>>221229218
>without sounding mad?
Why? There's nothing wrong with being mad if you've been insulted or you're dealing with stupidity.

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>>221229218

Don't care. Still falling head over heels in love with Inde Navarrette.

>>221229294
Amazing post.

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Everything women say is just double speak.

>>221229218
I fucking wish we were the cool archvillains Jewish goyslop media makes goyim think we are.

>>221229294
schzio incel psychobabble

>>221229451
>im trans btw and i LOVE my black boyfriend

They are not wrong. This isn't a political statement, it's just literally the plot of the movie.

>>221229218
>he's the real monster!
>he made a wish he couldn't have known would work and had no real way to undo it!
>it's all his fault for even wishing for something he didn't deserve!
women really think like this, you think you can't be more disappointed in the female sex and then they find a way.

>>221229484
The whole movie is first film school short levels of contrived. A guy like Bear would clear socially easy. He has friends and a job. The movie would actually be effective if he was a total virgin loser shut-in but they'd never dare to do that. it'd kill mass appeal.

>>221229318
The correct thing to do in response to this is to ban halal slaughter and importation of halal foodstuffs excepting pork products. The mudslime trash will take itself out.

>>221229526
Ban kosher slaughter first

>>221229294
this was a good post until the retarded babble about "the left"

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Women are resentful of equality in relationships. They are resentful of purity and innocence. The demon possession movie is more or less a red herring for them that obfuscates their broken desire of getting domineered and manipulated.

>>221229549
They are basically the same thing presumably any law which could actually get passed without being struck down for being le persecution would ban both

>>221229218
Doesn't the wording of this imply an admittance that something has gone wrong with the dating scene? It's not men who feel aggrieved, it's aggrieved men.

>>221229562
>blue check
opinion discarded

>>221229484
if you still think in terms of hero and villain, you're not very politically informed. scapegoats are an opium for the ignorant.

Sarah was hotter than Nikki anyways. Why was Bear so hung up on a cool girl that didn’t want him when he could just fuck a hot hapa arthoe instead?

>>221229625
>6/10 mixed asian bitch with nose ring or whatever it was
She was fucking not, stop being a moron. You are capitulating and coping.

>>221229601
quintessential top of the bell curve pseudointellectual meaningless nonsense

you are the villain of this exchange

Is this psychologically the same as Gone Girl? I haven't seen anything about it but the way people describe it makes me think of that movie.

>>221229294
Women's retardation is going to not only destroy civilization but ensure that their daughters and grand-daughters are left at the mercy of cold, heartless men who only view them as disposable rape toys who have been raised by bitter experience and bitter older men who taught them that women are merely cruel, pragmatic whores who care nothing for them therefore they should care nothing for women.

A tale as old as time.

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>>221229218
> axcthaually here's why your eyes and ears are lying to you actually
These people need to go.

>>221229318
misinformation

>>221229685
no it's not like gone girl. he makes a wish for her to love him and it goes wrong.

it's essentially a monkey's paw movie

>>221229294
any man who does not start, provide for, and protect a family will never feel whole.
any negative reaction you have to this fact is cope.

>>221229760
stop larping retard

wypipo write pieces like these then they do be wondering why their neighborhood brown

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>>221229218
If it was a woman that made the wish, would she also be the true villain of the movie?

"it's bad to take away someone's free will"
>REEEE WOKE TRASH REEEE MALE LONLINESS EPIDEMIC

Friendly reminder that women are not entitled to having men be nice to them

>>221229552
>this was a totally based post my fellow 4channers but dont you dare say anything bad about the heckin left or minorities or women or jews or trans people or heckin disabled people
get raped and killed
>>221229760
>read all that
>still spewed this shit
LOOOL

>>221229649
Nikki was arguably a 6/10 as well

>>221229849
The movie could play out the same, but the discourse would be different. They'd talk about how it depicts the dangers of clingy, needy men, and how women who think they need a man to love them to feel validated are just setting themselves up for suffering.

>>221229854
Why not? Every human, male or female, has the right to be treated with respect.

>>221229879
Why? Respect and niceness is earned, not a given.

>>221229894
a phrase said exclusively by unlikeable cunts who nobody wants around

>>221229294
>you have to destroy le society
>but you cant align yourself to le left because of muh drumpf
behold: a migger dropping his iq to worship orang man in this ironic screencap kwab

>>221229439
Turns out that women's Roman Empire is just rape.

>>221230018
Women don’t fantasize about ugly bastard rape though

>>221229852
>"it's bad to take away someone's free will"
Fucking riveting. I sure as hell haven't seen that 50 trillion times before.

>>221229852
Bear did not know that the wish would do that. He didn’t even know it would work.

>>221229858
billions of years of genetic descent led to you being alive right now. and that's where it stops. you failed countless ancestors across an unfathomable timespan by failing as a man. you will never feel the pride or the joy of fatherhood. you will never be whole.

>the true horror was nice men that have crushes all along
If it stopped at just crush it would be fine
but forcing someone to love you is insane.
Even in Aladdin that was against the rules.

>>221229218
The lesson I've learned over the years is DON'T LISTEN TO WOMEN. They don't know what they want and their opinions are meaningless. You know better and your job is to show them this. If they don't accept that they're not worth bothering with.

>>221230163
I would unironically trust the average woman more than the average incel.

>>221229760
Nobody said otherwise but you can still meet a threshold for being happy which according to women & sissy males isn’t possible unless you’re in the close observation of a woman

>>221230059
That fucking stupid NPC cue card bullshit is why women rule socialy and why men are suffering. You deserve to get raped for perpuating this bullshit.

>>221229669
okay chuddy. anything that doesn't affirm to your primitive and fairy tale delusion of the world is nonsense. emotional hysteria good! political literacy bad cuz me want good guys, bad guys and innocent victims to protecc

>>221230163
this
>>221230187
>im trans btw not sure if that matters i also have a black boyfriend btw

>>221230234
cope.
grow a pair, put a son in a woman, and raise him to be a better man than you.
or kill yourself.

>>221230059
Biological determinism is a pro rape argument

>tfw "there is no such thing as a 4chan account" is an official public record in my divorce proceedings
I had a fucking hell of a day boys. Her lawyer fucking airballed it, wasted all her time on my wife and only had 2 minutes to cross me and blew it fumbling about 4chan accounts and getting an objection sustained rambling about white supremacy and the oklahoma city bomber (I'm sure she meant to bring up Ted Kaczinski but apparently my wife fucked it up and it got objected for not being relevant to a custody hearing anyway) lmao

>>221230255
>be a good goyim like me
>praise your jew overlord every day
>listen to women minorities and queer people
i will fucking rape you to death you NPC fuck

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>>221229852
women constantly prove they don't have free will nor yearn for it. and when they do they think free will is something to "receive" lol

>>221229218
>Taking away people's free will is... LE EVIL?!?

Yes, you incel losers, forcing people to like you is not something good people do

>>221229760
I want to but they wont let me. What am I even supposed to do?

>>221230248
>>im trans btw not sure if that matters i also have a black boyfriend btw
seek therapy/meds

>>221230326
You have no other choice, an it/them will say you’re not a real man anonymously online. Rape is the only solution >>221230271

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>>221230321
>forcing people to like you is not something good people do
It's not something good people secretly fetishize either. Oh wait.

>>221230271
whatever it takes
>>221230284
cope and seethe
you are a failure as a man and as a biological organism. remedy the situation one way or the other.
>>221230326
to start, be less of a weak fucking faggot.
a man is not "allowed" to do things. a man does things.

>>221230365
>>221230344
>I am a real man who loves his trans daughter and her black trans non-binary partner

>>221229218
>”People” failing the Media Literacy test after watching their first Monkey Paw story
A classic. There is nothing to discuss, just stupid people being stupid

>>221230373
cope.
instead of fantasizing that your betters are actually something you fund pathetic and disgusting, become less pathetic and disgusting.
or kill yourself. either one.

>>221230364
yeah they don't. people into that thing are fucked in the head or demonically influenced.

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>>221229852
>>221230035
>>221230321
Why isnt there a warning symbol or instructions clearly written on these wishing sticks that you should not tamper with other peoples free will when making your wishe?

my final message to the biological failures.
take your power back. quit bitching about how "they" won't "let" you.
BE A MAN.
Goodnight.

>>221229852
She didn't lose free will, she got imprisoned in a mind prison that we never see.

>>221230365
>a man rapes
based

>>221230321
Brainwashing someone via sorcery is not something many people are able to do.

This astroturfed narrative is obviously a red herring to cover up how certain women are attracted to domineering, abusive and patriarchal men rather than a looksmatch who views them as an absolute equal.

>>221230365
>just rape women bro
Incels bad though

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>>221229218
>the real villian was not the Demon or the thing that give you a wish(or the ones behind it), but the men all along
hahaha, drop a nuke on Hollywood

there’s so much about this movie that doesn’t make sense. what the fuck was up with the dialogue? nobody has the appropriate reaction to the shit nikki does. and why would Bear not immediately get a restraining order after the lunch box thing? and the door? why wouldn’t he tell their friends that she fed him his cat? he’s just like “inside joke” and then dropped it. plus, how did she even get the cat? it was like Bear just left his dead cat sitting somewhere in his house. how does he pretend everything is fine, and how do Ian and Sarah under react to it so much? how is she not immediately 5150’d after the boy’s night at Ian’s? why the fuck wouldn’t bear call the cops on her?

Why didn’t Bear notice that Sarah liked him? A true incel would become obsessed with her instead

It’s irreconcilable that feminism and leftist doctrine insists on women being dominant and big when they ALL want to be submissive and small. EVERY woman wants to feel tiny. You can’t make that work with the modern social narratives and it’s why women are miserable and medicated to fuck. A woman, very simply, is happy getting plowed, led, and doing as little thinking as possible. Biologically if that isn’t what is going on, they interpret things as being “wrong.” It’s like being forced to walk around doing handstands all the time rather than walking on your legs.

>>221230530
because he knows he's responsible for all of that with his wish and the nikki pussy game ridiculous

>>221229318
Actual Outcome: Nigel ain't gon do shit!

>>221229294
Trump and antifa have the same bosses.

>>221230578
oh my god who the fuck cares
go back to incels.is

>>221229318
The conclusion would be to remove jews and the savages would flee after their protection disappears.

>>221229477
she's still decent enough to break up with her bf before jumping on another's man cock
she might be lying but "he or some bitch told my bf and we broke up" would give her more pity points

>>221229867
and a bigger whore with more issues

>>221229997
Nothing in that post directly aligned the writer's viewpoint with Trump, but you still saw his name and anon's critique of the left and chose to get offended. Predictable.

>>221230255
i know which one i chose not really kek

>>221230244
Any attempt to claim superiority whole being unable to even understand fundamental principles and the storytelling around them is merely you being a midwit that someone once said you were smart.

Fact is, most of the world is dualistic, binary, and easy to understand once you know enough of the patterns and rules of science, society, and history.

There are good guys, they are the ones who want to preserve rhat which is decent, healthy, and reusable, like healthy sexual dynamics among humans.
The bad guys are those seeking to destroy, pervert, or corrupt those things for personal gain; even if the personal gain is just to feel validated.

Validation and acceptance of evil makes you evil as well. Perhaps the laziest and least active form of evil, but still evil.

Learn some Kant, then move from there. You might, someday, become an intelligent human being, instead of a soiboy fartknocker.

>>221229852
>I wish for world peace!
>REE FREE WILL IS TAKEN AWAY

>>221229760
Women aren’t keeping up their side of the bargain so why should we

>>221230485
All women who are seek out domineering and abusive men are fucked in the head. those attributes are corruptions of the positive aspects of a prototypical patriarchal man, which is what all women attracted to.

>>221229429
Don't speak of my wife

>>221230187
Well then you are a retard just as much as women are, congrats

>>221230655
So incel just means “person with objectively correct take” now? You retard sure ran that term into the ground.

>>221231038
They are. Consider if you're a poor judge of character and must improve to meet the right girl.

He didn't care that she was being tortured in hell and had no control over her actions. Imagine if the roles were reversed, he's stuck in some nightmare dimension while his body is obsessed with her and when he finally takes back control, all she cares about is some fake relationship that makes her feel loved. This entire board would be relentlessly shitting on Nikki. Get it now?

>>221231188
>They are
What pocket dimension are you from where fertility rates are high?

To play devil's advocate for a second, most "Nice guys" would turn into a psycho case if given the chance.

>>221231188
They are holding up exactly 0 of their side of the contract. Both individually and as a a group(as other anon said fertility rates are plummeting. Since society hasn’t collapsed that means men are keeping their end of the deal keeping it running. I know a guy whose wife doesn’t cook, clean, or have sex with him. And given him 0 kids. Meanwhile he still goes to work, fixes up things around the house etc. the game is rigged, the other side is not following the rules anymore. So I’m not gonna either

>>221231413
Yup. That's the biggest problem with "nice guys", they're not actually nice.

>>221231152
I am not this person you’re imagining. And I wasn’t even calling anon an incel really, it’s just that essay anon typed up is the kind of shit you see posted in incel forums. Which I don’t wanna see on my fucking television and film forum.

So? What is the "important message for aggrieved young men", then?

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>>221231413
This is like saying most guys would fuck under age girls on Epstein island. We don't know that, and I would be arguing with your imagination to try and dissuade you.

>>221229879
You can respect someone without being nice to them.

>>221229218
that is one hell of a way to twist that, were critics upset that the woman was the monster?

>>221229849
The man would just get arrested the second he goes apeshit. The whole point of the movie is that possessed Nikki can detect that Bear fell out of love with her after he discovered her lies, which made her go full Exorcist mode. Women don't stick around and try to make things work with men they change their mind on the way Bear still tried to hang around, they take off in 0.01 seconds.

>>221229852
>>221230321
>>221231554
foids

>>221231749
>were critics upset that the woman was the monster?
More likely than you think

Why is everything I do or even desire considered bad and demonized?
I want a partner equal to me, someone to share with, to be emotionally open, honest and vulnerable with
Now I'm not saying I deserve it, or that I should be entitled, or "woman only want chad" or whatever, but lonely people like me are getting obliterated on social media and these articles

>>221231853
same method of

>man makes wish for love
>genie creates monster
>its the man at fault for asking he is the """real""" monster

fuck you, fuck that genie and fuck the monster. The guy didn't want that.

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>>221229760
>any negative reaction you have to this fact is cope.
I just have real life experience of men I know who got married, had kids, then got fucking annihilated. 2/3 of my best friends started taking anti depressants after their gfs left and tried to legally prevent them from seeing their own children. The other is, not to disrespect him, kind of a "wifeguy" doormat with his girl wearing the pants. I have my own problems, but I'm undoubtedly the one who's the least mentally fucked in my entire friend group. I've seen men bang their heads and fists into walls, go into psychosis, nearly starve to death from not eating, etc... so yeah, you're gay demoralization does nothing to counter my real lif experiences.

TLDR - there's much worse shit in life than being single

>>221229852
>>221230321
Magical Wishing Sticks AREN'T FUCKING REAL, you absolute histrionic retards. Are women this fucking stupid?

>i wish magical wishing sticks were real

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Come on guys, many horror films start with something somewhat inoffensive and escalate ridiculously. The blame isn't on the innocent action that caused the problem, its on the paranormal reaction

>>221231188
>They are.
Ah, OK, we're just lying now.

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>>221230187
You do you, buddy. Glad you're taking your chances!

>>221231904
>The blame isn't on the innocent action that caused the problem
It is here cause the movie is basically propaganda

>>221231924
More like BPD service station

>>221229552
It was good until it acknowledged my psychotic political party has questionable beliefs.

>asking magic sticks for love is incel behavior

I didn't realize that was a thing, where are all the magic sticks in real life?

>>221231862
They think you should be happy to take the 30 year fat bitch with no job and several children after you’ve finally hit your stride in your life
My experience has been learning how to adapt on my own. I have my own place now, make close to 6 figures, and can do everything I need to take care of myself. No fucking way am I gonna trade my peace of mind to be Captain Save-A-Hoe

>>221229596
but it's correct? men and women desire different things in eachother, this is the closest definition of love

>>221229294
there is a point buried in the schizobabble but it didn't need 8 paragraphs to be made.

>even the earliest written works feature tales of men being tamed and 'civilised' by women using the power of sex. because women lack physical strength, the only tool they can use to wield power over men is through access to sex. this is why they use things like "incel" and "virgin" as insults, because they know a man's social standing is determined by his ability to access sex. and this is also why they are terrified on a primordial level by men who cannot be controlled with sex, and is why they strive to destroy any outlet for male sexual desire that does not revolve around men fighting each other tooth and nail for access to a woman's holes, and is why they push for a society that makes it easier and easier for them to deny any men they deem unworthy access to them.

>>221229218
Wasnt this film just "latina gf"

>>221231965
grug still think too many words
let grug have try
>grug think female try to tame grug and not let him hunt mammoth
>but grug know better

>>221229218
The blue faggot from alladin taught us this with his gay song and dance routine "you can't wish for love"

>>221231977
>either social retarded femcel who was laughed at back in day by all the stacys
>or retarded fat redditor who is white knighting on 4chan.

>>221231995
I just wanted to make an amusing caveman post :(
I just wanted to have fun on 4chan again

>>221231977
THIS SAVAGE INCEL WILL KILL US ALL!

>>221231976
No, it's "Nice Guy"

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Where do ex-slayer uncs like me rank on this incel hysteria paradigm? I have a kill count in the high 20s, but haven't had sex in 3 years due to losing interest in dating after my ex dumped me. Idk if I can be bothered to jestermaxx again. Amy other ex chads ITT?

>>221231413
except women date actual verifiable proven psychos regularly and have no problem with it.
>oh he might beat me :(((
>me and Dequavious are getting back together again, I know this is the third time he's been to prison for armed robbery and attempted murder but he changed this time I swear!

>>221229294
made sense until the MIGA cope

>>221232057
you are not making 500k a year, 6 foot 5 inches tall so you are an incel.

>>221231891
they aren't but there are still people out there who so desperately want to create something similar to one or desire for one to exist who need to be reminded that they're wrong and evil.

>>221230286
Funny/sad thing: in a lot of places he could now get convicted of "rape by deception".

>>221232057
I had sex at least 300 times. Its been 8 years since the last time though.
I lost my wife to ligma and we had sex almost every day until she contracted the disease from a passing soicuck.
Its been rough.

This Africa guy at work REFUSES to speak to women unless it's his wife. It's hilarious seeing them have to "appreciate" his culture

>>221231891
Women have literally murdered their boyfriend because he cheated on them in a dream she had. Of course they're that fucking stupid.

>>221232111
>culture

all the guys I know do the same, its not worth dealing with a bitch catching feelings then running to HR because you don't want to talk to her again.

>>221229218
Has no one in this thread pointed out that the author of the article in the OP is QUITE LITERALLY an anti-woke conservative who spends all day posting links to studies debunking left-wing talking points on his X? Go check for yourself. x.com/robkhenderson
I am astounded that so many chuds on this board are so reflexively hostile to this movie, thinking it's some kind of misandrist foid propaganda, when its message is very simple. The idea that love must come from free will to be authentic goes back to the medieval Church. There's nothing inherently left-wing about the idea that you shouldn't use other people as tools to serve your ego or satisfy your selfish desires. If anything, it's a conservative value.

>>221232181
why do leftoid retards think everyone is part of a weird ass hive mind like they are?

>>221231862
Because society has a huge problem brewing and generally speaking no one knows what to do about it. And they don’t know who to blame. So for some reason they’ve decided to blame the people who got the shit end of the stick. The funny thing is it’s pretty much everyone’s fault BESIDES the lonely guys. 50 years ago the vast majority of them would have found wives and lived a normal life. The people to blame are the women who are deciding they don’t want to have kids and don’t need no man, not realizing that their life is fully subsidized by an army of men, and the women sorting themselves into harems despite claiming they would never do that at every turn. And all the men that made the shitty decisions that led us to this point, starting with giving women the right to vote. I mean I’m one of the older posters here I think, I did fine with women when I was younger, I think if I was growing up today I’d struggle. Things have changed for the worse for a lot of men, and they were born into this situation. But society and women in particular want to blame them for it, and blame them for anything else they feel like too

>>221232181
See: >>221231891

>>221229218
honestly im too scared to even watch this movie because incel horror is actually real

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>>221232091
>MIGA

>>221229218
>>the true horror was nice men that have crushes all along
ktim
I have been harassing my class 4th oneitis for over 10 years
we are both 30 now

>>221229218
>make selfish wish to force girl to love him
>destroys her life by essentially mind controlling her to kill people
Yes, he's a piece of shit and only incel faggots think otherwise. These are facts.

>>221231862
People don't know what they want and because of that, when someone appropriate and compatible with them comes along they end up pointlessly critiquing themselves out of any coupling. what does "equal to me" even mean?

>>221232057
I slept with literally hundreds of women, most of them attractive. I got so fed up with women I haven’t been on a date in almost 10 years. I seem to agree with incels on most things. But it’s because I spent so much time with so many of them that I hate them. Online no one takes any of this seriously of course and assume I’m some bitter virgin. But irl I’ve turned many a simp to my point of view because they know my history and I know what I’m talking about. Women are fucking awful creatures and if we didn’t want them for sex we would deport them all to Australia or something. I distinctly remember waking up next to some chick and thinking “I think I hate her. I think I hate all of them”. Was like waking up from a dream or a spell. Impossible to go back

>>221229218
By growing a handlebar moustache, kidnapping women while wearing a black top hat and cloak, and tying them to the train tracks - obviously. Why do you ask?

>>221232111
That guy is based and i would greatly enjoy seeing the women seethe impotently because he’s a protected class.

>he wasn't brown
>he wasn't living illegally in the UK
>he didn't have the entire UK government covering for him

if he had done all that, all these posters saying he is evil would be singing his praises and defending him instead.

just food for thought.

>>221232096
the problem is it's trying to portray the natural desire to be loved as evil, by using the most ridiculous nonsensical strawmen imaginable to do it.
>what makes you think YOU deserve love? if you have ever wished for a woman to love you, you are no different than a psycho who wants to give her the Lady Qi treatment
it's propaganda, and you are either too stupid to realise it or are actively in on the scheme.

>>221232468
no you don't get it, love means obsession to the stick genie thing, so that means the man asking for it is evil.

wait doesn't that may the stick evil?

>>221232468
It’s also just dishonest that people are getting butthurt about it. Imagine someone so good at persuasion it borders on a super power. That is functionally about the same as wishing on a genie or whatever. I’ve met a guy like that once and most people thought he was a great guy and other men figuratively high fived him for getting any woman he wanted. No one would blink at using that ability. In fact I’d wager most people, incel or not, would make a wish like the dude did if they really wanted someone

>>221231965
>a point
>it's just a self-validating glaze for incels

>>221232531
You're just describing that movie Thank you for smoking.
https://youtu.be/yrxRCTUt6OY

>>221232298
I don't doubt it at all, because I was on my little streak before I met my ex who I spent 5 years with and would probably be approaching 3 figs right now myself had I not gotten trapped into thinking I found a trad unicorn. I think the incel/chad horseshoe is real in that both ends sound nearly identical online in the contempt we have for modern women, just arriving at that conclusion through different paths. It's average bellcurve simps with 1-3 bodies that are the hardest to convince, because they get neither the abundance of pussy players have, nor are they hard locked out of dating by getting just enough of the carrot from alpha widow scraps.

>likes a girl
>wishes for her to love him not realizing the wish will come true
>tries to find ways to fix it when shit goes off the rails
>does his best to fix it without killing either of them
how exactly was he bad? because he went along with it before things went bad when his wish came true?

Shush, chuds. It's her turn to become a bloodthirsty demon.

>>221232468
the problem isn't the desire to be loved it's specifically the use of forcing someone into loving you.
The healthy and proper way to deal with his situation is either making a change so that you will be loved by that person or simply accepting things as they are and finding someone who will love you for who you are.

>>221232239
>Magical Wishing Sticks AREN'T FUCKING REAL
Wow, no fucking shit. Way to miss the point
Bear isn't a bad dude because of the wishing sticks, dumbass. It's bc he finds out they're real but doesn't give a shit until it starts affecting him personally - until then he's perfectly happy to continue using Nikki as his personal rape doll, because, despite claiming to love her, that's all he essentially values her for. He even gets butthurt and acts like he's the victim when real Nikki tells him she doesn't actually like being a mind-controlled sex slave.
No, the movie isn't an attack on men, or even superficially "nice guys" in general - it's an attack on the attitude of casual indifference, lack of empathy, and self-entitlement that infects (to varying degrees) white incels, leftists, and third worlders alike.

>>221232643
The thing is, it IS an attack on men. It's just that the attack is coming from male feminists that think people who don't have girlfriends are just creeps.

These people are usually creeps themselves, just like Whedon and Gaiman. It's just a matter of time before he outs himself.

This movie is anti bpd, yes we need therapy but we cant control our heavy emotions
t. male triggered by this movie

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Women can't stop seething about forced marriages even though it's been a century since they've been emancipated because they're psychos who can't help but fantasize about being re-enslaved 24/7 their entire lives.

>>221232643
>It's bc he finds out they're real but doesn't give a shit until it starts affecting him personally
He doesn't find out they're real until the conversation with the call support demon/entity/whatever. And during that phonecall he attempts to cancel the wish (admittedly after trying to modify it first). But he does actually try to just cancel it after finding out its real.
>until then he's perfectly happy to continue using Nikki as his personal rape doll
They don't bump uglies after the phone call, and that same night is when everything blows up.
>He even gets butthurt and acts like he's the victim when real Nikki tells him she doesn't actually like being a mind-controlled sex slave.
The first thing he does after that scene is go talk to Sarah. Their flirting implied he was finally reciprocating her feelings that she had for a while and he was looking for an exit from the situation. You probably disagree, but IMO this was probably the most "evil" thing to do, as leaving Nikki would effectively doom her to get locked into a psych ward forever.

The phone operator unironically probably had the best advice when he said "well it sounds like you have a moral obligation to be there for her", since the wish is basically a permanent lobotomy. And I doubt any of the people calling bear evil would have the nuts to put a pistol in their own mouths to free her. So what really were his options? Begging others to make a wish was never going to work and the movie heavily implies they're all monkey paws (Ian immediately gets domed, Nikki will go to prison/psych ward forever)

>>221232560
I mean most “incel” talking points, besides the more esoteric shit like lookism etc is just shit you’d hear and average frat guy or married guy with kids say. Men have always complained about women, I don’t know how that got retconned into if you even slightly criticize a woman ever you are an incel. And the simps who buy into this narrative really really piss me off.

If Bear was a rapist billionaire vampire with high agency nobody would be mad about him using Nikki

just saying btw

>>221232884
80% of that dishonest "criticized m'lady? you must be an incel" conflation absolutely does come from simps, which is why they should be fed feet-first into woodchippers. Women generally aren't privy to the more esoteric layers of the culture war online, and I don't think I've ever met one who even knew what these terms mean. It's almost always a nu-male trying to shut down conversation with character assassinations.

>>221229849
Then it would be a romcom where she'd fall in love with some other guy and have to figure out a way to get rid of the simp.

>>221233084
I think the issue is it’s mostly guys who have had sex like twice, or had 1 girlfriend or whatever. They feel like they just barely escaped being a virgin and are desperate to keep their newly found “status” so they worship the deciders(women) in a misguided and futile attempt to curry favor

>>221229879
the word you are lookingfor is "courtesy"

>>221229879
>female
>human
pick one

>>221230286
>>221232102
It'd be funny if they to threaten him they were gonna tell the wife.

>>221229930
a response from a two faced snake who uses others for social clout

>>221232105
what's ligma?

>>221233626
ligma balls

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>>221229218
I dont care i still enjoyed it. Have sex.

>>221230655
You tell him sis! No incels on 4chan! We don't like your kind here on 4chan where we love respecting women and feminism! Mods, can we ban that guy?

>>221229464
Ahh a fellow /gif/ poster

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>>221233723
Do you take cash?

I miss when the internet was just white guys from English speaking countries.

>>221232096
>OK but they exist theoretically and there are theoretically people who would want that!
Wow. Convincing argument.

>>221232633
>it's specifically the use of forcing someone into loving you
He made a wish on a fucking fake magic-stick he didn't even know was real you moron.

>>221232574
>how exactly was he bad?
He has a penis and isn't 8/10 or higher in terms of attractiveness. So he's evil.

>>221232861
Bear doesn't need to be committing plainly evil acts to be a person of bad character. Look at him.
>gets defensive when his friends confront him about Nikki's behavior
>asks the customer service rep to "alter" the wish rather than just revoke it because he'd rather maintain the pleasant illusion
>hangs up the phone when given the chance to speak to the real Nikki, even as she's screaming in agony
>coldly dismisses Nikki's pleas for death once it's clear she is suffering and trapped
>doesn't even have the balls to commit to his act of suicide after swallowing the pills
>all of this could have been avoided if he had simply manned up when given a chance to confess his feelings to Nikki instead of pussying out. At worst he would've just ended up with Sarah
Bear is revealed to be a weak, foolish, indecisive, cowardly, and selfish man - a sort of reverse "role model" that represents exactly what men should try to avoid being - and his fate is supposed to be a cautionary tale. In this way, the film in fact defends traditional masculinity by presenting the disastrous consequences of a man failing to fulfill a traditionally masculine role.

>>221229218
jeffrey cantu ledesma, etc

I haven't watched the movie but from what I understand he uses some form of magic to make her fall in love with him. Do you all earnestly believe there's no ethical issue involved in doing that?

>>221229218
women love feeling oppressed it's in their DNA to crave domination of mind body and soul but it's also in their nature to be in agreement with the groupthink so they're at odds with themselves wanted to be sex slaves and also wanted validation for being strong independent women. basically women are insane and at odds with themselves. They say the movie is horrifying yet can't stop watching it because they secretly wish they were Nikki.

>>221229477
What does muted my Instagram stories mean

>>221234252
how is it a cautionary tale when it's literally a magic spell that doesn't exist?

how come bears wish backfires while the guy who wishes for a billion dollars isn't crushed to death by a giant pallet of money?

>>221234266
He doesn't know it will work. it's like a gag joke "make a wish" gift and he wishes a girl would love him. that's innocent as fuck. There would only be an ethical issue if he knew with 100% certainty it would work, but he doesn't, it's a joke gift. The implication is a male is a monster for even WISHING to be loved in his fantasies, that's how anti-men society is now we aren't even allowed be loved in our own fantasies anymore or we're evil

>>221229294
believes in fake partisan politics in the year 2026. time to kys

>>221234383
I see. I only watched the trailer and assumed he was aware it would work. Okay, so, he's pretty pathetic for doing that but not a quasi love-roofier like I thought.
Is the shit out on VOD btw? I wanna watch it but can't find it.

>>221234383
This.

Imagine if you saw shooting star one day and off-handedly wished you were rich. But that turned out to secretly be the one legitimate wishing star in the whole universe, and your wish "came true" by enslaving billions of people across the planet to work themselves to death in mines and factories that appear out of nowhere to generate wealth that all gets transferred to you.

And then you get treated like an evil monster who totally did it all on purpose.

>>221234207
When people say they miss the old internet, this is 99 percent of the reason, even if they are a redditor and don’t realize it’s the reason. I go back and forth between who ruined it more, women or browns.

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>>221229218
Don't talk to wom*n, don't compliment wom*n, don't look at wom*n, avoid being somewhere where a wom*n is ESPECIALLY if you two are alone. Masturbate to 3D wom*n if you must but make this your only interaction with Satan's gender.

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>>221229218
I like cleavage.
Other than that I neither care about this film or any other modern Amerilard shitslop garbage.

>>221229477
atleast she broke off the relationship before cheating, he is much better off
she could have just as easily fucked the coworker twice and then get ghosted, then go back to her bf like nothing happened

zoomers are cooked bruh fr

>>221234252
>doesnt know what to do when his bpdemon gf acts psycho
>almost like its driving him crazy too, even to the point of suicide
>this makes him evil
fuck you the cautionary tale is this a cautionary tale about the crazy/hot scale

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Crazy how this same exact thread is also on pol
>Important message for aggrieved young men
And what would that be lmfao

Also crazy how society just keeps doubling down on shitting on Young White men, even though they're even now agreeing they ARE in fact aggrieved.

>>221229218
Another psyop... sigh, i guess i shouldn´t be surprised since they manage to convince them that working is empowering and forming a stable family is somehow some terrible thing but can women accustomed to men attention and kindness do without it? It seems to me they benefit plenty from the shy guys wanting to be noticed, most of them won´t even act on it, let alone attempt rape (they are far more likely to be raped by a stranger or a neighbor). Women really don´t want to be treated as one of the guys. They may think they do but they really really don´t. I´m just saying.

>>221230096
So once again women have taken an insane schizo fantasy in their mind, since wish sticks don't exist, and have projected it onto real men as an excuse to treat them poorly..?

>>221234591
He wasn't "saving" her, he saw an excuse to murder a Differently Housed Latinx and took it.

Awesome movie, blackpilling disguised as feminist slop, up there with Raimi Spider-Man and Titanic when it comes to showing the true nature of women

>oh god please just kill me i would rather die than be with a friendzoned guy who loves me and isn't chad

Women would quite literally choose death over an average looking incel

>>221234591
>yes the economy is shit and the world sucks, anon
>but it's only YOU making you feel small and powerless, nobody else is calling you those things outright
stupid fucking detached ignorant boomers

>>221232574
The opening scene of him practicing and his angry wish is how he really feels. He wants her to be obsessed with him as much as he is with her.

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>>221232096
You are wrong and evil kek

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new 'toss

>>221229760
I agree, but for both genders.
Having a family is the entire purpose of life. Both men and women should be prioritising starting a family. It will make you and society as a whole so much healthier.
Unfortunately, men are more than happy to go through this. Women are outright refusing because of liberalism spinning a fantasy tale about traditional marriage being oppressive to justify their selfish desires.

>>221231188
>They are.
Bruh... stop living in the clouds and come back to planet Earth

>>221232643
>the movie isn't an attack on men, or even superficially "nice guys" in general
Maybe not, and I actually enjoyed the movie. But clearly the female reactions to the movie were calculated to be hostile to men.
>Lack of empathy
Wow like all those women saying they don't care about men and the loneliness crisis or whatever?

>>221229218
Lmao, this is literally the worst site on the net to discuss this film.

With that said, it's simple enough to understand. Most modern women see straight male sexuality as inherently dangerous and evil, so they'd rather have someone that's openly psychopathic than a friend who pretends he doesn't view her sexually.

It's like how people actually prefer openly sleazy politicians because they fancy that all politicians are already evil, the sleazy ones are just being honest about it.

>>221229218

I mean, it is pretty topical. Everyone knows deep down that having hordes of unwanted men running around is bad for a society.

>>221232853

Arranged marriage is how you get a country like India. Autistic and borderline retarded dudes everywhere who probably should have been culled from the gene pool.

But you don't want something like the ghetto or native reservation where a dozen criminal Chads are fathering all the kids so the normal dudes just give up instead of working to improve themselves

IMO something like 1940's America would be ideal. Stigma and forced adoption for out-of-wedlock births. Alphas have a few beta traits and vice versa.

>>221232861
We're assuming Nikki is even a good person. Maybe she deserved it all.

>>221234799
BTW, this is perfectly fine with most male feminists because they ARE sleazy fucks that just want to manipulate women into sex. So they imagine that's literally standard male behavior and they're super special for openly admitting it instead of pretending to be nice guys.

>>221229760
50% of all marriages end in divorce. You are the coper.

>>221230365
>whatever it takes
saar

>>221234824
Doesn't matter; had sex.

>>221234742
Popcorn

>>221234802
>having hoardes of unwanted men around is bad
Yes and the only people in the world that can fix it is women.

>>221234891
where did these men come from??? Pluto???

>>221229218
BTW, you're all forgetting that Bear is supposed to be a Strawman. People like him don't really exist. Real rapists are predominantly extroverted, violent criminals from lower class backgrounds.

The Nice Guy is, at worst, slightly annoying to any woman that doesn't view heterosexual men as threats until proven otherwise.

>>221234906
I have no idea what you are even implying. But I know so many married older men that would be incels today. There’s always been low value men, but when women were upholding their side of the contract they lived perfectly fine lives. It seems like women can’t have rights without society collapsing

>>221234955
Show me the contract.

>>221229294
>women don't fuck me because I'm a mysterious untamed high testosterone wildman
>not because I'm an unwashed hideous autistic weirdo
Fuck off with this navel gazing bullshit.

>>221229218
Nigga, he was just a pussy. He couldn't even cap himself to save her.

>>221234961
You have to have 100 iq or higher to see it sorry

>>221231879
cope

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>>221229685
Gone Girl appeals to more of the true crime crowd. This movie appeals more to the femcel/radfem crowd.

Gone Girl is about murder Obsession is about incel "rage".

>>221234291
It means "I was leaving subtle hints on my stories on social media so he would respond to me." Instead he didn't even bother to look at them or give her attention. And that's a crime.

>>221229852
>muh free will
Little St. James was the 'stein's free will thoughever

>>221229218
I just think it's funny that they throw every solution at these lonely angry depressed guys except for like just simply giving them a handjob or something. Like imagine if just one day a year you could show up to your local park and colunteer hot girls would freely give you a handjob. Problem solved.

>>221229879
No they don't lol. That's absurd and it really demonstrates how raped and useless the concept of rights has become.

>>221235143
You got it. Young women these days are in a constant state of paranoid schizophrenia.

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>>221235218
Prostitution is unironically a proven solution to the problem. Most incels don't want emotional relationships; they can barely tolerate existing in the same planet as women.

What they want is SEX, and they resent how women aren't putting out for them.

So why not? Give them their sex and let them chill out and stop committing crimes.

>>221235260
They want the crimes

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>>221235244
meanwhile...

>>221235252
if TBBT was realistic all four of those guys would be permavirgin incels and at least one of them would commit a suicide bombing

>>221229294
>refuse
>incel
huh?

>>221235218
Why exactly is this happening at the local park?

>>221229477
>red scare listener
This is some very mid art ho with half a dozen mental illnesses and drug habits. Her “bf” was probably a trans man

>>221235415
the post you replied to was explaining that this is why people who aren't technically incels are called incels. What part do you not understand?

>>221231948
What political party? There is no left wing political party in america

>>221229506
They just look at the world through the lens of consequences.
Like they’d say the butterfly was responsible for the hurricane in the “butterfly effect” phenomenon because they can’t into abstraction very well and so they just interpret the case very literally where the butterfly’s wings cause a hurricane.

>>221229685
I don't know about the movie, but in the book the woman is the villain who blows all sympathy while the guy redeems himself. The author says at the end she wanted to show how women can be bad as men or even worse.

>>221235349
The funny thing about paranoid schizophrenics is that they always miss the obviously dangerous people because they think it's just a feint, an illusion. The real danger is obviously the normal people that don't mean them any harm, because they're obviously hiding something.

>>221235244
Numerology and angel numbers are suddenly making sense, also tarot card readings

>>221235391
If TBBT was realistic someone would actually eat some of the food they always seemed to be ordering. God I wanted to kick the shit out of them all over that.

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>>221235441
There's only one political party in America - the Property Party - and it has two right wings.

>>221235318
yes, the women do definitely want crimes as evidenced by their voting habits

>>221229294
>muh left and antifa
lol, ruined the entire post.

>>221235430
what do you suggest, the city rec center?

>>221235942
Men's toilets, where despite the misleading name HOT CHICKS are waiting just the other side of the "glory hole".

>>221234802
Arranged marriage works on the societal level. Groups which practice it (Pakistanis, Arabs, Indians, etc) unironically have better gender relations, birthrates, and life satisfaction (even just considering women) than the West.

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>>221234600
> Women really don´t want to be treated as one of the guys. They may think they do but they really really don´t. I´m just saying.
thats because, and ive been saying it for years! BITCHES. CANT. FUCKING. HANG! no one gives a shit about what gay ass restaurant you went to or what fru fru fucking cocktails you like. if insipid tripe is all that spills out your fucking face, im sorry, i just cant be fucked to care

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Everyone shits on Bear, and rightfully so, because after he realizes the wish is real he doesn't do anything to fix it until it turns bad. One reason I can tell these women using the film as ammo are incredibly dumb, however, is because the film goes out of its way to show all of them in the friend group are indecisive, weak, and cowardly. All of them. Primarily, the whole situation would have never happened if at least one of the friend group was honest from the start and not full of cowards.

If Sarah had told Bear she was attracted to him from the start, this wouldn't have happened. If Ian or Nikki admitted they were fuck buddies it wouldn't have happened. If Bear had asked Nikki for a date, this wouldn't have happened. Finally, if Nikki herself had simply said "Bear I'm not interested" instead of that lazy, non-committal "do you like me" then it wouldn't have happened. I think Nikki is written particularly well, because it feels like she lets his attraction slide as something to use later for validation (very woman-like) rather than just shutting him down immediately. The only person I give grace to is Sarah, because the primary reason she didn't ask was because she knew Bear wanted Nikki.

The wish is more like a force of nature that showed up to reveal everyone's true personality than a decisive event to demonize Bear. I assumed it wasn't only a commentary on the strained dynamics of relationships nowadays between the sexes, but also one on how the contemporary youth (or just people really) are so terrified of social conflict that they slip into exploitation and eventually violence all because they can't admit a harsh truth and face the consequences.

I also think it's likely the director/writer had a deeply frustrating or ruinous relationship with a crazy BPD whore at some point that he pined after, and this film was catharsis for that. Adding the wish just makes the blame nebulous, making the film palatable to masses and the story more interesting.

>>221236153
Good post. Bear is absolutely the villain after the diner scene but I hate that women pretend that Bear is some ontologically evil force who was bad just for existing or having a crush on a girl so they can justify their own poor decisions in mate selection.

That entire friend group was pretty selfish and dysfunctional, Ian was not a good friend to Bear and while of course Nikki didn't deserve what happened to her, the way she seemed to belittle Bear at every turn (every time someone jokes about them dating she says "ew") is a direct contribution to his inability to be honest with her

>>221231977
krell think grug got hit on head by club too many times

>>221232009
fuck your fun you little bitch

>>221235143
a 10 year old boy could overpower her

>>221236752
wtf nigga!

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meanwhile....

>>221229318

I can't expect retards needing @Grok to actual read it but if you bothered actually checking the report you'd see 99% of it is fake reddit tier stories.

>>221236897
It's about as real as the 1/3 women will be raped in her liftime numver feminists and leftists love to use or the 6 million holocaust number

>>221236897
so we're not believing women anymore?

>>221236153
Best post I've read in a while, thanks. Love the discourse this seemingly "incel le bad" movie has generated.

>>221236925
and yet they were all silent as church mice on this shit

>>221236153
>the director/writer had a deeply frustrating or ruinous relationship with a crazy BPD whore at some point
fellow knower. its so obvious to anyone within 3 degrees of separation of a bpdemon experience. its why roasties are so fucking desperate to twist the narrative so wildly. cognitive dissonance is one hell of a problem for many, but im somehow the asshole when facing reality proves fatal to women

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>>221231644
DON'T USE MAGIC, NIGGA

>>221229218
>nice men

Bear isn't a nice guy, though. He's a selfish asshole.

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>>221237215
Guess I'll wipe away that pentagram, then...

>>221229291
Fpbp. didn't read after this.

>>221229852
Love is just a feeling. Making someone feel a feeling isn’t taking away their free will. He didn’t say “she needs to cook for me and clean my house and suck my dick every night and birth 14 children”. Which is what I would have said.

>>221231670
understanding that if i were a german in the 1930s i would have been a nazi.
and highly likely so would you have been

>>221229879
Except you

>>221234802
Arranged marriage is the backbone of civilization.

>>221236925
The real study was about all forms of sexual assault including shit like some ugly guy asking for a hug.

>>221236823
> dont i deserve a little attention
> 55K likes
> 7688 replies
fuck women

Nice guys stopped being a thing in 2015, bear is only modelled on them becuase a red pill or black pill guy is too unlikable to be a protagonist and they would probably just wish for money to manipulate women after like Ian

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>>221232574
>because he went along with it before things went bad when his wish came true?
Cause he brought her home and fucked the shit out of her immediately after confirming she lied (indirectly also confirming the wish came true) instead of fixing things then and there. Up until the date, bear has plausible deniability and could've saved everyone a lot of trouble by just convincing a passerby to fix shit. He instead raped her knowing full well it was against her will, and her growing desperation and attempts of breaking out post hence are fully on him for ignoring the signs.
Near the ending, they spell it out plain as day, no matter how much theyre both suffering Bear was willing to keep Nikki tied down for his own benefit even as he stopped loving her.

>>221230653
exactly

Is this movie hot in any way? Will my libido be stirred? I like yanderes and I'm an abusive manipulator btw if it matters

>>221229871
They’d say this even if what the man did was way more mild and nonviolent

>>221238760
youre really stupid if you think anything he did is rape

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>>221239691
You wouldn't know rape if it hit you in the prostate, slut.

>>221235430
Need to have a space where there are privacy tents and stuff but also quick and easy access for law enforcement to come whoop your ass if you pull some retarded shit in there and prove yourself ubworthy of living in human society. Plus it brings a sense of community. And also its hot that its in a park.

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>>221235260
Hi retard. Prostitution does not fulfill or validate incels. If hookers was a quick fix on dealing with the feral scrote question then feral scrotes would have been eradicated eons ago (or never existed to begin with).
I know males are allergic to reality, but the truth is, you are kind of just a vestigial organ of humanity. You guys can't give birth or rear children. If males gave birth (or all women were just comatose/artificial wombs like some of you guys like to fantasize about) you would rape your newborns to death, making the human race go extinct within a generation (at best). Even if you weren't a pedophilic sex pest and could resist raping something as vulnerable and defenseless as a newborn, moids have poor impulse control. You would bash a babies head against a wall or shake it to death the moment it started crying. Very few men have an instinct to nurture vulnerable creatures, especially when you are stressed out by a babies nonstop screaming and demanding for constant contact and presence.
You claim all you want is sex, but this isn't true. Men want validation, they want unlimited sex partners who voluntarily and willingly want to be with them.
Sure, you don't want to emotionally invest in said partner because you are dead inside, incapable of forming any sort of meaningful bond with another living thing, but you still are a sentient sperm cell who feels entitled to every pussy and womb on earth. The problem is, so does every other y-chromosome blighted retard you cohabitate with.
Finally, your reddit spacing makes you look even gayer than you already do. Which is crazy because you just admitted you pay to have sex with women. That's crazy dude. In a world filled with pickmes and handmaidens lining up to coddle and play bangmommy some of the worst scrotes on earth (for free), you have to pay. How embarrassing.

>>221229218
The only thing this film got right is that all women are monster

>>221229447
Reality is mundane. Villains use corn syrup

>>221229294
classic tricks of "say something believable/true in order to bait people in trusting that you know what you're talking about, and then slip in absolute ridiculous slop". even with that tactic, the first two posts are pushing it, and borderline incel babble.

>>221230390
You know I use indexing to identify everyone in these threads.
Without fail everyone posting like you is fat (you) or a freak and the people you are criticizing are just average guys.

>>221238760
>Cause he brought her home and fucked the shit out of her immediately after confirming she lied (indirectly also confirming the wish came true) instead of fixing things then and there. Up until the date, bear has plausible deniability and could've saved everyone a lot of trouble by just convincing a passerby to fix shit. He instead raped her knowing full well it was against her will, and her growing desperation and attempts of breaking out post hence are fully on him for ignoring the signs.
>Near the ending, they spell it out plain as day, no matter how much theyre both suffering Bear was willing to keep Nikki tied down for his own benefit even as he stopped loving her.
and you're acting like this is evil, women don't really make choices anyway, so what's the difference?

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>>221240704
Even Anya?

>>221240669
>Hi retard. Prostitution does not fulfill or validate incels. If hookers was a quick fix on dealing with the feral scrote question then feral scrotes would have been eradicated eons ago (or never existed to begin with).
>I know males are allergic to reality, but the truth is, you are kind of just a vestigial organ of humanity. You guys can't give birth or rear children. If males gave birth (or all women were just comatose/artificial wombs like some of you guys like to fantasize about) you would rape your newborns to death, making the human race go extinct within a generation (at best). Even if you weren't a pedophilic sex pest and could resist raping something as vulnerable and defenseless as a newborn, moids have poor impulse control. You would bash a babies head against a wall or shake it to death the moment it started crying. Very few men have an instinct to nurture vulnerable creatures, especially when you are stressed out by a babies nonstop screaming and demanding for constant contact and presence.
>You claim all you want is sex, but this isn't true. Men want validation, they want unlimited sex partners who voluntarily and willingly want to be with them.
>Sure, you don't want to emotionally invest in said partner because you are dead inside, incapable of forming any sort of meaningful bond with another living thing, but you still are a sentient sperm cell who feels entitled to every pussy and womb on earth. The problem is, so does every other y-chromosome blighted retard you cohabitate with.
>Finally, your reddit spacing makes you look even gayer than you already do. Which is crazy because you just admitted you pay to have sex with women. That's crazy dude. In a world filled with pickmes and handmaidens lining up to coddle and play bangmommy some of the worst scrotes on earth (for free), you have to pay. How embarrassing.
Well even if it won't work let us have the prostitution anyway, just to prove it won't work. What are you afraid of?

>>221240736
>this passive aggressiveness straight to ad hominem
it's so easy to spot a foid

>>221229552
So naive. Still running from the truth. You accept everything in the post yet deny the literal only conclusion of where it's coming from. You are a obedient little cog in the machine of white replacement and The Great Reset.

>>221230047
Of course not, but once he realized what was happening he needed to haul ass and free her.

Keeping the situation ambiguous was the right move because it let us sympathize with him. A movie where he knew he was in the wrong from the start would have been a lot less compelling. He only became a villain when he finally grasped what was up and still dragged his feet.

If someone accidentally trapped me in my own mind with a magic entity that was destroying my body and life and friends I expect them to make freeing me their top priority no matter how badly they wish it weren't happening.