>>221186969
You want to put your machine gun overlooking a wide field of advance, either in a reinforced position, or depending on the ambush, in an area it can hit everyone in the open.

In this situation, they had intel they were going to get hit by a tank and a platoon that HAD to get to a single position. Putting the machine gun up top where it would pop out after they were in the open was a smart decision to get as many kills as possible.

t. infantry soldier

>>221186969
>didnt he have military advisors on set?
>elite, veteran panzer unit sends tanks into a city to chase enemy paratroopers
No, he did not. Rule #1 for armor is that it does not go into tight enemy-occupied city streets, because they have unlimited options and places to ambush you, as we saw. No tank commander at all, let alone that of an elite SS unit, would have even considered biting such obvious bait in such an obviously stupid way
Ol snipey would've been dead in seconds, because after they opened fire, the commander would've had a couple rounds of 88mm high explosive put into the tower, quite safely, from half a mile away

>>221187220
>In this situation, they had intel they were going to get hit by a tank and a platoon that HAD to get to a single position. Putting the machine gun up top where it would pop out after they were in the open was a smart decision to get as many kills as possible.
I can see why you aren't an officer. The tanks would've had line of sight on that tower the whole time, and once they noticed there were people shooting up there, they would've blown it up
Actually a tank commander might've started out by putting a round or two into that tower, and anywhere else that looked interesting, just to be safe before any of his men set foot in the town

>>221187299
yeah no, we used tanks in Fallujah. They were retaking a bridge head.

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>>221186969
What was he thinking when his daughter became a porn star?

>>221187299
>Rule #1 for armor is that it does not go into tight enemy-occupied city streets
What was the battle of Grozny

>>221187346
Do you know what an ambush is? You wait until they are in the kill zone. You don't go off as soon as you see them like Omaha beach.

>>221187354
Then you probably had very high confidence that there wasn't anyone who'd be dropping things on you from the heights, or a whole bunch of CAS to suppress anything that moved within half a mile of where they were going to be, or probably both
The Germans had learned very bitter lessons that armor doesn't go into enemy-occupied cities unless it was absolutely necessary. An SS commander who got Tigers and SPGs blown up because he wanted to chase some paratroopers into an obvious ambush would've been a private in a penal battalion the next week

>>221187427
Yes, you don't use the tank in the front - you keep it about half a block to a block behind the line of control. This tank was killed by infantry sneaking up on it's side at ground level because it didn't have proper security.

>>221187346
>The tanks would've had line of sight on that tower the whole time
how many degrees do you think a tank gun can tilt upwards

This was WW2 when they haven't really ironed out all the tactics for tank warfare yet.

>>221187415
>non sequitir
If you're rolling along in the countryside, and spot some enemy soldiers who then run into the ruins of a city, the chances that there are more soldiers waiting to ambush you in there are about 100%
If you have Tigers with 88mm guns that can blow stuff up from neighboring time zones, the absolute dumbest thing you could do is run them (and open top SPGs) down a narrow street surrounded by high rise buildings where you know there are at least some enemies, where there could be any number of them waiting with rockets or mortars or molotovs, which of course is exactly what happened. It was a great sequence in a great movie but very very silly, same as putting a sniper and MG in the least defensible position in the world when you know there are tanks and SPGs in the enemy force

>>221187453
>This tank was killed by infantry sneaking up on it's side at ground level because it didn't have proper security.
It was like 20 feet behind the first grenadiers, the freshest lieutenant out of tank school wouldn't have done something so suicidally idiotic
Great scene though

>>221187480
>can't do math
The tank has a gun with a range measured in kilometers
You can actually demolish a bell tower using explosives by hitting it anywhere

>>221187299
>let alone that of an elite SS unit
That means absolutely nothing, they weren't a professional army.

>>221186969
>>221187220
I wuz thinking da same thing while watching the movie. Yeah let me go hide at the most obvious spot of all time WTF was spelberg smoking?
t.moron

>>221187480
did you fail geometry or are you trolling

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>>221187480
Decently high since the breech has to go down from an elevated position. It's usually aiming down that's the problem as the breech will hit the roof

World of tanks wiki says 15° up 8° down

>>221187299
>elite SS unit
most SS units were very mediocre and performing worse than werhmacht despite having better equipment
>>221187427
>An SS commander who got Tigers and SPGs blown up because he wanted to chase some paratroopers into an obvious ambush would've been a private in a penal battalion the next week
SS was constantly shredding equipment and men because of their aggressive tactics. SS casualties were around 34% and there were tank battalions exceeding 100% casualty rate. Himmler and Hitler didn't give a fuck because for them that was true heroism.

>>221187521
>they weren't a professional army.
The 2nd SS Panzer Division was an elite formation that had seen some of the most vicious fighting in the East, and was being kept in reserve to counter the expected Allied landings in France. They had the best of everything the Germans could provide

>>221187512
>You can actually demolish a bell tower using explosives by hitting it anywhere
>get into town
>get ambushed
>retreat 2km away from the village
>shoot the tower
sure buddy

>>221187566
>15° up
>compare to the shot in the movie
okay, nigger. anything else?

>>221187605
>most SS units were very mediocre
Most SS units were volunteer infantry/grenadier units raised from non-German populations, and they were not very good at all, especially since the all-out recruitment that created most of them began late in the war
The 2nd SS Panzer "Das Reich," as the number suggests, was one of the very oldest and most elite units the Germans had, and it didn't hurt that the top SS units were first in line for everything.

>>221187621
>look at town, realize it's obviously an ambush
>see likely spots for trouble
>blow them up with HE from a mile away
>send in infantry to mop up
That's how it would've worked

>>221187615
Yes, they had top of the line equipment compared to the rest of the German military but that doesn't make them a professional military. They were a heavily armed political group whose officers were appointed for political reasons, not competence.

>>221187680
>that doesn't make them a professional military. They were a heavily armed political group whose officers were appointed for political reasons, not competence.
Anon, you are conflating territorial infantry units thrown together at the end of the war with the elite. The elite SS units were among the best of the war for any of the powers, and by summer 1944 they were among the most experienced as well.
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>221187676
>That's how it would've worked
Actually it wouldn't have worked like that because it didn't work out like that irl. Spielberg's movie gives germans upper hand in the third act for dramatic effect. In reality germany was fucked after stalingrad and most SS veterans died there

>>221186969
What was he thinking when he said I LOVE ISRAEL

>>221187756
>I saw a history channel thing once
Jesus Christ, why do you want to argue about something you don't know anything about with someone who does?

>>221187346
this; late ww2 it was standard operating procedure to plop some vantage points to be safe, just like church tower

>>221187852
Based actual history book reader

>>221187783
germans had no oil, they imported tungsten from china. Most of their transport was using horses due to oil shortages since 1939. They had no means to wage war against two countried that had unlimited manpower (USSR) and unlimited equipment (US). Stalingrad was a gambit to get the oil. It failed, by the end of the war germany was experimenting with wood gas and pumping out africa tier shit rifles

>>221187720
>The elite SS units were among the best of the war for any of the powers,
kek, elite at getting their shit pushed in

>>221187914
It failed because Hitler had a hard on for the city and wanted to destroy it instead of isolating it and taking the oil fields.

>>221187645
Nta just watching the movie for the first time now and dont have any context, couldn't the tank just shoot the tower and collapse the whole thing if it can get it in fov? Its not like you have to drop the shell directly on top of the guys

I'm no military expert but it always struck me as absurd that veteran German troops would just saunter into this perfect ambush site following blatant bait down the main street without scouting the place out first and keeping the tanks back and well-protected.

>>221187914
>no I saw like two things on the history channel!!
We're talking about 1944, in France. Believe it or not, Field Marshal Paulus' surrender the year previously did not stop dozens of Tiger and Panther tanks being commanded by the most veteran tank commanders alive from being unbelievably deadly
Around that time, a single SS tank crew destroyed about 13-15 British tanks, plus 15 personnel carriers/half-tracks, and a smattering of other vehicles, in about 20 minutes. On the Eastern front it was even more lopsided, one SS tank ace killed 22 T-34s in one engagement
They were low on fuel and ammo, their tanks were overengineered and hard to maintain and replace, and we had total air supremacy, but when it was foggy or there wasn't a Typhoon in the area those units were absolute nightmares to fight

>>221187983
Yes. Also the Tiger tank's gun had a range of kilometers. They could've quite safely shelled the town from half a mile away then sent in the grenadiers to mop up, which is what any real commander would've done at the time

>>221187512
>sequitir
Retard

>>221187512
Except they didn't spot troops that ran into a town. The scouting halftrack and it's soldiers were all killed.

>>221187615
>The 2nd SS Panzer Division was an elite formation
Are you people you making stuff up? Not only did they perform poorly in Poland, they also almost got wiped out in Ukraine later. These people are hardcore ideologues, but not military elite.

>>221188067
German here. The Tiger sucked. I talked to several tank commanders in the late 90s. All of them laughed at the idea of German military superiority.

>>221187983
Theres a part of not wanting to announce your intentions to attack an area. Also, they had no idea what the strength was in the area, and had no reason to expect major resistance that far in land on D+1

>>221188013
This and Fury kinda painted them as useless bumbling idiots because they had to portray them as incompetent.

The main reason they lost the war was manufacturing output dropped as they were bombed and they had no oil as well. They also refused to have their women work in factories further affecting material availability.

>>221187220
Lmfao. Meat grinder grunt obviously

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upham carrying all the mg ammo was dumb too.

>>221186969
>twitter user wants to advertise he was in the military so he piggybacks on someone elses post and makes it about him
Very womanly behaviour.

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>spending 25 years nitpicking a movie

you guys realize they had TWO machine guns, one was on the ground.

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>>221186969
military advisor was a viet vet and didnt know shit about ww2. he just heard stories from his dad

>>221188511
Damn, that guy was even in Starship Troopers.

>>221188366
how many wrinkly fingers up the skirt did she get that day?

>>221188645
as many as were needed to thank those men for their service. Why do you think she was wearing a skirt in the first place?

>>221186969
Yes he did, USMC Captain Dan Dyle

>>221188067
>Around that time, a single SS tank crew
who cares, it wasn't typical SS performance. Even for that unit. Even for that crew.
>On the Eastern front
We're talking about 1944, in France.
>those units were absolute nightmares to fight
In the 60s, a polish mercenary Rafał Ganowicz went to fight in Africa. He recalled a whole tribe of communist inspired blacks charging the merc MGs shouting some spells that were supposed to turn bullets into water. It was a nightmare to fight these people because of their fanaticism. This is also the way SS was "nightmare to fight", the equipment itself was mid and declassified by late american equipment.
>history channel!!
lmao why are you so mad? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously if you get mad and belittle people for having a different (correct) opinion on an 80 year old war

>we
it's the ultimate american cuckold fantasy to bow down to countries your grandfathers bested. Both Japanese and Germans. Like a white chick who fucks blacks because her father is racist.

I don't know if people in this thread are trolling or not. Of course the fucking tank would shoot the church tower from far away, how is this even a debate? Germans would also have supporting fire from mortars to fuck the city up the second they knew that it was occupied by yankees. The movie is pure nonsense in tactical sense.

>>221188948
based, any american that sucks up to these foreign faggots in any a capacity deserves a kick in the dick

>>221187299
>Rule #1 for armor is that it does not go into tight enemy-occupied city streets
like stalingrad

>>221188574
What character?

>>221188948
>declassified
...do you mean outclassed?

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>>221189193
He was doogie Hauser's boss,

>>221187346
>Actually a tank commander might've started out by putting a round or two into that tower
Or just called in arty, why would you roll into dense terrain without any battlefield prep?

There is a good explanation tho, because it's the western front in '44 everyone is a fucking amateur with no business on a battlefield. The SS are all political appointees avoiding the eastern front, and the Americans have had the exact three weeks since they landed combat experience.

>>221188511
>wtf? actors playing roles in films didn't actually live out those roles?? that's such bullshit!
are zoomers just retarded now?

>>221187645
15 degrees at 2kms is 535m high.
The tallest building in the world at the time was the empire state building at 381m.

>>221189411
They invaded North Africa and Italy before DDay. One guy even has cans of dirt from everywhere they'd been before France.

I love that American's think they're a mighty military force, even when it trickles down to the plebeians of American society adding commentary.
Since ww2 you've just been throwing bodies at everything a la Slavs. When that doesn't work you bomb things from afar. When that doesn't work you limp away and say "Mission Accomplished!".

Your entire country is a fucking joke. I'm glad there's been a concentrated effort from an invisible 5th column destroying you and the jews from within since before ww2 ended.

>>221189303
yes, that's what I meant

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>>221189444
>at 2kms
I'm sorry bro this isn't 2km

>>221189462
seething thirdie lol

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>>221189462
Still mad that your team didn't qualify for the big soccer game to be played in America?

>>221186969
The whole movie is rather childish.
I enjoy the comfy vibes tho.

>>221186969

Don't forget the 'Rommel Asparagus' facing the wrong way on the beach.

>>221189513
Which is why you take out the bell tower BEFORE you enter the town.

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>>221189444
>15 degrees at 2kms is 535m high
>The German Tiger I tank's 8.8 cm KwK 36 gun had an effective combat engagement range of 1,500 to 2,000 meters

>>221189453
Yeah I know, which itself was kind of apocryphal since the units involved in north africa were withheld for sicily because the brass wanted to give the green guys experience. And most of the guys landing at normandy were also green. There were exceptions and I don't remember which unit they were detached from in the movie, and I'm not really defending it, I'm just pointing out that IRL the western front in '44 was kinda amateur hour on both sides. It was the lessons learned in France in '44 that make the infantry officers of today so much better at not doing obviously dumb shit like this.

OP is comparing himself watching the movie as a kid, to himself with 25 years of military experience. Back then nobody in france had 25 years of military experience.

>>221189770
Yeah and a church tower is only like 5 meters high.

>>221189690
>Which is why you take out the bell tower BEFORE you enter the town
imagine planning attack on a city and beforehand you just pick 5 arbitrary targets to get shot by a tank from 2 kilometers away out of a two dozen - if you fail to see how autistic that sounds then you can go back to watching history channel

>>221189366
holy based

>>221189366
is that fucking tuco salamanca

>>221189803
I swear I saw the cans of dirt thing in another movie. The Big Red One maybe.

>>221189907
it was in ryan I 100% remember it, tom hanks was collecting dirt

>>221189846
If you're planning an attack on a city you bring an artillery battalion and shell the city first.

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>>221187220
Putting your machine gun in the most obvious most exposed high point as possible so every single enemy soldier can easily aim and shoot towards your direction is dumb as fuck. Theres a reason why real armies teach infantry not to set up directly on top of hills because thats the first place everyone is aiming towards.

>>221189919
It was in Ryan but I was saying I saw it in another movie first and Spielberg probably saw the same movie.

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>>221189924
if you're a nigger- yes

>>221189924
>bring an artillery battalion
We're discussing shooting random buildings with a tank

>>221189975
>Don't do any reconnaissance or battlefield prep, don't use artillery at all, just send a column of tanks down the main throughfare without infantry support
Is that what he said? Coz I don't think that's what he said.

>>221190050
We're discussing the tactical stupidity of the final battle of Saving Ryan's Privates.
The point being that with hindsight you don't do what the Germans did and you also don't do what the Americans did, and you basically just don't do war wrong like that.

>>221187756
>In reality germany was fucked after stalingrad and most SS veterans died there
no SS units were in Stalingrad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_order_of_battle_at_the_Battle_of_Stalingrad

>>221190078
they didn't even make it lmao

>>221189886
No, he's too old and skinny. Tuco would have been in his late 20's when this was filmed.

>>221189803
Not calling you wrong but a lot of the units on D-Day fought in North Africa (1st ID, 82nd Airborne, and the Ranger battalion that the main characters are part of).
Some of the 101st Airborne guys were from North Africa units too.

>>221189803
>which itself was kind of apocryphal since the units involved in north africa were withheld for sicily because the brass wanted to give the green guys experience
The Allies conquered Sicily almost a year before Normandy. They were already fighting in Italy.

>>221190138
Yeah the Airborne I knew, and 1ID makes sense, but the American units that fought in North Africa, with very small exceptions, were not used in Sicily/Italy because they wanted to get green units bloodied up a bit instead of just using the same guys every time.

>>221187220
>smart decision to get as many kills as possible.
This anon focuses on his KDR and his team always loses the match for some reason.

I was a tank commander in Afghanistan and we always fired at the bell towers first.

>>221190189
Yeah, kinda. If you mean the first units, the 4th and 29th ID were green, and 101st was somewhat mixed. But a number of the followup units were also North Africa/Sicily veterans.
The US Army actually did a good job shuffling units between theatres.

>>221190238
a minaret isn't a bell tower

>>221190238
This is stolen valor. Muslims believe bells are haram. Therefore no bell towers.

>>221189944
>because thats the first place everyone is aiming towards
PUBG and BRs debunks this

>>221190265
It's a loudspeaker tower.

I was a squad commander in Afghanistan and I'm embarrassed that the 45th president made a deal with the Taliban for US troops to withdraw.

>>221190265
Many minarets have a form of bell in them actually.

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>>221190351
Bells are haram

>>221189803
>I'm just pointing out that IRL the western front in '44 was kinda amateur hour on both sides
which is why it's so disappointing every movie is just the western front or japan jobbing in the pacific
it would never happen obviously but imagine the visuals of movie about kursk, or the battles in the arctic, or the caucasus...

>>221190264
isn't looking at divisions the wrong granularity? ww2 was fought by regiments, no?
so looking at 16th rct instead of 1id should be more insightful.

>>221190605
>ww2 was fought by regiments, no?
no, the regiments were largely tied to their divisions, at least for the US

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>>221189886
no, but Lt. Carver had a great career in the Baltimore Police department before the attack on Buenos Aires forced him to important on more important matters

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>>221190643
what would a rct need a division for?

>>221190719
A good question. For another day.

>>221190755
oh, Americans couldn't really do regiments like Germans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separate_tank_battalion#Experience
>Battles in the Mediterranean and North African theaters exposed numerous organizational weaknesses in the Army. Perhaps the most significant was the existence of separate, independent GHQ tank battalions. These units, considered inferior in maintenance and training to their counterparts in armored divisions, were usually quickly rotated between different infantry units, not only within a single division but among other divisions as well. At the small-unit level, this made the development of the teamwork and esprit so important to the success of the tank-infantry team almost impossible. Because of their independent existence, GHQ tank battalions lacked proper care and support. Outside of a regular division's personnel and supply channels, GHQ tank battalions suffered from lack of crew replacements, supplies, and spare parts. Unfortunately, GHQ tank battalions were often indifferently commanded, the best armor officers being chosen to command tank battalions within armored divisions. The problem of GHQ tank battalions was a sore one and accompanied the U.S. Army to the French mainland.

>>221190829
Don't know about separate tank battalions but their regular regiments in their divisions did fine and won.

The longest day will always be the best WW2 kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elwNOiCaRIs

>>221190915
based

for me, it's the british glider troops at the beginning

>>221190949
It's crazy how both Sean Connery and John Wayne were in the same movie

>>221191038
This movie had so much SOVL it's unreal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go6CJ0JVOUc

>>221191038
>>221191047
it was a different time

these days we'd get timothy chalamet and the gay kid from spiderman

>>221191066
Probably as the young kids led by some grizzled vet always played by Alan Ritchson