>10,000 year long breeding program to create a male who would survive the Spice Agony and gain access to the genetic memories of male and female ancestors >actually Alia can just do it anyways because she was pre born Kind of a big plot hole.
>>221165052The Psychic space nuns were kind of full of shit.
>>221165052She's an abomination though because she wasn't bred for it. Her powers are a side effect of her mother drinking when she was pregnant. Alia is a fetal alcohol syndrome victim who accidentally got psychic powers instead of massive retardation.
>>221165052>actually Alia can just do it anyways because she was pre born>Kind of a big plot hole.Not really, they explain she gets posessed by the Baron and goes crazy. Pre born shit is prone to that stuff.
>>221165185They said women can’t access the memories on their male sideBut they can . It just happened to Alia but she was possessed by fat Baron. If Bene Gesserit can control various men anyways they could find a way to control the male memories who gain control over a pre born girl
>evil space nuns spend millenia cultivating their coup against the entire human species>Paul is le evil antihero simply because he sat on the throne they built
>>221165052it’s not just gaining access you fucking retardit’s gaining access without losing your mind and being put in a mental cuckshed while some stronger (male) ancestor pilots you around as his new meatpuppet
>>221165052No, you simply misunderstand. Any female bene gesserit could have unlocked their male ancestral memories as well. However, they are trained to block them keep them locked away. Why? Because the male memories/egos are extremely aggressive, violent, and dominant. A woman unlocking the male ancestral memories leads to madness, psychological destruction, possession, and the dismantling of their own ego/personality. And we saw all that with Alia and how it ultimately lead to her downfall. She was more resilient due to the strength of Atreides willpower and her brother Paul, but she succumbed to it nonetheless.So in short, it’s not a plothole. Alia shows the dangers of a woman unlocking male ancestral memories and exemplifies why the bene gesserit keep them blocked in women, instead trying create the kwisatz haderach, a male who can survive the spice agony and has the psyche capable of withstanding male ancestral memories. I hope this helps.
>>221165238Women can gain male ancestral memories, they are trained not to because of the danger of a woman gaining them. Alia gained them because she was pre-born, subjected to the water of life in the womb, and therefore did not have the mental blocks that other bene gesserit, like her mother had, to keep the male memories locked away. If Alia outside of the womb, or any other woman/bene gesserit, was subjected to the water of life before training to develop the mental blocks needed to keep the male memories locked they would unlock the male memories and go mad. So yes, they can, but they’re trained not to.
>>221165052>Jada... Dune 3, can't wait to see it
>>221165052Pre-born go crazy and go Abomination. Happened to Alia, almost happened to the twins, Ghanima and Leto.
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>>221166652>>221166638It's so stupid but I love it.
>>221165052Alia had her memories from birth so she didn't get the chance to have her own personality. Although Leto 2 and Ghanima are fine for some reason.
dune sucks and was gay long before villenovue and zendaya dug their claws into it. grow up.
Alia isn't a male
>>221165052Breeding (with your mom)
>>221166638No idea what the reference is.
>>221165052alia is worthless for breeding program purposes so she isn't a substitute. it was never about just needing someone with magic powers for magic powers sake
>>221165052Abominations gain those abilities without the ability to control them in any way. She never developed a personality or identity of her own which is why she got taken over by one of her ancestors personalities. They needed someone more stable
>>221168519https://youtu.be/zNgcYGgtf8M?si=H5s6c4rnwZIIaqka
>>221165052>>actually Alia can just do it anyways because she was pre born >Kind of a big plot hole.And she goes insane because women cant do it.Not a plot hole at all.
>>221166638I like Billy Ocean posting
>>221165052Alia should have come back as a Ghola in a later novel
>>221169217Bene can train women to control their biological functions so as to choose the gender of their unborn childrenbut can't be trained to control their male ancestors
>>221165308>>221165308>Because the male memories/egos are extremely aggressive, violent, and dominant.So there are no doormat pushover beta simp males like me in this Universe? Ridicolous. Herbert was an idiot, plenty of women if not most are extremely aggressive and malicious.
>>221169362Yes.
>>221165238>They said women can’t access the memoriesI'm pretty sure they said they don't do it because it creates abominations that always go terribly wrong like Alia
