a week. Be like Tom.
>>221123596Vegeta has MASSIVE tard rage to the point that ALL he was thinking about was beating the shit out of Goku. You can tell it was painful for him to reject Babidi's command and it was probably only possible because he was completely 150% laser focused on his beef, and also probably the fact he was putting out more power at that moment than even the(at that time) head gods of the DB universe. That level of power output is insane and probably overloaded any magic that Babidi had going on. It was also cool as fuck. The Goku vs Vegeta fight in the Buu saga is probably the only good part of the entire saga that isn't completely shit on by later events
>>221123718Vegeta paid back to Kakarot all the humiliation he received!
>>221123596Daima confirmed that Babidi was a shit wizard.
>>221123870No it wouldnt, you’re an awful writer
>>221125433This. Cell is the manifestation of everything that had happened in DB up to that point, and it's amazing that it all comes to a head with a tournament fight which is sorta DB's bread and butter. It also finally passes the torch to Gohan which was a long time coming. On top of that its also an arc where we see a bunch of characters surpassing their limits, even that of super Saiyan, but it doesn't get to crazy. Everyone is still just using SS and not all these extra crazy forms like 2, 3 or 4 or whatever. Its just a fully fleshing out of the SS form which feels much better to the story as how everyone lowers up feels way more unique and feels like a fully fleshing out and mastery of the form. Gohan turning SS2 wasnt even something anyone registered as a "thing" because at that point it feels like a form unique to him and his rage he has had for the entire series up to that point. Like a perfect culmination for him becoming his own. The fact that everyone just got SS2 tacitly later on, while cool, massively downplays everything especially when you chuck SS3 into the ring. That doesn't even touch how SS3 feels like one of the imperfect upgrades to SS that Goku himself rejected earlier. SS3 is basically SS2 grade 2 or something and is extremely wasteful as a form
>>221123596You guys realize that you’ve got such a habit of assuming everything is slop or garbage or a mistake or some lolcow material, that you turn yourselves stupid asking elementary school level questions just to get them wrong and act like the obvious answer wasn’t explained to you in plain English in the show
No wonder incels who have never kissed a woman like this aneme.
>>221124892Its kinda an interesting thought that Vegeta may have been stronger than Goku under normal circumstances. Goku had a dead body that had way more endurance than normal which is the only reason he unlocked super saiyan 3 in the first place and the only reason he could use the form for longer than a brief moment at all. Despite this Vegeta is able to fight on par with him. Had Vegeta been dead and been training he probably would have unlocked super saiyan 3 as well and maybe would have been stronger than Goku. Nobody really points this out that Goku was way more durable during their fight as SS2s
>>221123873It increased his blood pressure, that's why he was so angry
>>221126792>thinks people who watch anime have functioning brains
>>221126817I really hate how genuinely stupid they made Goku in Super.
>>221126817What youtube show is this?
>>221127005Its honestly more enjoyable if you do have one!
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>>221123630It made Jobgeta strong enough to draw SSJ2 Goku because Jobgeta is too weak on his own.
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>>221127223The commander is actually way taller than both Goku and Bejita.
>>221126035israeli hollywood producers made all of those posts btw
>>221126085SSJ3 takes a lot of energy to use and at that point Goku hadn't mastered it yetThere is a legitimate argument that yes, Goku would have been significantly more powerful than Vegeta, but he might not have been able to secure the win before he's burned through too much energyThis is basically what happens in Resurrection F btw - Golden Frieza is actually more powerful than Blue Goku, but it doesn't matter because he burns through it way faster than Goku does (then the bullshit laser happens lmao)
>>221125660Maybe it's the worst written arc, but considering how much iconic stuff came from it e.g. Super Saiyan 3, Vegito, Majin Buu, Majin Vegeta, Ultimate Gohan, Universal Spirit Bomb etc. you just can't hate it. Most of the things I associated with the series before I was familiar with it came from the Buu Saga. It's just too kino.
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>>221127223bejitabros....
>>221127511toriyamas bw ink art is so fucking beautiful and clear
>>221127512
Best scene in the anime. Spopovich, or whatever his name was, is the most based character.
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>>221123596Yeah he was just in it to force Goku to fight him
>>221127650Fucking KEK
>>221127445>The commanderChief child rapist*
Cell-saga had exactly two good fights: first Goku vs Cell fight on the arena and the last Cell vs Gohan fight.Buu-saga had all of the tournament, Majin Vegeta vs Goku and many others.That said, I wish Toriyama hadn't gone so far with the power level bullshit even in DB (destroying the moon).DB still has the best fights in the series.
>>221123596>>221123630>failing to understand Dragon Ball of all showsHe just wanted the power boost and for the evil in his heart to be revived, he didn't want to be a servant of Babidi and resisted his control.
>Piccolo meditating under a river>Intrusive thoughts about being powerless to help Gohan during Cell Saga>Urge to get stronger intensifies>A seed of the demon king that babidi can exploit>Based Saiyaman arc>Based Mr. Satan and Buu>Tournament is a chill boomer affair featuring Yamcha, Tien, Krillin, 18 and Gohan suppressing his power level. Vegeta just has depression without Goku.>Final battle is MYSTIC GOHAN vs. MAJIN PICCOLO>Vegeta kneels and becomes Gohan's sidekick for the battle thus completing his arc (because he was only ever a shitty space samurai with an evil master, not a good rival)Majin Vegeta's head tilt during that tournament was so fucking cool as a kid but as an adult you realize his character literally ruined the whole show. Him being super strong willed and repeatedly showing himself to be a huge pussy is so stupid.
>>221127625I wonder how strong some characters would be under the Majin Mark. If the power boost is relative to their evilness, imagine how strong Freeza could be under Babidi's control.>>221127650LOL
>>221128044Bulma at that moment definitely realised she married the right guy. Fuck you, Yamcha!
>>221128035>repeatedly showing himself to be a huge pussyWhat are you talking about? That's the last thing you can describe Vegeta with.
>>221127242he was clearly equal to goku before majin poweras stated by goku himself
>>221127625>>221127650People complaining about how Videl isn't aggressive anymore... maybe she has some serious PTSD from that fight...
>>221128245Goku was lying, he could already go SSJ3 by that point.
>>221123630>Toriyama forgotThis more or less sums up the entire plot of Z and all the dumb shit that happened
>>221127650Toriyama must have had a fight with his wife when drawing that chapter, there was no reason for that fight to be so brutal and drawn out, at least do something interesting with Videl after a massacre like that. It would've been fine if she actually did have PTSD following that.that knee to the face was one of the moments where the anime censored something(like Gohan kicking the Cell Jrs into blue smoke), in the manga that knee knocked out her teeth.
>>221128273Yeah but as SSJ2 they were both equals. Jobgeta just couldn’t go further beyond
>>221123970I liked the super saiyaman filler episodes. Otherwise, what does the buu saga have to offer besides FUSION HOO and Vegeta's big bang attack? Didn't even like fusion
>>221128327It shows the superior fusion of Goku and Bejita instead of that non canon Toei trash
>>221128245>>221128321If they were equal, he wouldn't have taken the Majin boost.
>>221128321Doesn't matter to his SAIYAN PRIDE, he wanted to fight Goku at his full power, Goku chose not to
>>221128321because bejita is a consistent characterhis powerup doesn't rely on asspull like kakarot
>>221127042blame all the anime hipsters who whined about "Westernized Superman Goku" and "erm ackshually, -SON- Goku is supposed to be a retarded sociopathic country bumpkin!"
>>221128367if both characters are equal, there would be no winnersince both are equalyou do understand the word "equal", right?
>>221128388His SSJ1 was a total asspull.
>>221128418Aside from Jobgeta cheap-shotting Goku, there was no winner.
>>221128241It's not the last thing - it's probably the second thing. He gets overconfident and sadistic when he's winning and starts crying and yelling that its hopeless as soon as the villain (who he allowed to power up) powers up. Even Yamcha has never been shown groveling for mercy or crying.Vegeta's whole hard work and training thing is so dumb in hindsight too considering he's all about status and genes.
>>221123870>>221123902That's capeshit writing.
>>221127223You got this without the text bubble
>>221127511Only thing that's missing is the super art making everyone twinked out
>>221127512kek
