FLUXXED EditionPreviously >>221131071
>>221144950https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wwnKfpNREs
>>221144950Based
>episode named "The Timeless Children">only one Timeless ChildReally make Za think.
>>221144950Whatever happened to the original general wiki? Some of those pages were pretty funny
>>221145000We don't know what its new URL is.
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flux > rtd2
>>221145101Sadly true.
>>221145101rong
>>221145101The first 4 episodes of flux are GOOD.
>>221144980>no Jodie>no NcutiI didn't know this channel was run by a bigoted chud.
>>221145101The Star Beast > Halloween Apocalypse
Moffat run >>> RTD run >>>>>>> Chibnall run >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RTD2 run
>>221144950So in the end 1-12 will be the Doctors and all the post Capaldi actors will be memory-holed right? No way Jodi and Ncuti will be remembered in the long run
>>221145413The problem Jodie and Ncuti will have is that nobody will have grown up with them as their Doctor and things are different enough now that Big Finish won't be able to do anything for them. Kids are more likely to latch on to whatever Ms Frizzle type Doctor is going to be in the cbeebies show
>>221145482>paying to listen to Jodie’s autistic stuttering and ‘brilliant’ over and overYeah even with Big Finish they’re pretty doomed
>>221145413the homos from reddit won't let the world forget, i suspect
Does anyone else remember the Beast Below? It’s overlooked in the overall Moff confusion but I really like it and the Star Whale dilemma as a microcosm of the whole show
>>221145529The only Doctor that'll have a chance is the Fugitive Doctor, I suspect.
>>221145482>Ms Frizzle type Doctor is going to be in the cbeebies showThe cbeebies show?
>>221145101Nu-uh
>>221145348R2D > Chibnall
>>221145482I just do not see what Big Finish's future really is at this point. Both Baker's, McCoy, and Davison are old. Heck, even McGann just Googling it is 66 - which sure, he could easily live for decades more, but he is not young. I have no idea about sales, but has the NuWho licence 1) all brought all that much influx of new consumers, and 2) does it sell exceptionally well? You then have the general related twofold issues of Big Finish spreading themselves too thin and the most creativity being done many years back now, which is now compounded by damage done to the wider Doctor Who fanbase over the last several years that means the franchise as a whole is in a completely different place then the 1989 cancellation / 1995 movie. They probably need a new Doctor that is fresh, but, even ignoring whether the BBC would let them, I am very sceptical it would even work at this point. Making the comparison to 8th essentially being fresh does not really work given 1) 8th was established actually as the Doctor outside of Big Finish, and 2) it is the aforementioned point of the fanbase just being in a completely different state to what it was in the 1990s and 2000s. As for Billie Piper Doctor that is a nothing start.
>>221145623Next year, they're airing a Doctor Who cartoon on cbeebies. It'll be 52 11 minute episodes spread across two years, and it's being made by Blue Zoo, who I only recognise for that recent Paddington cartoon but I'm not a 3 year old.
>>221145616Actually good with that desu. They created a good “‘progressive”’ Doc completely by accident kek
>>221145790I'll say it again cause I think it's a good idea. They need to do the James Bond thing, and put out a video game with an all new Doctor, that can hold us over until they figure out what they're doing with the show.If that does well, then you've got fodder for books, audios, etc.
>>221145574
>>221145574It's shit.
>>221145985When did you lose your whimsy?
>>221145574a microcosm because it presented an interesting dilemma and opportunity for character development, and then ignored that for a feelgood ending?
for me it's when the oriental lady has some tamagotchi ultrasound device and in her voice message to her fiancé, she says something like>yours sincerely, me...and our as-of-yet-unborn child.i dunno man, Chibnall, why not something like>from both of us.or>we can't wait to see you.and the lassie rubs her belly?Chibnall's writing is just very clunky. the general outline for the Flux wasn't the worst.
>>221146008Hated it when it was first on, hate it now. I was a child then, it was still shit. I love whimsy but I hate shitty writing.
>>221145894Does Doctor Who has the same applicability and appeal though for that? What does a Doctor Who game actually look like that does not turn it into some shooting or stealth game that has nothing really to do with Doctor Who being references and cosmetics, yet also have a broad appeal. This not me even trying to diminish James Bond, I like more than I do Doctor Who, I just do not see how much of a good comparison they are and to think your James Bond solution actually has a easy direction to doing it.
>>221145574Gets massively overshadowed by the Eleventh Hour being superior in every wayCome to think of it I barely remember Beast Below (or Vampries of Venice either)
>>221146056the only options i can think of are a crpg with no combat, disco elysium style, or a point and click adventure game. but like. it doesn't need to be a game at that point. you've basically just made a shitty vehicle for expositionthe structure of dr who stories doesn't lend itself to player interaction
>>221145574The Star Whale being needlessly tortured pisses me off. Call me a faggot but I don't want animal cruelty in my escapist manchild slop.
>>221146090no one cares tard.
>>221145879the irony with this shit cracks me up. i very rarely see these TOXIC MISOGYNISTIC, RACIST TROLLS and /who/ is the only Dr Who message board i read. some edgy jokes, that's about it.if anything, people respond well in spite of what the PR spin proactively anticipates. new Rani actress was fun. i'm not angry she was brown, i'm angry she was wasted in a shite story.if anything there's been a lot of patience and goodwill, because the fans just want the programme to be good.
Greenis!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTnNCTbIxDETharries is having some kind of melty
>>221146034Chibnall is legit an asexual aspieAll of his Dr Who characters talk like robots
>>221146160Wrong.
>>221145865Huh. Well, it can't be worse than anything post-2017.
>>221146056The most straight forward no-nonsense answer is some kind of Telltale or Until Dawn style adventure game.Alternately, you make a Legend of Zelda or Tomb Raider type deally with a heavy focus on puzzle solving, interspersed with occasional action. You could have multiple playable characters like Alan Wake 2 or RE9, with the Doctor being more of a sluther, and some other character doing more outright shooty stuff.
>>221146022a microcosm because it presented an interesting dilemma and opportunity for character development, and then the new companion proved their worth by solving the dilemma with a third option diluted from a perspective the Doctor hadn’t considered
>>221146179Nuh-uh.
>>221146090there were these, basically glorified point-and-click games with a few 'join the pipes to hack the door open' style puzzles.i suppose it would HAVE to be pretty linear to tell a story. i remember playing some fan game text adventure (The Seven Doctors or something) but it was too open. like you just had to know to check the radiation dials on the TARDIS or you'd die 20 turns after walking around Skaro, that type of thing.there are a few different tabletop games and maybe those could be adapted to some mad AI-powered 'story generator', but i'd prefer something written by a person.then again i hate linear games with stories so all this is moot. GoldenEye was cool because of you could choose to beat the levels. people are more into Dr Who for the plot/characters/dialogue.
>>221146220I can write better and am sperg.
>>221146113That’s the reason I always understood that the toxic fan base drivel was a shield for how shit the writing has become. DW along w Star Trek were the most progressive, open-minded fan bases you could have, selling us as some -ist made zero sense
>>221146090>the structure of dr who stories doesn't lend itself to player interactionHow so? He's an adventurer who solves problems with his mind, and diplomatic issues with his mouth, and when necessary knows how to handle himself in a fight. That's classic adventure game fodder. Play any of them really. Gabriel Knight. Star Trek 25th Anniversay, Professor Layton...
>>221146201microcosm of the shittiest writing, yes. unfortunately something that shit shrunk down that much is still unmistakably shit.
>>221146271They already ripped off Layton on the DS with Evacuation Earth. Game stuff is totally separate from the main television episodes.
>>221146221Well, it goes without saying you'd have to try. The stuff from that era was borderline shovelware. You're not revivifying the franchise with something like that.
>>221146160>Chibnall is legit an asexual aspieBASED.i don't know how to describe it, but it's like there is something solid to his ideas and the overall mechanics of his stories. he fucking TRIED to only do new stuff, people wanted the old stuff again, he did a bunch of retcons, that was worse.an 'event' series of different characters/stories connected by the Flux, all coming together at the end, i like that. Classic Who did it a couple of times.bloke just needed a partner to flesh out the characters or something.
>>221146289I don't see your point.
>>221146160
>>221146221>basically glorified point-and-click gamesThere was a lot of running around so not really, though. I never finished those, actually, but I have them on Steam.
>>221146298>The stuff from that era was borderline shovelwareat least it was free, they got the actors in for voices + mocap etc. it was a cute idea tbqh.but yeah in practice, it's an Agatha Christie game you'd find in a charity shop for a quid (just with a Dr Who coat of paint).still, everyone loves those Telltale Games. is that not the best standard for a story-driven game, with a few choices here and there? 'explore an open London, solve quests, and fight monsters' wouldn't really fit the tone of the series.a 1970s UNIT skirmish/real-time strategy game? now THAT mite b cool.
Modern cinematic adventure games are pretty well trodden ground at this point. I sense some of you don't really follow gameshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdcyPQOquLghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHb8mH-AwGkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1VKe8zfVGs
>>221146317Just saying a Doctor Who game has ripped off the Layton series, which you mentioned and which is, incidentally, a great series of games. Second one's the best.
>>221146221I played the one where you start in a laundrette and embarrassingly got stuck about half an hour in and meant to look up a walkthrough but never did. I guess I didn't find it that captivating. Probably should give it another go, it wasn't bad actually.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3yM8A_ACLU
>>221146404>a 1970s UNIT skirmish/real-time strategy game? now THAT mite b cool.Just do XCOM but Doctor Who, easiest win for both franchises in a whileYou'd even outdo XCOM if you actually made use of the big variety of Doctor Who aliens
>>221146360>There was a lot of running around so not really, though.well i'm thinking like 90s ones where you did move a character around, so maybe not a true/pure point-and-click. more like the LucasArts/Sierra games ('adventure games, if you will).the fact it did just highlight and point you to interactable objects though, they could have simply not done that and it'd be better for it. still, we've come a long way since 'press the red button on your Sky Remote when the Grask is on-screen'.
no one cares about games. only telly matters.
>>221146491Uh-oh
>>221146477ohh shit yeah XCOM, that's the perfect example. UNIT naturally has different troops, you could bring in Torchwood or just the Army, whatever. some alien weapons as boons (or outright alien units).the different aliens usually have different strengths/weaknesses, movement rates, etc. just turn that into game rules.
>>221145348
How did Nardole know about a game where you have to play as a criminal?
>>221146491but then what am i meant to play on my phone when i'm not looking up at this week's episode, anon?
>>221146565sneaky Nicholas Briggs cosplay on the right?
>>221146477I was toying with the idea a while ago that you could make a Doctor Who mod for X-com, where you have the 70's UNIT guys, and then the Doctor as a special unit who always appears back at the base with a new face, if he gets "killed".The Doctor would have a Sonic screwdriver, and special abilities to reason with enemies, and would throw tantrums if you go in guns blazing. Someone already made X-Files for classic X-Com. Maybe it'll happen.
>>221146455>Jodie-era tie-in>Tennant is shoved inAs is tradition.
Christmas special title leak: World War Dalek
>>221146632Personally I wouldn't involve the Doctor, it'd be too easy to put all the focus on him when one of the big strengths of XCOM is raising your team of assorted weirdos into top tier soldiers with their own stories and quirks (a bit like a good companion)At most I'd throw in the Valeyard or something as an enemy
>>221146726>dr who game without the doctorretarded idea
>>221146723>Christmas special>he doesn't know
>>221146723nigga...
>>221146592how did Dr Who not know about the kinofilm Alien, but he's marathoned all the Marvel movies?also Moffat clearly thinks the character is called 'Super Mario'. he only becomes Super Mario when he gets a mushroom, you casual.
>>221146767Lots of folks call Mario "Super Mario."
>>221146056Dalek shooter/grand strategy hybrid
>>221146767Super Mario is another common name for him, as well as for the whole series. Perhaps the Doctor was referring to Mario dying only in Super Mario form. See also the accusation from The Thick of It, series 3, episode 7, 3:54.
>>221146696They were wise enough to realize no one's gonna wanna play as Jodie
>>221146742why? i don't want to play as him, i want to control UNIT or someone else who is fine with killing monsters to death. sadly there isn't a lot of consistent worldbuilding so there isn't much else, unless you play Sarah Jane investigating mysteries or something. I'm still mad they never properly concluded 'Frontier in Space'. i DO care about space politics, felt like the Draconian Empire was something they could return to just as much as Time Lords.
>>221146723>The Bafflers of Winternox Village
>>221146742Different genres mean different focuses on lore and charactersA game where you control squads of custom-made soldiers to fight alien threats to the death isn't really going to be improved by having the Doctor around for a number of reasons, least of which is that he would "throw tantrums" if you played the game the fun wayPlenty of good Star Wars games get by with having characters from the films in minor roles or not appearing at all
>>221146723
>>221146820But no one else cares, autist. It's all made up just for teatime entertainment, nothing more.
>>221146790>dying only in Super Mario formhe's LESS likely to die in Super Mario form. pits, lava, what else?if i was Mario, i'd be grateful for all those extra chances.Moffat is like those telly writers from that Mitchell & Webb sketch who don't like to get 'bogged down in so-called research.'just chuck in a reference to a hard drive or the wi-fi, anyone who takes exception to your analogy is a nitpicking pedant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfdKTAmdoiM
>>221146056Something like those shitty telltale games would work.
>>221146835but that IS my teatime entertainment.i know time travel means it's always been all over the shop, but as a story some consistency would have done it some good. just a series bible or something, y'know? 'humans first colonise outside the Solar System in 2350', basic elements like that.
>>221146833To add on to that point, sometimes you just want to see stuff from the series that doesn't necessarily tie into the main thread of a franchiseAs an example, I fucking love Cybermen and would love to see them in more things, Doctor or no Doctor, and for a videogame example I am to this day extremely fond of that one Cyberman flash game where you got to play as insurgents taking on Cybus Industries, Metal Gear-style, then eventually unlocking the second campaign where you play as Cybermen putting down the insurgencyI'd pay for just a bigger version of that
>>221146878https://www.mariowiki.com/Category:Hazardous_objectsQuicksand, the poisonous swamp, black holes, being crushed, there's loads. The Twelfth Doctor additionally referred to Pokémon in The Return of Doctor Mysterio.
>>221146913It isn't YOURS, it's for everyone, the general public, anyone who wants to watch. What you specifically want is irrelevant to what the vast, vast majority are interested in, i.e. fun space adventures.
>>221146767The truth is Nintendo just likes slapping "super" on things. "Super Mario" doesn't even refer to anything specific. Like Super Mario Kart. Why is it called that? Just is.
>>221146913Oh and also actually genuinely your idea for a series "Bible" I do honestly think would be a big step to ruining Doctor Who for real. The best thing about Doctor Who in my book (pun intended) is that there IS no Bible, no definitive statement on what you can do with it. Continuity and "what the programme is about" aren't the same thing however, so there may be more to this point.
>>221147006BECAUSE IT'S ON THE SNES!
>>221147043What about Super Mario 64? He doesn't turn big in that one.
>>221146817Actually you don't play as the Doctor, you're just some schmuck that the Doctor uses and abuses to help save the universe.
>>221146767>disdain for plebs.jpg
>>221147071It's part of the Super Mario series.
>>221147163
>>221146973>>221147011fair enough, good points.i get that not everyone is clued-in to every last faction or the world's history, and for the most part i do want standalone adventures.but characters/monsters/etc DO return, so there's some overall chronology to it. same way there are just magical key words in NuWho about the Shadow Proclamation or the Fourth Great and Bountiful Human Empire, i don't think people would turn off in confusion if a story checked in on how Peladon is going.broad strokes, means you can reuse costumes etc. not asking for Star Trek, but i wouldn't mind checking in on factions/locations every now and then.
>>221147172what about Super Mario Bros? that wasn't on the SNES.
>>221147212that S18 costume is the most KINO of all
>>221147071From a certain point of view he kind of does...
>>221147071debatable.
>>221147320I agree. As much as The Monster of Peladon is rubbish, at least there's a bit of continuity there, like Jo's crystal returning in Pertwee's last story. If production allows for the same people to write and make the programme for enough time, stuff like that is almost inevitable, as they'll end up just reusing all their ideas. With the faster turnaround of today and how they're so eager to show off new areas and money, leaping around in time, it'll be companions returning more than anything. Funnily enough what they just did with the UNIT base in London was sort of like with the Third Doctor and UNIT, minus all the charm and good characters, it's something RTD's tried a few times, he loves all that giant corporation stuff more than actually forming a cohesive universe.
>>221147336It's the Super Mario series! See? Super Mario is a franchise. Super Mario is also the name of Mario, and is also the form Mario takes when he becomes bigger by eating a Super Mushroom. The terms are roughly interchangeable on a non-legal basis.
>>221145101Aye
>Unfortunately, I think the next doctor is going to be a white english-accented young maleTotal Reddit Death when?
>>221147482Source?
>>221147398So why wasn't he super when he played golf?
>>221147561BECAUSE THAT'S A SPIN OFF. IT'S OBVIOUS.<https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_(franchise)><https://www.mariowiki.com/Mario_Golf_(series)>
>>221147482Ideally, he'd be about 40, and "off-beat" as opposed to "twinky", but I'll take it. weird how they literally never tried for a Tom Baker type in the rebooted series, come to think of it. There was a perioid of time where everyone was saying Alan Davies, which would have been fine. Johnathan Creek is pretty much just Doctor Who with the explicit sci-fantasy angle removed.
>>221144950>flux destroyed half the universe>got as far as earth>somehow all the outer planets are back next season and everything is fineChibnall was a disaster.
>>221147482They're right though? The next doctor should be a white english-accented middle aged male.
>>221147593SO WHY WERE THE KARTS SUPER?
>>221147482That's the last type we need after having literally tennant again and a flamboyant black man
I was not expecting to find this thread discussing Super Mario.
>>221147617You are a troll.
>>221147642Based fucking Luigi
>>221147642Luigi is an economic terrorist just like the nazi chvds who destroyed this show. Bring back ncuti
>>221147379>Funnily enough what they just did with the UNIT base in London was sort of like with the Third Doctor and UNIT, minus all the charm and good characters, it's something RTD's tried a few times, he loves all that giant corporation stuff more than actually forming a cohesive universe.yeah that's the perfect example, really. it goes beyond 'oh he said The Medusa Cascade, again!'there was a group of UNIT characters in a set location, that's what i want. but i don't care about any of these people or even fully understand what their roles are.you can have discreet stories with little links, wider background plots and characters arcs over time. didn't UNIT get disbanded in a Whittaker episode? are they just fine again after that whole podcast thing?'it doesn't matter' feels like a wasted opportunity. i want the more mundane stuff to matter more, the last story was about the entire Earth getting destroyed/replaced yet again, you know it's going to get undone (as opposed to e.g. aliens INVADING Earth, weapons rather than magic).
>>221147642>Mario PartyHe's not super in that one...
>Briggs when he realises there's no official Doctor casting so not even BF can legitimately carry things onPoor bastard's going to be stuck working with Jodeh and a Shooty soundalike for years to come.
>>221147693Bring back Mickey the rapist
>>221147700
>>221147713>filenamekek'd
>>221147596There were also periods of talks that Rhys Darby would become 12 before Capaldi was settled on, we would have gotten closure to the ginger joke, but at the cost of casting the first non-British Doctor
>>221147751How deep does the rabbit hole go...
>>221147791It doesn't.
>Retardy being an arrogant cunt in the face of utter failure>Muh Fat undergoing weapons grade cope>Chinballs utterly silentIt's fucking hilarious seeing all of this play out in real time. I hope somebody's got serious dirt on the fat Welsh faggot and throws it all out there for everyone to see.
>>221147721Adam has been charged and served his time, why not bring him back? are cancelled actors just cancelled forever...?
>>221147901Weapons grade coup? He still avidly supports the show (and RTD).
>>221147956Cope. He's insisting the show won't be off the air for long.
>>22114775130 years too late.i don't get why they didn't start calling them 'Mario Party Switch', 'Wave Racer Switch', etc.
>>221147951You seriously want to bring ADAM back? Yeah that'll bring millions in.
>>221147968Yeah and how is that a coup? ReTarD.
>>221148000What a godawful waste of good trips. Get to fuck.
>>221147951Unfortunately Adam was violently killed in a comic so he's canonically dead forever. (Comics are much more canon than the TV show I'm sure we all agree.)
>>221147082>some schmuck that the Doctor uses and abuses to help save the universe.So Mickey then
>>221148020You're just spouting gibberish. So no change.
Somehow Adric has returned... Mathematics. Logic. Secrets only boy geniuses know.
>>221147968Probably true. The only question is will they manage to course correct, or make it worse somehow.Franchises don't die anymore. For better or for worse, we will keep getting Star Wars, Star Trek, and Doctor Who forever.Also, Moffat is right that there's enough DW out there. Go and read some books and listen to some audio dramas if you're jonesing that badly.
>>221148000His chickens came home to roost.
How do you think what happened to Doctor Who would be viewed as being like 10, 20 years from now?
>>221148082Hardly gibberish. As a TV series, it's dead in the water. It'll take a fucking miracle to get it back on track and it seems nobody's ready to pick up the pieces for quite a while.
>>221148149Depends if we're up in flames, or have course corrected as a society.Either way, not very positively. Either it'll be that embarrassing period of pop culture where weirdos threw a tantrum over Donald Trump and ruined everything, or we wont really be thinking about television because there will be wars outside in the streets.
>>221148126>OH SO WHATHe bodied that freakhttps://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/1u5719w/steven_moffat_officially_speaks_on_doctor_who/
>>221147082That'd maybe be a good format for a Doctor Who horror game as long as you get the Doctor to keep a good serious tone. Though I don't know what monsters or aliens would be a good fit for it.
>>221148149Well if things go according to plan, people who say things like "they're on the wrong side of history" will have been bundled into a rocket and flown straight into the centre of the sun. So the last decade or so of pop culture will be seen for what it undeniably is: steaming dogshit, and a cautionary tale for us to never fuck up that bad again.
>>221148192AKA at best, how the Classic Series was seen by most people in the early 2000s before it came back.
>>221148288I think weird goings on in a small town is the best place to start for some kind of franchise relaunch. Also taps into stuff that people like in terms of modern horror franchises. A bit of Silent Hill, a bit of Alan Wake, a bit of Stranger Things.You keep your off-the-wall time travelling space opera stuff under wraps for when people are already invested.I like the idea that maybe you start as a detective, and then at some point the Doctor enters into the story.
>>221148331Doctor Who has always been woke, see the black space captain in Tenth Planet.
>>221147988Why is his last name Lanza?
>>221148036Comics and big finish aren't canon.
>>221148036As if the Doctor would be sad Adam died.
>>221148362How is black people in TV woke?
>>221148391RTD was reamed by a bloke who looked just like him in Lanzarote.
>>221148192Nobody likes Donald Trump anymore anyway.
>>221148450Deliberately casting black people in the 1960s was woke then. Just because the overton window has shifted to the point that it no longer is doesn't mean it wasn't then.
>>221148391https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Lanza
>>221148487Maybe they were just best fit for the role.
>>221148362I didn't say it wasn't. I don't think "woke" is the central problem, there's nothing inherently wrong with progressive ideologies. It's the way writers weaponise these ideologies and hammer the audience over the head with them that has to stop. The man in the street doesn't like being lectured on how to live by some out-of-touch limousine liberal living in a bubble of wealth and opulence. It's poisoned more than enough franchises now and has to stop. Good writing presents the audience with different viewpoints on an issue and trusts them to make up their own minds, rather than trying to tell them what to think.
>>221148212>It will take a little bit longerUnderstatement of the decade, who the fuck is going to want to touch the poisoned chalice that is "one of the three most well known sci-fi franchises that have all been very publicly completely ruined in the last ten years"
>>221148496Adam Mitchell didn't kill any kids though.
>>221148362>>221148450>>221148487You have to define what "woke" means before you can accuse something of bearing its quality.
>>221148518You realize Ecclescunt is one of the most pozzed figures in Doctor Who on this matter, right?He's said he'd come back to Doctor Who if a little girl who watched him in 2005 was writing it. He said there should have been a female Doctor long before Jodie, strange you're using him as your avatar.
>>221148518>there's nothing inherently wrong with progressive ideologies.I disagree. Flamboyant faggots, trannies and they/thems are attention seeking freaks who need to be put back in their place.
>>221148528Impossible to define an abstract subjective term, it's the equivalent to defining pornography.Is Michelangelo's David pornographic?Is RTD1 good Doctor Who?
>>221148477Yes, but Donald Trump existing (and frankly being an ineffectual waste of time) was not an excuse to ruin entertainment for a decade.
>>221148552You seem upset. I just ripped a massive fart. Care for a whiff?
>>221148518Where did 9 get those cards from?
>>221148577No; yes. Now define "woke".
>>221148518I liked it when the Doctor was an implicitly autistic white British guy, because that was my character I got to relate to. Simple as. Arguing about what is or isn't "woke" is entirely beside the point.
>>221148552He also once said that Jodie is the best Doctor.
>scotland wins a game>Karen goes on a 3 day Special Brew bender>shags half of Boston and fights her way across the countyJust a normal day for the Scottish.
>>221148585Not sure how you're reading upset from my post. I just find it odd that you, who are supposedly against the show being a vehicle to depict progressive ideology, should use someone who wholeheartedly supports that.
>>221148528The existence of the Daleks is woke because they are based on Hitler's army.
>>221148528gay-race-communism. Any kind of politics that carries the implicit message that there's something morally wrong with whiteness, heterosexuality, or maleness. Also vegans.
>>221148560Well sure, which is why I said >people who say things like "they're on the wrong side of history" will have been bundled into a rocket and flown straight into the centre of the sunAnyway I think all this stuff is largely self-evident so while I appreciate everyone's (You)s I'm going to stop arguing and go back to huffing my own farts now.
>>221148615>autisticlmaothe doctor is consistently the most charismatic figure in the entire showif anything he reads more bipolar, like john cleese or jim carrey
>>221148615He's an alien. Please can we stop with this fake narrative that he's autistic. Aliens are far beyond human comprehension.
>>221148621What is she saying?
>>221148666He's an archetype of a certain kind of man who is clever but "off" in some way, and doesn't really get human social conventions. He's implicitly autistic.
>>221148621You just know she lifted each and every kilt she saw.
the actual answer: bad writing and nostalgia bait is why Jodie and Ncuti won't be looked back on fondlythe deranged right winger answer: being black or being a woman is why Jodie and Ncuti won't be looked back on fondly
>>22114865911 is very autistic.
>>221148689Can you find some document that proves this? Different writers write him in different ways. The definition of "autistic" has changed greatly during the production of Doctor Who. Time Lords exist in a manner beyond human capability so one cannot truly contain them with their own limited language.
>>221148696Both is true. I prefer the badly written eras of the show when he wasn't a gay black guy. Gay, black Doctor Who could be expertly written, and I still wouldn't really be engaged. It's not what the show is to me. It's not appealing to my tastes.
Didn't Eccleston recently say he didn't like all the white male villains?
>>221148714It's just obvious. No one knew what a mildly autistic person was in the 70's, but everyone understood the concept of an "eccentric boffin".
>>221148682Three points! MacBeth (player who scored) BALL! What! Those fucking Haitians don't know what hit them. YES! Scotland! Scotland! Scotland!
>>221148733He simultaneously hates white villains and white heroes. To be woke is to be racist.
>>221148741"It's just obvious" - this does not quality as an acceptable argument in any courtroom. Better luck next time, buster!
>>221148682They're singing 500 Miles by The Proclaimers. Total Scottish overload.
>>221148768Tell me why hardcore Doctor Who fans are all blatantly autistic. It's because they recognise something there.
>Third most expensive thing on Cex
>>221148780Anecdotes without data or evidence, as well as switching subjects, meaning the previous one, too, was lost. You really haven't got a chance, have you?
>>221146300>he fucking TRIED to only do new stuff, people wanted the old stuff againoh please
>>221148806CEX is an fucking den of thieves.
>>221148810You're too dense to get what I'm saying. I don't think there's a grand document written in the 60's declaring that the Doctor *is* autistic. I think it's something the writers tapped into accidentally, and probably by meeting a few autistic people in their lives and not knowing.Sherlock Holmes is also autistic. Dr Kavor in The First Men in the Moon is autistic.
>>221146040you're shitty
>>221146300>he fucking TRIED to only do new stuff, people wanted the old stuff againKek, people wanted GOOD new stuff. Aside from the Cyberman episode, Series 6 has no returning monsters/villains and that's well-regarded.
>>221148700No, he truly isn't. Ironically the least "Doctory" Doctor is probably the most autistic-presenting one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94_nxVgAT4I
>>221148806Who the fuck is paying that much for a steelbook? The Avengers one I can kind of understand as it's 23 films (£20 per movie), but £495 for Terminator 2????
>>221148838>>221148898CEX is just a front for money laundering.
>>221148838CEX is fair when you realise that the only reason to sell to them is when you're out of cash and need it fast. Though it's actually one of the cheapest options for the Series 9 steelbook for some reason. Why are the Doctor Who steelbooks so expensive?
>>221148552>le ecclscunt is le woke!Oh fuck off>>221148628>Not sure how you're reading upset from my post.Pretty sure they implied you were upset not them>against the show being a vehicle to depict progressive ideologyThey said there's nothing wrong with progressive ideologies and never said they were against the show being used to depict themFucking terrible post anon you're just trying to antagonize ppl by putting words in their mouth rather than engaging with what they actually said at least I hope that's what you're doing otherwise your reading comprehension is kindergarten level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWiq-0rf_bA
>Omega eats The Doctor because asspull gun does not work>A slowmo close-up of the 10th Doctor’s panicked face from Midnight plays over the titles>Dark times low start playing
>>221148868The Doctor probably doesn't understand cancer that much.
>>221148954I'm glad Victor Lewis-Smith is dead.
>>221148940>Pretty sure they implied you were upset not themYes, "reading" a post means interpreting something from it.Reading RTD's writing as faggy.Reading Moffat's writing as having a femdom fetish, etc.He was reading that I was upset, which I get is a stock "i win the argument" phrase, but I legitimately wasn't, I wanted to know why he, someone who said >people who say things like "they're on the wrong side of history" will have been bundled into a rocket and flown straight into the centre of the sun.was using Eccleston, who says stuff like>"The father of us all is William Hartnell, but the greatest Doctor is Jodie Whittaker."as his avatar. Eccleston IS one of the people who think people who think Doctor Who is woke are on the wrong side of history.>They said there's nothing wrong with progressive ideologies and never said they were against the show being used to depict themWell then who the fuck are they in favor of firing into the sun?
Some serious mongs in the general today. That's day /who/ for you.
>>221149016I think he'd understand illness quite well, it's a universal concept.
>>221148840So in other words he isn't really, it's just one idea based on the ways some writers wrote him some of the time.
>>221149117He could have cured it in New Earth.
welp this thread turned to shit
>>221149159Quick, start discussing Clara's baps.
>>221147596Alan Davies would have been a brilliant Doctor. I always wanted Martin Clunes, he's a better actor.
Is this the gayest scene of the entire show?
>>221148600Rose's apartment
>>221149159Haha nappy poo attack that's a classic
>>221148611>>221148528To put it vaguely, its the attempt to hijack, derail, and/or overwrite western cultural norms by forcing and/or psyoping modern leftist talking points, belittling/insulting/attacking anything and everything vaguely centerist or right, and having little or no respect for the IP, brand, characters, audience, or anything outside of the leftist objective. To put it simply, it's more than just having black characters and women. It's about using them as tools to place "the message" above all else, and "owning the chuds
>>221148696I would have accepted a femoid or nigger if either of them could have acted at all.
>>221148621she's married to an American jew btw
>>221148518Good post
>>221145574I remember The Beast Below because an yank I knew years ago complained it was the episode that ruined the show for him for being too outlandish for what he came to expect from Doccy Who.
>>221149217Western cultural norms are Ncuti Gatwa kissing Rogue. That was on prime time BBC1 television. That is what is the cultural norm in Britain.
>Weeell
>>221149221Ncuti could cry.
>>221149269Sounds like an RTDfag problem. If it's not crying and feelings and Daleks then they can't enjoy it.
>>221149283>>WeeellHE AIN'T MY BOY BUT THE BROTHER IS HEAVY
>>221149310Yeah, pretty much. He did end up coming out as gay at some point as well, so probably getting to ogle at John Barrowman was likely all he was interested in.
>>221149138you're too low IQ. You don't get it.
>>221149149That's why having a companion with an illness like cancer actively travelling with the Doctor is a bad idea. You'd need to have a very good reason for why the Doctor doesn't get it cured.
>>221149191I do wonder if Johnathan Creek was essentially written to be DW without actually being DW, if you get what I mean. It's DW for the 90's, when the BBC wasn't doing sci-fi.It's all there. He's a quirky eccentric dude who lives in a strange retro building, and travels around with a variety of female assistants who he never has sex with. If I remember, they even did episodes with aliens and monsters, but there's always a Scooby Doo answer to what they are.
>>221149381Don't you think he looks tired?
>>221149310>If it's not crying and feelingsThat's what the ending of Beast Below was. If you changed Amy and 11 to Rose and 9 it wouldn't be out of place in Series 1.
*dramatic camera pan**murray gold chord*>Then we've got a problem.
>>221149416I couldn't understand that. The Doctor had a time machine and access to every cure in existence but didn't take Graham for a check up or to make sure he's cured.
>>221149282if the British public agreed, they would have watched it.
>>221149349This is genuinely the lowest point.
What are some other anti-capitalist episodes like the Sunmakers and Oxygen? Need to refresh my palette after remembering Kerblam exists.
>GOOD OLD JK ROWLING
>>221149475He was a fucking wh*te m*le.
>>221149440
>>221149433There's a lot of Who DNA in JC.
>>221149482Norms are established by the elites, not the plebs.Rome's cultural norms were gladiatorial combat. Do you think people existed who disliked that and thought it barbaric? Yes, of course, but that didn't matter, the money and institutions promoted it so that is what we remember of them and what their culture was defined as.Likewise, Western cultural norms are Ncuti Gatwa kissing Rogue. That is what the money and the institutions are promoting.
>>221149527people literally went out to watch gladiatorial combat.
>YOU WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ME!
>>221149494We love capitalism here in /who/. Begone commie.
>>221149498Celebrities trooning their kids makes sense when you realize Moloch demands child sacrifice. You think Tenant got a once in a lifetime role because of looks or talent?
>>221149542And millions of people tuned in to watch Ncuti kiss rogue.Doesn't mean it was the majority, doesn't mean it was widely liked, but that is what the top television channel on the top television network in the UK chose and funded to show at prime time on saturday. Hence, that is the Western cultural norm.
>>221149549You are a loser!
>>221149549https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFSMbv0n5zg&t=134
>>221149550He's a classically trained actor in fairness
>>221149567show me any evidence that most people didn't think Gladiatorial fighting wasn't the hypest shit, back in the day.Probably wasn't great for Christians getting thrown to lions, but they weren't Roman.
>>221149604That's the point, history has not recorded how many people liked or disliked gladiatorial combat, and nor too shall it record how many people liked or disliked Ncuti kissing Rogue. But both will be recorded as the respective cultural norms of their civilizations.
>>221149390Another stellar argument, very convincing.
>>221149648stands to reason people thought it was sick, because two men fighting to the death is pretty much every culture's idea of entertainment.
Good thing about RTD being fired and the show going on hiatus again, is that people will be more willing to admit Wild Blue Yonder, 73 yards and The Well was shit by the time it comes back.
>>221149550>You think Tenant got a once in a lifetime role because of looks or talent?He got the role because he worked on Casanova with RTD.
>>221149671I agree except for the first, never mind the special effects lol it's Doctor Who, I think WBY is mostly great.
>>221149550Tennant already worked with RTD and has both shown interest in and done previous work with Doctor Who thanks to some minor work with Big Finish and a voice role in Scream of the Shalka.It's not exactly hard to see why RTD picked him after Eccelstone declined coming back for a second season.
Wild Blue Yonder was kino.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcV9Z9kyBww
>>221149731>Black Isaac Newton
>>221149731The Giggle is more kino.
Eccleston lucked out by bowing out when he did tbqh.Couldn't imagine seeing nine go through such duds as Tooth and Claw, Fear Her and Doomsday
>>221149664That's not the argument I was making. Perhaps I should have gone with boy fucking in Ancient Greece so you'd understand my point better.
Demographics: While many were slaves, prisoners of war, or criminals, a significant number were freemen who volunteered for the potential fame and fortune. Celebrity Culture: Famous fighters had fan clubs, and their likenesses appeared on lamps, pottery, and mosaics. Graffiti in Pompeii reveals that they were sex symbols, with some described as the "delight of girls."Economic Value: Gladiators were expensive investments. Contrary to popular belief, fights were not always to the death; estimates suggest only 1 in 10 or 1 in 5 combats ended fatally, as owners preferred to preserve their valuable assets. Rewards: Victors received palm branches, crowns, prize money, and potentially the rudis (wooden sword), symbolizing their freedom. The games served as a crucial tool for political stability and social control. Emperors utilized them to demonstrate generosity and distract the populace from political issues. The philosopher Seneca notably criticized the bloodlust of the crowds, highlighting a divide between the intellectual elite and the masses who reveled in the violence.doesn't sound unpopular
>>221149792Tooth and Claw is a great story.
>>221149796You think that was unpopular as well?
>Jackson Lake>River Song>Adelaide Brook>Amy Pond>Wallace Waterway >Chester G. Tributary >Mrs Flood, created by The Rain
>>221149772Doctor Who becomes more kino the more horror there is. The Giggle is kino for having horror, but WBY takes the cake. Wild Blue Yonder > The Giggle.
>>221149731It's the worst example of necromancing something beloved to peddle The Message. I say necromancing instead of reviving because it's a walking corpse. They took two characters whom many people have nostalgia for, and puppeted their corpses to tell a story about a nonbinary child saving the world. It's just as bad as bringing back Luke Skywalker and Captain Picard just to make them pass the torch to young women.
>>221149811It was the cultural norm of their society as Ncuti kissing Rogue is of ours.I'm not sure how many times I need to repeat the same point for you to understand what it is I'm saying.Anything posted on prime time BBC1, regardless of how unpopular, is our cultural norm. By definition the second our national broadcaster puts something on in that slot for millions to watch it is our cultural norm.
>>221149874Not what I'm seeing. The masses loved the games, and if anything it was the intellectuals and Christians who looked down on them.
>>221149803i rewatched this yesterday, it's more fun than i remember. but it reminds me how awkward a lot of 'action' on the Beeb is/was. even in police dramas, the camera just alternates zooming and tilting on two guys, and it's implied one punches the other.they couldn't get actual martial artists or stunt actors for the Shetland monks episode...?
>>221149882For fucks sake.
>>221149910The BBC don't decide what "British culture" is, as much as they like to think they can do that.Crowds of football fans shouting "paedo" is more British culture than Rogue.
>>221144950I got it, its Wyoming Doctor Who. You got him at some ranch and the Tardis looks like a horse barn. There are a bunch of ruggedly handsome cowboys everywhere and The Assistant is played by the next blonde girl with huge tits not Sydney Sweeney. She does Yoga in the first episode and you see her pussy lips through her pants then pan up to see a bemused and confused Who who gives a smirk and then hit the new credits sequence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzICMIu5zFY&list=RDGMEMYQNnkCeucvXPZmorerFbHg&index=5
>>221149803Love & Monsters is better.
This thread is dildos.
>>221149928They put on a video of a dog taking a shit and millions watch it if it's on at 7PM on a Saturday.The papers will all review the video of the dog taking a shit. People all over the country will now be discussing that dog taking a shit.That dog taking a shit is now the cultural norm.
>>221149960The masses would like the video of the dog more than DW, which they aren't watching.
>>221149854necromancing is a good word. possibly unintentionally because it includes 'romancing'.like let's be real: nobody gives a shit about The Rani. they're not bad episodes and it was nice having a new recurring villain, but fans get weirdly romantic about 'legacy characters'.some day they'll let the Meddling Monk out of his box, i'm not really fussed how they characterise him. could be homosexual, Chinese, a woman. it might be someone's favourite story but this is a show that tends to be rubbish at bringing back characters. even the main one ('The Three Doctors' is the only good multi-Dr-Whos story.)
>>221149854That was The Star Beast, different story.
>>221149908They did get real martial arts people I think, at least to show how it should be done. Probably just cut from the violence, this is for children as well, remember?
>>221149943Yeah I sort of think so. As if I don't watch bits of these old eps every day. Literally am in the middle of a Series 2 edit, so I just watched some bits. The whole argument about what eps are good and bad doesn't really matter much, you still watch them all loads.
>>221149854Wild Blue Yonder didn't have any of that, it was classic Doctor Who.
>>221149928so what do you mean by it being the cultural norm? just that that's what goes on record? or that it's popular in the sense BBC1 = millions of viewers?the internet has changed things, i'd say. and i'm fine with telly going against the grain, but that's not really happening any more. there probably is some middle-class London media bubble where you've just been handed a memo on how awful these internet incels are, skulking around the dark web, even saying RACISM.missed trick is i wouldn't mind more working-class/northern/Scottish programming tbqh. there's plenty of gay/black programming now, but that's such a small percentage of the overall country (if 'representation matters' and all that).
>>221149991My bad. As soon as I saw (>>221149594) posted here I swore to never watch a second of RTD2.
>men dressing as women and making tongue in cheek sexual jokes and we call it pantomime respected cultural tradition of many centuries, makes you proud to be british>men dressing as women and making tongue in cheek sexual jokes and we call it dragforeign americanised globalised muck that has no place on our shores
>>221150066but anon you'll miss out on solid one-off stories like uhh...well, you'll not have the context for when they reveal the mystery of the latest magic arc word.
>>221150095>makes you proud to be britishOh no it doesn't.
>>221149948Welcome back /who/
>>221150095the American part is pretending it's some noble culture we have to respect.i've been to plenty of gay bars and i fucking hate when they have a drag queen on, singling me out and making catty jokes. interrupting the DJ/music.i'm not going to 'respect' that in the same way i'd respect a different race/religion (even if we had disagreements), but that's where it's gone. it's some dude in makeup making shit jokes. i simply dislike it.Carry On and Monty Python and stuff? yeah, can be funny.
>>221150117Boom was good. I think I'm also in the minority who liked Lux
>>221150171Lux is a fine episode sorta brought down by it's too on the nose fanwank 4thwall moment.Take that out, then the episode's a good watch.
>>221150171Lux seemed like such a good concept they did fuck all with. Also the singing was annoying as fuck. The whole RTD2 era was just theatre kid turned to 11.
>>221150117The Boss was Susan. Susan's full fake name was "Susan Foreman" and "foreman" is another word for Boss. It fits with RTD's name reveal twists like Yana and Sue Tech.
>>221150223Why would she be a villain?
>>221150274Fuck knows, RTD didn't figure that out yet
>>221150274Why would Sutekh give a shit about Ruby? Why did Rani pretend to be an old woman?
>>221150059don't make me break out the "leftists pretending not to understand things" tweet.
>>221149671How did he know in WBY that the ship captain was female?
>>221150274>Grandfather. You abandoned me for thousands of years.>Where were you during the time war?Yada yada. It's RTD.
>>221150171I like The Devil's Chord. That scene where Ruby plays the piano on the rooftop was nice. I thought the drag queen worked as a villain as well.
>>221150396If RTD didn't like people in wheelchairs being villains then why did he make a rag queen be a villain?
>>221150479he'll be fine
>>221150479Why is he so skinny now?
>>221150508Old people either bloat up or become skeletons just before they die.
>>221150508He's 82.
>>221150508https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_age
>>221150479Based Sylv
>>221150396Fuck no.
>>221150529>ctrl+f: skinny>0/0
>>221150462From the little I understand, I think drag queens don't mind being able to play villain roles, probably because you don't need to hold back when playing a panto type villain.
are we regenerating?
>>221150572I know there are a lot of trolls and whatnot here, but I just want to say, genuinely, that based on this post, I honestly think you have sub-standard intelligence.
>>221150915Well that's a bit mean.
>watching nuWho
>>221151037Nuwho > classic who
>>221150896Can't be arsed.
>>221151037Mindwarp is shit. I'll tell ya that any time of day.
>>221150171>>221150198>Lux seemed like such a good concept they did fuck all with. if they left it at the cinema + animated monster, that'd be enough for me tbqh. it's not too far off the antimatter monsters even if it's a very specifically NuWho idea.main problem is everything was overstuffed. the barbershop episode just kept piling on ideas. story window, African gods, magic spider on the galaxy wide web, imagination tree.could have just had one of those. kept it at a tense bottle episode in an usual/friendly setting.
>>221151288don't bother. show's dead. general's dead. and this is the last post on the last thread. more or less.let.it.end.
>>221151304nah i'll converse in threads at bump limit all i want.besides, the good episodes aren't being taken away from us. even that guy keeping An Unearthly Child off iPlayer can't stop archivists.
This is Emergency Programme One. Anon, now listen, this is important. If this message is posted, then it can only mean one thing. We must be in danger. And I mean fatal. The thread is dead or about to die any second with no chance of revival.Emergency Programme One means we're facing an extended period of boredom that should never have graced this board. So this is what you should do. Let the General die. Just let this old thread gather dust. No one can open it. No one'll even notice it. Let it become a strange little thing standing in an archive. And over the years, the board'll move on and the thread will be buried. And if you want to remember it, then you can do one thing. That's all, one thing.Have a good life. Do that for me, Anon.Have a fantastic life.
