last time, on doctor who general: >>221203771
Greenis!
>>221221665Series 1 was written atrociously>farting aliens>deus ex machina conclusionThe difference was Christopher Eccleston was a good actor whereas Tennant can only do teeth acting.
shitty unrelated op
What would Rose do 10 regenerated into Peter Capaldi at the end of the Stolen Earth?
>>221221733Series 1 is kind of obviously one of the best. TEC/TDD remains unbeatable. I watch it at least once a week. Omnibus edit.
>>221221690>>221221738Fucked up the pic, sorry.
>>221221733>Filtered by the SlitheenBoom Town is an all time great.
>>221221733i cant take fags like you seriously ever since I found out you consider the silence to be good writing
>>221221769Big fan and even I would say it's more fun than actually sort of all-time, it's not actually superb but it can be a lot of fun in a nice low-budget way. Innuendo Squad FTW!
>>221221783I have literally no idea what the fuck you're talking about, I hate Moffat Who equally but for entirely different reasons to the ones I hate RTD.
>>221221834Silence plan is SHIT.
MAVITY!
Was Isaac Newton really a nafri?
>>221221879>I think they've forgotten the mavity of the situation
>>221221879That never went anywhere, it just happened and that was it.>>221221918Series 6 picture + Series 5 quote = fuck off.
>>221221914a bame
>>221221873I'm not objecting. Your fault is assuming anyone who criticises RTD1 must love Moffat. Both were full of shit, but they were both infinitely better than Chibnall and RTD2.
>>221221961BAME?
>>221221965I actually do prefer RTD2 to Chibs although that is a minority view for now. Chibs adoration will increase over the next few years. But to call RTD1 and Moff rubbish is a bit naff, I mean what, do you only praise the Classic Series really, or just watch everything in misery and joyless contempt?
Why exactly are so many episodes based around going to 1950s/1960s America and decrying the racism and segregation of the time there?Britain didn't have Jim Crow laws. Is it trying to make Britons feel bad for the sins of America OR gloating that Britain was far more tolerant than them?
>>221221960Bit mean.
>>221221999Big American audience and why not? They can go anywhere, it's only Britain mostly because it's made there. "So many episodes" - there's two.
>>221221994What does that mean?
>every day since January 1, 2010>bring back Tennant bring back Tennant I'm not watching the show again until Tennant is back in the role>November 25, 2023>grizzled old Tennant returns and gets femsplained at by a tranny>everyone shuts upI pissed myself laughing
>>221221998Chibnall was more boring, R2D had more kino moments.
>>221221998You've misread my post entirely.RTD1 and Moffat were full of shit, God Tennant, Moffatisms, but everything other than those was good.I would also rate RTD2 above Chibnall, but solely because they had a few redeeming episodes with interesting concepts, like Boom. Chibnall is just wholly unwatchable, I don't remember a single scene, let alone an entire episode I enjoyed.
>>221222026Bring back Tennant bring back Tennant I'm not watching the show again until Tennant is back in the role
>>221221999That's only Rosa IIRC. Even Lux uses the concept to signal that they're trapped in an alt reality instead of anything serious.
>>221222012>They can go anywhere
>>221221999https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Piv3kiKptj8At least someone liked it.
>>221222036Village of the Angels was good until it remembered it had to be a part of Flux.
>>221221999British school children know more about MLK and civil rights than they do about the development of rights in the UK. Not joking, that is how the curriculum is.
There were 2 episodes in Manhatten in series 3 and there was no racism in it, even with a black companion.
>>221222036"full of" can mean "entirely composed of", which is how I interpreted the writing, rather than "containing lots of". By that reckoning, Series 1 is perfect except for the actual best story. Still, thanks for the clarification.
>>221222094>the development of rights in the UKNo point teaching them given they're actively trying to get rid of them as much as possible.>wank loicences became real
>>221222122Your post is a numerical palindrome. It reads the same forwards and backwards.
>>221222074Why hasn't he gone to South America yet?
>>221222094Prove it.>>221222122Was a little bit. And that's a good thing.
You do gradually begin to realise how RTD has bullshitted his way through his whole career. The man just says things.
>>221222151Your brain is on the autism spectrum, It has trouble understanding social situations.
>>221222094To be fair, that's more just a result of not teaching much about that kind of thing in the UK. Back when I was in school I remember history just being things like the Battle of Hastings and World War 2
>>221222190The only kind of racism there was in that episode was a Dalek saying an african american man has low intelligence.
>>221222094the only stuff relating to america in the curriculum i was taught was the lend lease actif you were to go by the curriculum you'd be tricked into thinking america was a mere footnote in history
>>221221960Mavity was mentioned at least twice more. In Wild Blue Yonder and The Church on Ruby Road, possibly more, I can't remember.
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>>221222230I actually made a little joke edit about that yesterday, when he says "You callin' me stoopid?"
>>221222190https://theconversation.com/study-shows-uk-school-textbooks-teach-a-highly-simplified-version-of-us-civil-rights-movement-144319
>>221221733Series 1 was cringekino. The writing, props and dialogue are so bad it's funny. At least it has a few good episodes, and the bad episodes are just bad, rather than intentionally designed to insult you
>>221222241So?
>>221222237>if you were to go by the curriculum you'd be tricked into thinking america was a mere footnote in historyAs it should be. Why should anyone need to know what's going on in the colonies?
>>221222265Doesn't prove they're not teaching the other stuff as well. Lol one source
>>221222265>we need to learn moreJesus Christ, how much is there to possibly know? Americans were backwards retards who kept slaves around for too long, and then suffered the consequences. End of.
>>221222190>Prove it.This is a link to BBC Bitesize, the BBC programme for students. There are various exam boards with links to revision help. GCSE's are the qualification you get before leaving school at 16 (you can then move on to A-Levels at 17/18 then onto university after). AQA and Edexcel are the largest exam bodies.https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/zj26n39>AQA: Civil Rights taught.>CCEA: Civil Rights taught.>EDexcel: Civil Rights taught.>Eduqas: Some focus on British political history but US Civil Rights still taught.>OCR A: Civil Rights taught.>OCR B About the only one without that focus.>WJEC: Teaches more 1920s US history.Out of 7 education boards, 5 have it taught as a focus.
>>221222312I did GCSEs, I am from the UK. But I never learnt about that stuff, and I did History, it was about World War 2, medicine, trench warfare, the cold war, Eliz the First mostly.
>>221222296>prove it>proves it>"lol one source?"
>>221222338I actually did learn about MLK because I took RE as a doss session, and they snuck it in there.You know, the religion of MLK.
>>221222342I'm an expert in changing the subject, RTD is the best showrunner.
>>221222251What did she mean by this?
>>221222312You pick your GCSEs in the UK, is it any surprise that GCSE History would have more world history in it when it's something that students elect to study?
>>221222277>rather than intentionally designed to insult youHow so?
>>221222374No but it should primarily be about the UK. Another example of the terrible influence of the US destroying so much of this beloved nation.
>>221222383Something a male presenting timelord would never understand.
>>221222309What were the consequences?
>>221222383Plastic Mikey was silly and low budgetTennant getting dressed down by girlbosses for not being trans enough is a deliberate attack on the viewer
>>221222401some bint throwing a tanty over a bus seat
>>221221733Tennant was a good actor. You can shit on the scripts all you want but he had range.
>>221222407It's just a lil joke bit for funsies and representation. Takes up 30 seconds. 4channers always get caught up in nonsense that the general public don't think about once.
>>221222338I am from the UK too and I was taught about it. Like I said, Civil Rights was taught by a majority of exam boards. >>221222237See: >>221222312>>221222212Specific UK history taught (not just world history, WW2 etc). >AQA: health, migration/empire.>CCEA: Northern Ireland>Edexcel: Tudors/Stuarts, crime and punishment, medicine.>Eduqas: Tudors/Stuarts, crime and punishment, health and medicine.>OCR A: migration to Britain.>OCR B: tudors/stuarts, crime and punishment, health, migration to Britain.>WJEC: Elizabethan age, depression/war, crime and punishment, health and medicine.>>221222374Your pick subjects but a lot of people may have to do at least one humanity. The world history tends to be focused on specific things (USA, WW2, Germany). Whilst the British topics are focused heavily on migration, crime and punishment and health. Not political topics. So statistically more likely for someone to be taught about Civil Rights than British political history at 16 when compulsory schooling ends. That is the simple point I am making, British children are more likely to understand and know about the development of Civil Rights than how politics developed in the country. Now I am not saying if it is right or wrong, simply starting that this is the case. Most people are simply sharing their anecdotal experience of school, but the major exam boards do teach Civil Rights/US history for the test.
>>221222388The UK has throughout all history been a force of evil and almost all modern conflicts can be traced back to it either directly or indirectly. Israel, radical Islam, the trans-atlantic slave trade in the first place, the proliferation of international finance and debt slavery, there is nary a problem in the world today that can not be immediately traced back to der ewige anglo. The world would be an infinitely better place had we never existed.
>>221222452The "general public" get pissed and switch off the tv. You're out of touch.
>>221221733Rose has a lot of profound dialogue in S1In S2 she's more of a bimbo
>>221222465>Not political topics.I mean, they are political, but not purely about political development.
>>221222465Weird cos I wasn't and I would've thought I did them more recently than you. I guess I can't ask when you did, maybe when it was first introduced.
>>221222481>WeKike-kun...you're not fooling anybody
>>221222481t. butthurt Jerries
>>221222481>the trans-atlantic slave trade>transKeeps cropping up.
>>221222481The British empire is the greatest civilisation to ever exist
>>221222550Correct.
>>221222550The US empire is a bollocks sequel, all things considered>Duuuuuuh! We drop bombs on people for freedumb!>Uhhhhhhh, we're taking you over because otherwise duh commies would do it! yeah, that's it!>Stop building nukes! Only we're allowed nukes! We're going to collapse your government now even though you weren't building nukes!
>>221222496>maybe when it was first introduced.US history since it became a primary focus in history education has always had at least some lessons on Civil Rights. It used to be rolled into some general 60s/"changing times" type lesson before becoming a lesson in and of itself. And plenty of the exam boards have had questions on it at GCSE level. Then as a topic at A-level.. Many universities, even smaller former polytechniques, have it as a subject too for history degrees.>I would've thought I did them more recently than youI mean, based on what? Weird assumption.I think a lot of people are bringing certain anecdotal biases into this question, based on what they did, what they remember. I mean my anecdotal experience is that most people I know could tell you about MLK and I have a dream, but would struggle to talk about UK based movements outside of maybe Suffragettes. It is what it is. My point still stands that a lot of people can tell you about general world history (USA, Germany, WW2) and things like Civil Rights but would struggle to tell you much about the UK outside of WW2 and Tudors/Stuarts, maybe some Victorians or those newer broader looks at migration, health or crime (but they are pretty general over centuries type lessons).
>>221222465I think it's worth teaching Civil Rights, it's American but if you want to teach about a rights movement your two main options are Civil Rights or the Suffragettes, one is more relevant to the UK's history but the other is more relevant to now. Taking a look at the CCEA past papers though, I don't like how much general American history there is. Do UK students really need to learn about prohibition and how the Native Americans were discriminated against?
>>221222603Ok.
>>221222550Incorrect.
>>221222550Very true, sir.
>>221222603Most people can mention I have a dream not because of history lessons but because of America's cultural exports affecting us. I think the problem for the UK is that we're irrelevant on the world stage now. If you want to teach about recent history there's not much to say about us after World War 2.
A lot of right-wingers get confused about why shows are full of "the message™", they think it's unironic indoctrination, but that isn't it at all. It's all pure engagement bait. Writers can't come up with compelling stories or narratives which was the traditional method of attracting an audience, so what's the alternative? You put in as much content designed to get people talking as possible, that's free advertisement.About the pronouns sequence in question, actual Trans people and allies hated it. They desperately want to move away from the trope of being grammar policing busybodies scolding you. That's not representative of their actual lived experience or the world they want to live in. So was this scene for them? No, of course it wasn't. They actively hated it. RTD doesn't understand the trans community, but he knows it promotes engagement, which is the only thing the show has anymore.90% of RTD2 was just trying to farm engagement, from bringing back Sutekh and Susan, clips designed to be viral like duggadoo and the meep, and then of course rage-bait moments like the male presenting timelord, pronouns, twirling in a kilt, it was all designed to get you talking about the product.Doctor Who hasn't had a story to tell since Capaldi. The difference between Chibnall and RTD2 is Chibnall simply rested on its laurels with no story, RTD2 also has no story, but it drives itself through engagement farming content to get responses. Both are as vapid and void as each other.
>>221222640>Do UK students really need to learn about prohibition and how the Native Americans were discriminated against?In my experience a lot of British people can give you the last two centuries of generalised US history as well as US presidents but you ask them to name the last century of British PMs and they have more of an issue.For me it is just weird because the UK feels like a little USA in some social issues. We had big marches for George Floyd and BLM that were allowed even with covid lockdowns.Meanwhile Sarah Everard, a British woman who was raped/murdered by a police officer in 2021, had marches and events in her name cancelled on the basis of covid restrictions. >>221222717Of course it is a very famous speech and it is pretty obvious that it is mostly because of US culture exports. But it is still simply true that compulsory schooling has a big focus on US history that mentions specific topics whilst British topics on similar subjects are lacking. >there's not much to say about us after World War 2Plenty to say about decline and where the current problems have come from.
>>221222717Let's have another war!
>>221222751Because the US is big and important and fun whereas the UK is cloudy and miserable.
>>221222751I can name Thatcher, and everyone since Thatcher, and Churchill, and that's about it.
>>221222717There's the ugly reality to confront that Britain was SO successful that a significant portion of its best and brightest simply left to the Commonwealth territories. No other colonial power actually has this problem as their territories were all extractive shitholes
>>221222789ATLEE
>>221222809Is that a person?
>>105094216Final Neo post.
>>221222818Referenced in TToI 3.8 in reference to Capaldi.
>>221222338>>221222312I did A-level history and it was USA 1890 to 1945, Nazi Germany, British politics 1945 to I do not fully remember (maybe very early Blair), and then some project thing we had to research and write originally yet we basically got given a list of topics to consider by the teacher. My memory on GCSE history is vague, but something about middle ages England, the Vietnam War, and the Rwandan genocide I have memories of during high school period. My A-level would have been in the early-2010s. The American history and British politics in A-level may have been reflective of how my A-level history teacher had spend several years living in the USA and how he was also was the teacher for A-level politics.
>>221222309America enjoys a far more sophisticated, dynamic, and influential society today. Are you a backwards retard for not knowing that.
>>221222717>I think the problem for the UK is that we're irrelevant on the world stage now. If you want to teach about recent history there's not much to say about us after World War 2.There is plenty but, it is just about managed decline and declined that was not actually all that managed.
>>221222748>engagementBut engagement with no one watching or supporting is rather pointless. Just feels like there is never anyone to course correct.RTD2's problem is simply that the audience for Who has shrank, his formula is old hat and he is talking to his hyper specific audience bubble. And what makes it hilarious is, he wrote that episode Dot and Bubble pricesely because he is aware of algorithms and bubbles but isn't self aware enough to realise his own.>>221222783Miserable sure, we still made Doctor Who at least.>>221222789>I can nameThe main ones UK people can name: Keir, Blair (Iraq), Bojo (other recent tories to make jokes), Thatcher (milk snatcher), Churchill (WW2) at a push maybe David Lloyd George (WW1), Neville Chamberlain (appeasement), Atlee (OUR NHS). https://youtu.be/I4o7YUTbKlQMeanwhile in my experience most people can name a good chunk of US presidents.>>221222864That seems like a pretty standard spread although a lot of US history ends up being post-WW2.
>>221222865Ah yes, the inventors of "white people are bad" mythos, that they exported to the rest of the world because *they* had slaves, after the rest of us had decided that wasn't really on, actually, and then *they* had segregation because of all of the slaves they had previously kept.
>>221222465>are focused heavily on migration>Not political topics20 years ago the only 'migration' we were taught was romans/saxons/viking/normans. i get the feeling these days its going to include lots of bs about niggers building Britainon civil rights we were taught magna carter, chartism and suffragettes
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>>221222748RTD hated duggadoo.
>>221222717You can talk about Argentina.
>>221222865You're thinking of America 70 years ago. It's been taken over by Jews since then, had all skills and competency surgically removed from public and private sectors and now has no real relevance other than being a laughingstock and the world's piggy bank.
>>221222958>piggySERIES 9 IS PIGSHIT
>>221222932>Not political topicsI explained and corrected myself here:>>221222494>I mean, they are political, but not purely about political development.I meant to say, they are not about pure development of the British political system over the centuries. They are obviously politicised subjects about modern revisionism.
>>221222941I said in the early-2010s for my A-level. Surely you can read that and work your way back from there for when I would have roughly done my GCSE.
>>221222969At least you're not a vampire.
>>221222977Didn't see that, thanks. I suppose we just had quite different syllabuses.
doctor who?
>>221223008Fuck off.
>>221222748He was wearing a kilt not a skirt.
>>221223008>Doctor Who is about time travel>Doctor Who ignores a LOT of history to talk about the same things
I liked the doctor who reboot1-7Season 8 is so bad that you can skip it completelythen season 9 is great with 'Heaven sent.'and then season 10 is the worst writing I've ever seen a TV show take. Retconning lore, retarded storylines, and characters.>Doctor who has always been badThey should have just rebooted it again instead of continuing like they had. Every storyline that was established and started in the early seasons was answered. Literally all storylines we're wrapped up.And then they kept inventing new shit for S10 onward.
>>221222921US Presidents I can name:Washington, Lincoln, I think there was one called Hoover? Woodrow Wilson, I think there was one called Garfiled? FDR, Kennedy, Nixon, Lyndon B Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George Bush (the first one), George W Bush, Obama, Trump, Sleepy Joe.So yeah, probably more than I can name PMs.
>>221223026Actually 6 is the first shit one beyond any doubt. 8's not so bad. And 10 is an improvement.>loreAh, thanks, now I know to ignore what you wrote.
>>221223026>>221223054All better than series 2.
>>221223050Your autism group misses you.
>Pigshit
>>221223071Most of that's just absorbed through osmosis from The Simpsons.
>>221223083No one asked, autist.
>>221223098Don't care. You weren't saying anything interesting.
Series 2 is pigshit.
>>221222921People can name American presidents because of us playing US games and watching US movies and TV shows where they're brought up. Futurama has probably ensured that Nixon is going to live on for a long time. The UK just doesn't have as much of an obsession over prime ministers as the US does with presidents after their term is over if you're not named Churchill or Thatcher.
>>221223081>Series 9 is pigshit>Series 8 picture
>>221223102And yet you replied. Your argument really can't hold up to the slightest breeze.
>>221223128When did he ever have a pig nose in Doctor Who?
>>221223107>>221223081why did you make me look at this?
Nuwho fags whining about lore changes make me laugh
>>221223146ok
>>221223149Series 8, clearly.
>>221222748Truke but you're wrong about all pandering and message pushing being just engagement. There are movies and shows that have genuine esoteric messaging like flash gordon which name drops the book of dyzan
>>221222748>dude it'll bring in audiencesHow's that going?
Can I talk about how John Hurt played a time traveling doctor with a talking car who met victor Frankenstein in the movie Frankenstein unbound before he played the doctor in this thread
>>221222748None of that makes it less cancerous. People remember what things were like before you creatures turned the entire world to shit. What fiction used to be and still could be.
>>221223280Greenis!
>>221223180Proof?
This just in: RTD has no agendas whatsoever.
>>221222075>PowERfULI hate these people so goddamn much.
>>221223110I know, I talked about that a few posts ago about US culture exports. It just bleeds into people not knowing much of anything about their own history.
>>221223340Why? I like her.
>>221223280You may.
>>221223325See the image.
>>221223365>i can only understand my own viewEternal reminder that /who/ is 94% autists.
>>221223544That's not from Doctor Who though.
How do we all pronounce greenis? Green_is or Green_us?
Do not engage the greenis poster.Do not look them in the eye.
>>221221722>>221222581>>221223224>>221223297>>221223625>>221223654Would you like to explain why you are upset?
>>221223673it's one of them lot from their gay forum that they think we don't know about.
>>221223673Blueis!
>>221223704I very much doubt it.
>>221222748Well that backfired since all the videos mocking RTD2 were more profitable than the actual show has been in a decade. More people in the U.S. associate the Doctor Who brand with wokeness than time travel. Nobody born after 2010 has ever heard of it outside the mainland.
>>221223723We don't see forum posters round these parts, not in the over years.
