Two years ago, our government signed a treaty with the Dominion. In it, the Dominion promised to extend Cardassia's influence throughout the Alpha Quadrant. In exchange, we pledged ourselves to join the war against the Federation and its allies.Cardassians have never been afraid of war. A fact we've proven time and again over these past two years. Seven million of our brave soldiers have given their lives to fulfill our part of the agreement. And what has the Dominion done in return?Nothing. We've gained no new territories. In fact, our influence throughout the quadrant has diminished. And to make matters worse, we are no longer masters in our own home. Travel anywhere in Cardassia and what do you find? Jem'Hadar, Vorta, and now Breen. Instead of the invaders, we have become the invaded. Our "allies" have conquered us without firing a single shot.Well, no longer.
>>221174945Kino
>>221174945I’ve never watched Star Trek, where do I start so that I’m not bored while also not being totally lost in the lore?
>>221174969Deep Space Nine
Damar > Dukat
>>221174945
>>221174945Damn that sucks. Why did the Cardassian Union need the Dominion's help again?
>>221174998That's the worst answer. Watch a couple of the old movies and then start TNG because DS9 runs on TNG lore.
>>221174969If youre not bothered about the Star Trek setting go for Babylon 5, worse effects but better story
>>221175103Their shared Dominio-Cardassian values made them natural allies. The Dominion was Cardassia's greatest ally in fact.
>>221175103Because of the Maquis in their backyard and the Klingons on their front yard. They were cornered.
>>221174969TNG, season 3
>>221174945>Figures out how to take down the mine field>Hacks Klingon central command>Fixes a cloaking device in half a hour despite knowing nothing about them>Creates holographic disguises>Designs nearly invulnerable orbital weapons platforms>Stages untraceable transporter accidentsIs Demar a lowkey technical genius?
>>221176539Sounds like a Gary Stu to me. Most DS9 characters feel poorly written and not entirely thought out.
>>221175193Not even a star Trek fan but this is an excellent post.
>>221175193You're a dumbass.
>>221175103They needed an ally to deal with the klingons and maqui, but also the Dominion was going to fucking murder them first thing if they didn't bend the knee due to the Obsidian Order's shenanigans in the gamma quadrant.
>>221176443I would argue later seasons of TNG are worse than seasons 1 and 2. Might as well watch it all or just cherry pick the few episodes that have plots that carry over into DS9 and Voyager.
>>221178557Watching too much season 1 turns newbies off, only those with high tolerance for cheese should do all of season 1 on a first watch. Shouldn't skip Encounter at Farpoint though, despite its cheesiness.Season 1 is much easier to appreciate once you are already into what peak TNG is like.Season 7 of TNG is not worse than season 1 either btw. The finale of 7 alone is enough to put it higher. Season 2 is a mixed bag of great and terrible episodes. Debatable how you would rank that against 7.
>>221178722Season 7 is all relationship bullshit. In season 1 the focus is on weird shit happening and all the characters are autistic ubermensch who don't care about normie shit.
Ah, finally, a Star Trek thread that isn't spammed by one psychoWe need to start making these more often
>>221175193kek
I was 10 years old in 1999, and all day after the finale aired I would run around the house, jumping off furniture, and screaming at the top of my little lungs "FOR CARDASSIA!"
>>221176565>Rom season 1: I'm going to airlock my brother to take over his bar>Rom season 7: NERRRRD!
>>221178784We need to get rid of the general.
>>221178937At least until that guy disappears yeah agreed
>>221178722Season 1 of TNG genuinely bored me to tears. I was sick with the flu and thought it'd be a chill show to watch whilst i recover but it only made my health worse. I made it halfway through before giving up. I watched half of DS9 in the same time earlier.
>>221178891The setup for Rom becoming an engineering savant is hilariously threadbare. We get one scene of him repairing Quark’s replicator, and then later on Nog calls him a technical genius when he’s explaining why he wants to join Star Fleet.Then a couple episodes later he’s traveling through time and jury rigging the Defiant to rescue the Ops crew from the transporter pattern buffer. He couldn’t even teach Nog how to read in season one.
>>221175103Cardies couldn't remotely handle a war-economy Federation.
>>221174945>...and so 11 years ago, our website signed a deal with Hiroshimoot. In it Hiro promised to extend 4chan's influence throughout the internet. Seven million of our brave posters have given their IPs to fulfill our part of the agreement, and what has Hiro done in return? Nothing. We've gained no new memes. In fact, our influence throughout the internet has diminished. And to make matters worse, we are no longer masters in our own site. Post anywhere on 4chan and what do you find? Jan'Itor, /pol/tards, and now Troons. Instead of the /i/nvaders, we have become the raided. Our 'ally' has conquered us without making a single post. I call upon anons everywhere. Resist. Resist today. Resist tomorrow. Resist till the last captcha has been driven from our boards!
>>221175103They're a second-rate power who probably would've been wiped off the map by the Border Wars had it not been for Federation values. They couldn't handle the Klingons and a couple of idiot terrorists led by retarded Native American hippies.
>>221178784>>221178937>>221179080I've been avoiding the general for ages now because of that psycho. Finally a decent thread.
>>221180867It really doesn't make a lot of sense that Nog couldn't read before Jake taught him. How's a ferengi supposed to cook his books if he can't even read?
>>221180867They sprinkle in little bits where he shows off his technical prowess, like when he helps Quark break into the old shop of a murdered Bajoran rebel, but yes it does feel a bit forced, especially when ever observant Odo calls him an outright idiot in the first season, if anyone was going to realise he's subtly competent it'd be Odo
>>221174945No lies detected
>>221180867>>221178891Damar at least has the excuse of a photographic memory and turbo autism, Dukat must have had a good reason to chose him as his second. With Damar they don't push his technical skills in an inconsistent manner, it isn't really highlighted much he just casually gets shit done.
>>221174969Season 1, Episode 1, The Original Series
And people say VOY had shitty writing. DS9 is all over the place. Now you want me to feel sowwy for the poor poor Cawdassians? Awww fuck no. I'm from Bajor and I say, kill them all.
>>221182028>Oy veeeeeeeey
>>221174945Just watched this episode last night. Finally season 7 is starting to pick up... only 20 episodes in
>everybody says tng is their favourite trek show>ds9 has better characters, better seasons, better arcs and just generally better writingsomething i will never understand
>>221182176They flanderized dukat pretty heavily by them. S7 is saved by Ezri in her Vegas dress though.
>>221181485Maybe he couldn't read whatever they use for Federation standard writing
>>221182176That's a third of the murder rate in Venezuela. You're three times more likely to be murdered in Venezuela than to be killed by Cardassians in occupied Bajor.
DDNW
>>221182472It’s less than the suicide rate in the US
>>221183029Which is less that the suicide rate in S. Korea. We can do this all day, anon
>>221183335I don't know what you're doing but it's not what "we're doing".
>>221183368Being a Bajoran during the occupation was objectively less horrible than being a South Korean League of Legends player
>>221174945Man, when DS9 was firing on all cylinders it was the best of Star Trek for the character work aloneNog's arc might genuinely be the most compelling arc in sci fi
>>221183029>mfw the majority of Bajoran deaths during the Cardie occupation were suicides due to feelings of inferiority
>>221178830This is what ds9 fags think is good writing? Damn. Thank God I'm a b5chad
>>221183474>Nog's arc might genuinely be the most compelling arc in sci fiSo star trek is the only sci fi you've seen?
>>221174969Watch Wrath of Khan, then if you like it watch the rest of the TOS movies, then watch TNG and DS9.
>>221183591Feel free to enlighten us with some examples of more compelling character arcs
>>221183748Londo and g'qar from b5Ds9 is temu b5
>>221183572B5 goes to shit S5.
>>221183978Londo's a great character, I love Londo.But his arc is basically "Kinda scummy dude does some scummy things then feels bad about it and ends up paying the price in the end."G'Kar's arc is good, I won't argue that one. But at the start of the series he's already a battle hardened old soldier, he's just a bit pompous.Nog goes from a punk kid throwing water balloons at people on the promenade in season 1 to a disabled veteran with severe PTSD working to not let it consume him by the end of the series.
>>221183978B5 is temu DS9. At least in terms of design
>>221183474Nog was the only Starfleet academy cadet they've shown that wasn't a complete douchebag.
>>221184116Woah this midget who can't act went from slapstick comedic relief like Jar Jar to le grizzled ptsd soldier (never forget Vietnam semper fi) >>221184132Cope
>>221184141he was a douchebag at the end of Valiantred squad did nothing wrong. He spat on capt Chad’s grave because he thought he still had a shot at hooman puss
>>221184162>Ugh the clown got sad, that's not an arc!But enough about Londo
>>221184179Captain Chad was a moron who disobeyed orders for glory which would be fine if he was a soldier in the klingon empire but he wasn't.
>>221174969Watch TNG but don't be a faggot and skip episodes. You have to watch it all.
>>221184141>the only competent, trustworthy, and wholly pleasant cadet was a FerengiFuture of Starfleet looking grim
>>221183474My favorite part about Nog's arc is that he outranks Harry Kim by the end of the series.
>>221184250I mean, have you seen NuTrek?
>>221184260KEK I never thought about that
>>221184240>disobey orders and route the enemy, save 1000s or 10s or 100s of thousands of livesoh nooooo anyways
>>221184287How many lives did Captain Chad save pulling a stupid stunt at Starfleet's equivalent of a Blue Angels show?
>>221184282>Lieutenant junior grade? I'm sorry Mr Kim we don't have any pips on board, you'll have to wait until we get back to the alpha quadrant >Congratulations Ensign Paris, it gives me great pleasure to promote you to full lieutenant again.
No you don't understand, Rom's character arc is the best in all sci fi, possibly in all fiction ever
>>221184357go back to the general shranny
>>221184314That was Tom Paris
>>221184357Rom was a real nigga pretty much as soon as they started giving him linesLove that dude. Love that dude.
>>221184357Rom had no arc he was just retarded and then he wasn’t He was like Daisy on Downton Abbey
>>221184391No it was cadet locarno.
>>221184429Don’t deadname
Who was a worse father: Dukat or Worf?
>>221184459Worf, worst father, worst brother, decent husband but it wouldn't have worked out long term. Jadzia dying saved him much dishonor.
>>221184459Dukat by a big margin. His children all struck his name from memory except the one he got killed
>>221174969TOS pilot, then S1 E1, then production order of films and series until Star Trek 10
>>221176539>Is Demar a lowkey technical genius?Only when he's drunk on Kanar, he's like a drunken kung fu master
>>221184521Dukat at least told people he had children.
>>221184521Most of worf’s bad parenting is a result of his choices, made under no duress whatsoever. Dukat is more of a bad father due to circumstance.
ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS
>>221184614Gul Pa’Ige
>>221184587>circumstanceCircumstances under his complete control? His family falling apart is due to his infidelity, Cardassians are conservatives with strong family values. Dukat ist completely in charge of his own disgrace
>>221184260Gotta wonder what Garret Wang did to piss off everyone behind the scenes so badly that the golden rule of star trek became kim remains an ensign
Cardassian Hybrid President of the Federation Laira Rillak
the cardassiocaust never happened and if it did they deserved it
>>221184657Go. Back. To. Your. General. Freak.
>>221184395Best part about roms actor was Jake's actor didn't realize he was 20 years older until years later. Rip rom
>>221184639Wife could only find out about that because of his enemies actions
>>221184655He was named one of People magazine's sexiest men of the year right before they were going to kill him off.
>>221184680You're thinking of Nog. Rom was Nog's dad.But I agree with the sentiment, RIP Nog.
>>221184655Didn't show up on set in time a lot, including being an hour late on an off-site shoot once. Brought a new girl every week, got fucked up in Vegas every weekend and more.Had it not been for Lien losing the plot it would've been Kim leaving the ship when Seven arrived.
>>221184241>You have to watch it all.No you fucking don't.
>>221184734>Brought a new girl every week,I honestly thought the actor was gay.
>>221184696Doesn't take away from his disgrace or shame. Dukat is a lousy excuse for a Cardassian which is exactly why he was given the posting at Terrorist Station and no Cardassian except Damar ever treats him with respect.
>>221184784God why couldn't that have been the end of Dukat? Everything they did with him after that was retarded.
>>221184814Dukat masquerading as a bajoran should have been a lot more fun, especially when he teams up with Pope Ratched, but like you said it's retarded instead.
>>221184734imagine if they had axed both kes and kimshould have had jerry ryan play her own twin, and introduce her twin character
>>221184814Behr was real upset that the chuds liked Dukat. So he was going to take him down not just one peg, but as many as possible.
>>221184814You don't understand. Loserboy wants a statue.
>>221184814>dukat becoming a cult leader that fucks all of the young women and cucks all of the bajoran men as a way to destroy bajor from the insideholy based>dukat actually believes it wholeheartedly and it is actually real and pah wraiths come to the station to do battle with the founderscompletely pants on head retarded
>>221175103Because Dukat was an idiot and the Cardassians were an arrogant dying empire>Dominion lose: Cardassia is destroyed>Dominion win: Cardassia loses all leverage over the DominionThere was no reason to ally with the Dominion in reality. The Feddies were already helping them beat the Klingons AND the maquis while Dukat got a cool spaceship and was turning Kira into one of those revolutionary black nationalists that only fucks white dudes.
>>221184931he did abolish child labor
>>221185180wow
>>221174945>In it, the Dominion promised to extend Cardassia's influence throughout the Alpha QuadrantThis is such an unfathomably stupid promise. How could they fall for such blatant bullshit?
>>221185210Dukat wants statue and to be called supreme leader, everything else is secondary to that goal
People complain about O'brien and Keiko but Jadzia was a WAY worse wife. Lured Worf in by pretending to be a huge Klingonaboo then every time his culture demanded any kind of respect or sacrifice she just shit on it and threw a tantrum, and 90% of the plotlines about culture clashes between them end with Worf just sadly abandoning his values to keep his nagging bitch wife happy. She was groping and flirting with a guy at her wedding party in front of like 30 people including Worf's in laws and acted like they were insane for getting made about that, not to mention that even just as Jadzia she had a billion lovers and had private candlelit dinners with them while seeing Worf and teased him about getting mad at that.Jadzia was just an annoying mary sue, literally everyone who ever interacted with her inexplicably loved her no matter what, it was infuriating. Also, does anyone know what happened with her actress behind the scenes causing her to get suddenly killed off? Clearly the writers were pissed considering they didnt show her in Worf's ending flashbacks
>>221185210they didn't think the alpha quadrant would be cut off from the delta or that wormhole aliens would just delete an armada
>>221185403Her contract was up, she didn't really like the producers and they didn't like her so she left to star on the hit sitcom Becker with ted danson. She's married to Adam Nimoy now.
>>221185448>wormhole aliens Prophets anon, prophets. That type of disrespect is what gets armadas deleted.
>>221185403The story as I understand it is the cast were negotiating their contracts for the last season, and Berman offered her a shit deal and said "Either take this deal or you'll be working at K-Mart because you're a shit actress."Whether or not you agree with the sentiment it's a really stupid and unprofessional thing for an executive producer to say to talent. And she called his bluff and walked and got a pretty good gig on Becker right after.
>>221185484>>221185522I'm surprised that the writers didn't like her considering how relentlessly they fellated her character throughout the show. She in fact was a shit actress btw.
>>221178800gay ass little kid
>>221185546The character was supposed to be a know it all, do it all type, like Data, before anyone was even cast but she's a shit actress so they resented her lack of effort for what I'm sure they thought was the best sci-fi writing ever.
>>221185587Oh come on, let gay ass little kids have their fun. They turn into joyless, crusty old faggots like us soon enough
>>221181076Are they even second rate? Yes they dabbed on the kvetching bajorans, but when I think second rate I think Tholians and Breen who are actual threats to the feds. Their galor class frigates are pretty pathetic in comparison and their force projection is limited to a few systems, its mostly seems to be federation cowardice that stops them from just killing every spoonhead outright because it would cost so many civilian lives
>>221184241This is the correct answer. The first two seasons are most certainly the weakest and the first half of season 1 almost feels closer to a soap opera, but there's a bunch of episodes that provide critical context for later shit, and only lke 4 or 5 per season that are shitty and can be skipped without consequence.
founders are retards. lording over the gamma quadrant for eons. never changing. never growing. losers dont even have transwarp.
>>221184734He was banging waitresses two at a time!
>>221185403>getting made about thatIt was revenge for Ziyal, and a lot of other things. And there was nothing that we could do about it. Dukat was a made man, and Jadzia wasn't. And we had to sit still and take it. It was among the Cardassians. It was real spoonhead shit. They even shot Jadzia in the head so her retarded whore personality couldnt transfer to Dax new host.
>>221184726It annoys me that they postuhumously made nog a famous captain after his actor died. Dude SHOULD have been famous in starfleet, but for completely redefining federation logistics and reintroducing the of economics to a civilization that had basically abandoned it for centuries. Like Fritz Haber only for space colonization, small changes that ended up saving the loves of billions.https://youtu.be/BxHhCh9zA3I
>>221185642I really despise Jadzia, especially when we got Ezri right after for one measly season and her schtick of being insecure and struggling about her legacy is WAY better in every way.Jadzia had exactly three things going for her.1, being a whore2, making """"jokes"""" to show how fun-loving she is3, saying shit like "back when I was scrimblo dax I was actually a master of "insert random skill here" followed by a shiteating grin.Terri Farrell was REALLY hot so imagine how useless a character must be for me to ignore that. Shes worse than Troi, I said it.
>>221185821Ezri was way better than Jadzia because she had a character besides the worm. Every Jadzia episode was her dealing with some worm related past life bullshit. >Someone's trying to steal my worm>I'm being tried for treason for something my worm did in its last host>I must fulfill the promise that my worm made before I was born It got old quick.
>>221174945sounds like america
>>221184655According to other staff members. Garrett was seen as very unreliable. He showed up late to set consistently. Not just once or twice because of emergency situations. But almost all the time. Sometimes as much as 1 to 2 hours late. Everyone would be waiting. He didn't take the job seriously. So they felt he wasn't trustworthy enough to handle directing or producing an episode. Ensign Kim was also supposed to be killed off, and the writers wanted to bring on another woman character to balance out the cast to have a 50/50 split between 4 women and 4 men. This would allow more romance opportunities too.
>>221186226There you are
>>221182273Ezri is a cute, worth watching just for her
>>221185821Jadzia is a non-character, her "character" is being a vessel for Curzon's past to reappear dramatically. She's a marry sue by every metric, can outfight a cardassian, outwit a vulcan, outdrink a klingon, tall, hot, fucks around, no character flaws. We don't even learn her full name in the show. Ezri gets more character growth in the first 6 episodes than Jadzia did in her 6 seasons.I'd still fuck the living shit out of prime Terry Farrell btw
>>221186770Don't forget she's also a master tongo player, so good that she's the only non ferengi allowed to play.
>>221185403>>221185484>>221185522From the Star Trek Oral History: She wanted to be reduced to a recurring character, like Garak or Nog, but Rick Berman refused.>>221185546The writers did like her. Rick Berman didn't handle writing on DS9, just hiring and firing.
The last season could have been so good. It needed one more season or, at the very least, a film to properly and non-shittily conclude the show.
>>221186864Nah, hard disagree. They were already veering off heavily into pew pew shlock, which was a course the entire franchise was doomed to go in.Trek overall was best when it was a twilight zone style morality play show. Once they started stacking on "lore" and "context" it was always bound to go into empty spectacle.The franchise was at its best during mid-TNG. You could sit down and watch an episode and everything you needed to know was self-enclosed within the episode.
>>221186864It needed an extra episode to undo the final episode's Fire Caves nonsense.Do a flash-forward into the future where the Bajorans have figured out how to redirect the wormhole anywhere they want, and then they become jihadis and declare holy war on all the infidels who don't worship the Prophets. Kira has to go back in time to sacrifice herself to save Sisko and just fucking shoot Dukat instead of his Fire Caves bullshit.>But Anon, that's a stupid idea, and you're stupid for coming up with it!TNG, Voyager and Enterprise all did flash-forwards into the future for their final episodes, so why not DS9 too?
>>221186850Rick Berman is such a sniveling coward it's unrealSame with Denise Crosby. All he does is lie and pretend to be a good person while everyone around him, especially women, call him a manipulative sexist piece of shit.
>>221186850>zero talent cunt who got a job through modelling complains about being judged on her appearance
>>221186923>You could sit down and watch an episode and everything you needed to know was self-enclosed within the episode.This is one of the few things Voyager did better than the other post tng shows.
>>221187338If she's so talentless then why would it be an issue to have her in fewer episodes?They could have even killed off Jadzia, given us Ezri, and kept Terry Farrell as Mirror Jadzia. They could have blown up the Mirror Universe brought Mirror Jadzia into ours, and then have Mirror Jadzia sleep with Ezri in broadcast television's first explicit lesbian sex scene. The possibilities are limitless.
>>221187398They would have dimmed the lights so you couldn't see anything like in Jadzia's other lesbian sex scene with her worm's ex-wife.
who should make the spiritual successor now that nu-trek is dead and buried?
>>221187586Goldstein and Daley are doing another spinoff timelineThere won't be a TV show for years to comeOrville Season 4 is all that's left
>>221174969I've had this question forever, always feared I was too late and the continuity is unwieldy to just jump into
>>221188344Nah, most of Trek is episodic, you can slip in and out of 70-80% of episodes without having a clue about what's been going on prior. Find a popular episode online, watch it, and if you like it, watch another, and another, and if you still like it, then feel free to try and watch things a little more in order (or not, do whatever you want).Ignore all the spergs telling you you've got to watch every fucking series in the right order.
>>221174969>>221188344It's less complicated than it looks, because you are strongly advised to avoid all content released after 2005, so half the material can be written off entirely.>the bare minimumYou watch TNG, starting at season 3.>the pop cultureYou watch the TOS movies and all of TNG.>the classicsYou watch TOS, the TOS movies, and TNG.>the good writingYou watch TOS, the TOS movies, TNG and DS9.>the "good enough" writingYou watch TOS, the TOS movies, TNG, the TNG movies, DS9, Voyager and EnterpriseAnd nothing after 2005.
>>221180867>Dear Quark,>I used pieces of your disruptor to repair the replicator; will return them soon.>Rom
>>221188443>didnt use the replicator to replicate replacement partsrom is a moron
is something wrong?do you not like girls?
>>221188432Starting at season 3 is too much, just take five seconds to look up and watch the good episodes from Season 2. There are plenty of good ones there, its not like you have to sit down for shades of gray
>>221175103Their secret police force tried to genocide a hostile empire, the Dominion, but the genocide plan was discovered and the Dominion laid a trap that wiped out the secret police, and their allies. The lack of secret police allowed the civilians of Cardassia to finally gain political clout, and create a civilian government. The Dominion, who were the original target of the genocide plan, used the sudden regime change as a pretext to trick the Klingon Empire into invading them, under the pretense that the regime change was instigated by the Dominion via shape shifters. The Klingons curbstomped the Cardassians and decimated their navy. This made the Cardassians so desperate for a return to former glory that they joined the Dominion. This alliance however was predicated on one specific Cardassian having enough clout and charisma to keep the Dominion in check. After he had a psychotic break the Dominion steam rolled the new leaders, and turned them into second class citizens within the Dominion.
>>221188524Cardassian replicators are pieces of shit, probably couldn't replicate anything besides food and drinks.
>>221174945>we have become the invaded>conquered us without firing a single shotYikes! Does Damar not understand that diversity is Cardassia's strength?
>>221178830I didn’t like this scene. Part of Dukat’s appeal was that throughout the majority of the show, until he goes insane, you never really know whether he truly felt empathy for Bajor and its people.He seemed to have genuinely believed in his cause and duty. Revealing that he really was a cartoon villain simplified him.
>>221189939The writers course correcting after Dukat was becoming to likeable.
>>221189939You're right but alaimo kills it in the scene anyway
>>221190396Wrong thread bot
>>221188567Only alien girls, now get the hell out.
