>I know I'm deluded, but I don't care for Truth (God).Yeah, he was an antichrist.
>>221205634he was a normal person trying to get away from the brownoid tranny hell that's he'd been forced into.he's me.
>>221205634>he was an antichristno, he was Judas
>>221205634>Doesn't remember a thing and lives like a godWould the machines honor that promise? Or just kill him for being a pain in the ass?
>>221205634He rejected the harsh reality of Sophia’s truth so he could go to the Demiurge’s lies
>>221205634> yeah put that machine cock up my ass> make me into a human robot battery pinata> I just need that juicy piece of meat in my mouthwhat did the Wachowskis mean by that?
>>221206022if I were a machine I'd kill him because if he is capable of becoming a redpill in the first place then he's possibly doomed to become one again
>>221205667This
Growing up is realizing that the matrix is white men bad the movie. Even Keanu is half asian
>>221206272>implying Smith was bad
>>221205876this pretty much. duh
>>221205667Fpbp
>>221206329Im not saying he is but he is obviously made to look like that
the joke is “I don’t like the idea I’m not in control of my life” is something cypher would’ve said too
>>221205634>I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast
>>221205667>he'd been forced intoThey offered him two pills, he unironically voted for it.
>>221206022Given that he would set precedent for actually CHOOSING to live in the Matrix (the whole thing they had problems with people subconsciously rejecting the Matrix) it would literally only benefit them, but let's say it didn't, it somehow seems unlikely they would "bother" to lie being le logical machines, then again you could say they're efficiency obsessed and they couldn't be bothered to expend the miniscule resources to do so.All in all I'd weight it towards them honouring the deal
>>221205667This is proof that Zion was actually a second layer for "malcontents", they spoke of paradise Matrix being inherently rejected by the human psyche. So they built a normal one for the vast majority of people, and then built a hell Matrix for the pathological "struggler"/noooticers (partially to fulfill the inherent psychological need in some to "overcome" and keep them safely contained, and also partially as a funny joke)
>>221206022an omnipotent AI would always follow through with its promise. i can't remember why. it's very abstract and complicated. just trust me bro i am le internet guy. we're never wrong
>>221206022They made him Ralph Ciffareto
>>221206886think i need to rewatch it with fresh eyes
>>221206946That has always been a common "is le deckard really a robot" angle since the movies came out, all joking about sweaty hellscapes aside
>>221206022>>221206907>Would the machines honor that promise?I do believe they would. A lot of that system was built on the premise that machines are superior to humans in every way, including morality. Upholding deals is just another way for machines to feel superior. After all even Merovidian upheld his deal with Trinity to return Neo to her, even though he absolutely didn't have to.
>>221207012https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53692435>The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says>"That was the original intention but the world wasn't quite ready," says Lilly Wachowski, who came out as trans along with her sister Lana after the films came out.
>>221206840>All in all I'd weight it towards them honouring the deal There is one angle Cypher didn't consider - even though he is a traitor, he is still one of the people who 'woke up'. This urge to wake up, feeling that world isn't real is subcounscious, maybe even biological. If machines knew how to get rid of this feeling, they would do it, but they can't, it is the entire premise of the system.So they can plug him in, wipe his memory, but this urge will not go away, it will return and destroy him, and if he accidentally wakes up again, machines will just flush him down the toilet like they did with Neo in first movie, and there won't be any Morpheus to fish him out this time.Machines are most likely aware, and that is why this deal might even be funny to them.
>>221207279'Lily' didn't come up with this after movies came out, he came up with it when he got mindbroken with sissytorture by his ultra expensive Dominatrix.
>>221207290I suppose I discounted that it's a ingrained possibly genetic tendency to noootice and that given the implications about the "perfect matrix" he'd be even more likely to do so second time round (there might even be some residual memories locked away), so yeah maybe they would err on the side of him probabilistically being likely to cause problems
>>221207321and yet the movie lines up with everything he said it was about.
>>221207279That has nothing to do with any of what I was saying (other than perhaps transexuals would be inclined to view Zion as a paradise) but that was all much later post hoc bullshit after he got brainfucked with ketamine and dominatrixes (though that was actively going on around about the time of the second movie, wasn't it, which does have the most egregious "imagine the smell" moment)
>>221207383>it's a ingrained possibly genetic tendency to noooticeSo much so that machines could only come up with solution where they let these people go, guide them do Scion to purge them when there is enough of them. It is THE mathematical impossibility Architect cannot ever deal with and so he seethed so much he set up the One system in a way where he wanted to pat himself on the back for being able to always predict One's choice.
>>221207432and yet >>221207407and then i say>"It seems that you've been living two lives">"There is no spoon">"Mr. Anderson. No, I'm Neo!">deadnaming>estrogen = red pill>butch stronk wamen>switchthey're basically antifa fighting the patriarchy. where there any black female agents? oh only white men. gotcha
>>221207492Even further, Zion was actually still a literal Matrix layer
>>221207103Extremely naive of you to think that the people who gave you a shitty life the first go around wouldn’t fuck you over>Yeah, you tossed me in a prison cell once, but you promise it’ll be better this time? >Good enough for me!Can I interest you in some beachfront property in Arizona?
>>221205667You're not a normal person if you deny your own Creator. If you do, you immediately set yourself as a inferior being.
>>221206886It's not a literal digital Matrix but yes. The IRL Zion hellworld was made by the machines as a containment zone for those kinds of people and everythign about it was just as controlled as the digital Matrix.
>>221207695>Extremely naive of you to think that the people who gave you a shitty life the first go around wouldn’t fuck you overDo you understand how much of a victory that is for machines, that one of humans came crawling back to them. Pluging him back in and watching him go insane is thousand times better than just killing him.Machines are extremely prideful, the entire system they set up is actual humiliation ritual over their creators.
>>221207725I know that's pretty much explicitly stated, but I (jokes aside about "le nooticers" being put in a hellscape of "diversity" called Zion eating soilent) still like to believe it was an actual Matrix because of the aforementioned, like it was purposely designed, and weird shit like magic superpowers working in the "real world" (though I suppose the real world still being fake goes against the whole Gnosticism thing, then again so does it being a complete and utter shithole)
>>221207715my mother and father created me. nobody else.
>>221207725>everythign about it was just as controlled as the digital Matrix.It is funny how the entire thing hangs on humans trust in the One, who at that point is broken inside, because he already knows how the purging works and all he can do is to play along with Architect's plan>hey guys here are these neat water, food and heat machines, entirely automated>whoa that neat, where did they come from>uhhhhhh I built them, yeah, me. Totally.
>>221207012>since the movie came outIt popped up in the last few years anon.
>NOOOOOOO I HAVE TO EAT STEAK AND LIVE IN THE 90S >YES I AM FINALLY AWAKE FROM LE MATRIX NOW I CAN DANCE IN A CAVE
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>>221207995They literally mention it IN the movie (well the sequels)
>>221206886God damn. Watchowskis are geniuses
>escape the Matrix>still live in the cave
>>221206022The Machines had no reason to NOT keep their side of the deal. It costs them nothing, they gain another processor, and it sets a precedent that gives an incentive for other humans to betray Zion if they might get plugged back in if they learn about what happened to Cypher (maybe while in a trip to the Matrix someone sees him there living a normal life, and rumors spread, etc).
>>221206022erasing all his memories is killing him pretty much. and obviously they wouldnt do it
>>221208374Sure, if you ignore context, chronology, etc.
>>221208477The only reason they wouldn't keep the deal is if they couldn't. Like once you reject the code you can't unreject it, which was implied I think.
>>221208477The joke is if they made him famous the resistance would definitely see him and he’d be a pretty high value target
>>221208628Everyone who’s “freed” from the matrix, while in the matrix, is rejecting it. But since the matrix is no longer attempting to force their physical brains to accept it, thanks to the choice patch, they can stay inside until they’re let out, so it stands to reason as long as they’re still given the subconscious choice, and a successful important actor who feels he’s in control of his life and doesn’t have to eat shit from anyone probably won’t feel too bad about accepting the dream.
>>221207854and who created the time-space frame where you live you microbe, kneel to god
>>221208909god isn’t real. my mommy and my daddy are though.
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>>221208963is time and space real?>>221208982nice projection bro
If Satan offers you pleasure, and God offers you pain with nothing but the unsubstantiated promise that one day the pain will be replaced by pleasure, why the fuck would you ever care what God says at all? What's the value of truth if the lie is so much sweeter?
>>221209046there's no material pleasure like spiritual blissthere's no amount of drugs, sex, money or fame that can fill a souless void
>>221205634I still think Smith was gonna kill him anyway.
>>221209081>there's no material pleasure like spiritual blissand how would you know? have you ever achieved this "spiritual bliss"?
>>221209081>spiritual blissDamn we are already at the "blatantly making shit up" part of the religiousfag argument. Usually this is followed up by the condescending fake pity at not experiencing something while you lie through your teeth claiming it's totally real.
>>221209105yes, the ego dissolves, you are at peace
>>221209118>LIES LIES LIESok nice argument bud
>>221207829>magic superpowers working in the "real world"Neo just had a wireless connection to the machine network, and could control the drones just like he could control the matrix. The only thing remotely magical is being able to do this using only your mind.
>>221209207Erm, Socrates, that isn't a productive rebuttal to my esoteric thoughtform? Do you concede to my superior loquaciousness?
>>221209016matter can neither be created nor destroyed.
>>221209227Yes anon, a resistance that is built entirely around wireless van eck phreaking to access and manipulate the matrix just totally didn’t notice that neo was broadcasting wifi
>>221209081lel
>>221209440I don't know what you mean by bringing up "a resistance", but all the humans have neural implants, a wireless transceiver is hardly out of the question considering they deliberately allow humans to "escape" but still keep tabs on them.Even if Neo's implants weren't special, he and his predecessors were the only humans capable of controlling the matrix with their minds.And for the ultimate schizo theory, the machines were clearly divided, and many rogue programs were desperate the shatter the status quo. It's not far-fetched that Neo was "configured" to infiltrate the wider machine network without the knowledge of the collective.
>>221209652>but all the humans have neural implantsnigga theres literally a scene where neo notices someone has no plugs and they exposition dump to explain the guy was naturally born
I'm glad chuds can't breed.
>>221209711I'm gonna breed you
>>221205634>Trump (God)Holy shit you people are delusional.
>>221209733is that a promise?
>>221209652Maybe actually watch the movies.
>>221209986you can count on itwe'll even cuddle after and have some nice pillow talk
>>221205634>dead Jew on a stick= truthwho's more deluded now again?
None of this matters because the access codes from zion aren't even needed to destroy it. The entire chase sequence was another form of control for the machines
>>221210205Jesus is not a j*w, athietroon
>>221208982>anybody who contradicts me is a "LARPer"This has been a really weird trend in the evolution of terminally-online atheist mental-illness.
>>221210958>king of the jews wasn't a jewonly a christkike could come up with this line of logic
>>221209711Rightwingers are statistically more likely to get married, have sex, have children, etc. than their self-identified "progressive" opposition is.
>>221209652>a wireless transceiver is hardly out of the questionyou have to contain your imagination to the boundaries of the fictional world you're musing on. nothing on screen, outside of neo magic, suggests any sort of wifi capacity for matrix/machine inferface. what we do see, through all the movies, and the necessity to plug in -- with a very aggro brain spike shoving all the way into the skullcan we imagine wifi based on the world we live in today? of course. earpods the size of a coin has wifi. but in the universe of the matrix, there's no reason to believe the technology exists to connect to a copper top that isn't plugged in
>>221210560>None of this matters because the access codes from zion aren't even needed to destroy it.this kind of shifted between the first movie and the sequels. in the original, the machines didnt know where zion was or how possible it would be to breach their defenses. zion was presented as a truely safe human settlement that the machines couldn't access without the codesin the sequels, the threw this away and said "actually the machines allow zion to exist and have the power to destroy it through force". this is recontextualized through the architect saying they don't want to wipe out zion entirely because they need the one and his followers to create a new zion. they were ready to cull it but not destroy it, because 'rebooting' zion was part of how the system of control perpetuates
>>221210958can you tell me the original name of birth of Jesus and it's original language?can you tell me how he's not the prophesied Jew saviour of his people?can you tell me how he's not circumcised?can you tell me how he's not king of the Jews?can you tell me ho his patriarcal line is not Jewish?can you tell me ho he's not from Judea?can you tell me how he's not a descendent of Israel?can you tell me how his mom is not Jewish?can you tell me how he missed going to the synagogue for shabbat every week?can you tell me how he didn't visit the sacred temple in Jerusalem?can you tel me how he didn't wear tzitzit?can you tell me how he didn't speak Aramaic or Hebrew?can you tell me how a samaritan woman didn't recognize him as a Jew from his face?again if you can tell me he's not a Jew than what kind of race he is?
>>221211265That's why there's only 1 matrix film. Don't get me wrong I actually enjoyed the action and dialogue in Reloaded but it ultimately shat on the original. Revolutions and 4 is just the same shit except they suck ass.
>>221206022the machines would honor the deal. they went to war with humanity partly because humans were lying and being underhanded in all their dealings with the machines. it's why they honor neo's bargain at the end of revolutions and the architect gets all haughty about keeping his word ("what do you think i am - human?")
>>221207889not only that, it also hangs on the machine's trust of their ability to manipulate the one. it's what allows neo to finally end the cycle in the third movie. pic rel is my interpretation of it1/2
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>>221205634>blacks exist therefore god cannot exist.Never refuted.
