Does anyone else feel like they have to defend this shit movie from criticism because it's disliked by dumb zoomers who only saw the remake and think it's shit for the wrong reasons
>pretend
>>221217050The movie was really good last time I saw it. The only shitty part is the fact that it runs out of time and decides to just speed through the story in it's second half. My zoomer brain loved it. This and Ronin are probably the most soulful movies ever made.
SPICEDIVER CUT is great. Theatrical cut is ass that Universal dictated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faHQA_0d9Mo
>>221217253Scene from the workprint which is not present anywhere else, not even Spicediver. One wonder what other scenes the workprint has.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbaYiWE3Ttkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhWQY06zxeY
There's a remake of Dune?
Spicediver Cut is closest we're ever, or so far, gonna get to the Director's Cut of Lynch's Dune.>*While Lynch never specifically refers to the new cut in these early 80s interviews as a “director’s cut” — the term had not yet become formally associated with the post-theatrical video version preferred by the director over the theatrical release — I will be terming it as such from this point forward.>The earliest source I’ve found on this is a Variety article by Richard Gold. According to it, Lynch was somewhat disappointed with how Universal promoted Dune at the time it came out in theaters and was now crediting home video with improving the film’s reception. This, in addition to his feeling that the theatrical version simply wasn’t long enough, was a rationale behind his interest in releasing a longer cut.>“Lynch feels subsequent homevideo exposure for “ Dune “ has resulted in the film “getting a better reputation,” and he also believes the 140-minute running time was not sufficient to do justice to the story. He reveals serious plans are in the works to release a four-hour videocassette version of “ Dune,” which will present a radically different version of the film, he says.”https://fanfare.pub/david-lynch-4-hour-dune-1986-9306d41b7f1e
>>221217271>"The rough cut of Dune without post-production effects ran over four hours long, but Lynch's intended cut of the film (as reflected in the seventh and final draft of the script) was almost three hours long. Universal and the film's financiers expected a standard, two-hour cut of the film. Dino De Laurentiis, his daughter Raffaella and Lynch excised numerous scenes, filmed new scenes that simplified or concentrated plot elements and added voice-over narrations, plus a new introduction by Virginia Madsen. Contrary to rumor, Lynch made no other version besides the theatrical cut. A television version was aired in 1988 in two parts totaling 186 minutes; it replaced Princess Irulan's opening monologue with a much longer description of the setting that used concept art stills. Lynch disavowed this version and had his name removed from the credits, Alan Smithee being credited instead. This version (without recap and second credit roll) has occasionally been released on DVD as Dune: Extended Edition. Several longer versions have been spliced together. Although Universal has approached Lynch for a possible director's cut, Lynch has declined every offer and prefers not to discuss Dune in interviews." It is such a shame the TV cut they made behind Lynch's back essentially killed his desire to make a real director's cut. Not until the final years of his life he was again showing interest in doing it, but I guess no one at Universal or de Laurentiis estate were interested in it.
>>221217289>AVC: Some notable filmmakers have returned to their works years later with re-edits, because just as a viewer’s relationship to a piece of art can change over time, so too can a creator’s. Was a new narrative cut something you ever considered with Inland Empire?>DL: No. But Dune—people have said, “Don’t you want to go back and fiddle with Dune?” And I was so depressed and sickened by it, you know? I want to say, I loved everybody that I worked with; they were so fantastic. I loved all the actors; I loved the crew; I loved working in Mexico; I loved everything except that I didn’t have final cut. And I even loved Dino [De Laurentiis], who wouldn’t give me what I wanted [laughs]. And Raffaella, the producer, who was his daughter—I loved her. But the thing was a horrible sadness and failure to me, and if I could go back in I’ve thought, well, maybe I would on that one go back in.>AVC: Really?>DL: Yeah, but I mean, nobody’s…it’s not going to happen.>AVC: Well that’s interesting, because in the past you were always much less open to it.>David Lynch: Yeah, I wanted to walk away. I always say, and it’s true, that with Dune, I sold out before I finished. It’s not like there’s a bunch of gold in the vaults waiting to be cut and put back together. It’s like, early on I knew what Dino wanted and what I could get away with and what I couldn’t. And so I started selling out, and it’s a sad, sad, pathetic, ridiculous story. But I would like to see what is there. I can’t remember, that’s the weird thing [laughs]. I can’t remember. And so it might be interesting—there could be something there. But I don’t think it’s a silk purse. I know it’s a sow’s ear.https://www.avclub.com/david-lynch-inland-empire-interview-dune-restoration-1848795394
Very good making of docu The Sleeper Must Awaken: Making Dune, which can be effectively viewed as a sequel to Jodorowsky's Dune documentary.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAo9ceCIwY
>>221217322Older Dune Impressions documentary where Raffaella de Laureentis lies about bunch of stuff, like there not being enough footage for a 4 hour cut.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSA79XHMBFo
>>221217050The theatrical cut is shit tho.
>>221217050I prefer the overall aesthetic of the movie, feels actually alien and exotic compared to Villeneuve's boring look.It also makes a better job at conveying the story, if you didn't read the book, you don't even understand why the spice is so important in the new one. The part 1 is so slow and explains shit all
>>221217382>I prefer the overall aesthetic of the movie, feels actually alien and exotic compared to Villeneuve's boring look.This!
>>221217050I just like the movie.
david lynch is a hack
ok ok I get it, I'll check out this spicediver cut>>221217382more than one of my friends asked me for info after the first movie since they were confused and they knew that I had read the books
I don't know what it is with Villeneuve's films, but I never rewatch them. I mean they're really good but.
>>221217050not convinced anyone watched dunc, what people hate about lynch dune is herbert.
>>221217050I've always been a big fan of Dune. Yes its flawed, and the ending is funny because the theme is completely opposite of the book. That being said, there are a lot of things that are absolutely top tier about dune. 1) The Cast - not much to say, its just a great slice of world class actors and lynch regulars (it took me YEARS to realize Stilgar is Big Ed, or Nefud is Jack Nance). I think Kyle mclaughlin was a good cast as Paul since he nails that naive boyishness you need for paul especially in the beginning. 2) The Music - the toto score is perfect for a big sweeping space opera. I listen to that shit on its own. 3) Voice Overs - so much of the book is dialogue and internal monologue, and I appreciate that they kept the dreamy weird voiceover to handle direct exposition. 4) The Production Design - Absolutely top tier. Watch the movie and just pause any random scene and look at the sets. Castle Caladan's interior is all carved out of hard wood, you feel like you're in the heart of a ship. The keep in arakeen is just gorgeous, all that sandstone, red marble, and the practical lighting from those salt lamps (I know they're new age horse shit, but I fucking love that warm diffuse glowing light they give off). The emperor's throne room is another great one. The design of the navigators is awesome. And of course the costumes are all amazing, and I still think the still suits look cool as shit. When I read the dune books so much of the world is informed by the lynch movie. It is definitely flawed, and I understand why Lynch was always disappointed with the production fiasco, but it has a lot of good things going for it, like Sting wearing leather panties in a steam room saying that HE WILL KILL MUAD'DIB!
>>221218520>they were confused and they knew that I had read the booksThe movie lasts 3 hours and it barely presents the universe, it's quite a feat
>>221217308I was born in the early 80's and grew up with the golden age of special effects. I remember discovery channel had a whole show dedicated to showing how all these effects were done. It was called Movie Magic, and had footage from ILM, KNB, and rhythm and hues. It was my DREAM to grow up to be one of those guys, and one of my biggest disappointments was how that was all abandoned by the film industry and replaced with CGI. When they made the death star in ANH they just drove to every hobby shop in a hundred miles and bought every single battle ship model kit, and proceeded to kitbash the ever loving shit out of it to cover several ping pong tables with a greebled death star surface. How is that not the coolest fucking thing in the world as a kid.
>>221217253I don't understand why whoever is in charge of distribution doesn't just BUY the spice diver edit and sell it as the official version.
>>221217050No, I've never felt that I HAVE to defend anything from criticism.I will, however, defend it and many other things against unjustified criticism.It is, of course, a much better film than the Villeneuve shit in pretty much all regards. People pretending that DUNC has the better acting is particularly infuriating. And of course, Lynch's work is magnitudes better on a technical level. Also: It's true that studio interferrence really soured Lynch on it, but that doesn't mean that Lynch hated working on it. The filming reportedly was a great experience for cast and crew, and it was the start of many friendships with actors for Lynch, who would later appear in his films again.>>221217253>SPICEDIVER CUT is great.Sorry, anon. But simply including everything you have is not a serious attempt at a cut. It's autism and completely ruins the flow of a film. Had Lynch himself gotten final cut, there's no doubt he'd have ended up cutting a lot of the material, just like he did for many of his other films. Just look at the Fire Walk With Me deleted scenes - there's more than an hour of them, and some are really great. But you simply cannot include them all in the film and still have a cohesive end result.
>>221218848I get that it's hard to estabilish the Dune setting to someone that knows nothing about it but on first watch I felt that the movie needed to have less pew pew and more talky talk.Nowadays intros with narration are frowned upon thanks to cinema sins and other reddit pretentiousness but maybe it would have been helpful in this case. The book kinda throws you into its universe as well but it has the luxury of having more time to unravel everything and you get to read the thoughts of the main characters rather than just starting at an enigmatic scowl
>>221217308kino
>>221217050I thought it was shit and never saw the remake. My reasons don't have to be justified because you'll tell me I'm wrong either way. Deal with the fact that not everyone will bow down to suck lynchs dick over this movie.
>>221217050Not per se. It'll shift for itself.
>>221219040Yeah but they cut a lot of shit and exposition from the book and I'm still trying to wrap my mind how it still fills slow and empty. I don't know I think it's just the script was super weak and the dialogues failed to expose a lot of things in a natural way, and the few times it comes it feels forced.
>>221217050I feel free from defending it because Lynch didn't even want his name on it, but it is obviously better than the new ones.
>>221217050Don't worry anon epic based zoomers like me like it and can grasp why it came out the way it did Jokes aside though DUNC is amazing if you read the books, the problems I have with it are probably gonna be worsened by the third movie and Chani really should be white but overall it's gonna be a trilogy that stays rewatchable for years and years Rewatching 1985 2nite cause of your thread :3
>>221217227Ronin with Al Pacino? Fuck I loved that one
It's on /tv/'s patrician list so you should defend it for that reason
>>221219798>Lynch didn't even want his name on itFalse. He didn't want his name on one specific version. The theatrucak cut has his name in the credits, and prominently so.
This was unironically Lynch's only good movie. Everything else was pretentious shit ass diarrhea pseud-bait
>>221220953Have you tried Star Wars? I think that might be more up your alley.
>>221217050I really like the old Dune movie the music is great and baron Harkonnen is so gross it get stuck in your memory great villain.I think it suffers from too much information instead if too little, wojld be be a worse adaptation? Yes, would it be a more watchable movie? Also yes.
>>221218772>3) Voice Overs - so much of the book is dialogue and internal monologue, and I appreciate that they kept the dreamy weird voiceover to handle direct exposition.No, that was shitty and clunkyI'd rather have an audience surrogate being explained everything rather than random monologues while characters look into the distance
>>221221727That comedy bit were he goes around saying WTF is a wookie like he is the straight man to George crazy, like he didn't put even weirder and dummer stuff in his movies.
>>221221943>>221221973You really don't understand surrealism, do you? Not even the very on-the-nose kind that Lynch uses.
>>221221890>rather than random monologueMan, you must REALLY hate Shakespeare then, I guess.
>>221217050i don’t give a shit what others think so i don’t waste time convincing others. you should try it. very relaxing.
Reading book 3 rn and i like it better than #2 so far
>>221222057Soliloquies are Aaron Sorkin tier exposition devices
>>221222067Beef swelling
>>221222043People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, yes I know he was a surrealist, so what?
>>221222210>I know he was a surrealist, so what?The point is that surrealism has a legitimate reason to include, as you put it, "weirder and dummer stuff".George Lucas never even tried to be surrealist. Star Wars is as straight-laced in its plot-realism as it gets. There's no reason to include anything weird here, because there's no meaning to something being weird in Star Wars.
>>221221872>I think it suffers from too much information instead if too littleThese endless sequels we have now weren't really such a thing back then. It was already an enormous movie and he had to cut a ton. I think he did a great job with what he had, and even ended it on a great spot. Shouldn't have had the rain though. Still, there's nothing wrong with lots of information. They ruined cinema by dumbing it down and making it only cater to the lowest common denomator, stupidest of the audience level. Not every movie has to be only for morons and low effort viewers.
all adaptations of Dune have been some flavor of bad partly this is because none of them understand Dune's allusions and symbolism, and I'm sure the writers involved with each of them wouldn't have been able to depict them in a sophisticated way even if they did
>>221222916Well, Frank Herbert disagrees with you.Then again, unlike you, he seemed to have a very good understanding of how different the language of film is to the language of literature, and where it gains to make up for what it loses.
>>221222092Lol not sure if i should know wtf this means
>>221222989You'll get it once you finish Book 3
>>221222916Dune itself is quite bad. It's a pretty terrible, meandering slop of a story. It needs HEAVY contrived nonsense to even make the plot work. There's a reason why no one ever bothers adapting anything past the first book. It quickly veers off into stupidity with no point to it.
>>221223012No actually the sequels are better and the plot of the first book is literally Hamlet in space. It's not contrived but it takes like 100 pages for anything to happen.
>>221223000Did you like it or no? How did you feel about messiah?
>>221223117Messiah is better
>>221223012>It needs HEAVY contrived nonsense to even make the plot work.That's true for pretty much every story ever told.
>>221217227You just described the book
>>221223153SON OF A BITCH
>>221217050This movie was universally hated by you faggots and just recently became a beloved classic because you must hate the new one out of contrarian tard rageI've always thought it was good especially the acting performances from the classically trained shakespearean actors, but it supposedly doesn't capture the absurdists aesthetic from the book, but the tv series did a better job of allegedly but looked too stupid to me
>>221223225>This movie was universally hated by you faggotsWrong/tv/ has always loved David Lunch
>>221223153Also did you read book 4?
>>221223225You're thinking of DUNC. That's the universally hated trash movie. Everyone has loved and praised Dune 1984 since 4chan started.
>>221223317Yes, it's fairly boring but people pretend to like it. It has some neat ideas that unironically make you think though.
>>221223303>>221223324Dune threads on this board a decade ago all shit on the 1984 version, lynch's dune was universally reviled and you faggots would pine over what we missed by not getting jardoworsky version or however you spell his name
>>221223327Is it possible some people really do like it because of the neat ideas or is it truly that fucking awful?
>>221223324not even enough interest in dunc to hate it, beyond memes>>221223368jodo's dune was always a meme, you would know this if you watched film
>>221223368>Dune threads on this board a decade ago all shit on the 1984 version, lynch's dune was universally reviledOK fag, you can check for yourself>go to 4plebs>search "dune" in filename>sort by oldest>oldest thread is literally calling it the greatest movie of all timeNot saying it was universally loved but it wasn't universally reviled eitherMuch like 90% of movies on /tv/
>>221223379meme or not, that's what dune threads on this board were up until dunc released
>>221223389cherry picked a 27 reply thread to try and support your gotcha revisionism, pathetic
>>221223368Why do you Villanova fags, who only appeared here when Bladerunner 2 became a meme and never went to a Dune thread before DUNC, always get so uppity when other people talk about things you know nothing about?
>>221223410You said it was "universally" reviledI just demonstrated it wasn'tIt's actually the same response as most people who saw it - some loved it, others hated itI think everyone can agree it's a very polarizing movie
>>221217050Never really understood the hate for this film. I read the reception section of its wiki article and the critics mostly blamed the story for being confusing, which I don't agree with at all, and no I haven't read the novels.
>>221217050looks like aotc
>>221223414>>221223433I liked the Lynch Dune versionI'm just telling you that the same attitude you are exhibiting towards me was the attitude in every Dune thread saying the Lynch version was shit, it's just head scratching and extremely jarring to see the board sentiment flip like this
>>221222984false, though not worth thoroughly disproving since you would never accept that you're wrongand if you read the books carefully (well, it's actually fairly obvious), and his non-fiction essays, you'll see that he was very much against outright explanation of its contents; that is, he wanted the reader to figure out its depths for himselffurthermore, he did not even keep a good accounting of all the material he borrowed and incorporated into Dune: you can see evidence of this in his interview with Willis McNelly, and again in his non-fiction writing>>221223012>Dune itself is quite baddescribe the book's references to Roman antiquity, and its references to the Bible that are not direct quotesas I'm sure you can't, you should re-evaluate your ability to understand what you think you've read
>>221223529It hasn't flipped thoughLook at this thread - most people who like it still agree it has massive flaws, and some are outright calling it total shitIt's the same sentiment as in the older threads - very polarized
>>221223553>describe the book's references to Roman antiquitydo u mean greek
>>221217050this is a great movie for the first 60 minutes and the scene where he fights sting
>>221223591no, I quite pointedly don't
>>221223639do u mean it bluntly then
>>221223529>I'm just telling youYou're telling absolute bullshit, as several people have already demonstrated sufficiently.
>>221217073>and kaaaazooooo
>>221223660yes
>>221223553>false, though not worth thoroughly disprovingKek. Herbert is literally on record repeatedly stating how much he loved the film, and how much the visual language impressed him, even though it differed from his own imagination.He loved talking it over with Lynch, he visited the set multiple times and loved hanging with the cast.The reason you're not trying to "disprove" any of that is because you simply cannot.>he was very much against outright explanation of its contents; that is, he wanted the reader to figure out its depths for himselfFunny. Sounds a whole lot like Lynch's own approach to storytelling. But, let me guess, you somehow think that the Dune film "explained" too much by ... adding in the monologues and loredump narrations the book itself featured quite prominently?
>>221217050That movie is a huge pile of shit in the second half.But honestly. the first half is better than the new dune movies.It just falls apart real bad.
>>221223738>Herbert is literally on record repeatedly statingHerbert lied quite often, and this was in the final years of his life where all he wanted was money. Do you suppose he would promote the movie by saying>yep, it's a steaming pile that's nothing like the bookget real>Funny. Sounds a whole lot like Lynch's own approach to storytelling. But, let me guess, you somehow think that the Dune film "explained" too much by ... adding in the monologues and loredump narrations the book itself featured quite prominently?impressively, fractally wrongLynch has a bizarre cult of personality that is wildly out of proportion with his talents as a filmmakerany and all of the Dune films don't 'explain too much'; they simply have no idea how to present ideas symbolically or to layer references elegantly, either visually or with dialogueI'd tell you to go watch The Big Lebowski and try to figure out all of its references to other films, but instead you'd just resort to mockery because you don't know what you don't know, yet feel supremely confident in your ignorance
>>221223869>Herbert liedIf your fucking argument boils down to this, you've already given up.>fractally wrongWhat's that even supposed to mean? Do you even know what a fractal is?Either way, it's not wrong in any way. Lynch famously always denied even commenting on his films' interpretations. That you do not know that disqualifies you from this debate.
>>221223869>you don't know what you don't knowWatchu know bout unknown unknowns?>What's that even supposed to mean? Do you even know what a fractal is?Lol. Watchu know bout dem fractals boi?
>>221217050Would be Irulan’s concubine.
>>221223947>not allowed to call someone a liar who has every reason to lie and can be shown to have done so elsewherethis disqualifies you from being worth responding to further>What's that even supposed to mean?it means that at every level of analysis you manage to be wrong in self-similar ways>Lynch famously always denied even commenting on his films' interpretationsThis is a rather finer pointRefusing to explain post-hoc is not directly related to his skill at representing ideas in film, the construction of the film, or the actual contents of the film, which are the things that actually constitute the storytelling
>>221224009Are you retarded or just high on coke?Anyway, next time reply to the right post, not your own.
>>221224161Niggas be wylin
Never watched Dunc or Lynchune. Only read the first book. I am an enlightened being.
>>221224151>not allowed to call someone a liar who has every reason to lieLynch didn't feel the need to lie about his disappointments with the final film. Neither did De Laurentiis, the producer and the one who would have had most to gain from lying about it.Yet Herbert, who'd get his royalties anyway, supposedly is the one who lied? Really?>at every level of analysis you manage to be wrong in self-similar waysHoly shit, you're fucking retarded.>not directly related to his skill at representing ideas in filmExcept it is, which you'd realize had you ever seen one of his films.
>>221224203>Lynch cultist furiously jerks himself while shouting 'Everyone's retarded except me'thanks for the laugh
>>221224240>Lynch cultistBelieve what you will.At least I don't need to accuse authors of lying because I cannot cope with them disagreeing with me.
I'm surprised the TCG hasn't been mentioned lately since zoomers love retro shit and apparently, Dune too.
I dig it. The poster inspired my book.
>>221217050I still prefer it to the modern version, though my first viewing of it was a fan edit that grafted in some deleted scenes.
>>221224358>Mark ZugI think he might be my favorite Dune artist. He took influenced from basically all the concept art then available for Dune - Lynch, Jodorowsky, Schoenherr.But I find it funny how his Jessica looks so much like Rebecca Ferguson.
>>221224358>>221225067Meant to post this
>>221225067bro looks like he got squished by a lorry
>>221225077Doesn't look anywhere close to Rebecca Ferguson though.
>>221225094The Baron sat on him
>>221225109Looks more like Rebecca Ferguson than Francesca Annis, that's for sure
