Like what the fuck? It's a fucking modern day setting with NOTHING interesting going on other than the main actress facial expression.You seriously telling me the bitch who placed a couch and a lamp here and there thinks she should have been paid 9999 millions? She thinks a single person watched the movie because "ohh look at those amazing courtains"?A modern day boring movie without its own unique artstyle shouldn't even have an art director lmao. And people saying "She will be hired a lot now!", LMAO, to do what? place couches in boring dark movies?
>i clean the toilets at Google, i should be paid 500 thousand a month right??
>>221199575Gaurantee she came on set for like 4hrs a day, 3x a week for 2 months. Barely had tondonany work
>>221199575>>221199601>>221199610shalom
>>221199575women ruin everything, she said yes to the money but wants to renegotiate after the fact, classic bitch move.AI will take care of art direction now, less expensive and won't demand more money after the job is done. cunt.
>>221199575>WHAT DOES AN ART DIRECTOR EVEN DO?????Makes sure the film's lighting looks like this. And they make sure a bunch of indians colorgrade their slop.
>>221199601>>221199610Do they offer to return their wages, not even that, go into debt, whenever they work on a movie that bombs?
Would she still be complaining if the movie completely bombed?
>>221199575I think the actress was bitching about her salary as well.
>>221199575To be fair,it would be a nice gesture when a small budget film like this makes a large amount of money to reward everyone involved at least a little bit. Plenty of companies have things like profit sharing programs as an incentive for hard work.
>>221199736Movies have that too. Sign a different contract. It's not that hard or bitch about it after the fact to guarantee that nobody else will hire you. Reminds me of the voice actor of the main guy in GTA 4. He cried about it so much (GTA 4 making a shitton of money and how he deserves more money now retroactively) that he ruined his career and was blacklisted
>>221199575Apparently she signed a contract for more money upfront at the cost of royalties.
>>221199575It's always funny when a movie or game is extremely successful and those individual roles come asking for more money, why don't the blue-collar workers for the movie deserve more money too?
>>221199601Nah, she is right, anyone can clean toilets but her decisions affected directly the way that the movie looks which is part of why it was successful. She deserves more money.
>>221199883no, you're wrong
>>221199883she should have thought about it when she signed the contract, if her work was so good she'll get recognition for it and this will lead to higher-paying jigs but the fact that she's making such a fuss about this indicates that she considers this movie a lightning in a bottle and she doesn't expect to be able to work on a successful movie again
>>221199610If you read on it you’d know on top of her art director job she did multiple other jobs for the production with no compensation, she personally rented a house for the shoot to take place in, she drove at her own expense to different shoot locations again without compensation to purchase and deliver props for the film, etc.
>>221200005She did all of those things and at the time considered her compensation to be fair. She only changed her mind after the consensual agreement between two parties had concluded. After the movie went on to be successful and she decided she wanted more.This is the same logic women use for false rape accusations and I will not support it.
>>221199995>if her work was so good she'll get recognition for it and this will lead to higher-paying jigsThis is not at all how things work. If you’re a behind the scenes person who is wasn’t in charge of writing or producing the movie nobody is going to give a a fuck what projects you worked on and pay you better for it. Especially when it’s a small budget independent movie. If anything they will low ball you because they figure you’re used to working for pennies so why should they pay more.And when you’re living paycheck to paycheck you can’t exactly do anything about it because each job you land is what keep a roof over your head
This more or less should sum it uphttps://youtu.be/fh7spT0qeuk?t=86
Personally I think everyone should be paid the same everywhere.
>>221200047>and at the time considered her compensation to be fair.Again, if you actually bothered to look into her comments you’d know she considered quitting multiple times. You’re just talking out of your ass
>>221199575>2 months of work>get paid 7k>when the average wagie gets that in 7 monthsshe should fucking kill herself
>>221199883She literally didn't do anything and barely even showed up for work. The actors and actresses even wore their own clothes.
>>221199848good point, where are all the advocates for the grips and lighting guys and all the other on-set labor to be rewarded too? it's almost like the progressive left is more about elitism and less about labor these days
>>221200005> if you read her extremely biased account of the events where she has an obvious and extreme conflict of interestNah, I think I'll trust everyone else.
>>221200055if that's the case then all the more reason to ask for a small percentage of the earnings from the movie beforehand if she considers her work so important for its success. But maybe all the publicity she's getting from this whining might land her a pity job so maybe she's not wrong to complain
>>221200005She DROVE?????Oh my god how difficult, she deserves at least seven figures for that
>>221200079And I’m supposed to care why?
>>221200115In cases like this everyone involved should get a bit of a bonus. If the crew was say 100 people, give them all an extra $10,000 as a reward. Just enough to boost their morale and make them feel appreciated for their work
>>221199575>Sally ChoiAsian American women are the most entitled spoiled brats on earth. They give yentas a run for their money
>>221200228Thats what a moral and ethical person would do, but unfortunately we live in a sociopathic world where predators are the only people rewarded.
>>221199848The blue collar jobs are less unique in terms of their contribution to the project (and future projects), and in this case, the art director herself was the one who spoke out, so the blue collar workers themselves could absolutely do the same and probably find somebody willing to publish their story.
Someone please ID the watch this little faggot is wearing. Is he starting to flaunt his newfound wealth?
>>221199687Can you stop being a bigot for like one second
>>221199575to be fair, every Obsession review I've read has raved about the art direction.
>>221199575>industry reformsIsn't this an indie film?
>>221199575Studio shill thread?
>>221200360> art direction> actors and actresses are wearing their own clothes> places they rented out for filming are almost completely unchangedThere is no "art direction."
>>221199575Isn't it well known by now that everyone including actors get shit pay on their first big break? Everyone starts at the bottom and has to work their way up through the industry. Now she can't because she's loudmouth retard who's blacklisted for sure.
>>221200504kek what a dumb bitch
>>221199883so if it bombed she should give some back then?
>>221199575You are paid a fixed amount because you don't want to deal with volatility of entertainment. Next time don't ask for a wage but a percentage of the movie success.
did she even bring this up with the producers and ask for a bonus or did she just have a woman moment and started whining on social media after pretending for weeks that everything was fine?
This is how any job works. If you go to your boss with a crazy good idea, they don't pay you for it, your performance just gives you the opportunity for a better job.
>>221200760She only brought it up because the movie is a hit.
>>221199736Yeah it would be a nice gesture if my boss randomly decided to give me a million dollar bonus for no reason, but why would I expect that to happen if it wasn’t part of my contract?
>>221199736They can negotiate for a percentage. Which is probably even easier on a small indie movie
>>221200819>could’ve>would’ve>should’veBut didn’t :^)
>>221200308You should give me all of your money for no reason. If you disagree you’re an immoral and unethical person.
i work in advertising where art director is actually a very impactful job. they tell the commercial director everything about visuals. this little video is an industry joke you may or may not enjoy: https://youtu.be/5joO4EvH1PA
>>221199575Pay the runners, teamsters and union what they are worth!
>>221199575Hollywood won't survive zoomers either.Greed > art
>>221200845I wont even bother addressing your strawman, here's the (You)
>>221199575>OP advocating for Lottery System where you work till you hit the lottery job and then retire earlygrim
>>221200875You are a sociopathic predator
>>221200857this is what they get for hiring Spanish language writers for GTASpics. they’re all mutinous little commies not worth their beans.
>>221199883>i don't understand how a job works
>>221200809yeah but I wonder if she at least contacted the producers privately and went "since the movie did so well and us wageslaves got a shit pay could you throw some extra dough our way pretty please?" before making it a public issue
>>221200851Don't expect anons here to actually know what behind the scenes people do and how important their work is.The same could be said for something like "Why do you need a director of photography when you have camera men?"
>>221200928I don't know if she did, but I seriously doubt it given how incredibly entitled people behave these days.
>>221199773>>221199848Residuals are a normal thing in the industry for creative and producer roles.If the thing you contributed to does really well and you don't get any extra money, and you think that's unfair, you should be chewing out your agent, not publicly whining about the management of the company that made the thing.You had the option to trade some upfront pay for residuals later. You didn't take it when you had the chance during contract negotiations.You lose. Good day, sir.
>>221199575Disparu put out a video completely and utterly annihilating this cunt. Even my libtard friend who hates him enjoyed it.
>>221200005nigga I drive myself to work at my own expense 5-6 times a week every week and they don't pay me no 450 dollars a day
If a movie is supposed to look scary or funny or historical or capeshitty, the art director keeps the sets, props, clothing etc consistent with what the director or studio wants. It's not a made up title at all, even in "normal" movies in a modern setting. I don't give a fuck about the actual topic here
>>221200181If you’re picking up and delivering shit for the production and have to pay for your own fuel instead of it being compensated back that is shitty.
>>221200817David Lynch paid royalties for Eraserhead
>>221200332perhapsWould I do the same? Sure, but with a way cooler watch
>>221200968>You had the option to trade some upfront pay for residuals laterIn a small budget independent movie where basically everyone involved is living from paycheck to paycheck?
>>221201046And is part of your job description transporting materials for the job site, fuckhead?
>>221201224Yes (I'm a first fix carpenter)
>>221200055She's not gonna fuck you lil bro.
>>221201250This, fucking simps.
>>221200899>you are the thing you said earlier, how about them appleswasted dubs.
>>221201208Yeah? Everyone else who stands to make money from the movie doing well equally stands to lose money if it does poorly, why should she be any different?>b-but I'm poor!Yeah, financial illiteracy is the reason
>>221200195>And I'm supposed to read why?
>>221199630It's not just that. They're all commies and think they're entitled to all the money you make despite they were rightfully paid for their job. If the boss decides to share the final profit that was unexpectedly higher, that's fine, but it's not an obligation.I guess that they think it's unfair considering the the actors still get royalties out of the shows and movies, but the reason people watch those is because of the actors. That's basically the motivation for the writers' strike.
>>221200079>could’ve quit>would’ve quit>should’ve quitBut didn’t, WOMP WOMP
>>221201270Maybe everyone in the production shouldn’t be expected to agree to be paid pennies on the off chance that your gamble that the movie ends up making massive profit, especially when you are in an industry where you’re already forced to work freelance and you never know when you can land your next gig. It’s just exploitation of labour where people barely can afford covering their basic living expenses. Especially when you already agree to do additional jobs for no extra pay in order to get the fucking even finished
>>221200504David Duchovny began his career as a body double for porn movie intro scenes.Daisy Ridley’s first TV spot was as a naked corpse in Silent WitnessOrlando Bloom was a country bumpkin that got stabbed to death by a pitchfork in Midsommer Murders.Leonardo Dicaprio was an uncredited extra in Roseanne.Steven Segal funded his first movie from Mafia money.Sylvester Stallone had to write, direct and partially fund Rocky to get it made, fighting studio execs every step of the way.Harrison Ford earned a living fitting Hollywood jacuzzis with secret cocaine drawers before he got his first acting break.
>>221199883>OY VEY, DID YOU JUST PAY ME THE AMOUNT I AGREED TO? THIS IS EXPLOITATION!!!
>>221201362>pennies >7000 dollars for 3 weeks workThat's offensiveIf you can't afford to live get another job. TJ Maxx is always hiring. If you're saying to me "Yeah, I get 500 dollars a day, but I only work like 12 weeks out of the year" - what are you doing for the remaining 40 weeks? You want to pursue your dream, OK, but that doesn't mean everyone else should pay you charity so you can do it. The world is packed full of people who didn't have the money to pursue their dream.
>>221201376You don't have to be a super star. Most people start with shitty jobs that pay pennies. If you're smart, you can climb up. Thing is, you can't have an ego. If you think you deserve to be the top manager after your first day, you're done.
>>221199883>Nah, she is rightno she's not, i'm pretty sure nobody forced her to sign her contract, she did the job, pretty damn well, and got paid for it already, next time raise your salary expectations and see how you do bitch
>>221199883dude, she was working for 20 days and her main task was to buy plywood, not even create something with it
>complaining about being paid $300 a daydo americans really? movie could have flopped as well and theyd still be paid the same. why would they get a bonus
>>221201512>next time raise your salary expectationsReal life isn’t a video game where you can just upgrade your salary like a level up
>>221201575Freelancer work for a set number of days after which she’s out of a job and might not find another paying job for multiple l months.
>>221201637>>221201451
>>221201637She should listen to Mike Rowe and pull up her sleeves.
>>221201637get a temp job at walmart then
>>221201451It means you should get paid well unless you expect just rich people to make movies in the future. Isn’t that what you dipshits complain about all the time? Nepo babies getting jobs just because they’re rich?
>>221201684Why don’t you work fifteen different jobs and become a millionaire?
>>221200079>considered quitting>decided to stay for the money she agreed to and bitch about it instead hilarious that women demand equality but then have a meltdown whenever they're forced to be a grownup and live with their choices. if she didn't think she was getting paid enough she shouldn't have accepted the job. if she wasn't getting paid enough she shouldn't have rented a house out of pocket and left that to production. if she wasn't getting paid enough and had the ability to quit she should have. she didn't though because she wants to bitch and have her 5 minutes in the sun.
if you make their pay depend on the back end so they can benefit from a runaway success, they will basically be working to gamble and risk earning close to 0or if you allow them the massive boost when its a runaway success, but also pay them well for flops, you're basically asking to be paid 100% plus a randomly generated amount ranging from 0% to 1000%so why would i finance films when i, the grabbler who funds things, take on the same huge risk but have to share my reward with comfortable peasant workers?
>>221201715she got paid 1% of the entire movies budget, should be happy. maybe look for bigger projects if its not enough
>>221199575pretty sure when you work on a movie you have the choice of either a fixed paycheck or a percentage of the movie's profit. chose wrong and is now crying for gibbs on twitter.
>>221201770You’re exploiting labour when your independent film project always relies on the crew doing all kinds of odd jobs for free just to finish the movie. It’s basic decency to reward people who you’re paying pennies on the dollar if the movie ends up making massive profit. The movie would have never been a hit if those people hadn’t agreed to help out when money was tight because you wouldn’t have been able to finish it/
>>221199575>>221199601>>221199610sorry mr steinbaumwitzbergyou're going to pay up
>>221199848the blue collar jobs usually are paid better, per hour, than the artistic onesyou need an electrician? you're paying $40/hr whether it's a student film or elon musk's IVF breeding farm
>>221201319Hey Mr Shlomobergstein, fancy seeing you here.
>>221201460Nobody deserves to to be a top manager because managers are parasites who's somehow memed retards into believing mindless administration is worthy of some kingly mantle of leadership bullshit.In a sane world companies would be owned by their employees as mutual organisations, who would decide an annual strategy at an AGM and then *employ* managers for the meagre few tens of thousand their "skills" are actually worth to handle the day-to-day paperwork while the workers got on with actually creating all the value.
>>221199575>get's paid $7000>feels a ripped off>a director sees his work and hires him for another project for $200000It's called career progression and it happens in every industry. He should stop whining.
>>221201205Imagine paying 30k for a watch, and they only bother to put four numbers on it.
>>221199883She agreed to work for that amount. She signed the contract you idiot.
>didn't negotiate for a percentage instead of a single payment because she expected it to bomb that's on her
Interesting how these people always think they should share in the profits when the movie does well, but never, ever share the debt when the movie bombs.
>>221201690Yes, art should almost exclusively be done by rich people as it was done in the past. This whiny communist has nothing interesting to say anyways. If she has a problem with that she should take it up with her low quality ancestors.
>>221202522>companies would be owned by their employees as mutual organisationsYou commies can go do this right now in practically any country in the world. Nobody is stopping you from forming co-ops. You're stupid and lazy though and you ultimately know that your shitty little hippy co-op won't be able to compete.
>>221199610They filmed for 18 days only
>>221199575The movie was made on a budget of less than $1,000,000 and by all accounts could've easily been a mid flop. I think part of the reason it's doing so well is that most movies are just so bad these days even half baked popcorn flicks seem like masterful strokes of fresh air. If this movie has come out in other decades it would've been more of a cult classic you discovered through renting random movies then showing them to your friends when they were above average and you couldn't believe no one had heard of this one. That aside, there is a process for this. You can always work for a lesser salary with percentage of gross negotiated in. Typically you don't get a retroactive raise because a movie made more than expected. That's what Jack Nicholson did on Batman and it resulted in him getting paid one of the highest salaries an actor has ever gotten at that time because he basically did it for free but says he wanted 10% of the movies total gross. You could always negotiate adding a stipend if the movie exceeds a certain amount but that sounds even more screwy. Movies already cost too much to make which keeps regular people gate kept out of the industry. The real solution is to allow random Joe's to make low budget movies across the country without having to deal with Hollywood
>>221199883> anyone can clean toiletsBut will they? Try not hiring someone to clean toilets and just tell everyone is a shared responsibility. >>221200320So what if it's unique? Try making a movie without them and see how much everyone complains. Heck, try asking an actor or "coordinator" to do it and see how they react. Art direction can definitely help a project, but they could just add easily film in a random person's house and it would look just as good.
>>221204119>So what if it's unique?Because the more "replaceable" you are for a task, the less the value of your labor. It's why famous actors get paid so much, even if their job might not be that hard, or they might not even be that good at acting, but if you want Will Smith's name and face, and the associated box office draw, attached to your project, you have to get Will Smith. If you perceive an art director's unique voice, vision, adaptability, etc to hold unique value for your project, you hire uniquely them. You're far more likely to find people who can hold a light than you can find somebody who can provide good art direction.It would have been a great gesture for Curry Barker or whatever distribution company held the funds to give a bonus to the cast and crew after the huge box office performance, but if it weren't in their contracts, they're under no obligation.
The entertainment industry, especially indie films, is filled with fundamentally unserious people. These people have no fucking clue how the real world works and expects massive payouts despite taking zero risks. The producers who put money into the thing took all the risks
>>221201184I didn’t ask
>>221201266>apply unrealistic standards to everyone around you >someone applies those same standards to you >REEEEEEEEEE THIS IS LIKE, SO UNFAIR!!!!
>>221201362Nobody forced you to be in this industry you entitled shithead. The director put up like $1 million of his own money to finance the film. If it flopped he would be shit out of luck. She was going to get paid regardless of how well the movie did. Thats the trade off you make for being an employee instead of an investor.
>>221201637>I consciously chose to go into freelance work but now I’m upset I don’t get a consistent paycheckNot my fucking problem
>>221199625It’s jews who are the commies you noob anti-semite
>>221203433Notice how he doesn't respond.Management isn't just about paperwork and spreadsheets. It's also about will and risk tolerance. The truth is that workers don't tend to just group together, build a company, staff it, and start selling shit. This isn't because of legal red tape, but because of natural inertia and axiety. "I've never done that before." "What if it doesn't work out?"Somebody needs to have a singular vision and convince other people of that vision by providing incentives such as equity or wages to get them on board.
This thread is a good reminder that communists are all seething retarded manchildren with zero understanding of how the world works
>>221204941it's also jews who are the cappies
>>221199575every time this Sally Choi, the art director is mentioned, they show the actress in the movie. it makes it look like she's complaining. it's misleading
>>221199575>Art director gets paid what was offered on indie flick>Movie is a mega hit>"NOOOO I DESERVE MORE MONEY AFTER THE FACT"Not how that works
>>221199883lol
