>>221198152
He thought Snape was his agent infiltrated in Dumbledore's circle.

>>221198152
Kek he really is terrorizing his other followers while Snape is showing up late

>>221198177
He didn't even give him any good info

>>221198152
Snape is more competent than the others

>>221198301
gave enough, that's what double agents do
and snape was a master at whatever they called cloaking your mind is that he tried to teach harry in order of the phoenix

>>221198350
See >>221198301

>>221198393
>he tried to teach harry in order of the phoenix
Did Harry just suck at this or was the connection between them too strong or something. He basically sucks at everything besides the patronus and expelliarmus

>>221198428
harry is too impulsive, too hot headed and lacks disciprine
snape is always in control

>>221198428
Both but tbf Harry was a hormonal teenager and he was under enormous stress. My impression of Harry was that was was a competent duelist, expert broom user, and fairly unremarkable with everything else

>>221198476
That's pretty much what Harry is. He's great at flying (athletics in general maybe) and combat (quick thinking on his feet type of stuff). But when stuff requires carefully thought out planning or concentration he's generally not that good.

>>221198301
He smuggled Death Eaters into Hogwarts and killed Dumbledore

>>221198560
On Dumbledore's orders.

>>221198152
All the others are tards who require constant micromanaging, may as well free up a bit of time by letting the one competent guy manage himself

>>221198428
Harry and Snape hated each other and the lessons were never going to work out because of that, with Dumbledore even admitting that it was a dumb mistake on his part to have arranged them as he was (naively) optimistic that Harry and Snape might look past how much they despised each other to work together successfully.

>>221198773
Yes, and it helped him keep his cover as a double agent

>>221198301
He’s the one that gave the info about when they were moving Harry in movie/book 7

>>221199023
And they even fed that other death eater wrong intel so Snape could be
>look at this fucking idiot. I'm the one who brings you correct info

>>221198152
As far as Voldemort is concerned Snape took out Dumbledore, runs Hogwarts according to his wishes and provides good info on where Harry is, plus he thinks Snape hates Harry. Guy was so incredible usefully Voldemort was actually sorry for killing him and didn't believe Harry when straight up told him he got duped

>>221198152
Do you think Snape would beat the other death eaters in a duel?

>>221198560
Draco Mouth boy did

>>221199360
Didn't Snape have to tell him first?

>>221199278
>he thinks Snape hates Harry
Based Chudcel Snape actually hated Harry

>>221199368
snape warned dumbledore, dumbledore told snape to help him and when the time came, to be the one to kill him, dumbledore was dying anyway because of the ring

>>221199429
Harry should've just killed him at that point

>>221199467
couldn't, other horcruxes to be found before dealing the final blow

>>221199350
No he was the nerdy bullied kid

>>221199524
only at school
after that he was better than most

>>221198393
> snape was a master at whatever they called cloaking your mind
Yet Harry barged in there and saw all his most humiliating secrets, something the great Voldemort could never do. Was Harry that talented?

>>221199597
Harry is a master at protego.

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>>221198152
>literally
>let's

>>221199539
Most not all

>>221199597
illiterate of just retarded?

>>221199609
Don't even remember him doing this. Stupify maybe

>>221199934
snape was casting legilimens spells on harry that he was supposed to resist mentally
at some point harry casts protego at the same time and the legilimens spells hits back at snape was caught of guard, that's how harry was able to see that his father was snape's bully

>>221198152
if snape is now black but voldamort isnt how are they going to push the racism narrative?
>muh 'purebloods' and hello there our darkie friend, welcome back to the evil racist council

Never read the books but I’m confused why Voldemort killed Snape to gain the elder wand?

He was a powerful “loyal” follower from his POV and you only need to “defeat” whoever owns the elder wand, not kill them. Was it just for the sake of being evil?

>>221200247
Voldemort thought you needed to kill the last owner to "defeat" him because he was le evil.

>>221200007
>voldamort

>>221198152
Voldy was incompetent

>>221200007
It's like during WW2 when the Japanese were viewed as the highest quality Asian. He's still a wizard(halfblood though)

>>221200329
Voldemort was completely correct about that, he just got the chain of succession wrong.
Wand ownership lore was a really shit idea that felt completely out of place in a series that otherwise had extremely few rules about how magic worked.

>>221199966
Snape was caught off guard because students shouldn't attack teachers

>>221200664
protego is a defense spell

>>221200683
>He dindu nuffin
>Da spell rebounded by etself
He should've have resisted

>>221200803
he did :)

>>221200803
Kek

>>221200654
>Voldemort was completely correct about that
no he wasn't
draco disarmed dumbledore
harry disarmed draco and therefore was the true master of the wand
when snape killed dumblredore, it didn't matter
voldy killed snape because the wand wasn't responding like he wanted and even then nothing changed because harry was the master all along

>>221200803
I knew Rowling meant Harry had jet black skin and not just hair

>>221200895
and when harry got the master wand, he repaired his own broken wand then broke the master wand in half

>>221199221
this

>>221200683
Karmelo Anthony said the same thing but he'll be in Azkaban for 30 years

>>221200937
Karmelo used a forbidden spell, there was no self defense.

>>221198152
Voldemort sneaks a death eater into hogwarts who drinks the pollyjuice potion to look like a teacher (and somehow none of the hogwarts staff suspect one day this could happen), and then hopes Harry will win the hardest tournament in the wizard world so he can touch the cup which was magically turned into a teleportation device by the disguised death eater instead of turning harry's toothbrush or any other item he uses daily into the teleport device

>>221200956
He was surrounded by 30 dark wizards. He had no choice

better question is what good did having Snape as a double-agent do for Dumbledore/the order?

>>221201029
all unarmed and non threatening
he was told to leave, he went to retrieve his wand and killed and unarmed wizard
he deserve to be raped by dementors

>>221201086
While he gave Voldemort the correct info on when Harry was being moved in the 7th book/movie he also came up with the plan of the seven Harrys but made it look like it was someone else's idea. So he could give Voldemort correct info but still withhold important stuff from him which resulted in Harry having a higher chance of survival.

>>221201000
The cup was already a teleportation device. He just changed the initial location. Which is presumably much easier.

>>221201086
Voldy was at the height of his power back then, an existential threat and so were his agent. Neville's parents were tortured by Bellatrix, Harry's parents were killed inside their own home and without plot armor, little Harry would have been killed as well.

>>221199966
Why don't they just use that spell all the time? I guess that goes for half the stuff in these stories.

Why didn’t Voldemort just apostate a horse’s into the voyager probe
Was he stupid?

>>221201000
Wizards don't even wipe their own ass, you think they brush their teeth?
No, the triwizard cup was the ONLY way.

>>221198152
It's explained in the second chapter of book 6 how Snape won Voldemort's trust. Also it's heavily implied that Dumbledore sacrifice Order-member Emmeline Vance in order to keep Snape's cover intact.

>>221198152
voldy was constantly testing his death eaters loyalty. loyalty to him is like loving hugs that he never got as a kid.

>>221201095
Next you'll say those centaurs did no harm to unbridged since they were unarmed. Magical THUGS

>>221201086
It was written by a Woman
Any plot holes
“Wo man”

>>221201086
They got a potions teacher for a couple years

>>221201228
Based, I'll hug moldy voldy

>>221199597
He got caught off-guard. It's like if you were teaching grappling to a white belt and they sucker punched you out of nowhere

>>221201247
This was a big thing I noticed at that moment too. Those centaurs quite literally immediately took a kill shot at her and then when SHE put herself between the three kids and the centaurs she somehow became the bad person.

>>221200489
yeah? voldamort aka tim riddle, the lizard dude

>>221201733
Centaurs are the usual suspects

>>221201247
god i want to be raped by a pack of centaurs

>>221202224
It would be extremely painful.

>>221202224
Umbridged gave birth shortly after OOTP

>>221201129
but what did that accomplish other than getting moody killed, hedwig killed, and george maimed?
>>221201138
having snape as his agent did nothing to stop that thoughever

>>221203398
>but what did that accomplish...?
not getting Harry killed?

>>221202247
For them.

>>221201247
>>221202224
>>221202925
I hope Kiera Knightly plays Umbrage in the remake show like she does in the audiobook.

>>221201145
It is established at one point that Protego only works against weak jinxes, basically the type of stuff that students could cast. Stuff like the Unforgivable spells go right through it.

But yeah, it's still true that the world is littered with plot holes caused by JKR not thinking through the implications of her world. Like why don't people use Time Turners or that luck potion all the fucking time in life-or-death situations.

>>221202247
For who?

>>221203410
they could have just as easily done that by not leaking the date the move would happen

>>221204167
Based. They have more time to expand in the rape of umbridge
>>221205006
>>221203410
They wanted Moody killed

>>221198773
Well Voldemort didn't know that.

>>221198552
I actually greatly appreciated that Rowling didn't make Harry very powerful. He's almost completely mundane, barring his exceptional flying skills. And I guess it can be said that he's very courageous. I get sick of every "chosen one" story having some asspull super powers that the hero discovers.

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>>221205599
He's also the best at the Patronus spell and at having literal asspull reasons why Voldemort never kills him (love, Dragonball Z beam-battles because the wands are not right or something.)

>>221200007
Death eaters only care about wizard blood.

And we know their are African Wizards

>>221205599
Le heckin chosen one

>>221205731
Yet Snape and Voldy were half blood mutts

why did they let all those voldy loyalist go back to teaching school and working for the govt and shit?

>>221206612
I was under the imperious curse when I spent 4 weeks ravaging those mudblood girls anon. I'm fine to work a desk job still

>>221198152
Snape is canonically black, so he doesn't want to appear racist.

>>221199350
Most of them, yes. Bellatrix is the interesting question.

>>221206903
Bellatrix lost to a dinner lady

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>>221200654
> Wand ownership lore was a really shit idea
It’s just this one extra-special wand thoughbeit

>>221199966
>harry was able to see that his father was snape's bully

This always bothered me, he knew his dad was a dick to Snape and he didn't sympathize at all. Just kept hating him. Like father like son.

>>221200912
That's when Harrys wand became the Elder wand.

>>221207604
>oh no, my dad was a dick to this asshole who's been a dick to me for no reason since the first time we met even though I was a little kid and he was my teacher
Realistically most people would be like "fuck yeah" and "oh so that's why that guy is a fucking loser asshole who likes to pick on kids".
Snape would've remained one of the bad guys if he had gotten over his oneitis. Dumbledore coerced him into snitching on the magic Nazis with whom Snape is ideologically aligned with. For some reason this makes Harry name his fucking son after him lol.

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>>221206711
Makes sense

>>221208267
>>221207097
Seems pretty normal in here, low IQ anon

>>221199350
None of the death eaters really seemed threatening in a 1 v 1. Snape probably wipes the floor with all of them

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>>221208267
What did he mean by this?

>>221200007
Voldemort and Snape were both half-bloods anyway.

>>221200654
>Wand ownership lore was a really shit idea that felt completely out of place
Definitely felt shorhorned at the last hour wirh 0 foreshadowing.

>>221198428
>Did Harry just suck at this or was the connection between them too strong or something. He basically sucks at everything besides the patronus and expelliarmus
Harry is every bit the lazy, arrogant mouthy kid that Snape says he is, though snape obviously believes that marks him out for expulsion. The laziness is what keeps him from learning occlumency and giving rowling credit it is a consistent character trait. She ain't the best writer but she kept all the characters coherent except maybe the ill-defined death eaters who are evil and stupid because otherwise they'd win.

>>221198152
J.K Rowling is a shit writer.

>>221208469
Not quite true. Olivander talks about it in the first book. The wand chooses the wizard

>>221208425
Book death eaters seemed more scary

>>221208267
>>221207097
>Anon said calmly

>>221208614
Voldemort trusts Snape as a wizard near his level who’s extremely gifted, and he pretended to be a triple agent. He was able to maintain his cover from Voldemort, who regularly read everyone’s mind, because he legitimately despised Harry, so no one would ever think he was working to protect him.

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>>221208469
So did the Deathly Hallows, at least in the book. The last book kinda sucked. There already was an established fetch quest with the Horcruxes and then she just added another one on top because it's a new book and there always had to be a new gimmick.
They were kind of nothingburgers too. Ok, Harry already has one (mid-tier magical object), one is just a gigawand, and the Resurrection Stone does nothing really. There's already ghosts around, and the Stone produces temporary versions of them.
Why didn't Dumbledore btfo Voldemort anyway if he already had the super wand? I googled it and he didn't want to because Voldemort had his horcruxes around and because Harry would have to do it.

>>221207604
>oh no, my dad who died to protect me bullied the Hitlerjugend who then bullied me since I was 11 when he was three times my age boo hoo maybe I should start learning dark magic he's literally me
Fuck Snape and JKR's sudden boner for him. Had to make everyone look worse for muh morally grey anti-hero. Did Harry ever find out the guy he named his kid after sold him and his dad to Voldemort and asked for his mum as some sort of fucked up war prize?

>>221208954
>asked for his mum as some sort of fucked up war prize?
He didn’t do that, he just asked Voldy to not kill her

>>221208740
>Why didn't Dumbledore btfo Voldemort anyway if he already had the super wand?
By that point he knew Harry was a Horcrux and that Harry already had one of the Hallows (and he could gift him the other two). So instead blasting Voldy and just setting him back he set it up so that Harry could do the job for good.

>>221208620
I'll give you that, but the whole "changes allegiance" came out of nowhere. It would have been better if that applied solely to the Elder Wand.

It's kinda cool that you guys still know so much about this. I'm on the third book. Shit is comfy, I get why it was so popular now. Have a pity bump.

>>221208734
>Voldemort trusts Snape as a wizard near his level
He was a weak bullied kid with no feats

>>221209744
the bumpslave pedonigger uses AI for everything in these threads lol

>>221209784
He was a good wizard.

>>221209784
broomless flight
occlumency
best potion master
etc

>>221209784
He had extensive knowledge of curses as a first year and created multiple spells on his own, on top of being a potions prodigy.
>feats
This isn’t a shonen

>>221209825
>>221209875
Why was he better than any death eaters?

>>221209865
>Not a duel
>Not a duel
>Not a duel
>Etc

>>221209952
voldemort not being able to read his mind is sort of a duel victory

also you don't know what he was up to when he was a death eater

>>221209929
Death Eaters aren’t generally anything special. Barty Jr might have been smart, but he was locked in prison, and Bellatrix might be a better combatant than Snape even if she’s less book smart than him.

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>>221209815
Now this is some good schizoing.

>>221210071
Kek

>>221210008
Bellatrix lost to a housewife

>>221208524
>except maybe the ill-defined death eaters who are evil and stupid because otherwise they'd wi
To be fair, most of the adults in the magical world seemed incompetent, so it's not surprising that one subgroup is full of useless retards

>>221198152
I always assumed that Snape was one of the few that Voldemort saw as similar to himself and that he kind of despises the rich purebloods even if they’re his biggest supporters
Like the whole spell with Lily’s sacrifice worked because Voldemort was genuine in his offer to spare her
So he lets Snape have somewhat free reign but didn’t really hesitate to kill him when he thought he needed to

>Bellatrix
She was just a sadist. Nothing implies she was anything noteworthy. I don't think she had any successful 1 v 1. Could be wrong though.

Why didn't Voldemort just try to kill baby Harry with a knife?

>>221199350
He's called the Half Blood Prince for a reason

>>221211444
The specific circumstances that came together to protect Harry were so coincidental that no one could have guessed it would even happen. He was wildly insecure about being a half-blood, he would never not use magic. He also really liked using Avada Kedavra, the movies actually downplay how much he spams it.

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>>221211444
Why didn't every wizard faction use their unlimited instant teleportation skill to steal nukes and place them wherever they wanted? Why didn't they use the Imperius Curse on two guys and then force both of them to cast imperio on two other guys etc. until most of the planet is infected in a day?

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>>221200654
Of course it was a shit idea.

>>221206980
Bellatrix made the mistake of not taking Molly seriously enough, mimicking what happened to Sirius. With Snape, she’d probably lock in. She despised him for a long time, and was insanely envious when he turned up again, having not been punished in any way, and immediately seemed to reassume the position of right hand man to Voldemort.

It would be an interesting match up of raw offensive power vs calm precision. The book makes it clear that Bellatrix is a cut above every other Death Eater. When Dumbledore turns up during the battle of the department of mysteries, he instantly captures every single Death Eater except Bellatrix, who alone deflects his spell.

Snape probably still wins. Book Snape is equal to Mcgonagall while only she is duelling to kill, then he briefly successfully fights a defensive fight against her, Flitwick (that’s a big deal) and Sprout (not really a big deal, but she is another fully competent threat). Generally, Snape sits comfortably in his own tier, below Dumbledore and Voldemort, and above everyone else. But there are a few people at the top of the tier just below who could threaten him, and Bellatrix is definitely one of them.

>>221211614
HBO hired this guy

>>221198152
Its' written by a CIS woman, of course its' dumb.

>>221210643
>To be fair, most of the adults in the magical world seemed incompetent, so it's not surprising that one subgroup is full of useless retards
Oh I agree with you but honestly the Death Eaters are startlingly incompetent for their capabilities. Bellatrix for example torturing two people to insanity instead of... buying a truth serum. "But she loves causing pain" is a really stupid excuse for her to be incredibly stupid when her master that she loves might be in danger, all of the Death Eaters that join from the ministry who knew processes and how to work the government just stop knowing that after rowling stops focusing on those particular details, they left all of Harry's very obvious allies quite alive and well : because.
Yknow it's a kids book but there are limits to the believability for your villains to be incompetent.
She really is a bad writer.

>>221211614
The characters all believe the Wizarding world is better than the Muggle world (because they're delusional fucks) so there was no desire to really change anything.

>>221209744
>It's kinda cool that you guys still know so much about this. I'm on the third book. Shit is comfy, I get why it was so popular now. Have a pity bump.
The world is quite neat and interesting despite rowling's ineptitude.

>>221205006
>they could have just as easily done that by not leaking the date the move would happen
then Snape would come off as a shitty spy in the eyes of Voldemort. The whole point of it is getting Voldemort to trust Snape over pretty much any other death eater

>>221198152
>be Snape
>trusted almost unconditionally by Voldemort
>gets Dumbledore's job

>be Malfoy
>gets to host Voldemort as a house guest
>wormtail the slimy incel too, since he's the Voldemorts valet
>random people get murdered in your house
>nagini leaves long trails of snake poop everywhere
>no house elf so wife becomes a jannie
>no piece of mind as your house is now the Death Eater HQ

No wonder the Malfoys betray the death eaterslater

>>221209929
I don't think it's really possible to do a power ranking of the Death Eaters based on the books. Whenever we see the Death Eaters in a combat situation, they're either standing and waiting for Voldemort to kill Harry, or they're in a big chaotic group duel with mostly Hogwarts students and few details are mentioned.

There are a couple of hints that Snape might be a good duelist and powerful wizard, he invented several Dark spells, was always jinxing James, and it might even be significant that he co-ran the dueling club with Lockhart. But there's no indication in the books how Snape stacks up to other Death Eaters. I think the only Death Eater really mentioned to be especially dangerous is named something like Dolohov, and it seems like a lot of the danger is that he just constantly flings around curses at random.

>>221209929
>Why was he better than any death eaters?
Think about Snape specialized in potions, he was the groups hookup. You think Voldemort was gonna just drop his hookup for wizard drugs?

>>221198152
In the book Snape tells him that it's because Dumbledore was watching him and he was scared to run and wanted to trick him into thinking he was loyal to him. He's also a master at Occulemency (the thing he was teaching Harry so Voldemort couldn't get into his head in movie 5) and Voldemort is under the impression he's the greatest legitimancer in the world so he doesn't believe Snape could be skilled enough to hide his thoughts from him.

>>221198152
>>221198867
Also all the other ones are rich pure bloods that Voldemort wants stuff from and is afraid of being rejected by so he goes above and beyond to make sure they're afraid of him and under his thumb but Snape's just a poor halfblood that's exceptionally talented and dedicated like he is so he's more chill about him even though he would kill him in a second if he had to

>>221199966
Never happens in the books by the way, harry sees that stuff in the pensieve

>>221205599
It's actually a frequent plot point that everyone thinks of harry as some super powerful and unique wizard whereas he knows (and by extent the reader does since the books are harry pov) that he's just a dumb jock that freaky shit happens to

>>221198152
I don't remember if it's touched on in the movies but Voldemort has a latent ability where he can tell if someone is lying
Snape can get around it. Voldemort doesn't know this is possible so to him he likely thought he was busy behind enemy lines yet still loyal.

>>221198350
It also really helps that Snape shares Voldemorts beliefs.
He just loved Lily so much he switched sides.

>>221199350
Yes because he's a master legillimencer and skilled at nonverbal spells so he would know what they were going to cast before they did and throw curses at them they can't anticipate (on top of having invented his own spells like sectum sempra that only he knows and they couldn't know how to defend against) the only wild cards are Bellatrix for being crazy and a virtuoso duelist who what heavily relies on unblockable unforgivable curses like the Crusiartus and Avada Kedavra, and possibly the Carrows for also being crazy and willing to cast kamikaze level spells.
That being said if they ganged up on him he might still be screwed
>>221200247
Snape lied and said he disarmed Dumbledore because Malfoy was throwing up crying saying he didn't mean it and that he made a mistake so Snape told him to just shut up and let him take the blame for everything (secretly so Voldemort would trust him even more by thinking he disarmed and killed Dumbledore) so Voldemort thought Snape was the master of the elder wand when it was actually Malfoy. Harry then grabs Malfoys wand when there running from the fiendfyre in the room of requirement which made him the master of the elder wand which is why the Avada Kedavra backfired when Voldemort tried to attack him with the wand
>>221205719
I wouldn't say that. The Patronus is an advanced charm but it's just but commonly taught. All the other kids pick it up rather quick and Harry can't even do the talking thing with it
>>221206612
They said they were brainwashed and were really rich
>>221207255
It works for other wands, too, but you have to physically disarm them with your hands during a duel for it to work. The elder wand you just have to use act disarming spell because you get such a buff against all attacks to start with

Hermione is considered a genius because she has a 4th grade education lol. Same for Voldemort

>>221207604
In the book they spend a lot of time comparing Draco to Snape and Dumbledore says he and Harry's dad had a similar relationship to him and Malfoy so you're meant to think that Snape was his Dad's bully with that being a shocking reveal. In the book Harry is actually pretty shook up about it and even gives Sirius and Moody kind of a what the heck talk about it but then all the stuff with Voldemort coming back happens and he spends most of book six doing espionage so he doesn't get a chance to address Snape until he kills Dumbledore after which he decides Snape's just evil.
>>221208425
They were more menacing in the book. During the battle at the Department of Mystery Dumbledore's Army couldn't barely even get a spell in between their attacks

>>221208954
Yeah Snape shows him that memory as he dies and Harry starts crying and suddenly understands him as a kindred spirit afterwards LMAO
Truthfully, Snape is based off a teacher that used to scold JK Rowling and probably cane her in grade school so she's had a huge crush on him ever since

>>221209744
Book four is quite a treat. We were robbed.

>>221209865
Voldemort can fly, Snape can't
>>221210444
That's like when a mom lifts a car over her head to save her kid

you will be gutted soon

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>>221212491
>Harry then grabs Malfoys wand when there running from the fiendfyre in the room of requirement which made him the master of the elder wand which is why the Avada Kedavra backfired when Voldemort tried to attack him with the wand
What a great ending.

>>221211613
> You can screw it up if you don't concentrate enough and teleport your organs outside your body. This happens to Ron and he almost dies
> Nukes aren't real
> Imperstus is like a marionette spell, you have to pull someone's strings and control them the whole time. I don't know if you can use it on more then one person at a time.
> A lot of people can resist that curse if they're willful enough
> The unforgivable curses require extreme emotional concentration I don't think you can magically influence someone into casting them

>>221212491
>>221212610
That's not how it happened. Harry wrestles Draco's wand away while being held at Malfoy manor and becomes the master of the elder wand. Harry uses Draco's wand for the rest of the book until he gets the elder wand to fix his old wand.
Draco was using his mom's wand during the fight in the room of requirement.

Not much different thematically, but whatever.

>>221212610
Anon up there got it wrong, he disarmed Malfoy at Malfoy manor when they escaped the basement. The reason that this all works out against Voldemort is that 99% of wizards don't understand their own wands at all (because rowling is a hack) and Voldemort doesn't know that wands change allegiance when forcibly removed from their owner because wandmakers never tell anyone any of this shit that could get them killed by randomly using a legendary wand that passes from owner to owner by disarming them.
If that sounds contrived it's because it is!

if any of you had ever been a manager in a business that employs retards you'd understand

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>>221212636
The first three lines are obviously false in both movie and book universes.
They teleport without effort all the time, and people under the influence (or suspected to be under the influence) of the Imperius Curse successfully worked as politicians, bureaucrats, and as secret police.
Even if 1-10% of the time the teleportation fails, it's still a military tactic that is never used properly. Time and space would lose its meaning.

>>221211613
Why didn't Harry use polyjuice potion to become Hermione and spend the day eagerly flicking her bean and playing with her body?

It's a shame the movies don't make Dumbledore as OP as he is in the books. He turns up at the Ministry and captures every Death Eater immediately with one spell. He treats the duel with Voldemort almost casually and it's clearer in the book that he wins easily, he even shit talks Voldemort and tells him he could kill him if he wanted to, it just wouldn't give him any satisfaction (he also knows it wouldn't be permanent). Aurors threaten to arrest him and he pityingly mocks the idea that they could even TRY and take him, or that any prison could hold him

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>>221198152
Lol

>>221198152
idk the timeline of events and i generally agree HP univers is fuckin dumbly written. but didnt he pass on info and then participated on the raid that led to the orders second in command/second most powerful getting killed, then he proceeded to kill the orders leader? That shit probably gets you plenty of trust

>>221199278
he actually did hate the guy though right? just was super in love with his mom?

>it's revealed that snape could invent brand new spells like sectumsempra
>nobody comments on this and the idea of inventing new spells is never mentioned again
Was snape some kind of 1000IQ ultrawizard

>>221215590
Kinda yeah
Keep in mind Harry is a very unimpressive wizard and everything is from his PoV so inventing new spells might just be achievable but difficult and Harry too lazy/stupid to care.

>>221198152
this last minute double agent shit in a magical world was cringe af

>>221216083
Double double agent bro

Why was Snape obsessed with some chick that cucked him

>>221198152
Voldy interrogated snape about this, he felt that snape made a good argument for himself and decided that keeping him would be worth it
I think voldy kinda like snape(as much as a soulless guy like him could) and see a lot of similarity between, hell even getting him killed by nagini probably looks like a mercy to him
>>221200007
>Backstory is that snapes mom was a talented witch, married some rando muggle who abused and browbeat her
They're really gonna explain that in depth especially when they turned him negro
>>221208425
Snape 1v1 with mcgonagall pretty handily who was the clear no.2 in the order and even did a 2v1 when flitwick joined, he will beat the tar out of any death eater, even Bellatrix
>>221215531
Snape is so jaded by his time getting bullied in school that he bought into the house thing, but Harry hold special hatred for him because he looks exactly like his father, the guy that made his school years living hell and the guy he blamed on making the biggest mistake of his life (calling lily a mud blood) and also a living reminder that lily gave her love to someone else.

>>221216422
he grew up poor with an abusive father and an absent mother, seeing lily being so carefree changed him and Lily showed him kindness to him as well. It's conceivable that if he cut off the death eater shit he could've stood a chance with lily

>>221198350
Book readers will remember that even so-called "elite" Death Eaters struggled to capture roughly 6 teenagers running around the Ministry of Magic's equivalent of Area 51 while outnumbering them. The bar is really not that high. Snape is good enough at potions to get hired as a potions teacher and good enough at spells to have written a whole book full of them before graduating. Even fucking Hermione doesn't just write her own spells.

>>221202247
They're big stallions.

>>221205599
I mean, on the one hand Harry is some kind of wizard fight autist who aced Defense Against The Dark Arts and is generally better than average in his year group at casting fighting spells. On the other hand, that's 70% because of Remus Lupin being the best teacher that the school ever had, and Hermione who is a nerd in a series where knowledge is power in the most literal sense of the term is objectively the most dangerous of the trio.

>>221199350
In the books, Snape fought multiple teachers like >>221211656 said and almost all the teachers are stupidly powerful because again, knowing more shit makes you a more powerful wizard. He's up there.

>>221206903
It would be close. Bellatrix was the last Death Eater standing in the final battle and was 3v1ing several other witches like Voldemort with wizards. She also killed Sirius in a duel. I wouldn't want to put money on it but if I had to I'd give it to Snape if he had preptime, and Bella if he didn't. Because we've never seen Snape throw hands but Bella killed Dobby with a thrown knife.

>>221216559
Shut up retard.

>>221216580
No she was hot and nice and he was just a virgin dweeb

>>221216559
Do they even say when Snape return to Voldy. God Voldemort is such a dumb name

>samefagging and necrobumping for one whole day

>>221216602
>Even fucking Hermione doesn't just write her own spells
It's funny how much better the students in Snape' year were than in Harry's year. Snape was so good at potions that he was fixing the textbook with his own innovations, and Lily was supposedly better. The marauders all managed to become animorphs, including the dunce of the year, Pettigrew, and moreover they enchanted a map to track every person in the school. Also, Snape - and I think maybe some of the others - were inventing their own spells.
Meanwhile, the best achievements in Harry's year were following instructions to mix a potion, Hermione getting good grades, Harry spamming expelliarmus, and Draco fixing a closet.

>>221216659
>Remus Lupin being the best teacher that the school ever had
lol he wasn't even the best DADA teacher Harry had. Barty Crouch was easily better.

>>221217671
you're completely forgetting the actual best wizards of that era: Fred and George

They invented a shitload of new spells and magical gadgets up to and including a Mass Swampify spell so complex a whole team of Ministry wizards couldn't undo it

>>221212063
>it seems like a lot of the danger is that he just constantly flings around curses at random
So like every other death eater? lol

>>221211899
the point i'm making is having voldemort trust snape had zero benefit
>one of the best order members was killed
>another was seriously maimed
>harry's pet was killed
and for what?

>>221212063
>was always jinxing James
isn't the big deal with the James/Lily/Snape dynamic that James always wins his encounters with Snape?

>>221203398
Snape passed a message along to The Order that Harry and Co were in trouble and that shit was going down in the ministry’s prophecy room in book/movie 5. If The Order hadn’t shown up Harry and his friends would probably have perished.

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*voldemort does a bunch of flashy wizardy shit*
*ridcully shoots him with a crossbow
heh, nothing personnel mudblood

that didn't come from voldemort intel. that came from umbridge interrogating harry

also the whole reason any of that happened is because snape was a cuck and couldn't teach harry properly

>>221198152
The only reason Snape isn't on Voldemort's side is that Voldemort killed Lily. In every way, Snape is the ideal death eater, except for that tiny little fact that Snape wanted and loved in his own way Lily, so it was impossible for Voldemort to figure out that much of Snape's hatred and resentment was actually directed towards himself for Lily's death. Because Voldemort doesn't understand love or attachment.
Snape is not a hero, not even an anti-hero, he is a despicable evil son of a bitch (literally and figuratively), and had it not been for Voldemort killing Lily, he would have been loyal to the end. Snape is cruel, resentful, jealous, merciless and has no regard for other people's pain or misery.

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>>221200007
Debra Wilson will play Voldemort.

>>221218016
Yeah, true.

>>221218232
that's the thing though, Voldemort doesn't open up by doing a bunch of flashy wizard things

he opens up with his instant kill spell and if you can avoid that one congrats you've earned yourself the right to a duel

>>221206711
sallow skin, faggot

voldemort is the most powerful legillemens in history
snake is the most powerful occulumens in history
voldemort believed the strongest legillemens could easily overcome the strongest occulumens
he was fooled

>>221206711
>his face suddenly took on the color of sour milk
how fucking sour does milk have to get before it becomes negro

>>221218286
Snape is a good guy and one of the bravest people Harry ever met. This is propaganda

>>221218286
>Snape is the ideal death eater,
He's a half blood mutt. He should be left alive but the bottom of wizard society

>>221215590
>>it's revealed that snape could invent brand new spells like sectumsempra
>>nobody comments on this and the idea of inventing new spells is never mentioned again
>Was snape some kind of 1000IQ ultrawizard
They do comment on it when Harry asks Sirius and Lupin about the memory. They say those sorts of spells go in and out of fashion, Snape isn't the only one who does it we just don't really see any examples besides Dumbledore who is mentioned as having quite a few "personal" spells such as what he applied to the Deluminator.
Consistent with Hermione could definitely make her own spells but she's far too prissy to not follow the rules and Harry is too lazy. Something a good writer would've given to Ron to make him more unique among the cast or hell Luna since that would make sense.

>>221218900
Completely unearned ability on Snapes part. Hack writing

>>221212063
Dolohov casts the coolest spell in the book and it doesn’t even have a name. Just some non verbal purple fire that burns your internal organs and instadunks Hermione

>>221219503
he was placed in slytherin only the most naturally gifted get in there

>>221219612
Sounds sick, I don't even remember this

>>221220370
Smitherins are ambitious

>>221200247
>Never read the books but I’m confused why Voldemort killed Snape to gain the elder wand?
it's been a good while since i last read the books, so feel free to correct me if i'm mistaken, but i think after snape gave him the wand voldemort couldn't use it to its full potential and he decided that maybe killing snape would be the answer, since you had to "defeat" the previous owner to become the new master.

>>221216559
>hell even getting him killed by nagini probably looks like a mercy to him
He doesn't care. It would be impractical to kill someone with the wand you think is loyal to them

>>221220669
It’s in the 5th book when the students and Death Eaters fight, Hermione mutes his ability to speak so he blasts her non verbally

>>221198152
Alphas often let small cock beta cucks roam the harem Becuase they are already mentally broken.

>>221199350
What abilities do they have? I guess dark magic and forbidden spells? But they weren't as powerful as Grindelwald was so what's even the point of joining them? Just so you can do the magic equivalent of saying the nigger-word?

>>221218286
Nah. Snapes alright. The problem is he had a rough childhood and fell in with the wrong crowd. He just parrots their beliefs and lashes out at Lilly when he's getting picked on by Sirius and James who are similarly talented but popular because they're not in slytherin. One of the only things that Dumbledore says that unnerves him is when he casually mentions to Snape that sometimes he thinks they sort too soon. Meaning snapes future was almost decided for him by joining the wrong house

>>221221990
Which fits in nicely with the overarching theme of the series of prophecy vs self determination. Dumbledore drills into Harry when giving him lessons in the 6th book that's its his choices that will define him, not the prophecy, which is ambiguous as to if it refers to Harry or Neville and not all prophecies come true, but voldemort is still obsessed with it.

>>221199350
No

>>221198152
Snape was a no good CHUD

>>221198201
He had just killed Dumbledore. Also, noticed that Voldemort just murdered a Hogwarts teacher, one of Snape's colleagues, someone he knew. It was a test for him and he passed the test.

>>221198428
In the book, it was clear that not only Snape was a terrible teacher of Occlumency (he wasn't very specific of the directions), but considering the fact this was a type of magic that needed the wizard to be calm and in control, Snape was the worst possible choice. Harry was able to do a Patronus because Lupin was a gentle soul guiding him.

>>221200247
He thought simply that because Snape killed Dumbledore, he disarmed him.
He didn't see or know that Malfoy disarmed DD, then Harry disarmed Malfoy. Snape had vowed to protect Malfoy, so he couldn't tell Voldemort that either.

>>221199350
>Do you think Snape would beat the other death eaters in a duel?
Everyone but Bellatrix is implied to be pretty meh as voldy's stooges go, so he probably beats out everyone but her.

>>221208524
>Harry is every bit the lazy, arrogant mouthy kid that Snape says he is
No, he's not. He's only sassy with Snape, because Snape is a bully who's venting his frustrations on the students.
Remember that when Snape is telling Dumbledore precisely this, he says that all the teachers say all the opposite. He's a bit lazy, but he's not arrogant at all.
Harry is lazy but he's naturally gifted like his parents, who were more driven to study. Snape was a nerd who hated both James and Harry for achieving naturally what he need effort to obtain.

>>221223251
>He thought simply that because Snape killed Dumbledore, he disarmed him.
>He didn't see or know that Malfoy disarmed DD, then Harry disarmed Malfoy. Snape had vowed to protect Malfoy, so he couldn't tell Voldemort that either.
It never occurred to Voldemort that you could gain the wand except by murder so he never thought that Draco disarming Dumbeldore mattered. Voldemort ignores things that don't fit his worldview like most fascists.

>>221223311
>No, he's not. He's only sassy with Snape, because Snape is a bully who's venting his frustrations on the students.
>Remember that when Snape is telling Dumbledore precisely this, he says that all the teachers say all the opposite. He's a bit lazy, but he's not arrogant at all.
>Harry is lazy but he's naturally gifted like his parents, who were more driven to study. Snape was a nerd who hated both James and Harry for achieving naturally what he need effort to obtain.
>ignores all of the times harry breaks the rules simply out of convenience, ignores all the times he literally steals, lies, fucks with people for fun.
>ignores the entirety of book 5
>ignores how often he just doesn't do homework but sucks at the classwork that's not defense against the dark arts
Yeah no snape was definitely right.

>>221198152
>DEHHH HARRY POTTER LOOK AT ME, I'M THE BAD GUY
the movies are overrated

>>221218100
>and for what?
To protect Harry. That's what it's all about, and everyone who participated in the operation knew that going in. The fact that they're all okay with putting their own lives at risk to protect him is a huge guilt-trip for him, and Voldemort knows it, which is why he uses that to draw Harry out in the last chapters.

>Bellatrix who jobbed to Molly Weasley
>good duelist
Lol, lmao even

>>221223456
HBO will fix this
>>221223542
Molly is a member of the order of the phoenix. I don’t remember if it was ever elaborated on but they’d all be decent fighters. Bellatrix was personally trained by Voldemort and described by Harry as having prodigious skill.

>>221223542
see >>221211656

>>221223542
They didn't like this one anon

>>221223293
>L-ellatrix
Lmao

>>221223326
>Voldemort ignores things that don't fit his worldview
Like Snape(or anyone) being better at occlumency than him at legimency