>/tv/ kept raving about Andor>"We're so back" they said>"SW is returning to its roots." they claimed>Look inside>Identity politics>Israel/Palestine allegory>Every oppressor is white and male>Every rapist is white and male>Every heroic character is either brown or blackWhat the fuck did you anons even mean when you said that this was the comeback we've been waiting for. This is the exact same idpol shit we've been fed for the last 10 years, only drip-fed slowly over the course of two seasons.
>>221150539Never trust this board with anything related to Star Wars.
>>221150539>taking advice from idiots who would easily devour gold painted shit because it isn’t the typical watery shit they’re givenAnon…
>>2211505394/10, and I'm feeling generous
The casting/character sexuality choices were woke, but the show is so good otherwise I still liked it. Besides, there were prominent black and female imperials.Season 2 is good but season 1 is ultra kino.
>>221150794>Besides, there were prominent black and female imperials.All with redeeming qualities. Didn't you notice how every character who was unredeemedly a coward, a predator, or an oppressor were all white without exception? You hadn't a single black character without at least some redeemable trait.
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>>221151110I don't recall Blevins(sp?) or Meero having any real redeemable traits.
>>221151110Did Dedra have any redeeming qualities? As much as she was an Imperial waifu for /tv/, at most you just felt bad for how brainwashed by the Empire she was.
>>221150794>ultra kinoyou underestimate his power (on land, of course)
>>221151233>BlevinsHe isn't evil, he's corporate. He doesn't do evil because he likes it, he follows orders and adheres to the chain of command.>MeeroSame thing here. The worst thing you could say about her is that she is callus and ambitious, but she doesn't do evil deeds for evil's sake. Also she is shown to have a soft spot for Syril several times in season one, clearly showing that she has the capacity for compassion, or at the very least some level of sympathy.Take a character like picrel as a counterexample, the intake warden on Narkina 5. He's sadistic, gleeful in his evil action. and an absolute coward when the tide turns against him. He has absolutely no redeeming qualities to him whatsoever. You also have the doctor that preformed the interrogation on Bix. He was also sadistically gleeful in his actions; completely unremorseful. You then also have the commandant on Ferrix after Blevins was removed from the post. He takes pride in the act of subjugation of the people, and he sees them as subhuman. He's also a complete coward when the tides turn against the imperials in season 1's final episode, crawling in the dirt to escape the mess he himself instigated.These are the three most egregious cases that stick out of my mind. I'd have to go back and watch to get more examples but you couldn't pay me to sit through this blatant identity politics propaganda again.
>>221151314>Did Dedra have any redeeming qualities?She was shown to at the very least care for people around her, mainly her subordinate (picrel) and Syril.The main thing about her character is that she isn't shown to take any pleasure in evil acts, rather she sees everything she does as a necessity to maintain the safety of the empire.
Worst parts are the lesbians and the stupid black kid. Otherwise the show is good
>>221151451I'm nit disagreeing that the show is too heavy on the white man bad, but acting like Blevin and Meero aren't pretty completely evil is stupid. Meero was hyped up when she was preparing to have Bix tortured. And Blevin is following orders, yes. He's voluntarily following the orders of an organization that is basically openly evil.
>>221151451>>221151573I realize that this might have gotten a bit muddled so I want to clarify: my issue with the evil characters is not that they are white and men, it is that there is not a single black or female character that share the same sadistic and cowardly characteristics. It feels like they cast the sadistic roles specifically for white men.
>>221150539>4 women on the poster
>>221150539it’s a well written show. looks good too. much better than the majority of shit put out these days.
>>221150794>Besides, there were prominent black and female imperials.Even worse
>>221151803for you
>>221151756>Blevin and Meero aren't pretty completely evilThis all depends on how you define evil. In my mind evil is willfully giving yourself to negative impulses like hate, pleasure (in a negative connotation), anger etc; preforming actions in service of negative emotions to feed some sort of need within yourself. Neither Blevin nor Meero are ultimately self-serving, they serve the empire which they see as something beneficial. In their minds the Empire brings order and stability to the galaxy, and in serving the Empire they themselves bring order and stability to the galaxy through their actions.This is the main difference I wanted shed light on. They may do evil deeds but it is not for the deed itself, it is just a means to (again, in their mind) a greater good.
Its Star Wars stripped of Star Wars.
>>221151920I see what you mean, but putting aside tv show/culture war reasons for the different portrayals with regard to race/gender, I think in real life it would be a distinction without a difference. If you believe in an organization as evil as the Empire, you are a sick sick fuck, even if the only way you outwardly show it is in your service to that organization.
>>221151975>organization as evil as the EmpireAs opposed to the Old Republic who were good boys who didn't do nothing.
>>221150539If it´s not a from the book classic hero´s journey about family and framed as tale with some cheesy transitions and stylized camera compositions then it´s not SW. Simple as.
>>221151985What is this argument? The Republic failed, but the ideals of the Republic on paper were clearly good. Frankly, any organization/civilization mature enough to use enlightened monks as their security force rather than a meathead military is more based than any earth govt.
>>221150539Yeah, good point! Why wasn't the Empire filled with brown people? Any other retarded musings you'd like to share with the class?
>>221152042>but the ideals of the Republic on paper were clearly goodFor aliens maybe.
>>221150539It started too based and finished too pozzed, such is the case with all things post 2001
>>221151935That's why it was good. Star Wars filled with Star Wars is Baby Yoda and his pet Boba Fett
>>221151975>If you believe in an organization as evil as the Empire, you are a sick sick fuckBut we as a viewer have a 10000 foot view of the empire over the course of hundreds of books and I don't know hot many film and series iterations. The people on the ground don't have the first hand context of the events happening as an effect of the empire's actions. All they know is that they are part of a system fighting against disorder like terrorist cells. You see this all the time in the real world, notably in America with things like Guantanamo bay and Abu ghraib. Does the acts there automatically make every individual in the American Government evil simply for being part of the structure that committed the acts?
>>221150539>You guys said this piece of media was good but forgot that I am obsessed with POLITICS Oh my bad. You should go watch a libs getting owned compilation on YT instead.
>>221150539You got filtered, lil bro>>221151935And that's what makes Andor the best Star Wars work.
>>221150539there's black and brown imperials but I'll grant you that luthen is swedish and klaya is anglo saxon, which are actual ethnicities rather than the dumbed down homogenized amorphous excuse for an identity known as whiteness, so you're right on that one. No wait, mothma
>>221152087I gotta be a good goy here and say that the evil empire and America are not even remotely equivalent. For all the fucked up shit America gets into, we still have a much more functioning and non oppressive democracy than the empire. The empire, even from the perspective of a character in the story, is obviously evil. Imagine if Abu Ghraib was America's standard instead of something that's disturbing precisely because we spend most of time NOT doing shit like that? That's the empire. Abu Ghraib before lunch, Jedi Temple massacre before dinner.
>>221152087realistically what good did the empire do for normal people? i'm talking about the ones like syril's mother, ordinary civilians, it feels less like they support the empire, but rather their lives don't really change whether or not the empire was in control or not
>>221150539This board needs a gif of that cute redhead from scott pilgrim saying "well at least it'll give us something to complain about". Would get a lot of mileage. Unrelated, but a screenshot of oscar from the office saying "why are you so concerned about this hypothetical transgendered attacker?" would be similarly useful.
>>221152210>That's the empire. Abu Ghraib before lunch, Jedi Temple massacre before dinner.But that isn't the case on a day-by-day basis for the average imperial citizen. All they know is that they are apart of a greater spanning empire and that they are working towards a common goal. They themselves do not see the more nefarious acts committed, people like Meera in the ISB don't see the most insane psycho shit that the emperor himself orchestrates on a daily basis. What I mean is that their motivations (speaking of Meera and Blevin) aren't evil in nature, since their goal in essence isn't serving a negative impulse. They are working towards a good goal, and that doesn't constitute them as evil.
>>221152149>leftists and their corporation kill 45 billion dollar IP that lasted for half a century to own the chudsNo wonder USSR collapsed.
>>221152250>realistically what good did the empire do for normal people?Again, I'm talking about "good" as subjective from the viewpoint of imperials like Meera. In short; stability, law, and infrastructure. They bring the planets they subjugate into the fold and impose order and peace.
>>221152293What I'm saying is that I disagree that they even think they are working toward a good goal. I think the show paints Meero specifically is someone drawn to the fascistic sociopaths of the empire because there is something wrong with her, some deficiency. She is stunted and is drawn to a stunted organization. MAYBE she sort of thinks fascism is good, but I think a big part of her just feels powerless and small and she uses her job to feel big. She is not a reasonable, sane person. But i think she knows that.
>>221152250https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOYtTpvu2nE
>>221150539Rapendor is Disney Wars, not Star Wars and thus not canon.
>>221152393Herzog needs to act more. He elevates everything he touches to kino status!
>>221150539>he fell for the /tv/ shillingkek. imagine falling for this. never ever trust anything that /tv/ shills.
>>221152369She was raised in a government kiddie corral. They built her idea of how things should be from the ground up after they arrested her parents for god knows what petty nonsense. She is a version of what you get if the empire raises a kid just how they want to
>>221152393>Empire icon suspiciously similar to star of davidCurious
>>221152312>leftists>corporationswdhmbt
>>221150539Andor is the least Star Wars-like production in the entire catalog. One wonders why Disney bothered to make it, and then one remembers that Disney is only interested in pumping out quantity and not quality. Andor is painfully slow, tedious, and simply boring. Stellan Skarsgard is superb, the rest of the cast is mediocre to poor. There isn't one likeable character.Even the very premise falls flat. There should be enormous tension in the secretive life of revolutionaries who are living among their oppressors, but the tension is mild at best. It felt like your typical cookie-cutter network television show. They put the main character in a dire situation that seems impossible to escape from, "cut to commercial", right, but it's a tv show and we know the main characters will go on somehow.And it abruptly ends in the most unsatisfying way. Andor is a complete waste of time.
>>221152502It's the funniest thing ever. I miss when people were saying zuckerberg was a commie.
>>221152522>There should be enormous tension in the secretive life of revolutionaries who are living among their oppressorsI felt this though. And my emotions are valid, chud.
>>221152522>but it's a tv show and we know the main characters will go on somehow.>And it abruptly ends in the most unsatisfying way.Wyell.... you sort of have a premonition because of rogue one...
>>221152502>>leftists>>corporationsYes.
>>221152614Okay, but where is the leftism?
>>221152687BLM is explicitly marxist organisation and all corporations supported their Covid spread riots.
>>221152715nta but corporations supporting a marxist organization is not the same as the corporation therefore being marxist. Especially when those examples are just free virtue signalling that costs the corporate nothing to post, and makes no commitments or promises to the public.
>>221150539Andor isn't Star Wars. It was just some ass sci-fi script they had laying around and pushed into production because they couldn't come up with an actual Star Wars show in time.
>>221152578of course you felt it, sweetie, and that's cute, but that simply means you have the emotional threshold of a fourteen year old girl
>>221152741>virtue signaling to show your approval of the thoughts and actions of a marxist organization does not mean you are a marxisttroons actually believe this retardation
>>221152715>marxist organisationIs this according to Fox News?>Covid spread riots.You mean the 99% peaceful protests. At this point, the Irish have burned down more shit in Belfast in one day than the entirety of the BLM protests in the US.>It's their cultcha
>>221152822>the protests were 99% peaceful>because I said so, mmmkay?Yes, and Hillary had a 98.7% chance of winning
>>221152819Yes? Corporations would publicly virtue signal anything and everything if they thought it would make them more money. It's just capitalism. If you don't understand this you're literally retarded my man. This is basic profit motive stuff.
>>221152858>Hillary out of nowhereTrump was president during the protests and the administration even admitted the majority were peaceful.>The absolute state of 4chan
>>221150539You might just be retarded.
>>221152822>Is this according to Fox News?No, that is acvording to marxists from BLM and all the corporations were applauding them.
>>221152890>we live in white supremacist, fascist, colonialist patriarchy according to leftists>it is profitable for corporations to shill for marxist organisationsThis is what leftists really velieve.
>>221152899Spreading around pandemic virus that killed 10 million people is not peaceful in any way.
>>221153070What does "velieve" mean?
>>221152715The corporations weren't supporting BLM's economic agenda, nor were most of the people who supported BLM. Literally no one but boomers care about "marxism" in 2020. People cared about BLM because they hate cops, and corporations backed them for brownie points. That's not leftism, it's opportunism.
>>221153070Corporations shill for whoever is winning the culture war. Things did get noticeably less woke when Trump won the popular vote and young people were actually positive on him. That's done now, so we're going right back to where we were. This Mark Levin/Limbaugh boomer argument that corporations are marxist and push agendas that hurt their bottom love just because they love black people and gays so much is completely divorced from reality.
>>221152858No, the data says the protests were mostly peaceful. I know you don't care about facts, but they are sort of important when you want to make definitive claims about reality. And the thing is, you don't even have to lie to make your point. The protests did cause billions in damages and there was violence - you can acknowledge all this while remaining in the realm of reality. But you have to exaggerate and lie constantly because that's all reactionaries do.>HURR HILLARY 98.7That's a speculative poll result. Something someone came up with before the event (election) happened. That's not remotely comparable to data regarding how many BLM protests became violent, which is data taken after the event happened. Are you okay?
>>221153253Dishonest framing. The "mostly peaceful" riots caused more damage and actual deaths than the protests you want to frame as violent. Just a few months before these "mostly peaceful" riots the actually completely peaceful demonstration against statue destruction was and is still framed as some great crime against humanity because one fat chick died of a heart attack.The same kind of dishonest framing in the service of violence of some retard dying from a drug OD is the *only* reason the BLM riots even happened and now it's been revealed even the people you point at to justify your violence like the KKK were paid by you to justify it. You people are pure evil, completely anti-human.
>>221150539>lust provoking image>irrelevant time wasting post
>>221150539>falling for the trannyshillsyou retard
