>>221199284
the returns weren't sufficiently greater than the cost

>>221199284
There's only so many 45-55 year old manchildren in the United States.

It was 20 years too late

people don't care about a shitty 40 year old cartoon that was made only to sell toys

>>221199284
They probably should have put HE-MAN in the title.

people who like he-man are geriatric and don't go to movies much, people who don't know about he-man aren't paying $25 at the kinoplex to find out

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>>221199284
no woke, go broke

>>221199321
they usually die early too, of hot pocket related injuries

>>221199284
80's crap is on the way out, it's all about 90's crap now.

>>221199284
I heard that the toys are selling like hot cakes though

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>>221199437
I wish the new bayverse project would be a BW movie but then he wouldn't be able to engage in his military fetish

>>221199321
This. True He-man fans are going to be 45 to 60 years old.

And the 35 to 40 year olds only like it for the He ya meme.

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>>221199284
https://www.tiktok.com/@reel.takes/video/7652164760552607006

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>>221199284
because

>>221199284
It was literally just the jokes undercutting the more dramatic or exciting moments. The film would have been a fun romp if they hadn't done that.
Undercutting the film with jokes all the time makes it feel insincere or unsure of itself.

>>221199284
Gay media just isn’t really popular right now, unfortunately.

>>221199284
The actors wouldn't shut up about "toxic masculinity" during the promotion, which gave the impression it was more woke trash.

>>221199284
Nobody gives a shit about He Man. It never had the makings of a varsity franchise.

>>221199573
based

>>221199284

I went to watch this a couple days ago. It was weird. Despite having a super simple plot, the movie's message was confused (is Adam being a sensitive pussy a liability or a strength? The movie makes both claims) and it seemed to be constantly fighting itself. It constantly undermines itself with self-parody and insincerity but in the next scene will expect the viewer to care about some drama beat anyway.

MotU 2026 would be an infinitely better movie if 90% of the self-effacing snark was removed and it simply accepted that its premise is silly and played it totally straight anyway. The movie is most effective when it does that and doesn't constantly apologize for how stupid it is.

>>221199321
this was probably the biggest issue. The franchise had a fairly brief period of popularity and never had a succesful reboot. I think the producers made about as faithful a recreation of the IP as they could, but for anyone new to it, it looks like what it is: an incongruous mash up of fantasy and sci-fi where a barbarian fights a spooky skeleton. It looks dumb because it is dumb, and if you aren't familiar with the source material, its even dumber

>>221199948
>the movie's message was confused (is Adam being a sensitive pussy a liability or a strength? The movie makes both claims) and it seemed to be constantly fighting itself. It constantly undermines itself with self-parody and insincerity but in the next scene will expect the viewer to care about some drama beat anyway.
well kudos to the marketing because that's exactly what the ads made it look like, and why i passed on it

>>221199974
sci fi sword and sorcery is a kino concept on paper, though

>>221199948
opinion dismissed for never having watched the cartoon, He-Man was always a pacifist who would attempt diplomacy before strength. And I said strength, not violence, because he basically never directly attack anyone and mostly used his strength to collapse barriers or create a tornado or some bullshit to knock bad guys over and make them look silly.

>>221200009
On paper, yes. In practice it looks like what the movie looked like, a bunch of toys crashing into each other.

>>221199948
>90% of the self-effacing snark was removed and it simply accepted that its premise is silly and played it totally straight anyway. The movie is most effective when it does that and doesn't constantly apologize for how stupid it is.

I really hope the new Street Fighter movie is unapolegetic about its premise and universe.

>a meglomaniac dicatator fixes underground street fights with people with crazy abilities

>>221200009
Let's not pretend that's what He Man actually is, it's a bunch of gay retarded shit and always has been, it never was true sword and sorcery because the protagonist is a big gay fag who can't even hurt anyone and his sword is more like a magic wand. Even the TMNT used their weapons more even after they took away Mike's nunchucks.

>>221199284
Should have made a movie convincing in its own right instead of going purely for brand recognition and nostalgia.
You know, like, just make a good movie, dude.

>>221199284
He-Man was cringe back in the 80s. If your favorite TV show was a toy commercial, you do not have a personality.

>>221199284
DEI

>>221199284
Nobody knows or cares about the IP and they didn't make up for it by making a based manly movie. It was a pozzed reddit chungus Pedogunn type movie. Plus, them using highlander's theme song was so fucking cringe. YOU CANNOT USE THE THEME SONG OF ANOTHER FRANCHISE. especially whedn Amazon already owns it.

>>221199284
Nobody under the age of 45 cares about He-Man.

>>221200072
>I really hope the new Street Fighter movie is unapolegetic about its premise and universe.

There's about 0% chance of that I'm afraid. The fact that they turned Cammy into Harley Quinn is a big indicator of the way things are going.

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>>221200091
The main reason why anime won is because western action cartoons are the most toothless shit ever. At the same decade when He-man wasn't allowed to slash shit up with his sword Kenshiro was exploding heads every week.

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>>221200114
>>221199573
cope and seethe, chud

Would this movie have made more money as an original IP? It's not like any of the story elements are unique to He-Man.

>>221200210
at least Cammy was allowed to stay pantsless unlike Teela

>>221200159
Snyder lost.

>>221200009

It's kino on screen too. The parts of the movie that work the best are the parts where it simply lets the colourful weirdos brawl. If it was 100% that, it would be solid 9/10 popcorn trash even to people who know nothing about the franchise. The ceaseless postmodern ironic self-flagellation is what ruins it, as soon as the movie gets momentum it has to stop and go "wow, this is stupid, this movie is dumb, right, guys?" Yeah we know it's dumb, stop bringing it up you fucking party pooping bitch.

>>221199284
>Black washing Man At Arms
>He/Him
>Competition from the Michael Jackson movie, Obsession, and soon Toy Story 5.
>Appeals only to 40 and 50 year old fan boys

>>221200111
Says the guy using cringe as an adjective like a fucking mongrel.

>>221200224
>cope and seethe, chud
He-Man is the one coping and seething. Wokeness is DEAD. We control Hollywood now.

>>221199284
It didn't entice younger audiences. He-Man for whatever reason seems incapable of being multi-generational.

>>221199573
Half this video is just Dean Cain seething. I also find it very hard to believe Alcock won't look substantially worse than Cain does now when she's 60.

He-Man is a property for 40-50 year old man-children and it's never successfully gotten a younger audience. Transformers did with the Bay movies, TMNT did with newer cartoons but He-Man isn't cared about by literally anyone under the bare minimum of 40, and the name isn't so big/prestigious like a Ghostbusters or something where you can maybe pitch it younger, the younger generation only sees the original He-Man cartoon as something they've never heard of, or a toy commercial if they have.

Besides the obvious that Masters of the Universe is a 40 year old IP that failed every attempt to reboot the franchise, it is also outdated dated in the style of film they made. It's essentially another capeshit movie when those have been circling the drain for a while now. It's an action adventure movie full of quipy but not clever humor inbetween CGI slopfest action sequences filmed entirely on massive green screens. It's trying to be a Marvel movie all the way down to having a mid-credits teaser for a sequel that'll never happen.

Not only is it at least 30 years too late for a movie using this IP, it's also 10 years too late for the kind of movie it wants to be.

>>221200549
It wasn't just the Bay movies. Transformers has been om toyshelves consistently since 1984 the original show was on in reruns up to the mid-90s, with a new cartoon coming out every year or so beginning with Beast Wars. He-Man disappeared after New Adventures, tyen had another failed reboot in 2002, then disappeared until the crappy Kevin Smith show twenty years later.

>>221200549
As that other anon pointed out, Transformers was already multi-gen before the 2007 movie.

I'd put Ghostbusters (and GI Joe: RAH) in the same category of not being able to expand beyond its 80s fandom. Those legacy sequels grossed as much as Feig's reboot.

>>221200740
>>221200787
Yeah I oversimplified it and was thinking about my own generation ('98 baby so my "older" kid interest Transformers were the Bay ones) but the point being still He-Man can't move past the 80s. I think the difference with Ghostbusters is that it has prestige and a reputation. Even if younger people aren't going out of there way to see it, the movie is a beloved classic and critically and culturally well-regarded. He-Man isn't outside of nostalgia, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone ever actively seeking out and watching He-Man outside of nostalgia. It has no "prestige" behind it. Despite this, Ghostbusters still flops but I think it at least has a better chance than something like this.

>>221199284
>why did it fail?
i use June as a month to detox myself from capitalism
>i dont go to movies
>i dont spend on electronics
>if any subscription ends that month i do not renew
i just buy essential stuff.
it's also a passive message about how much i hate the existance of faggot month.

>>221200677
Only correct answer ITT

>>221199284
Didn't the director say Skeletor is the embodiment of toxic masculinity? Also, the actress playing Teela said her outfit is not for the male gaze. Accompany that with the He/Him trailer, and people just tapped out.

>>221199284
Nobody cares about he man, it's cape slop in the post cape slop era, it's too normal for polarized society.

>>221199284
The last decade of egregious cash ins have made nostalgia a dirty word, and he-man never managed the 80s staying power that other icons of that decade achieved anyway.
It also had one of the absolute worst bait and switch reboots of all time only a few years ago.

This only had a chance if they were willing to make a completely and unapologetically stupid action movie.

>>221199284
The only thing that is relevant about He-Man past 40 years is HEYYEYAA meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBw3qzf4s18

>>221199624
>fully serious film about a guy in fur panties fighting a gay skeleton
the movie hit exactly the right tone for the source material. it was never a deep IP, it was a 20 minute toy commercial that ended with He Man telling you not to lie and to eat your vegetables

>>221199284
1. It was mediocre
2. Bad timing
3. No actual audience for this crap
4. Film is a dead medium

>>221199284
Gen Xer IP that hasn’t been relevant in decades got far more money to make a movie than it deserved.

>>221200486
Chuds don’t make movies though

>>221199284
This movie could've genuinely been great if they refused to let anything happen after Adam finds the sword. The whole commentary on psychiatrists and his roommates and dates just gaslighting him and his sense of lucidity over his childhood being slowly demolished by working in HR would've been a better movie.

>>221199437
That's only a problem when nostalgia is the main draw to the movie. They should've made a movie that was good on its own with nostalgia being a small factor.

Men are simply fed up of media that tells them that their own masculinity is something that needs to be repressed/subverted/deconstructed or whatever. Even though the movie's message wasn't quite like that it's exactly what the marketing team led the public to expect to be.

Honestly, the only thing that felt sharp in this entire train wreck was my jawline after using Xtreme Man after shave. You guys are arguing over plot holes while I'm just here looking better than that entire production team.

>>221200303
I think you could argue he used it as a noun, technically. the part of speech isn't really clear from the context, but one would assume the adjective form would be "cringy" and thus you would extrapolate it to be a noun in this case.

>>221199284
its a boomer/genx brand
and after years of trauma from DEI woke slop, once we saw the pronouns in the trailer and the race swapped roles it was game over for it
plus the economy isnt flying to good right now, so most people didnt want to risk it
apparently its quite good, i havent had a chance to see it, hopefully it'll still be in theaters this weekend so i can finally watch it

>>221202647
after the shitshow that was the Kevin Smith series the He-man fandom developed a pavlovian reaction to anything remotely woke. Can't say I blame them.

>>221200009
The story is incredibly childish even compared to marvel. He-Man unfortunately doesn’t have the same draw, it’s like hulk but without the more intricate storylines and struggles. If you wanted bland and child-friendly, superman already has that audience in the bag. The only difference is the villains are a bit more complex and the potential for other interesting heroes like JL characters keeps people interested.

>>221201535
The gay community claiming He-Man for themselves probably didn't help.

>>221199321
I was in the target age group for He-Man and had the toys when they were "the big thing".
He-Man was a total flash in the pan and nobody gave a shit about it a year after the toys released because there was much better stuff like Transformers.
There is no real lore behind He-Man, it's just a toy that they made a cheap cartoon out of.

>>221202741
this, also jared fucking leto
like cast any other voice actor

>>221202851
the G.I Joe cartoon was goofy ass shit while the G.I Joe marvel comics was a serious war thriller with some light sci fi elements that is even better when you read it as an adult. I can't see why He-man can't also be taken seriously whitout adding a layer of self-depreciation humor.

>>221202741
>the Kevin Smith series

No one knows what you are talking about.

>>221199284
Too much taint from the atrocious Kevin Smith cartoon.

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>>221200222
it was a toy commercial aimed at 6 year old boys retard
they're not going to have him cutting peoples heads off

>>221199284
Even middle aged people are too young to remember the original show now
And it's too late for the 1980s nostalgia revival phase that hit it's peak a decade or so back

>>221201930
You are somehow worse than any Hollywood writer.

>>221203251
Fist of the North Star is for 6-year-old boys, retard. No one with an adult brain finds dudes guts pointlessly exploding engaging.

>>221203045
>He-Man was a total flash in the pan and nobody gave a shit about it a year after the toys released
What hogwash. He-Man was still well known when I was a kid in the early 90s, more than a decade after the first toy came out. I even had some of the He-Man toys and watched re-runs of the cartoon in like 1993-1994.

>>221203251
>it was a toy commercial
So is gundam
and people die all the time in every gundam series. Sometimes horrifically.

>>221203408
>I grew up poor.

No one cares.

>>221202851

Complex villains are a bad thing. The number one thing MOTU did right was that Skeletor has no motivation at all and in case somehow someone was confused about what his deal is, there's a scene where he literally looks into the camera and says "I'm the villain". That's perfect. That's what I want.

>>221203447
I grew up upper middle class in the midwestern US. Every 90s kid knew who He-Man was, retard

>>221199321
and most were busy with my little pony or wednesday

>>221203408
It was still on television because it was cheap slop but the toys stopped selling long before that. There were like a million channels showing re-runs of cartoons so of course it was on.

https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/the-fall-of-he-man-how-80s-billion-dollar-toy-franchise-met-an-early-death-11591329

I had the fucking toys when they came out, retard.
I'm telling you what happened because I actually lived through it.

>>221204066
The toys pretty much stopped selling when He-man's show ended and he became a guest character on She-ra's show.

>>221200210
>>221200229
Cammy and Chun-Li are both disgusting bug people

>>221199284
Almost nobody cares about Heman. The few that do don't even know this exists and/or don't go to the movies anymore.

>>221202073
It never says this. It ends with He Man punching Skeletor so hard he explodes. The only people who tell him he needs to do anything are his boss telling him to stop looking at swords on the clock, and the Eternian characters telling him he needs to take up his birthright and responsibility by fighting Skeletor and his minions. You might've gotten confused and mad in a way you couldn't articulate when his dying father refused to tell him he was proud of him because he'd never done anything worthy of praise and spent his entire adult life on another plane of existence thinking about swords

>>221199284
>MOTU franchise isn't relevant or popular anymore
>Amazon didn't bother marketing it because they made it for Amazon Prime and don't really care how it performs in movie theaters
I think they'll shill it hard on Amazon Prime and then they will try to make back their money on MOTU merchandise. That's the plan.

the craziest thing about this movie is how Japanese, who apparently didn't actually get MOTU, are watching it now and buying the fucking 80's figures
https://x.com/burningheartsam/status/2067231972909523444?s=20

Kevin Smith said his He-Man show was a huge success
https://youtu.be/1oBvJsudkZs?t=3458

According to Kevin Smith everybody loves He-man

So other than blaming the marketing you cant blame bad word of mouth if nobody showed up on day one to se it

So is it kevin smith's fault

>>221199284
Most millenials are too young to remember He-man and millenials are the only generation who is nostalgic enough to watch a reboot like this.

>>221199284
Wasn't called He-Man
Wasn't marketed as a self-aware comedy

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>>221199284
Powerful John Carter energy.

>>221199284
Too white, it didn't reflect the modern audience. People of color want to see a reflection of themselves on screen.

>>221199284
There was some article about Toxic Masculinity so I just stayed the fuck away from it that weekend.

>>221199284
Sometimes well made movies flop. And it's not a bad thing.
There was no demand for this movie, but the ppl making it clearly had fun with it, also the audience liked it.
Van Helsing and Battleship , Waterworld, all fun movies. This too.

>>221199284
Its a shame it flopped, I enjoyed it

>>221199566
I'm 37 and fondly remember the 2002 reboot.

>>221199948
>is Adam being a sensitive pussy a liability or a strength? The movie makes both claims
I took the message to be that its a strength aspirationally, but that there are also genuinely evil people with whom dialog will fail and a man needs to be strong enough to protect their loved ones with strength of arms when necessary, but only when necessary.

Focusing on adapting the corny Filmation version, and not going for the franchise roots that tried to move away from that version.

>>221200238
Teela is pantsless in the last few scenes of the film, in a flash forward after the climax.

>>221201674
>the movie hit exactly the right tone for the source material.
I disagree, because it felt like a generic MCU movie. A bad one at that.

>>221200295
Casting idris elba isnt blackwashing retard, its casting idris elba.

>>221200035
>opinion dismissed for never having watched the cartoon, He-Man was always a pacifist who would attempt diplomacy before strength
But here it is framed as a modern masculinity bullshit with all the PR bullshit.

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>>221206637
I thought Disney intentionally sunk this one to keep their best animation director stuck in animation? He was trying to branch out into real films and the mouse couldn't permit that.

>>221202647
I recommend it.

>>221199489
Why is Rattrap there twice?

>>221207507
When I was in college one of its screenwriters came and gave a big talk about it and its troubled development. It was pretty interesting. He said it was a victim of a leadership change at the studio, where this was a holdover from the previous boss. So the new boss either wasn't interested in it or didn't understand it. So it was just kind of dumped without more resources being spent on marketing. He also talked about how some marketing guru at the studio insisted that the title couldn't have the word Mars in it because audiences don't go to see movies with Mars in the title (they were still bitter about the flop of Mars need moms in particular). So they came up with the bland title John Carter instead of John Carter of Mars, or John Carter, A Princess of Mars.

Then of course The Martian came out a couple years later and was a massive hit.

I remember someone also asked the question "why did you decide to make the walking city, that's not in the books" and he said that he didn't know because that was already in the script when he was brought onboard.

>>221203375
The story is pretty good

>>221199284
I feel like it could have done better if Kevin Smith's He-Man wasn't ass

Jared Leto might also be a factor but I can't really recognize him in it.

Shame, I actually liked it.

I'm a zillennial that liked the 2002 reboot so my view might also be biased

>>221207511
Mom bought it not realizing they're the same character.

>>221207484
It is blackwashing.
Casting a bunch of brown brazilian actresses also sucked, and i say this as a brown Brazilian. I don't want to see that shit outside of telenovelas.

My theory: too far removed from the original. The franchise needed to exist continuously, but it didn't.

>>221207591
>Jared Leto might also be a factor but I can't really recognize him in it.
I dont think it was a factor but i didnt really like his portrayal. I thought a lot of his lines werent easy to understand what he was even saying. I did like the bit at the end where he goes inside Adam's mind, wish there'd been more like that.

>>221207365
no you dont

>>221207616
>I'm a brown brazilian
Thanks for letting me know you weren't just pretending to be retarded.

>>221207663
What do you mean? That show was cool.

>>221207511
It's a weird image. Multiple characters are in that image multiple times. Cheetor and Primal are there three times. Tigerhawk is on there despite Air Razor and Tigertron being in it. I'd say they wanted to include every form, but Dinobot 2 and Black Aranchia's original form are missing. Maybe just characters who were Maximals by the end of that form.

>>221207670
cope and seethe you brainwashed mongrel

>>221207713
Just stop, fool.

>>221207690
it was fucking gay actually

>>221207789
How so?

>>221199284
You can only reskin Guardians of the Galaxy so many times before people get bored

>>221199284
Its just not that interesting. You've got a guy who transformers into a buffer version of himself when he calls on some mystic power. And there is a skeletal guy who wants to take over his kingdom. Okay. And?

>>221199321
spbp

>series has a hot redhead
>cast a mid latina instead
it deserved to flop

>>221201674
Nah, some of the jokes def should've been cut. Skeletor yelling about the crescendo like it's Austin Powers, the part where they cough on the dust, some of the fisting jokes etc. It was funnier when it was just wacky stuff it went with, like Skeletor pumping iron or being in an HR outfit without trying to wink at you about it.

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>>221199284
I dont think it appealed to foreigners. America market cant justify 200m budgets on its own. Unironically too white.

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>>221205637
the closest thing to He-Man in Japan would be Kinnikuman which also has a colorful cast of diverse musclebound characters and also had a succesful toy brand in the 80s

>>221204735
Read the second sentence again ADHD faggot

>>221208186
Any super gay porno?

>>221208163
"Ram man, give 'em head" got a cuckle out of me though

>>221207883
To be fair you can do this with 99.98% of all films.

>>221208217
>cuckle
Weird typo for sex joke.

>>221199678
>which gave the impression it was more woke trash.

It really wasn't though. They kind of made fun of it.

>>221208163
Skeletor thinking human resources was slave trading was a good joke

I mean, for all the talk the actors did about Skelethor's toxic masculinity, Evilynn seemed to be into being chocked

>>221199284
Didn't protect the lore. Just kidding, their literally is no lore, He-Man and GI Joe were peak 80s Hasbro cartoons designed to sell toys

>>221209135
G.I. Joe is exponentially harder to sell to potential new fans because the basic premise is the same of every US military wanker generic action movie made in the last 50 years so it has no option but to latch on Transformers like a parasitic twin sibling

>>221209239
the parody of it on futurama killed me
https://youtu.be/hWFVTIYRf-k

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imagine all the engineering invested into a sheath that allows you to draw a sword from your back

>>221199284
I haven't seen it because the trailer looked like AI. I don't.

>>221199284
Came out 40 years too late.
Didn’t the animated series stop in the late 80s/early 90s?

>>221209135
>no lore
There is, though.
https://www.he-man.org/masters-of-the-universe-bible-by-michael-halperin/

>>221199384
they covered Teela and made Man-At-Arms black bro

>>221203184
GI Joe movies haven’t done very well either afaik. I grew up loving the cartoons and toys, same with He-Man but neither did well in live action. The snake-eyes movie was perhaps the last one that had any hope and it was flop

>>221199573
Two woke movies, two broke movies.

>>221208163
I agree. The skeletor strolling through hemans memories was my favorite part.

And the cliche badass walk was great only to under cut itself with the coughing joke. It felt like it was trying to be guardians of the galaxy.

I really hope the Street Fighter movie doesnt make this mistake

>>221210696
Michael Bay becoming the Transformers guy instead of the G.I. Joe guy was the biggest wasted opportunity of the franchise. It's basically every single thing that Bay loves:

>explosive
>militaristic
>patriotic
>full of hot babes

>>221207586
>Then of course The Martian came out a couple years later and was a massive hit.
Honestly, I think if you did a survey when the film came out of whether people who knew that Martian means someone from Mars, a large chunk wouldn't.

>>221199384
This. Fuck Woke garbage
>>221200222
The real reason anime won is because it has NO woke garbage

>>221211037
Bot post.

>>221206367
Kevin Smith's a fucking two-faced lying sack of shit.

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Day 15 of the 'please like our woke trash movie' brought to you by paid for Amazon shills and bots, same as they did with Fallout. Answer is still the same though, just takee Bezo's money, we're fine.

>>221210763
>It felt like it was trying to be guardians of the galaxy.
And that movie is over a decade old and its style of humor already feels dated. Feels like they wrote this in 2012 while it was in development hell and never updated the script.

>>221207511
It's just showing all the models/toy forms of the maximals.
All the TRANSmetals are there multiple times (optimus is there 3 times)
I guess og Blackarachnia was a Predacon.

>>221211476
Dinobot II died as a maximal and he is not there though

>>221211262
I don't know who is more obnoxious, Amazon or WB, regarding that.

>>221199284
there are no more white males in america (who are straight at least)

>>221199284
because heman is fucking lame.

>HR skeletor
somehow they made him even more evil

>>221211262
the movie isn't woke

>>221199284
I'm not gonna watch
>HE/HIM-MAN
why the fuck would anyone? These "people" can't be asked to make genuine entertainment, so I can't be asked genuinely give a shit, it's that easy.

>>221199284
nobody really cared about He man outside of skeletor memes and lol he gay memes

>>221199321
Yeah, I'm sure you're a real cool guy incel.

>>221199321

Sadly this. Even as a fan of the wild imagination of the toy line, fantasy is a hard sell. Fantasy sci-fi a harder sell. The movie simply is - I don't regret seeing it, but I have limited interest in seeing it again. If the script had less haw haw fisting humor, and just embraced the cheese with sincerity it may have existed alongside Speed Racer as a good adaptation too late for a fan base. As is, it's an okay He-Man movie with a pretty impressive score by Daniel Pemberton and Brian May. That said, the anemic crowd in my theater on opening weekend did pop for the familiar characters and whatnot, especially the teasers.

>>221199284
Define the success conditions. It is Amazon MGM, so they are doing taxes write-offs, not so much for profit.

• The screenwriting was off, as they fucked up the hero route, and also they fucked up how to tell the story of an adventure with fun characters. (For contrast, have the Arnold's Conan movie which is more flat in content but richer in epic density like when Conan punches a donkey or was that other movie, but it was Arnold anyway)
• They had physical sets, with plasterers and carpenters, and left only the indian slaves to work cleaning the vfx. Indians fucked up the colors and rigging.
• Leto´s Skeletor was good. It is super bad to rely on the voice only while having a vfx mask mapped by indians.
• The MC did not separate between his base self and the hulk self
• The MC actor did not bulk then rip enough (production faked it with long sleeves)
• Adversaries pop up from nowhere by surprise
• The Skeletor´s mindfuck scene was great, albeit including the worst expense of the movie which is placing the MC at Earth on corpo hell

It can be fixed with AI and better editing.

>>221199284
>why did it fail?

it talked about toxic masculinity

>>221199284
I didn't read the thread but after the Kevin Smiths betrayal I will never trust anything new that's He-Man related again. I don't care what the marketing says. Thanks for asking.

>>221212977
when?

>>221213002
yeah I have a feeling he ruined this movie's chances, and the trailer kind of sucked. It's transformers 1 all over again.

>>221200229
I believe so.

This is one of those rare cases where being associated with an existing IP actually hurt the movie.
Normally an original movie suffers from people not bothering with something they aren't already familiar with
This movie suffered from people being familiar with He-Man and be like
>He-Man? that'so old
>He-Man? the crappy cartoon?
>He-Man? the HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA meme video?

>>221213290
love that song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NXnxTNIWkc

>>221199284
They made him dumb. That's it, that's the reason. The word of mouth was meh and people are tired of haha laugh at the male movies. Read the room if you want to make money.

>>221214003
literally every sentence in this post is wrong

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>>221199284
Becasue:
>woke
>self deprecating
>hated the source material
>marvel quipshit
>black Duncan, latinx Teela and Sorceress
>Manchild looking Adam
>The entire Earth shit
>Desexualized
>not made by men for men
>200 millions for an IP that has done its best to dodge people's interest for 40 years

It basically was a shit product aimed at no audience

>>221201674
>the movie hit exactly the right tone for the source material.
It's nothing like the source material, in tone or otherwise
You have never seen the cartoon

>>221201835
Fuck off from our industry and let normal people make mvies again then

>>221199321
Vastly overestimated nostalgia value. And entertainment media just sucks now (it was always shit to a certain point).

>>221199974
>. I think the producers made about as faithful a recreation of the IP as they could
Earth. Nuff said
Miss me with that shit

>>221214132
>It basically was a shit product aimed at no audience
It was fun, people who aren't you went and enjoyed it. Get over yourself ragefag /pol/tard. You know you don't have to an asshole all day right?

Jokes about gay fisting ? Dafuq is up with that .

>>221214132
Idris Elba isn't black, he's Idris Elba

>>221214259
fisting isn't an inherently gay thing.

>>221205637
they appreciate the toys because they’re fairly well-made figures compared to 80’s vintage Japanese (humanoid) action figures, which are usually of the sofubi hollow vinyl type without the same level of articulation.
it’s a novelty from the period where American middle-class kids had unique high-quality toys that Japanese kids didn’t have. American kids got all kinds of rebranded Japanese robot toys as transformers and go-bots, and kinnikuman erasers as “muscle” figures, but to the best of my knowledge these deluxe human figures weren’t marketed in Japan, so it’s an interesting line from the perspective of vintage toy collectors.

>>221200091
Yet you watch marvel and dc movies?
>>221200222
You can have both things, retard

>>221200224
>"cope and seethe, chud"
>He furiously typed while talking about a DEI movie that just bombed hard

>>221214272
Ok fuck, you know what, just disregard everything I said because I’m a fucking retard
I looked it up after posting and it turns out they were in fact sold in Japan as 魔界伝説ヒーマンの闘い
so I have been talking out my ass, I’m gay, and, uh, I like to fist my own ass.

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>>221207461
>the latinx raceswap was surf-dracula-ing in the last 4 seconds of the movie

>>221207484
Reddit cope, blackwasher

>>221199284
Who wanted this slop to begin with. Maybe in the 2000s, not now.

>>221204735
Lying bitch

>>221206637
JC was billions of time better that He/Him-Man, despite being proto-marvel (which is billions of time better than being late stage marvel)

>>221207159
>Sometimes well made movies flop.
Which is not the case. This shit flick wasn't good and wasn't He-Man

>>221199284
that opening shot where it says he? I'm no HE I'm a man! Was really on the nose

>>221208020
Kek

>>221207883
>it's just a man who wears a robot suit. Okay, and?
retard

>>221212467
>the movie isn't woke
Raceswaps, desexualization, muh maculinity, humiliation of the male lead

>>221214236
>It was fun, people who aren't you went and enjoyed it.
So actually nobody, judging by the massive failure
>Get over yourself ragefag /pol/tard. You know you don't have to an asshole all day right?
Looks like I'm on the right side of history, invader
>>221214262
Raceswap = no watch

>>221200222
That's cause at the time westerners correctly intuited that cartoons are for children. It's no coincidence that in this godforsaken decade, there are more adult fans of anime or capeshit than ever before

>>221199948
Fucking hated how superhero movies always had to make fun of themselves.

>>221199284
WHERE DID THE NIPPLES GO
WHY

>>221199284
Because it wasn't very good

>>221199573
>>221199817
>>221200224
don't call this woke 40yo faggot based, especially when he's shilling supergirl

>>221214236
shut up tranny

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>>221199284
80s nostalgia officially ended in 2025. Zoomers have declared no more He-Man, no more Star Wars, no more Star Trek, all 3 of those have bombed in 2026. The time of stories pandering to balding middle age men is over. Zoomies have declared 2026 and onward a new age of original stories, Backrooms, Obsession, Digital Circus, and more to come.

this would have done well if it came out 10-15 years ago when 80's nostalgia was really popular and the Marvelshit was hitting its stride without being overexposed yet

>>221215142
I've only seen Obsession, and it wasn't a new story at all

>>221215151
10-15 years ago it would still have been an awful woke movie

>>221199974
>think the producers made about as faithful a recreation of the IP as they could, but for anyone new to it, it looks like what it is: an incongruous mash up of fantasy and sci-fi where a barbarian fights a spooky skeleton


No it makes perfect sense. Its post fall of an advanced civilization and half of them went back to barbarism and rediscovered sorcery and the other half found technology

>>221215175
15 years ago you werent alive.

Unless Im wrong and you were and in thar case you're 70 go to bed unc

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>>221205637
GETTER BEAMU

It turned Alison Brie blonde
Fucking sacrilege

>>221215234
She has white hair though?

>>221211037
its slowly getting woke, was talking to my cousins over there just the othre day. They been noticing an icreasing amount of manga have been getting more and more woke and apparently some anime already are. I dont follow it but they told me american companies apparently have been buying into certain publishers of anime and manga too, so its probably a matter of time before it becomes full on western media just with people speaking japanese. Apparently korean media is getting really popular with them too cus of it

>>221215248
looked blonde to me
either way NEVER dye a brunette a lighter shade, zero percent success rate. even on the all time greats

>>221215263
Nothing was ever more woke than normalizing raping little girls. Oh I mean 900 year old dragons.

>>221199284
Too much stupid humor. Just play it straight.

>>221206637
JC is a better film tho.

>>221199321
I am only 43.

didnt know this existed but after seeing
>>221214132 i dont care that it exists.

>>221215513
Just a kid

Camilla Mendes was so hot as Teela. And so many ass shots. And who is that playing She-Ra at the end does anyone know?

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Can't wait to see more of her in the sequel.

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>>221215883
Lauren Saliu

https://thedirect.com/article/masters-of-the-universe-2026-she-ra-costume-photos
https://x.com/BeyondReporter_/status/2062524793396580570

>>221199321
I'm 38 and He-Man is too old for me.

>>221215218
You woke movie flopped with audiences of any ages, and it wouldn't have changed in any era.

>>221215883
>And so many ass shots
Go being african somewhere else

>>221216889
>go being
good morning

>>221199284
Budget should have been less than half of what it was. Movies have no fucking idea how to budget anymore. If this movie was made 26 years ago its budget would be <100 mil.

>>221199353
Somehow they're 'Masters of the Universe'. The original and this one never explores that. ( they should never because it creates mystery - what forces are at play that means they're Masters of the Universe? Exactly how? Any answer would be less than what you could imagine and have nothing to do with interesting stories. Something to do with Castle Grayskull )

>>221207475
well if it had felt like the cartoon it would've looked a lot shittier and they could've gotten it made for about $60,000

>>221216872
The only woke thing was making Man At Arms black. Were there ever many Man At Arms fans? Tila was adopted - hopefully not molested...

>>221207503
Good Morning Sir

>>221217397
If and when they do a She-Ra they shouldn't make Bo black. This would make me not watch. Otherwise I'll watch just to see a hot chick cosplaying She-Ra.

>>221214371
wrong, bitch, watch the movie before you try to complain about it

>>221199284
the pronoun police aka the entirety of hollywood reviewers review bombed it because of the realistic earth scenario at the beginning which did an unflattering accurate portrayal and also chose to blow up at the alcoholic father act to be "unrealistic" when he basically went through years of wars and many would be in the same position. hollywood has been compromised. its another round of this shit after they review bombed rogue one and then turned around and said andor was a masterpiece. disingenuous shits then complain why there aren't any good movies.

>>221217397
You are a retard on perpetual loop.
It's been already said 1000 times how it's woke, and you still default to your disingenuous statement all the times
See >>221214132
BTFO

>>221217411
>If and when they do a She-Ra they shouldn't make Bo black.
Bo? Isn't her name Adora?

This was her actress in the end credits stinger: >>221216775, >>221216754

>>221217440
The movie is woke and nobody watched it.
Sorry not sorry, lying bitch

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>>221217411
>when they do

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>>221217457
Bo is a secondary She-ra character, like Man-At-Arms. He was probably using Bo as an example because the Netflix show already made him black.

>>221207586
>because audiences don't go to see movies with Mars in the title (they were still bitter about the flop of Mars need moms in particular)

That is really funny and a good insight how these stupid executives think

>>221217609
Ah! Thanks for clearing that up. Not that familiar with all the side characters.

>>221215142
>Backrooms, Obsession,
funnily enough the when I went the Obsession crowd was more millennial and early zoomers, the Backrooms screening was much younger and almost all zoomers.

Both movies show that hollywood just needs to stop their nostalgia abuse and actually produce new good things, and stop catering to aging man babies. Feels almost like we are getting back to the 1970s movie era again and thats a good thing.

>>221209239
GI joe is hard to sell in the last 15 years due to many things you have to be careful how you portray terrorisms and avoid any irl events. How you make it, if you make a live action movie or show you have to play a certain way for the military to allow you the use of their machines, cartoons have a bunch of limitation on what can and can't be shown and the teens that would watch it are playing video games like counterstrike or rainbow six. the comic books are there i guess but nobody under 30 is reading that garbage.

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>>221217706
>Both movies show that hollywood just needs to stop their nostalgia abuse and actually produce new good things,
While I agree, if Hollywood can't even do shit based on already heavily mapped stuff, how could they make something that is both new on good?
>Feels almost like we are getting back to the 1970s movie era again and thats a good thing.
The 70s came after decades of great movies and movie culture that shaped the people and audience of the 70s movie wave. We are at the antipodes of that. Chances are that, if we course correct NOW (and that is a giant IF), we'll spend the following decades first trying to phase out the current shit cultures and tropes and narratives and standards, and then reinventing the wheel.
It pains me to think that new generations will spend all my life getting back to where we were 70+ years ago. I'm (going to be) too old for this shit.

>>221217820
The audience for internet meme is inevitably going to be zoomers

>>221199321
I'm 34 and always excited for more He-Man. Did you forget shit like it, G.I. Joe, and Thundercats were reran in the 90's?

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>>221211037

>>221217820
yeah like Top Gun Maverick doesn't explain a single thing about the bad guys beyond the fact that they're building a nuke in a bunker

>>221215263
>>221215305
if you want to see actual wokeslop in manga form trying checking any CLAMPshit

I liked it. Action was good, cast was (mostly) good, too tongue-in-cheek maybe but that's my only real complaint.

>>221200258
So did your parents when you were born but they still keep raising you instead of killing you for what you did to their lives.

>>221199321
>>221199324
Watching RLM isn't a personality.

>>221217469
>its woke!
meaningless meme term you crybaby chuds use whenever you see anything that isn't Birth of a Nation

>>221216889
Top o' the mornin' to ye

>>221218532
Nah, it is, it's just an insufferably shitty one.

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>>221218572
If it's meaningless why does it describe your shit with great precision and everyone normal understand its meaning every time?
And why your woke movie went broke?
Think about it, raceswapper

>>221218643
>Furiously typed the africanized teen

>>221199284
It was wokeslop.

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>>221199300
>>221199321
>>221199324
>>221199328
>>221199384

>>221218714
This is someone's entire personality.

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>>221208020
lol

>>221218748
>someone does something
>"This is someone's entire personality"

Is this a valid criticism in your head?

>>221203184
Serious He-Man is Conan. Just watch/Read/ask for a proper Conan movie.

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>>221214132
/thread.

>>221218714
>especial
what what the fuck its actually a word and not an eslism

>>221200538
Cain is still a fag for commenting at all.

>how does she have pierced ears?!?!
I saw you shave with a mirror man, who gives a fuck.

>>221218714
>nooooo not my childhood favorite Ram-Man.

>>221217397
Still race swapped
I shant be pay for nor watch DEI Amazon slop

>>221214490
none of this is true

>>221218714
...do we ever see Ram Man without his helmet to know his hair color in the classic series?

>>221199284
Most of the uncs who watched the original in the 80s, died during Covid Wars.

>>221199284
>*millennials make thing for nobody*
>millennials: what the hell why did nobody watch this!?

>>221219309
The director is 52. Full-blown Xer.

Same as Dungeons and Dragons
And Game Night
And The Lost City
And Mad Max: Fury Road
And Shazam!
And Free Guy
Movies made for ""men"" in which the male MC is emasculated and sidelined, and all women are fully covered.

>>221219044
A sizable percentage of Gen Xers have died. Suicide is a huge problem with that generation, as it is with most generally right wing gens.

>>221199284
they should've just called it He-Man.

>>221217820
>GI joe is hard to sell in the last 15 years due to many things you have to be careful how you portray terrorisms and avoid any irl events.

This is a take completely divorced from the fiction of the franchise. G.I. Joe was never about real life military shit. It tapped into a youthful appreciation of cool vehicles and completely retarded shit like ninjas and karate men in a fictional military. G.I. Joe would be a box office layup in the right hands, it's a franchise with baked in DEI - though not the neutered human resource department DEI - sexy miltary women, diverse cast of cool characters of all races (Storm Shadow, Quick Kick, Roadblock, Spirit, etc.), and gimmicks for days. It is a legitimate failure of American culture this entertainment franchise has not been strip mined for every non-fiat currency backed dollar in this mobility scooter McNation.

Why in the fuck is Miguel Bay not in charge of G.I. Joe instead of Transformers?

>>221199284
They didn't use the HEYAYAAYA song. And to make it more insulting, some other slop movie trailer is currently using it instead.

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>>221219663
>Why in the fuck is Miguel Bay not in charge of G.I. Joe instead of Transformers?

He was going to but 9/11 made Hasbro invest on TF instead. My biggest surprise was finding out that G.I. Joe used to be so big that the comics outsold Spiderman and X-men by a large margin.

>>221219744

It's not shocking as a geezer who lived it. Pure capitalist synergy America has since failed at - hit toy line, fun animated series, entertaining comic series. It was as if for a brief moment America was able to do what Japan continues to do with the Shonen Ace / Jump comics, to animation, to toys pipeline. It could also probably just be lawyers and corporations being bitches (see also the Sony and Marvel Spiderman stuff). Crazy to reflect on every single thing my generation holds dear about Transformers being the spawn of the Marvel comics crafting a fiction for these disconnected licensed Japanese transforming robot toys. 50 years later I'm watching Millennials cry about the irrelevance of Beast Wars, while Gen Alpha and the Zoomzooms are getting autistic about Bob Budiansky's TF lore. Thank you for sharing the sales invoice anon.

>>221219738
>Use this stupid song in your movie and advertising
>Some guy claims your movie failed because you didn't use it

>>221218652
>no argument except "you're a tranny"
tell me why it wasn't bad when they made Harvey Dent black in the first Tim Burton Batman. Tell me you got equally mad about the introduction of a black character in Empire Strikes Back as you did with Force Awakens. Explain why it wasn't an issue back then

>>221219738
It's playing during the sequence where Beastman chases them on the highway
>its not the funny techno remix from the meme!
go be a faggot somewhere else

>>221199284
Money says the audience for this just gave up. They´ve seen every single franchise they´ve ever loved destroyed by modernization and just can´t get hyped anymore. Furthermore the recent cartoon was awful already so they really had no reason to expect anything from this.

>>221219019
>>221219019
Man at Arms was always black? Teela was always Hispanic? Sorceress was always Hispanic? Ram Man was always Asian? Tri Clops was always black? He Man was always a gen alpha coded buffoon who needed Teela to rescue him?

Get woke, go broke.

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>>221203184
The Marvel Transformers comic run was excellent too. WAY different tone than the 80's G1 cartoon and a lot of characters like Ratchet and Shockwave had much larger roles and cool story arcs.

I think the 90's revival of Transformers happened at least partly because of the GI Joe comic books too. Stuff like the tank version of Megatron came from there and the Transformers toy line got a successful reboot in the mid 90's that brought a lot of the classic toys back on store shelves along with new stuff too. That GI JOE comic series may have actually saved the Transformers brand

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>>221214259
people have been making fisting jokes about Fisto for decades
which is not surprising since the jokes practically write themselves

>>221199284
everyone's sick of raceswapping dogshit