Now that the dust has settled, what did /tv/ really think of this?
A genuinely excellent movie that deserves to be seen as the best animated feature film ever made. Holds up amazingly well on rewatch and is full of details that make it richer and more satisfying to watch when you see all the things its doing and how its able to explore various themes through them.The English dubbing is on the other hand horrendously overrated given how much of the film's depth obviously goes over the head of the writer and voice director. The acting is often quite good actually, but it utterly fails to preserve the full richness of what the film is in Japanese and changes the dialogue and tone far to excessively.
Better than the usual Disneyslop that parents subject their children to, so its a net benefit to society that Ghiblislop is winning awards. Its also technically brilliant animation too which helps, especially since everything else released at the time was some dogshit flash animation or janky 3D rubbish that you could applaud your child for making but was honestly embarrassing for a full studio of adults to produce. Unfortunately it is still Japanese, and it undermines Western culture. So it can never truly be more than a 7/10.
This movie helped my child entering a new school
>>221124303it's great
>>221124303Any webm requests?
>>221124303I feel like I need to be Japanese to get this movie. I've enjoyed anime in the past but that one is too damn weird.
>>221124399I watched it in english dub and felt like it was a good watch
>>221124303Kino. I don't understand Japanese, but it felt darker in subs compared to the dubbed version.
>>221124427Any examples?
There are jokes in the American version that aren't present in the Japanese one. For example no-face vomits a bit of goo and apologizes. In the Japanese version he just vomits. Then there's the ending. In the Japanese ending they just drive away, in the American one you can hear them saying some bullshit.
>>221124440The overall tone. Whether it's because I'm a native English speaker and the cast felt more positive compared to what I'm reading in the subtitles for the Japanese voices.
>>221124399There is nothing in this movie that you need to be Japanese to get
It's basically an anti-neet movie
>>221124478No-face did nothing wrong.
I wonder if the dad lost his job and even the new house after several months of no show
>>221124303Probably in his top 3 best works, everything works, it's just enchanting from beginning to end.
>>221124363spbp
>>221124549Hikikomori =/= NEET
>>221124363>Unfortunately it is still Japanese, and it undermines Western cultureHow does it undermine western culture?
The soot sprites are my niggas.
>>221124440The dubbing essentially erases multiple whole subplots from the film. The biggest and most explicitly changed one is the search for the dragon's identity. Chihiro initially sees this dragon at a point in the film, and neither she nor the viewer is supposed to know why it's appeared or what the significance of this is yet. The dub immediately adds a line 'explaining' that the dragon is actually Haku, which significantly damages this and following scenes (there are multiple times where the dub does this for things that are supposed to be left mysterious). There's a whole series of scenes where Chihiro comes to intuit Haku's identity, and realize her feelings for him and where they're coming from, and the dubbing more or less guts that and turns it into nonsense.>>221124549I wouldn't go as far as to say that, but No-Face is definitely depicted in a way that makes it clear he's supposed to be a creep specifically obsessed with 'Sen' and driven psychotic by what he perceives as being continual dejection from this young girl, rather than just being a comedically weird crazy dude who who offers gold to trick people into being eaten because that's just his thing. It creates a very different feel the to movie and builds up a ton of tension.
This is also Miyazaki’s justification for partnering with Disney. Yubaba = Capitalist/Disney.>You have to be tough, so it’s actually good to work with them even if they’re evil. And it's not like everyone in Disney is evil.
>>221124365Thats great Craig how are the kids?
The last great work of Japanese animation, never to be surpassed
>>221124349FpbpThere is still some hope for /tv/
>>221124303The only masterpiece Miyahacki ever made.It is genuinely a good story, excellently delivered, from start to finish.
>>221124694It's all happening too fast, my babies aren't babies anymore
>>221124399There's literally nothing weird about this movie at all. It is a classic fairy tale.
>>221124349The English dub is good, as I feel most Ghibli films are. But they do often lose something in translation yeah.
>>221124802not even being contrarian but nausicaa, mononoke, and totoro are clearly more important
>>221124830I mean is almost its almost imposssible to lose nothing in translation
>>221124854>more importantWho gives a shit?Nausicaa is just a dull story (excellent world building, though).Mononoke is an unfinished sloppy mess.Totoro is very good, but nowhere close to Spirited Away. I like that he didn't cheapen the plot by killing the mother in Totoro, though.
>>221124600>How does it undermine western culture?I don't want to go through the entirety of Western Canon, but it is hostile towards Enlightenment ideals while also heavily promoting East Asian values and aesthetics. There is that cultural mysticism that runs directly oppositional to Western ideals, an imposition of ideology that really prevents a Western audience from really embracing it, you have to sit down and tell your child afterwards, "That was a nice movie, but we don't do X, Y or Z in this country because it naturally leads to moral decay and kills people." Lest you want them to become some foundationless loser that spends all day on the computer.
>>221124605I like the Radish spirit.
>>221124902But western culture has been in moral decay compared to Japanese culture
>>221124303Go back to /a/
>>221125594This movie was distributed by disney in the west, making it hollywood and hence relevant on /tv/
>>221125617Go back tranny
>>221124532>underwater railroad with wooden ties on gravelAs a railroad engineer this triggers me greatly.
>>221125653Its a spirit train
>>221124303Masterpiece through and through. I hate it when contrarians try to undermine a work on account of its popularity and accessibility. My only aesthetic complaint would be that I wanted to see more "real" Japanese spirits/folk creatures, when most of the designs in the film look headcanon-y. But then who the fuck am I to tell Miyazaki how his culture should be portrayed.>>221124931This, Radish was a bro.
Anyone find the ending less satisfying?
>>221124303I really wish I got to experience these ghibi movies as a child rather than an adult. Feels like it would’ve had a bigger impact somehow.
>>221125010>But western culture has been in moral decay compared to Japanese cultureThis is exactly the sort of distortion that I am talking about. You've taken a fundamental reality of the world, flipped the narrative entirely, to try and promote the exact opposite of the reality of the situation, then wonder why Spirited Away is not a 10/10 film. Your mind is warped, twisted, unsound, the Japanese went from a Shinto-Buddhist society balancing humanity with a harmony with nature (see: bonsai and traditional earthquake proof wood joinery and so on) to a full on hypercapitalist hellhole where everyone lives in concrete cubes adorned with gaudy neon-lights. Hell, its a fundamental part of most Ghiblislop, the complete destruction of traditional Japanese culture and their disconnect with nature. They can't even do the bare minimum of retaining their own language any more, every second word of spoken Japanese is now an English/Western loanword. Meanwhile the West still dominates, for example from the intellectual well a wealth of philosophy being pumped out on how to treat humans in the age of AI from the pope to white boy video essays on youtube, while China and India and the rest of the world beg to be our economic slaves and sit there like dogs salivating at our financialisation or LARPing our democracy.Its really hard to say the West is in decay compared to the complete rot that is Japan.
>>221125945How is Japan worse than West as a moral society?
It made me want to eat chinese food, so I drove to chinatown and ate a bunch of food.It was totally gross. I felt betrayed.
>>221126002Should have probably tried japanese food
>>221126002>doesn’t like fried rice and orange chicken Your tastebuds are wrong
>>221125846I was about Chihiro's age when the movie came out and I'd been literally dreaming about what it could be about based on the prerelease images, and after the movie came out I had a bunch of dreams about being Chihiro's friend and Haku's apprentice. Noface featured a bit in them too, but not in an antagonist role, just because his design was so memorable.
>>221126026That's mexican food and you know it.
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>>221126017Looks chinese to me
i really liked it when i was 19, like really liked it. i had it on dvd
Fun reddit fact: The bathouse is a brothel.
>>221126316Did you get rid of all your DVDs? I've still got many of mine, including Spirited Away - been meaning to get it on blu-ray or 4k.
>>221126374That's a grey area with the Japs.
Sprited away?Thats what they call the things I do to 10 year old girls!!! ;-)))))))))
>>221124303Saw it in theaters in English and Japanese. Both were great. It's a universally lauded film, so there's no dust to settle.
