>>221114559
But how long... will I have to remain cancelled?Forever?
So RTD just took a lot from stuff like Buffy and Angel for his Doctor Who revival. Stephen Moffat created that sort of tumblr show format (along with his show Sherlock and other shows like Merlin, Supernatural being big tumblr shows). Chibnall did something, I guess. RTD 2.0 did RTD but with trans. What shows can a new showrunner really copy at this point?
>>221131116>chibnall is the ONLY original writer in all of nu-whochris-sama... i kneel
>>221131116>Stephen Moffat created that sort of tumblr show formatTumblr absolutely despised Moffat back in the day so I don't know what you mean. Twitter hated his guts too. Moffat's style is turbo cringe but it is unique.
>>221131136>Tumblr absolutely despised Moffat back in the day so I don't know what you mean.SuperWhoLock was how tumblr fans loved Supernatural, Doctor Who and Sherlock. YES they did bitch about Moffat all the time but love and hate are very close. A lot of these people were HUGE fans of this shit whilst also hating and criticising it. Heck, most fans of something these days just complain a lot. So yes, Moffat did perfect the tumblr show. There is a reason shit like Sherlock is endlessly dissected by BreadTube amongst others.>>221131134Not really, Timeless Child just feels like Moffatisms and some RTD thrown in there but both worse.
>>221130319nta but Jodie is certainly the worst actor to have ever played the Doctor by far. Her only real rival there is Ncuti because even Aunt Jemima mogged her and ALL THIRTEEN piss on her.
>>221131136Yeah, there's this weird perception that Smith was "the tumblr Doctor" or "the American audience Doctor". I've spoken to Americans who were on Tumblr at the time, and the all like RTD and Tennant (cause based progressive gay man and shit), and they all think Moffat is an enormous chud who only writes women to be sex objects (to be fair, he kind of does, and that's okay actually).You can tell when someone literally only interacts with the 4chan echo chamber. They have no fucking idea what they're talking about.
>>221125525You are fucking joking, right? Legs are one thing but Jenna mogs Karen face-wise.
>>221131201Timeless Child was pure Chibnall autism, you could try to make the point that RTD and Moffat were increasingly powercreeping the doctor, but they never explicitly said he was a whole nother species altogether.
>>221131214You're implying tumblr was all one thing. YES they constantly complained about Moffat and yet Sherlock, one of his shows, was one of the most talked about and enjoyed showed (as well as complained about). >>221131239>were increasingly powercreeping the doctorI think the Moffatism is the increasing overarching big plot implying titanic change or moment. Doctor's death or other such huge event coming.
RTD era - written by a gay man, so of course the woman is the POV character, and the Doctor is a mysterious suave stranger who you want to have sex withMoffat era - written by a straight man. So the Doctor (and Rory) become POV characters, and the women become these feisty enigmatic sex-bombs.There's your fundamental difference.
tumblr and shippers destroyed fiction and everything has their infection in it
>>221131269They only like Sherlock because they think he's gay.
>>221131116>>221131136>>221131201It was RTD who started pandering to proto-Tumblr. All Moffat did was inherit what Russell began. Makes you wonder how it would have gone down if Moffat was the showrunner in 2005. Maybe we still would have had a River Song but I don't think there would have been the Doctor/Amy/Rory love triangle, that was just a consequence of Russell making Doctor/companion romances a thing (yes I am aware of the kiss in the telemovie) to the point that the bastard had the cheek to have his cake and eat it and subvert his own subversion with Donna's "You're not mating with me, sunshine." routine.
>>221131116Westworld The X-Files Supernatural American Horror Story Foundation
>>221131333What would you take from those shows?
>>221131229Jenna has a moon face.
>>22113121410 was the sleeper hit in America while 11 is the Doctor that really took off with American audiences with America finally getting Doctor Who at the same time as the UK. This is why America has this intro in all of the Series 6 episodes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE
>>221131310What about Chibnall?
>>221131347If you talk to Americans, they almost always prefer Tennant though.If anything, what happened is Tennant caught on through word of mouth, and people went back and watched it, and then were caught up just in time for Smith.
>>221128312River and Clara were also divisive characters but they're ultimately approved because Alex and Jenna are legit great actresses and also babes. Then Moffat had to minger as Bill Potts (I have to believe this was mandated by the BBC) and everything has shat the bed ever since.
>>221131360Chibnall is asexual. He's like a kid playing with action figures.>the Doctor is a hero, and they're all friends :^)
Greenis!
>>221131344Karen has a neanderthal celt face and is already halfway to becoming her mother. Jenna meanwhile is a prime MILF.
>>221131369Bill was fine though, she didn't fall in love with the Doctor.
>>221131363I find people are completely 50/50 when it comes to Tennant or Smith.
>>221131229If we're talking about natural facial beauty then every single classical companion absolutely mogs nu-who. Of course, this was when women were openly chosen solely based on looks instead of just tacitly, also before birth control caused every women to have reduced estrogen levels.
>>221131201>Not really, Timeless Child just feels like MoffatismsTimeless Children is literally the opposite of Moffatisms.
>>221131342Westworld can be used as inspiration for reviving the Autons X-Files could give it more focus on the investigation and procedures, possibly also a skeptic companion Supernatural would give you the comradery and buddy aspect to defeating baddies AHS can be used as inspiration for rebooting the Weeping Angels and making them scary again Foundation can be used to inspire grander space settings and villains with high stakes plans
>>221131422How so?
>>221131369>Then Moffat had to minger as Bill Potts (I have to believe this was mandated by the BBC) and everything has shat the bed ever since.What do you think of Faye Marsay that was seemingly being set up as a companion before Coleman decided to stay on?
>>221131414Incorrect, most classic companions weren't that good looking.
>>221131422The Timeless Child feels like the ultimate Moffat creation. He already started messing with the Doctor's backstory. A secret past incarnation? Been there already. The difference is that instead of Jo Martin he would have cast Jenna Coleman as the Fugitive Doctor.
>>221131499She would have been cringe.
>>221131499kino eyes
>>221131386oh my god Greenis! Wow haha it's like seeing an old friend.
>>221131499Also a minger.
>>221131485The things Hell Bent was mocking? Chibnall went and did exactly those in The Timeless Children. Just like Let's Kill Hitler basically mocked exactly the things Chibnall did in Rosa.I will not elaborate further, either you get it or you don't.
>>221131528Kino boobs.
Did RTD, Moffatt, or Chibnall even actually like Doctor Who? A lot of times it seems they like the idea of it, and that idea is more some self-constructed idea of Doctor Who rather than reality.
>>221131502lmao
>>221131511You are extremely off the mark. Moffat's attempt at that kind of story is literally Hell Bent, one that deliberately rejects the wanking of lore and secret plot and instead focuses purely on characters instead. Moffat's very repetitive gimmick is teasing lore only to make it about characters instead, I don't know how it's 2026 and people still don't get that.
>>221131561If you do not know already, you can see them in The White Queen that also has Rebecca Ferguson.
>>221131568They just stuffed ideas of other shows into Doctor Who.
Strawpoll most attractive companion creator anon would love this thread.
Omega is hilarious. I love him.
>>221131511William Hartnell wasn't the first Doctor, it was actually a fat old black woman: :/William Hartnell wasn't the first Doctor, it was actually a hot babe with a big arse: :O
>>221131568RTD1 wanted to bring Doctor Who to life for a new generation. RTD2 turned the show into a vehicle for The Message because all sci-fi and fantasy had become LGBTQ+ recruitment grounds.It's heartbreaking being a straight fan of both Doctor Who and Star Trek. Being an outcast both in the real world and now the online communities took you in. You have no choice but to become a far left extremist or a far right extremist.
>>221131633Omega returning in Arc of Infinity is just creatively strange to me. In 1983 it was 10 years since he last appeared, so for people at the time they are either not going to know who he is or remember - apparently The Three Doctors got repeated with a bunch of other serials given it was the 20th anniversary prior to Arc of Infinity, but then that seems more incidental or last-minute realisation. That leads to the second point, why not bring back Omega for The Five Doctors? Not saying that would be better or worse outcome for Omega and the anniversary special, it is just more a wider feeling they are not really thinking it out.
>>221131637Please do not post images of my wife being forced to watch by me poorly animated reconstructed First Doctor and Second Doctor serials after I had to slap her for saying NuWho is better than Classic Who.
>>221131637Moffat would have established the Timeless Child as a bootstrap paradox from the start.Which is probably what whoever inherits this mess is going to ultimately do anyway.
>>221131592It's Moffat without him restraining himself. It's basically what Moffat2 would be. He already showed he was no stranger to messing with the Doctor's past.It's like how RTD2 is RTD without the limiters he had.
>>221131637This is the little girl who played the first timeless child, and thus the first incarnation of the Doctor today. From her Instagram.
>>221131731The Five Doctors was a rush job like every story then, T Dicks just making some stuff up quickly after Holmes bailed out. He put Rassilon in after the stuff from The Deadly Assassin.
>>221131863What are the odds that the next stage of Doctor Who actually ends up being Moffat2?
>>221131871Funfact: blacks don't have belly buttons because they're the spawn of Satan.
>>221131863But he did it better.
>>2211319030.2%. He'll easily be tempted to come back and write another but he's not going to stick around ever again. Of all the showrunners he's the likeliest to write another story. And Chibs is gone for good.
>>221131871>The Timeless Children was six years agoUh... how old is she now?
>>221131910Why the fuck would a hyperintelligent computer go in the sea despite knowing it would destroy it?
>>22113194313. She was 7 in the show.
>>221131710RTD1 was just as full of the message. It was full of gays like Jack,
>>221131863Moffat without restraining himself would not write Timeless Children. Moffat without restraining himself is series 6 and the River Song flirting cringe.
>>221131950K-9's intelligence is all over the place, confounded more by how he also seems to be programmed to be a dog. There is a serial with Romana (I think Romana I) where she asks him what tennis is and he starts listing all the various types, she tells him to forget it and walks, and K-9 then deletes all his memory banks on tennis. There is a serial where K-9 is going to be melted or something in a furnace and, though I may be remembering incorrectly, I am fairly confident there is something he will not move because he has not been told to despite clearly recognising he is in danger.
>>221131935Cooperhilier
>>221131310both are OOC shit. you don't know real Doctor Who.
>>221132015ROMANA: K9, what is tennis?K9: Real, lawn or table, mistress?ROMANA: Never mind. Forget it.K9: Forget. Erase memory banks concerning tennis. Memory erased.No idea what the second one is.
>>221132035It is the The Armageddon Factor but I cannot remember if he is remembering correctly.>>221132015>programmed to be a doghttps://youtu.be/WSoC1VUdavE?t=108
Rewatching McCoy to get ready for the next wilderness years, and this show has always been woke as fuck >the brigadier was replaced with a black woman>shoehorned "no coloureds" sign so show racism bad>anti-thatcher propaganda>whole out of place speech about the evils of slavery out of nowhere>ace's jacket literally has communist symbols on
>>221132085>the The Armageddon FactorHow retarded of me.
>>221132085https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8y38jV1sqQ
>>221131568They're 100% people who grew up with it, and liked the idea of it, but probably rarely if ever went back to watch any of it.Nu-Who is so spiritually a different thing. So much of it hangs on the basis of the Doctor being the best and most amazing hero ever, and that's just not what the original show is. That's the show that exists in the hazy imagination of a fanboy, who used to dress up as Tom Baker and pretend to be the Doctor on the playground.
>>221131975I'm sure there'd be plenty of flirting as well, but for the man that made the Doctor's life so defined by Clara from Clara being the person who gave the Dcotor the fear that drove him to the stars, to Clara being the person who introduced him to his TARDIS I don't think an incarnation of the Doctor before 1 is beneath him. His version of the Timeless Child wouldn't be the same as Chibnall's, but it'd fill a similar role. He'd probably make the Doctor Tecteun while the Master would be the Timeless Child as a meta joke on how the Master can survive anything.I can see it now, the Doctor being presented the story of the timeless child by the Master, thinking he was the timeless child until the Master taunts the Doctor for thinking that he was the timeless child when he was Tecteun.
>>221131795How so?
>>221132095Please consider:Killing yourself.Thank you,the /who/ community.
>>221131710>gays elbowing their way into every autistic hobby space, and telling people to transition or get outIt's crazy how this happened, and we don't talk about how weirdly abusive it was.Literally kicking down on the one people on a lower rung of society than themselves.
>Elisabeth, for the show's intro credits we want you to come across a depressed alcoholic woman who is slowly descending into madness in the English countryside. Oh, and the show is going to be named after K-9.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu7OiJpnlUs
>>221131908Source?
>>221132129Tard RTD and Moff at least regularly watched old episodes. See any issue of DWM for evidence.
>>221132150The Curator regenerates into a little black girl and falls through a wormhole.
>>221132129Then you have someone like Nicholas Briggs who practically has the script for Death to the Daleks printed on his fucking eyelids. Say what you will about Big Finish but that man eats, sleeps and breathes Doctor Who.
>>221132093How is communism woke?
>>221132170>okay so we'll show you day drinking followed by driving in the middle of the roadthis is like an over the top parody of the 80s by a modern comedian
>>221132093McCoy era's wokeness and the Wilderness' wokeness was very high-brow and mixed with tons of edgy sci-fi concepts.completely different from RTD's soap opera slop written for women and Moffat's dumbed down timey-wimey.
>>221132093Don't forget>British fascists in Remembrance>Neo-Nazis in Silver Nemesis>White kids firebombed muh brown friend's houseFunny this all happened within the twilight years when they knew their days were numbered. I like to imagine it would have mellowed out had the show continued into the 90s.
>>221132186yes, and they unironically think most of it sucked and they know better. we all see where that went.https://drwhointerviews.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/steven-moffat-1985/
>>221132196Is that your drawing of Nicholas Briggs? It is not very accurate.
>>221132260He later (by 2005) was saying that was a whole period of stupidity he disagrees with entirely now so nuh-uh.
>>221132247the BBCs was doing everything to have the ratings go down out of spite for the series. the leftists simply had nothing to lose anymore so they went all out.
>>221132247>>221132286Wrong lol.
>>221132260>Even for the 60’s, it was slow. If you look at the first episode of Doctor Who, that betrays the lie that it’s just the 60’s, because that first episode’s really good. The rest of it’s shit.Lol what a fucking mong.
>>221132247>>221132224>Ben AaronovitchI don't even need to open the early life section.
>>221132212Woke is communism
>>221132313How so?
>>221131637>William Hartnell wasn't the first Doctor, it was actually a fat old black woman: :/Retards can't even criticize Chibbers properly.
>>221132310>Aaronovitch is the son of the economist Sam Aaronovitch who was a senior member of the Communist Party of Great Britain>Aaronovitch was born in the East End of London to Jewish immigrants and his early years were devoted to activity as a Communist Party militant and then a party full timer. In 1945 he was the election agent for one of only two Communist candidates ever elected to the London County Council.[2]
>>221132260I like Peter Davison but why does Moffat have such an insane boner for him given he rates Five so hard while slagging off everything else.
>>221132284>the way I thought of this series for decades definitely did not influence me when I ran it (into the ground)sure Moffag
>>221132305>old who good because old>new who bad because newYou're such a fucking idiot.
>>221132260>Mostly they were middle of the range hacks who were not going to go on to do much else. Over 26 years, the hitrate is not high enough.Ironic.
>>221132093it goes through peaks and troughs. The third and seventh Doctor eras in particular had a bunch of crypto-commie stuff that certain writers snuck in.
>Lambert was born in London, the daughter of a Jewish accountant>Sydney Cecil Nudelman[5] was born in Toronto on April 1, 1917, the son of a Russian-Jewish immigrants.[
>>221132343I didn't even say anything about New Who, you tit. I'm just saying Moffat was a dipshit to dismiss the foundational era like that.
Classic Series>Meant to be disposable trash>Is mostly kinoNew Series>Meant to be kino>Is mostly disposable trash
>>221132260A lot of this just comes across as insecurity that he likes something that, which /who/ itself has no issue with riffing on, was pulpy entertainment with a shoestring budget aimed at families.
>>221132370Bruh, even his fake last name is one letter away from Jewman. He's like a Star Wars character.
>>221132387>My silly little OC from years ago is still being postedLol, 'ppreciated.
>>221132395>Stephen Russell Davies was born on 27 April 1963 at Mount Pleasant Hospital in Swansea. His father, Vivian Davies, and his mother, BarbaraAren't Vivian and Barbara also Jewish names?
>>221132370none of them played any significant role in the series after a few years though, and by that point almost all the initial ideas they created were removed, reworked or retconned.
>>221132338Maybe it is because he can go 'er, All Creatures Great and Small - that is a proper TV show that people like and Davison was in it'. Of the other Doctors of Classic that people would be able to identify them as being in other stuff is probably Pertwee as Worzel Gummidge, maybe also The Navy Lark depending on their age. Both of which Moffatt probably would dismiss as crap.
>>221132320Woke is a bastardised version of critical theory which is an offshoot of Marixsm
>>221132376It's an old interview and he's disowned it. Nobody cares anymore, no need to bring it up. Outdated evidence.
>>221132431How about no anti-semitism?
>>221132419it bears repeating.back in the 90s people were autistic enough to write entire novels to fix minor cock-ups or unusual revelations in decades-old episodes that were never aired again, or even lost.now people who watch (and write!) NuWho and have full access to previous episodes and continuity help with DVDs and wikis fail to remember actual canon-breaking storylines from a few years back or outright claim that they don't care about canon/continuity at all, except when they suddenly do.all while smugly pretending that NuWho is better written.
>>221132356There's that one scene where the 3rd Doctor says England for the English though.
>>221132469People are fans of the "fandom" now, as opposed to actually watching the old show.
>>221132419It is inaccurate to what the writers of the Classic Series actually did, we must note.
>>221132262Yeah, he's got a beard now. Sloppy work.
>Moffag in full damage control
>>221132438I would argue there's an injection of unhinged black conspiracy theory to the whole thing. That's where "woke" comes from. It's ebonics.The "Henry the 8th was black" people somehow crossbred with commies and feminists. It's all an enormous shitshow.
>>221132465I'm just posting the backgrounds of people involved in major decisions in Doctor Who's history.Michael Grade, controller of BBC1 when it was originally cancelled, btw:>Grade was born into a Jewish show business family originally called Winogradsky.[3]
>>221132483He's saying it's a bad thing. He also claims to be friends with Mao. Deeply cringe in retrospect.
>>221132542Mao was based.
>>221132469All fiction has been infected by comic book levels of writing.>Secret origins.>Pointless changes.>Changes made just to rile up fanbases to get attention.>Retcons.
>>221132483>England for the EnglishYikes.
>>221132487yes, that's how you end up with so many people mindlessly repeating "that contradicts 50 years of history" because they think the wikipedia blurb of the series is identical to Newman's 1963 proposal.not that I want to defend retcons but nufags are constantly exposing themselves when they claim that whatever lore concept in the series has been there "since 50 years" when half of them actually were hard retcons made along the way.
>>221132607well, RTD based NuWho on Buffy and Smallville. no wonder he thought comic-book writing was acceptable as long as it made women keep watching.
>>221132625Like what? The Timeless Child? I mean that does contradict stuff from basically the beginning really, first decade anyway.
>>221132660>first decadenice goalpost moving, nufag.
>>221132625Yes, but it all coalesced into one thing, and then a big stupid faggot uprooted it all for no reason.Plus, making the Doctor extra special betrays a lack of understanding of what makes him a fun character.
>>221132284Did he actually change his mind though or was it just in response to getting flak?
>>221132591I randomly have stored in my brain the knowledge that actress is wife of the guy who wrote Inferno. What fucking useless pieces of information I retain.
>>221132689No no, I'm genuinely asking for examples. I know you can argue it's not contradicting the oldest episodes, so what else do people say other than the Timeless Child idea? Because I don't think there are many examples of stuff in the Revived Series "contradicting 50 years" of the show, by almost any standard.
>>221132710>it all coalesce into one thinghad Moffat decided to not uphold the 12-regeneration limit (as RTD initially planned) you would be there smugly pretending that it never mattered anyway and make up some headcanon explanation.I'm not defending the retcons, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in judging which retcons are acceptable and which are not, in particular when people use appeal to anteriority.Classic retcons were mostly fine in the end because they were extremely rare and ambiguous. pretending that all NuWho's retcons get a pass because the last one was harder than the one before just exposes people as nufags who use Classic as an argument in their stupid shownrunner wars without actually understanding Classic and how it worked.
>>221131637There was a dimensional being who could do all that Time-Lord shit. She doesn't remember anything about her life pre-kidnapping from Tecteun.Tecteun tortures her and rolls that regeneration skill until its secrets are laid bare. Presumably, she then tortures this memory out of this being and messes with the memory so it appears like they're an Irish lad getting abused in an office. Ruth, who doesn't remember this, is one of the incarnations of the Doctor who is employed in the secret service with a Tardis that's a police box. This is somehow the same Tardis she steals as Hartnell, or she's got a penchant for the 1960's and a brand new copy of "How to not fuck the chameleon circuit" she is yet to read through. Despite being Gallifrey's best soldier only employed to to the dark things the Doctor would never do, has the mentality of the Doctor and calls herself that too. Also doesn't do dark things, is nice.This also gets wiped from her memory and she turns into a kid. Clara grabs his ankles for a laugh. Hartnell does not remember this.Hartnell, without any knowledge of being an interdimensional being, somehow manages the entirety of Time Lord school again and meeting people he would have surely met anyway (he doesn't remember) and steals a Tardis that looks exactly like the one he had in the Gallifreyan service. He then goes the 60's and makes it look like the one he had. (He does not remember though.) Susan calls him the Doctor and despite having no knowledge of the person he was before, goes by that name and acts exactly like Ruth.I hate ChibnallAlso absolutely nothing was stated that Hartnell wasn't hiding a fat arse underneath his slacks.
>>221132815I just think it's a shit idea. And something that was obviously done for political reasons I don't approve of.Plus, the Doctor being a dashing space adventurer before Hartnell is certainly contradicting the spirit of the early episodes, even if things weren't absolutely written down and stamped as "canon".Like, he very clearly doesn't know what the fuck he's doing for about the first whole season at least.
>>221131950He couldn't stand being with a dumb bitch who would first throw a ball in the sea and then wonder why a dog would go fetch it, so he decided to cut off the face to spite the nipples.
>>221132935>cut off the face to spite the nipples
>>221132803>Pik-Sen LimDid you know that she also narrated the opening monologue of Dark Souls 1 & 3, and also played the Killer Cleaner in Johnny English?
>>221132815the Doctor was supposed to be human at least up until the latter half of S6. he refers to himself as human in casual conversations multiple times.Susan was human too, hence the Doctor letting her live presumably the rest of her life with a human"renewal" was supposed to be a technological process. it was retconned as a natural biological one and renamed "regeneration" in S11.the entire character of the Doctor was radically changed during S5 when the producers decided to give the Doctor more and more super-human abilities he never was supposed to have before. this culminated into retconning him as an alien with human form in S7 (something the audience would probably have found confusing before), but it's unclear if the producers had actually planned to go that far or if they initially wanted to keep the Doctor as an augmented human from the far future as implied in S5-6, and simply thought later that retconning him as alien was just more convenient (and who cares if Susan's exit doesn't make sense anymore)none of the pre-S1 concepts that mentions the Doctor's people (not "species", see above) resemble what the Time Lords ended up to be. they were fully made up in S6 to fit in an ambiguity that was never meant to be filled.and that's just the first decade.
>>221133191The simple explanation is that he's half human.
>>221132247how are these woke, they're actual historical events?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk-xABKifnY
>>221133294that's unironically what the TV movie producers thought to fix the contradictions.
>>221133379>that cameo at the endkek
>>221133388>>221133399
>>221133191I mean, we know regeneration was a plot contrivance because Hartnell was dying, and him being an alien just followed on from there.If anything, that's the show's mythology taking form. it's not the same thing as Chibnall coming along and deciding he has cart blanche to recontextualise everything we have ever seen up to that point, and in the process just breaking things that made perfect sense (like the Tardis' police box shape)Early examples of the Doctor referring to himself as a human can be hand-waved. No one really cares. Either he's pretending to be a human, or playing coy about using his own planet's name for whatever reason. it's fine.
>>221133399It's like when Boba Fett shows up in the Star Wars prequels.
>>221133328>White racists firebombing brownie houses>actual historical events
>>221133498I mean, it literally happened three days ago.
Someone post Colin looking with utter contempt at Savile, pls.
>>221133533I feel that there's context missing here.
>>221133436>literal textual contradictions>that's the show's mythology taking formthere you have it. double standards. typical nufag defense.
>>221133577Belfast, probably.
>>221133594Yes, it's a double standard, because I think the foggy half-formed mythology of the first four years is a lot easier to wave away.Why can't the Doctor just have been lying about being human? Or saying he was human to save time, since everyone assumed he was anyway?>erm, actually I'm not a human. I'm a Timelord from the Planet GallifreyWhat's would be the point of him saying this, in context? Is he going to win anyone over that way?
>>221133533It did happen recentlyI know the rest is a bunch of bullshit but this is a certified happening.
>>221133191How many more times are you gonna post this image? Old show was shit, we know.
It's like when they go to Earth in Star Trek 4, and Spock simply allows everyone to believe he's a human.It's fine, actually.
>>221133680>>221133577>>221133603I'm fucktarded and can't aim a reply correctly, excuse me, gentlemen.(Oh fuck, I did it again. Either there's a gas leak or I have brain cancer)
>>221133647>Why can't the Doctor just have been lying about being human?because that never was the writers' intention. because it doesn't make sense to have him lie in such casual chit-chat.you're trying to salvage your nufag vision of the show that is fundamentally biased with anachronisms, which is pretty ironic.everything regarding the Doctor's nature has always been retcons, and that was fine because ultimately it didn't really matter to the people who enjoyed the show for what it really was: an anthology.as long as people like you are so desperate on watching Doctor Who for "MUH LORE" (without even realising your lore is just the result of the penultimate retcon) then Doctor Who will never get away from stakes race, will never last decades again, will never gain viewers like it used to.
>>221133694Don't get me started on Star Trek 4.>whale hunting badI fucking know it's bad. I don't need to be preached at by a fucking sci-fi movie. Go back to making fun of hippies and making ridiculous attempts at "fighting" racism. At least those were funny.Anyway, since we're talking about it, can anyone recommend a Trek book? TOS era, not that TNG garbage. Thank you.
>>221133857Yes, but it doesn't matter, and you can ignore it.What do you want? You want an alternate timeline where Hartnell never had to leave the show? You think that's anyone's particular fault, and that they didn't pull an expert maneuver to get them out of that situation?Stop being a pedantic faggot now.
>>221133857Doctor Who isn't really compatible with a super complicated lore. The franchise is dying because it got so far up its ass with worldbuilding that new viewers had no on-ramp. RTD2 was like jumping into GoT with season 5. I read on Xitter yesterday that a millennial Whovian tried getting his kids into Ncuti but he never caught on. Did nobody from the BBC tell Rusty "Is this something an eight year old would like?"
>>221133929i want you to understand why NuWho was a failure, and why NuNuWho will also be a failure unless people finally realise that it is not the lore of Doctor Who that made it last so long, it was its format.
>get a partnership with disney>decide to make your show shitwhat did he mean by this
>>221133997But it's been going for so long now and frankly there's always been stuff like annuals and things to actually try and explain and make this stuff fit, even back in the '60s, so really you shouldn't take the TV episodes as the be-all-and-end-all. Dr Who and the Daleks was written in 1964 and wildly contradicts the first story anyway, and that then became the history as it really happened for a lot of people since the book was around forever but the TV show was gone for good.Learn next time before you try to correct others.
>>221133997I'm not even that big a fan of nuWho. I'm pointing out why "there were always retcons" isn't some reasonable excuse to add even worse retcons, that make things bad and stupid.
>>221134022Current-year RTD met current-year Disney. A perfect storm of shit.
>>221134032You, sir, are and idiot =(
>>221134022>Promise Disney another MCU full of hype moments and aura>Make your hero a crybaby theater kid who only appeals to other crybaby theater kids>After surgically extracting all hype moments and aura, leave the show an absolute mess of loose ends and abandoned plot threads>Act surprised when Disney bails
>>221133992I cannot imagine any kid following the garbage from the last 10 years. Shit, the only reason I stuck with it to the bitter end is because I'm a veteran Whofag with Stockholm syndrome.
>>221134028that isn't the win you think it is retard-kun. some novelisations introduced even more contradictions that actual competent authors tried to fix in the 1990s despite them ultimately becoming irrelevant when the original episodes became widely available again.compare that with Nufags who desperately need a compilation of all Moffat's DWM interviews to plug the plot holes of all his story arcs. no wonder the casual viewer will just stop watching.
>>221134022>make a really good Torchwood miniseries>shack up with American television network>make a really shitty Torchwood miniseriesRTD has gone from some America-hater to a pure Ameriboo. rather than encourage good British-made programmes under am advertising-free public service model, that's all old-fashioned, we should be more like the US where everything is glitzy and sells you Coca-Cola!
People can't seriously want Moffat back. Did you all just forget how every 2nd episode a random character would have a long passionate rant (set to inspirational ost) about how THE DOCTOR is the be all and end all, the best, the hero of the universe, the king of all worlds, God.
>>221134387RTD did it more.
>He's like fire and ice and rage. He's like the night and the storm in the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time and he can see the turn of the universe.
>>221134489>https://youtu.be/oEcij0ARkmU?t=47 starts playing>10 sprints into a room full of Eastenders extras doomed to die, doing his running Tennantface™>looks directly into the camera as it zooms onto his rabid stare>music quietens down>...>"OI'M THA DOC-TAH.">victorious trumpets start ringing in the background>sparks begin to fly behind 10 to enunciate his speech>"I'm 904 years old, WEEELL, 11 months, WEEELL, 13 days, WEEELL, 2 hours, WEEELL, 29 minutes, WEEELL 33 seconds old (fuck Big Finish gaps).">angelic choir starts singing in the background as every guest character's jaw disconnects from their skull and drops to the ground>"I am the Last of the Time Lords, the Space Jesus Lonely God™, the highest authority who's going to save all 93 gazillion people in the whole wide universe!">Kylie Minogue faints out of awe as Murray Gold's overly bombastic music blows out the eardrums of everyone on set, all side characters instantly die as a result>"You got a problum wiv dat, m8? Do you hate fun? In that case, ALLOOONSEEE, Well, I say allonsy but it's really more of a BREELLEEANT, HA!! Ooh, WOT?">10 spreads his hands out in a Christ-on-the-cross pose as angelic figures fly him up towards the heaven's little shop, while a pipe organ in the soundtrack reaches crescendo>he ascends into the heavens and warps into a Protoss Archon as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LlRFJBSA8E starts playing
>>221134489>>He's like fire and ice and rage. He's like the night and the storm in the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever. He ACK
>>221134387It's one dedicated fag
>>221134489>>221134546
>>221133992And yet appealing to children is also one of the things holding back the show because it keeps the writing purposefully subparWe're in a weird place
>>221134546>Hold me back, Ace. I'm about to knock some cunts out.
OI AM THE DOCTORAND YEW ARE THE DARLEKS
>>221134687If they kept the mountain of spinoffs proposal we could have had a DS9/Torchwood like show for older audiences. That's where you go crazy with the worldbuilding. It doesn't need a mature rating with swearing and gore every episode.
>There are three things you should fear in life, boy>Death>Taxes>And when the doctor...stops smiling.
>>221134560Why the fuck did they go to all the trouble of flying Slyv out, presumably paying him a huge hollywood salary, just for him to have no lines?
>>221134906He had a few lines in the movie.
>>221134760RTD also doesn't get that. All of his attempts at grown up spinoffs are still ultimately juvenile, but just have a load of sex and gore in them.
>>221134906The bigger question to me is why not have the Daleks execute Anthony Ainley Master? Just seems dickish not to ask him. I doubt he turned down the offer, he reprises the part for a 1997 computer game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L2LkspJTxU
>>221134906>a huge hollywood salaryBruh, this was a Fox telemovie filmed in Vancouver. You're talking as if it was shown in theaters alongside Independence Day. Sylv's payment was the holiday, really. BBV even did a documentary about his time in Canada.
>>221133997>why NuWho was a failureNuWho was more successful than the original show by a wide margin and no good faith discussion can be had until you get over that fact.
>>221134980https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEnsrcLSkYg
>>221134760I get ya but you can't trust the people making the show to do that. It peaked at Children of Earth but since then we've had utter dogshit like Miracle Day, Class and The War Between the Land and the Sea.
>>221135007Lol, lmao even.
>>221135008Such a weird idea the Daleks: 1) put The Master on trial for his evil, so both a trail and that they care; and 2) just it is the Daleks actually deciding to do something about him given I suppose the Time Lords are that shit they let him run amok. Obviously it is just trying to shoehorn the Daleks in, but it is retarded regardless of the creative reason.
>>221135016In the States, Disney tried to sell Land and Sea as a self contained miniseries. They don't even mention Doctor Who in the marketing. I wonder which bombed harder, TWBTLAS on Disney+ or Star Trek: Section 31 on Paramount+.
>>221135053I thought Disney was still refusing to stream War Between?
Always makes me sad when I think about how enthusiastic Pertwee was about doing those BBC Radio episodes. He would've fucking loved the Main Range.
Why is /who/ so alive?
>>221135083Because the show was just confirmed dead.
>>221135083Are you not aware of the good news? Doctor Who has been cancelled.
>>221135046iirc the later EU explanation was that the Time Lords let the Daleks try the Master as a publicity stunt to placate them and postpone the Time War. That's why the movie starts with the Doctor on his way to Gallifrey.
>>221135093How is that good?
>>221135083Laughing at RTD's big fat faggot face and his big fat faggot failures.
>>221135077Alternative timeline where Pertwee lives to be 101. Gets to do Main Range. Gets to see the revival and with it more people checking out Classic. Lives long enough to see the horror of the Timeless Child and dies.
>>221135068You're right LMAO. I saw it advertised months ago too. "Coming early 2026" Can they still use it as a tax write-off?
>>221135098That just seems silly if true. Why would the Daleks actually be placated with the Master? Why would they even put him on trial? Besides, the more comical part is the Doctor's framing about it being for the Master's evil as if the Daleks give a shit about whatever schemes or shits and giggles crimes the Master did. I get writers feel a need to try to account stuff that is just huh? or a contradiction or outright nonsensical, but if that is the explanation is does not seem a good one as to even bother.
>>221135083Because once things die down regarding the death of the show, that's it for /who/These might be some of the last threads /who/ ever gets
>>221135256>next time we get /who/ it'll be on /co/ to discuss the Cbeebies show>and just like Bluey we'll be banished to /trash/
>>221135109are you retarded?
>>221135283I'd assume he is baiting.
>>221135281>/co/ continues not to be trusted with preschool mediaImagine my shock. This is if like if /v/ wasn't allowed to discuss Yoshi or Roblox.
>>221135109Not him, but it's good because going turbowoke failed to the point where they're forced to acknowledge there are actual problems with the show and how it's been run, beyond the usual deflections of just calling everyone nazi fascist bigots or whatever. If the show comes back, it'll be because someone genuinely believes they can improve it and are willing to throw money around to that end.If the show doesn't come back, at least it won't fall further into degeneracy in the meantime while we wait for a miracle.
>>221135145Yeah... I don't think there's any timeline where this nigga makes it another 25 years.
>>221135145Poor Colin sounded knackered towards the latter end of Main Range so god knows how Pertwee would've been even in those earlier years, bless him.
>>221133857He was on the run, why would he reveal who he was when enemy ears might be listening?
>>221134197>we should be more like the US where everything is glitzy and sells you AIDS!ftfy
>>221135109It means the Show can't be ruined any further than it already has.
>>221135036There were three channels and ITV was on strike.
The Nestenes are at it again!
>>221132093At least McCoy has charisma and good chemistry with his companion.
How did Disney allow this to happen? You'd think after fucking up Star Wars they'd be more careful with big IPs but they're not. Where do you even go from here? How do you even fix this?
>>221135892Disney didn't have creative control, only streaming rights (which they didn't even want anyway, Who was forced on them as part of the Bluey deal)Disney had already de facto pulled out by the time Reality War ended. Common theory is that Billie Piper regeneration was RTD's hail mary at trying to generate interest again with nostalgiabait and hoping Disney would reconsider
>>221135892>You'd think after fucking up Star Wars they'd be more careful with big IPs but they're notIt doesn't matter if they've made a mistake before, if they don't try to recognize what went wrong and correct it, they'll just screw up again.For Star Wars, Kathleen Kennedy may be gone, but the rest of the leadership still thought the Mandolorian and Grogu tv special deserved to be put in theaters and get a superbowl ad.As for how you fix it, as long as the old guard's there you simply can't. They will always find some way to screw it up in the end.All you can do is wait a long time until they finally leave and hope there's still enough good will to warrant reviving a dead series.
>>221135892i think they will retcon this and make it like it never happened, i think it's the best solution, cause even RTD had no clue about what to do with her
Now that the dust has settled, Moffat was the best NuWho showrunner, right? All things considered?
>>221136042Trvke
>>221136042could have told you that with the dust still in the air
>>221135974Why was it packaged with Bluey? Isn't that show from strays?>>221136042Moffat when he's having fun is fine but 9/10 times he thinks of the Doctor as a god. He also loves just skipping centuries for whatever reason.
>>221136042Absolutely. The only questions are "Do you rank RTD1 and RTD2 separately?" and if the answer to that question is yes "RTD2 or Chibnall at the bottom?"
>but 9/10 times he thinks of the Doctor as a god.i dunno m8 this was written by russell t. davies...
>>221136172That could mean anything.
>>221136148R2D > Chibnall
>>221136148Nothing can ever top (bottom?) Chibnall as the worst showrunner ever. There wasn't a single good story in his entire run, even the usual cope of haunting of villa tomodachi is bullshit, that was just as bad as all his other shit.RTD2 at least had episodes you could watch and hold an opinion on, watching Chibnall Who was like a 45 minute lobotomy simulation.
>>221136270Revoluion of the Daleks is kino.
>>221136270How about the angels one?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KykWHFc1yx8The directing is terrible.The writing is terrible.The music is terrible.The acting is terrible.The plot is terrible.It's physically painful to watch anything from the Jodie era. A good actress let down by being a bad actress.
>>221136042He's the retard that drooled the least.
>>221136411>bring jack back>don't have him get killed so he can suddenly revive (chibnall's favorite thing is "tell, don't show")>john borrowman is also totally phoning it in
>>221136411Jack and the music is kino.
>>221136494and most importantly>jack doesn't flirt with or make sex jokes at 13, because chibnall is an asexual weirdo.
>>221136543He did kiss and flirt with Graham.
>>221136581>aw look doc i hate to bring it up but that yank fella just showed me his knob without even asking
>>221136581And it was really weird and not like his usual self
>>221136612It's because he thought Graham was the Doctor.
>>221136138Moffat liked the idea of leaving gaps for EU writers to play around with.
>>221136720yeah, and autistic RTD insisted on having each series take place one year after the other (even from the doctor's POV)
>>221136865fangirls go>ooooh he's the shortest lived doctor that's so tragic....no russell was just being retarded
>>221136148I think pretending RTD1 was as bad as RTD2 is really disingenuous. It's just pure seethe with no basis in reality. There is a massive difference between them.
>>221135083We're doing the autopsy. Ironically this is going to be some of the highest quality /who/ because any era of the show is open for debate
>>221137627I never liked this new "Troughton" fellow. He doesn't even look like the original actor!
https://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/1u5719w/steven_moffat_officially_speaks_on_doctor_who/based Steven.
>>221137802The GOAT of Doctor Who!
>>221137627Maybe we should start nominating a weekly serial, audio, comic, and book to keep discussion rolling,tbf though, I probably wouldn't take part.
>>221137802Love him
>>221137854I'll start. This week's theme is: the porn parody.
>>221137965There's only one?That's...kind of a letdown considering how long this shits been going
>>221137965
>>221137627This show just ran its course, no more episodes were needed. I stopped watching this show when there was an episode that implied that Gallifrey was saved somehow by being put into a picture, negating the Doctor’s cool backstory where he killed everyone to stop all the shit going down. It was obvious from this point on that the show had totally jumped the shark and had become nonsensical facade of its former self. The real question I want to know is why did (You) keep watching it? No judgment, we all watch trash, but this shit was making me angry at not just how poorly written it was, but that anyone thought it was worth the time to watch. The Doctor is an amazing character and the formula has been proven to work for generations but the writing became too awful to overcome. What made those few keep watching? Did you hate watch it, think it would get better, or was it nostalgia for a once great show? Same shit happened to Sherlock, it went one or two seasons too far but they shitcanned it before it too long unlike Who which they let drown in a puddle for a decade.
>>221138021>when a literal porn star personalitymogs jodiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxeTDAVofCY&t=79This is definitely one of the top 3 poorly aged lines I've ever heard in porn.
Oh it's the Moffsperg again.
>>221138093Sunk cost.
>Doctor no more
I like how the way they left it makes it practically impossible to just pick up as a continued run, mandating a hard reset.Like how do you even follow that?>this is the doctor>she has the face of a previous companion to another doctor>but not the last version of that actor portraying the character, that's a different doctor>you see, timelords can regenerate 12 times>oh yeah the doctor can regenerate more than that because the timelords gave him a new set of regenerations>oh, they can't give him any more because they were wiped out>oh no, they didn't give him it before they were wiped out, he saved them from being wiped out so they gave him more regenerations but then they got wiped out again>oh and also the doctor never needed to be given more regenerations because he was never a timelord, he's from a species before the timelords and they harnessed the power from himThe only logical way to do it is continuing from Capaldi. It at least still partially made sense back then.
The Seventeenth Doctor.
>>221135281I wonder what doctor we'll get for that15th/16th because they're the most recent? 14th because he's the most popular (even if that doesn't matter to kids), some random new non canon doctor?
>>221138631I think it has to be a new canon Doctor. Unless it's fucking Tennant again.
I really don't see how the CBeebies show can continue production when the man who approved it has goneLiterally nobody asked for it, and there's zero audience for it among toddlersSurely it'll get cancelled too soon enough
>>221138901Russell isn't the God-Emperor of Doctor Who. The show will probably be cheap as piss to make and can hardly be any worse than Bluey and Cocomelon shite.
Wow billie piper aged like shit
>>221138021I'm not against a woman Doctor so long as she's hot. Jodie was more housewifey.
>>221132093>as always been woke as fuckI'm sick of hearing this revisionism. Has there always been woke elements before? Yes. But to pretend shit hasn't gotten worse is retarded
>>221138659Please god let it be Tennant again for 17
>>221138516Regeneration limit may have been a lie courtesy of Rassilon.anyway, here’s how i would move things forward: Timeless Children, The Morbius Doctors, and any other so-called pre-Hartnell Doctor Whos have all been a conspiracy pushed by The Valeyard (who is the character Billie Piper is playing)
>>221136042I would watch about 50% of RTD1 again.Probably about 10% of Moffat again. Most of it is shite
>>221140762>The ValeyardLarp larp larp sahur
>>221135814So sad to see Britain go down this way. Funny, but sad nonetheless.
>>221138901I don't see the problem with the cbeebies show. It'll probably just be the Doctor and some kids fighting the bumbling numbertrons who can only be defeated with basic addition.
they just should reboot it again 'NuNuWho' -it starts with the Doctor escaping some sort of enclosure within the TARDIS and his memory is spotty on who he is. -He sees a mysterious woman in the Halls of the TARDIS. This is the TARDIS as a woman. -Very Liminal Space focused. Melancholic. Hallways with Doors leading to different Times and Places.
>>221141103then the TARDIS as a woman becomes his companion and lover and they go on classic adventures.
>>221141103backrooms really buck broke this board
Did moffat have a contractual obligation to insert cuckoldry every 5 minutes? I'm rewatching and this shit is awful, it's unironically worse than RTD's gay shit
>>221131561At least in Dr. Who, if you watch the episodes with hotter ladies, you more than likely also get a good episode. When 50% or less is good in the series that helps.
>>221141103No, all they needed was hot stars, big sets, scifi settings, and clever dialogue.
>>221141023>>221135814Literally watch the video and you can see it's part of a protesthttps://x.com/i/status/1991791162278162677
>>22114133811 can't stop humiliating others with his large size.
>>221131071
Moffat was a good showrunner until he started approving Kill the Moon and Forest of the NightWhat the fuck was that about?
>>221134819Smith couldn't do angry.
>>221137731Pretty sure he was supposed to look like a young Hartnell.
>>221136543And now we'll never see him again because he's a sex pest. Who could have seen this coming?
>>221137977>There's only one?Nope.
>>221142146Smith’s era had some stinkers in it too. That pirate one and Closing Time in particular
>>221142521Neither of those were anywhere near retarded as 'the moon is an egg and it hatched and the create immediately laid another moon size egg'
>>221142533
>>221131116A whole season removed from the usual format. Maybe something like the old show The Prisoner as well as Lost. Marooned in an alien world, surrounded by dangers and ominous mysteries that slowly unfold. It could be that the Doctor is trapped in some extra-dimensional prison that has been experimenting with his mind and creating false realities. This can be how they erase later seasons and functionally reboot the show.
Was there supposed to be a God theme for series 14 and 15 but was later dropped? The whole Pantheon thing. Sutekh and Omega being the finale villains. Maestro, Lux, and Anansi appearing in regular episodes. The Toymaker mentioned his legions were coming but nothing came out of it.
>>221142619There was the general shift to make it magic/fantasy. Compared to how Doctor Who previously, even if only nominally and using technobabble, treated anything that was magic as basically Clarke's third law or something that was more vaguely metaphysical rather than supernatural magic. Arguably it was just a creep that was already happening in Doctor Who, though the speculation is also it is RTD2 having been effected by the death of his husband.I don't know fucking why but I tried thrice to reply and got this>Error: Our system thinks your post is spam. Please reformat and try again.So I have had to butcher the answer.
So RTD really lost his fucking marbles and no one told me?>>221113397>>221116463>>221117272
>>221134083>hype moments and auraI think Ncuti Doctor is the only male Doctor with zero hype moments and aura. He's probably the most auraless male Doctor in the show so far. Every time he tries to be intimidating he comes across as a tryhard.
>>221142768Tip Toe has been mentioned multiple times in previous /who/ threads
>>221142906>browsing /who/ during the RTD2 eraYou really expected me to do that?
>>221142768The tranny character was 100% grooming the son, yet we're supposed to view Clive as the villain?
>>221142916By previous threads I mean immediately previous threads, from yesterday
>>221142949I missed it then.
>>221141338There's something wrong with this image, it's blue.
>>221142521Closing Time is a comfy episode.
Pity...It should have ended with 12....
ahh memories
>>221143807>>221143824I was completely check out of Doctor Who to be there for this. I was here for the reaction to when Sutekh and Omega. I imagine the general was the response to them dialled up to 11.
>>221143886>I was completely check out of Doctor Who to be there for this
>>221143908I am just /drunk/
>>221141338>>221141657Based Matt
>>221143807>>221143824for me it wasn't just the stupid timeless child/"lol morbius doctors are now canon" shitbut how boring it wasand the awful green screeningand how nonplussed the black girl looked the whole time
>>221143824>I have corona virus and this episode is more likely to cause my deathtop kek
>>221142768>muh TrumpTrump doesn’t even hate gays. He’s a liberal at heart and was a Democrat for years. RTD’s mind has melted. The dialogue here sounds ridiculous.
are we regenerating?
>>221144505He's always been like thisHe said similar about David Cameron, the man who literally legalised gay marriage
>>221143807>>221143824great collageshttps://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/130155029/https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/130158305/good times
>>221137802>BLACK MARKbased
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