The last two episodes were the weakest of the season. Instead of ramping up, the horror element was almost absent.
>>221231570the problem is things are happening that seem to have no effect on characters.
>>221231570I couldn't buy Rhys in that Americana Jaws Amity milieu. Better suited for Mossad roles and glowies. His HBO serial killer show sucked too.
Shows need to stop doing the multiple writer/director thing. Too many cooks in the kitchen and it always suffers for it, with some episodes being standouts and others being absolute dogshit.
It's reddit
>>221231570the mayor's son is cute
>>221231570Why do you keep reposting this dumb opinion as a thread starter?The worst parts were, far and away, the clowny zombieman and the reddit corporate fallout meme sacrifice tapes.
When they were going through the genealogy thing, I was hoping his son wouldn't be the last descendant because it would be so predictable and cliche. Was very happy with Ruth. Then they backtracked on that and really made his son the last descendant for the big ''twist''. This show was disappointing and I hate you faggots for recommending it in the FROM (a much better show) generals. I will never listen to you again.
>>221233739He's ugly and brown but has 2 white parents. Can casting directors not notice when 2 white people have a dark brown son? Absolute laziness
>>221234386You didn't pay attention. His son is the last descendant of the evil dark entity. Makes sense for him to be brown.
That’s disappointing
>>221231570I don''t know why people expect so much from modern TV.
>>221231570At least they dialed down the TDS a bit. Fucking commiefornians.
>>221231570this show just isnt for thirdies
>>221233715No it isn't you fucking homo.
>>221231570It's always the same fucking problem, this ending feels like a mid-season curveball but since shows aren't allowed to have 20 episodes anymore we gotta wait 3 or 4 years to get to an actual conclusion
>>221234386>>221233739He's not his son lol, the mother was a hooah
I loved it. The 9th episode was one of the weaker ones, yes, but overall it was great. I look forward to season 2
>>221231570The fact that this show hasn't gained mainstream notoriety and casuals YET simply confirms a theory I have had for a couple of years now. The current generation. Particularly the woke generation will not latch onto something until it is PERCIEVED as popular. If its not perceived as being popular then they have no use for it because there is no clout to be gained from saying that you like it. For modern wokes and casuals there MUST be clout gained from being into something. If not then they are simply not interested in it. But once it crosses over into being perceived as popular then look out. They will show up and try to take over. They will also do their best to farm clout by saying they were here all along. So many cases where this happens its unreal.
>>221236050people have always been mindless retards
>>221236050I've been avoiding it because Apple tv seems to mostly produce woke trash
>>221236050Maybe it just sucks
>>221236094There is this one far right Christian writer author on youtube that is raving about it. And he's truly full on right wing and calls out shows for being gay especially apple shows and even he is raving about it because its not woke. The show not being woke also might be why the MSM isn't pushing it either but that's just a conspiracy theory on my part.
>>221231913The problem is it was made for multiple seasons. >>221236020
>>221236135Casual zoomer confirmed. (also probably gay)
>>221236152>The problem is it was made for multiple seasonsThat's not a problem. Nearly all of the relevant questions from the first season were answered.
>>221236197Yeah and?There will be more mysteries, there will be more answers and more seasons that you will have to wait YEARS to see, to the point where you don't care anymore and the thing becomes another lost or from or whatever other forgettable show.
>>221236166Naa I'll just watch shows that don't hate white men
>>221231570Nah it was good.The last episode was pretty damn strong, outside of a handful of choices.It's rare for a show in the modern day to be able to be carried hard by the strength of acting performances and a moral dilemma alone, let alone one that is a season finale. A lesser show would have resorted to spectacle.The only shows I can think of that have done it deftly without resorting to pure drama or feeling preachy are golden era Trek (TNG/DS9) and more recently The Orville.The only problem with the finale was Bechir's 'soap opera the OC mmmm whatcha say' shooting and potential killing of Ruth. I don't know what I would have done differently though. They wanted to leave it open ended, and had to recut the original ending for the renewal I guess.But is Ruth dead or not? Them throwing the brooch suggests she is, but showing her still conscious after being shot suggests otherwise. But if she's alive then they're going to have to explain why she was shot while at home during a thunderstormAnyways yea I thought everything outside of Bechir shooting Ruth was good, or they should have fully committed to the killing with whomever who attempted to kill Ruth after Tom stayed his hand (be it Bechir or Wyck) also killing themselves.
>>221236352People don't mind waiting as long as mysteries aren't built on top of other mysteries but are neatly resolved.People only mind if it's mystery box, or if it feels meandering filler without a strong focus.Wednesday s1 - strong whodunnit. Mysteries resolved in a timely fashion. Every scene has a purpose of advancing the plot or introducing us to something new to the world.Wednesday s2 - pandering slop. A bunch of inconsequential red herrings that should have been nixed in the writer's room. Returned to visit multiple resolved plots and characters from first season for no reason like trying to squeeze drops of water out of a wrung out towel. Most scenes felt like asinine filler, the worst of it being the kpop body switch montage. I don't even remember what it's about when I remember clearly s1 being about the puritan founder of Jericho.
>>221231913This.
>>221231913>>221236645Nah that's "did you even watch it" tier criticism.Shep, Reverend, Shaman, Janny all dead.Tom nearly died to hag and experienced a mental break and slow descent into madness the entire season.Compare this to X-files or something where Scully brushes off every paranormal thing every week, Fringe, LOST, Supernatural, FROM, AHS and it's no contest. Widow's Bay is better all around.
>>221236802Most of those are episodic MoTW shows. WB is in a bit of a no man's land between episodic and serialized. It has the pacing, tone and structure of a serialized show but with episodic plotlines that never feel like they resolve since everything else is telling you that this show is serialized. The worst offender of this was the mushroom episode. Nothing that happened ended up really mattering at all. The show is just very disjointed and unfocused. It has "and then" writing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGUNqq3jVLgDon't get me wrong I still enjoyed the show (particularly the first 4 episodes) but it has some serious issues.
>>221236973the issue is that it's half of a show. Add the other 10 episodes, give it a proper conclusion and it'd work just fine
>>221237015The "and then" writing is an issue that can't be resolved by new episodes. They dun goof'd.Seriously, go watch the show with that writing principle in mind. It's jarring.
>>221236973Mushroom episode is actually very good on rewatch. The plot device is used to rapidly develop the plot (which would feel lazy or cheap on a less well-written show).So if you were fully engaged with the plot episode 5 was very rewarding.
>>221236973>The show is just very disjointed and unfocused.I disagree. The show is written in three acts and it flows fairly well. The only disjointed part was episode 6.Act 1 "Setup": Episode 1 to 4Act 2 "Confrontation": Episode 5 to 8Act 3 "Resolution": Episode 9 and 10
I was fine with the show until the finale. Even episode 9 where not much happened it at least everything up properly. Then nothing happened in the finale and the whole thing was just a cliffhanger. Fuck that.
>>221237167set* everything up
>>221236166>complains about people only getting into shows when there is the perception of high status>immediate retort when someone says the show is bad is to call them low status
>>221234386>has 2 white parentsWhy have I seen so many posts saying this when it's explained in the niglet's first scene that his whore mother was already knocked up before the cuck decided to convince her to marry him
>>221237313Can you post a screenshot or a webm of that scene? Because that never happened.
>>221237313What episode?
>>221237313Tom Loftis was the one who knocked her up you fucking spastcaited nigger
>>221237601spasticated*
>druggie gets tornado'd into the heavens>think things are going to habbening>one last descendant>think it's working up towards Tom's son being it>that shitty fucking excuse for "comedy" where they went through the entire family tree as slowly as possible>it was just fucking Ruth, a character Tom already kind of hates and has had like 15 seconds of screentime totalShould I just stop watching here? Honestly this entire scene feels so stupid that I feel like it's not even worth finishing the show nor waiting for season 2.
>>221237263He's low status because the show objectively doesn't suck. And him saying it sucks means he either hasn't seen it, thus confirming my original assertion or he has shit taste and is better off watching that Mr. Best gameshow withe the slides and bouncing balls or something else more his speed.
>>221237643I really don't get why some of you are acting like the show is some ultra high brow 2deep4you masterpiece. It's just a fun haunted island show. Relax, you're becoming Rick and Morty fan tier insufferable.
Some of you just love being contrarians. I liked all the episodes, the finale was great
>>221231913it's especially a problem for the show since their original ideas are so damn weak, honestly i can't even think of anything original on the show but was entertained because there is fuck all else to watch on a weekly cadence
>>221237688Rick & Morty WAS goated until it got popular and the wokes showed up and took over and ran the creator out of town just like I said always happens.
>>221231913>>221237754>the problem is things are happening that seem to have no effect on characters.This is such a false statement in makes one wonder if you are actually retarded or just pretending to be retarded for keks. Just about every major character has serious character progression from the first episode to the last. The mayor (who is the main character) goes from a wimpy non believer drowning in ankle deep water to a true believing stone cold killer by the final episode. The non-believing Sherriff as well. Saying nobody is affected is just more smoothbrained retardation.
should've gone full camp and had Ruth turn into a witch that Tom has to fight off. Have her be angry that there are tourists on the island and it makes her work extra hours when she just wants to go home early every day. We didn't need almost all of the episode dedicated to hearing Ruth tell her life story just for a lame reveal that, shocker, Tom's wife is her daughter and his son is the last descendant. Then the storm ends when a random character we know nothing about is sacrificed in the room he accidentally discovers. It was all lame as fuck.
>>221231570Last episode was comfy as fuck you people will complain about anything
>>221237920>should've gone full camp and had Ruth turn into a witch that Tom has to fight off.Zero moral quandary and would have been extremely cliche'd.
great show, great finale
>>221237781You have the humility and self-awareness of an Indian teenager. Jesus Christ.
>C Ca ...Can I have a Stephen King?
I can fix Patricia
>>221237978did anyone else see that coming from a mile away? also i hate mayors son and his pothead friends, one of them shouldve died instead of the janitor
>>221238250a lot of us saw it coming but it didn't matter because it was executed so well and a satisfying plot development for tom. i don't mind the son and his friends. they're kids, they act like kids.
>>221238250>also i hate mayors sonThat was one of the only notes I had for the show going forward. Other than that no notes at all. But going forward they need to make the son more likeable if we are going to care whether he gets sacrificed to Chuthulu or not. Like give him his own agency. I was thinking maybe an episode where he does something heroic instead of merely being a s.imp getting manipulated by a bunch of even more annoying potheads.
>>221231570Last two? Fell off after the mushroom trip half way. Also 8 is the worst episode.1 and 4 were great, 2 was legitimately scary, 5 was hilarious.
>>221237688You know that pic was a joke right...
>>221238357Ep. 5 is objectively the worst episode. Its even rated the worst on imdb so its official. Bakeheads insisting its the not the show's one boring filler episode be damned.
Yeah I wish there was some other reason that the demon didn't go away after the zombie dude's death. I was hoping the next episode would show Tom and his son ferrying off the island only for his son to die and that's how he finds out the curse is still active. Two birds one stone, annoying son dead and knowing shit is still bad. Plus it would break Tom, which would be great. Instead we get more dumbass son scenes and all the drama that comes with it. Also the boogeyman scene was so extra that it felt dumb.>he's in the house, not a single girl notices>he sprints through the room causing thudding so loud Patricia could hear it outside then jumps through the fucking window and lands>not a single girl even looked or apparently heard shitLike I get the show is comedy, but some of the scenes are just so stupid. The birthday party episode had good comedy, when you realize everyone making fun of the tiara was actually making fun of her shaman headdress and that Rosemary knew what was up the entire time and just went with it, funny as hell and the premise of a cursed witch book disguising itself as a self help book for this cute little autistic hag was funny as hell too. Boogeyman scenes, dumb and over the top.
>>221236050>apple tvwho the fuck has apple tv
>great episodes2, 4, 5, 10>good episodes1, 3, 8>alright episodes6, 7, 9
>>221238435>alright episodes>6You cast Betty Gilpin and you don't have her in tight revealing clothing?
>>221238415>only for his son to die and that's how he finds out the curse is still activeYou would make a terrible writer. You just took away all of the steaks because the mayor would just leave. There really wouldn't be any reason for him to stay on the island. The show would be over.
>>221238410>the shitmunchers didnt like it so its officially bad, okayhard disagree. the blackout-return gags all landed. the drug dealer was funny. the intro and very end were nice and creepy.
>>221238451He stays because he is obsessed with stopping the demon who took away his wife and son.
>this show is amazing!!!!>horror comedy>it's just okok thanks /tv/
>>221238250Yeah but not everything has an unpredictable twist. It was satisfying and well executed.
>>221238432People with any taste. They are certainly better than Netflix which is filled with either woke trash or algorithm slop. Then Disney Plus...lol that doesn't even need to be explained why apple tv is better than that.
>>221238467That's not compelling enough and its TOO dark for a horror comedy anyway.
>>221238435Throw 8 into its own bad category and Id agree.
>>221238488Its like 8% comedy. Normal shows are filled with reddit quips every five seconds. The comedy in Widows Bay is drier and subtler. The showrunner is from Parks and Rec but is smart enough to keep the comedy to a bare minimum and doesn't let it ruin serious or dramatic moments with reddit MCU style quips.
>>221238488ThisI'm starting to think there's a shill campaign
>>221238597I’m starting to think anons have undiagnosed schizophrenia
>>221238607This was debunked.
>>221238597I mean the first 5 episodes were great. Also what does great mean in the era of shit tv. This is one of the best shows ever made in the 2020's but that doesn't mean much.
>>221238645Yeah, I enjoyed it too, but there's a small handful of anons glazing it so hard in every thread you'd think it was the greatest show of all time the way they talk about it. It feels super forced.
>>2212384354>7>6>8>3>2>10>9>>>5
>>221238700>Yeah, I enjoyed it too, but there's a small handful of anons glazing it so hard in every thread you'd think it was the greatest show of all time the way they talk about it. It feels super forced.You say that about every show though. Also now that Widows Bay has ended name ONE (1) show on air right now worth watching. There literally aren't any. Widows Bay is literally he best show of 2026 and there aren't any other shows worth watching right now as far as I know of so yeah.
>>221238607This was confirmed years ago.
>>221238767>name ONE (1) show on air right now worth watchingVCR Party Live.
>>221238767>You say that about every show thoughNigga you don't know meI can only assume that you mean all of /tv/ when you say "you" which implies (you) aren't from around here
>>221231570The show turned to shit with the flashback episode
>>221238822Fake hair, fake tits, massive cock bulge with emerging five o'clock shadow. Yeah I know you.
>>221238767>Strip Law>From>Widows BayIts 3rd.
>>221238870>how do you do, fellow 4channelers?
>>221238914Never heard of Strip Law. I watched the first half of From when it was free on Prime for a minute and it was more stretched out typical mystery box and it was a struggle to get as far as I did.
>>221236441I like Widows Bay S1 overall more than Servance S1 even though the final two episodes of Severance S1 are better than any single episode of Widows Bay. It just that the WB season is stronger overall. For me WB is my personal favorite show since Andor. That's how much I have a boner for this show. It avoids obvious pitfalls like the plague that other shows would normally fall into.
>>221231570What is this show about? Stranger Things but for adults? Its not like From is it? I hated From.
>>221236074They complain about all of the ad algorithms yet still rely on them to tell them what to like and think. Its nuts. Apple doesn't really advertise their shows until Season 2. So when Apple starts advertising WB in earnest prior to Season 2 these same haters will be all over it just like what happened with Severance.
>>221239535>Stranger Things but for adults?That's The Boroughs (now cancelled). It's more like The League of Gentlemen.
>>221239535>Stranger Things but for adults?Pretty much. But its not a show like From where is just a one big giant mystery box that you know is empty. Widows Bay is more of an old school monster of the week type show with an overarching season plot underneath everything like how shows like X-Files used to do. Modern shows are basically 8 to 10 hour movies where individual episodes blend together because everything is 100% serialized like with Pluribus. Every episode was serialized with no real three act structure of its own. Widows Bay is more old school three act structure with its individual episodes. But at the same time there is a major arc that hangs above everything.
>>221239646Sorta like American Horror Story then?
>>221239729More episodic than American Horror Story but yeah
>>221239729>Sorta like American Horror Story then?American Horror Story Season 1 kind of. But Widows Bay has better characters and it has subtle dry humor sprinkled here and there that absolutely works because its not tired reddit marvel style humor. There are no quips.
>>221239785>>221239768Alright, I'll give it a watch then.
>>221239823
>>221238504Yeah "subverting expectations" for its own sake is how you get crap like TLJ. Or even Lost in the later seasons where they were literally monitoring forums to see if anyone predicted any outcomes and they would change it just to be unpredictable instead of letting things play out and having it all make sense.
>>221240799accounting for audience reactions usually pushes creators to make things shittier not better. that's why i'm worried about season 2. just keep doing what they're doing and everything will be fine.
>>221231570Terrible ending, they should have just wrapped it up or make it a cliffhanger.I won't suffer through another season of boring tropes just for the magical solution that saves the major's son which is of course his dad sacrificing himself for him.
>>221231570I want a viking show spin off.Early explorers from Erik The Red settle on this island.No survivors.COMON APPLE.
>>221240920It basically was a cliffhanger when you think about it.The keeper of the island, his son, opened the basement and it wants 8 more now with the bell tolls - the video was clear on that instruction.That's why Kenny the maintenance guy died and it all stopped, because his son offered the sacrifice.
>>221231570The show started losing me when they did the time jump to the replacement wife of the town founder. Episode 6 I think. First five were great.
>>221238250I had two theories, this ending was one of them. the other theory was that Ruth knew all along and Tom was gonna walk in on her communing with the Island and readying a sacrifice.>>221238196There's nothing to fix. You just have to be there for her.
>>221238326There's the one scene between Evan and the Sheriff that humanized the kid a little bit, but only in relation to the Sheriff's view of him and the other Island kids. The scene where Tom returns home after the events with Richard Warren and is confronted by Evan, but no one is angry and they bond a bit over his mother's photos and letters also did a bit to endear me to Evan. But again, they needed another character to make that happen. By himself Evan is a faggot. They're not gonna kill him off till there's another member of the bloodline though, the Island won't allow it.
>>221236050Grace Randolph is woke as fuck and she loved the show. I don't know why the fuck did you even bring /pol/faggotry into this. Just leave it at normalfags. But then it's not a "current generation" thing, normalfags always follow what is already trending.
>>221241038Of course but season 2 will start with very low stakes again in 4-5 years until the very last episodes, it's so pointless.
>>221240920>I won't suffer through another season of boring tropes just for the magical solution that saves the major's son which is of course his dad sacrificing himself for him.See you in Season 2 every week right here next to the rest of us.
>>221241200>its pointlessIt's entertainment media. The point is to be entertaining. If you don't like it don't watch it. If you do like it, fucking pirate it like a normal person and tell Apple to eat your ass.
>>221241195Mommy Grace and her fat thicc ass is the reason I found the show in the first place. She got early access to the show and recommended it prior to the Season premiere. As far as normies and wokes showing up after it gest popular that's exactly how things tend to play out. Another Anon mentioned Rick & Morry and I pointed out how that is exactly how the RL timeline played out with that show once it got popular. There is ALWAYS a danger of wokes showing up late to the party and taking over and turning things to shit. Its not the normies that ruin everything. They are simply late to the party and follow popular trends. Its the wokes that show up late and actively try to take over and ruin things.
>>221241426Critics who reviewed the show including Grace Randolph are woke anon, you realize that? Technically they arrived first by this metric. Either way in reality only people who can ruin this show are the writers themselves if they fuck up Season 2.
>>221241522There are only like three major channels in my feed that have reviewed or even heard of Widows Bay. The rest of the reviews are from channels I have never heard of. Mommy Grace is the biggest channel I have seen mention the show but the rest of the channels. Especially the "Drinker" crowd have been totally silent and it isn't even on their radar yet. There is one turbo right wing christian channel that I subscribe to that raved about it though. He always complains about shows being woke and gay and actively mentions shows being "woke" and "gay" out loud. Even he went out of his way to rave about Widows Bay for not being woke.
>>221237897the character development is sitcom tier since everything is fixed in 20minutes or scooby doo's over a 'to continued' arc that almost goes nowhere likd how the kid HATED dad for a whole 20minutes about hiding the truth about his mom and how could Tom not become a believer after he had a sea hag and a zombie fuck up his daily life, again do something original
>>221241813>how the kid HATED dad for a whole 20minutes about hiding the truth about his momKids are schitzo like that IRL. Also Tom explained how his mom was ACTUALY RETARDED from a stroke and was near homicidal. Like smother a baby with a pillow levels of homicidal. So yeah it kind of checks out why he hid the truth. From the sons point of view it all checks out.
This is the first show I've seen that actually gets the philosophy of the Trolley Problem, every other show eventually frames it as a "lesser of two evils" with elements of selfishness.
Personally3 = 2 = 4 > 10 = 1 = 8 > 5 = 9 > 7 > 68 and 9 are still decent episodes but their problem the episodes are too short.And only one thing happens in 7.3 strikes the best balance between stuff happening and spooks. They talking about shooting the inaugural swim scene here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoMM-AyB0Ks&t=1141>>221238435Based 10 appreciator, but why did you rate 5 so high.
>>221242286Yeah, but it's also extremely midwit to have to literally spell it out
>>221241284What was ep5?
>>221242741Mushroom trip.
>>221242774That episode had some of the best humour, even if the scares were low
>>221241899On of the more subtle things from the last episode was seeing the Mayor react at realising his wife wasn't imagining the other mother. Feel like there's going to be an episode set in the asylum with her.
>>221238250>>221237978What should be the takeaway here is...HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS HAPPENED THE LAST 400 YEARS?HOW MANY KEKS AND HOES AND HIDDEN BABIES?God damn, I swear
>>221241284Ep6 was the worst
>>221242774Huh. Not the strongest one, but I think the old time flashback shit and the zombie slapstick was worse.
>>221242797A lot happens in 5 is why I like it, it's more fun on a rewatch.We see the boogeyman's house I think for the first time? and the gas station.
>>221242878Yup 6 7 was the worst.But it couldn't be helped given they were exposition episodes.
IT'S UP
>>221236050I think you're right but also, how many people have AppleTV+ lmao
The humor was almost absent the final 2 episodes, but at the start of the season it was the main thing keeping me entertained. As a supernatural horror it's just not that deep or unpredictable because of its use of tropes.
>>221242845>>221241284I really disliked 8 and don't know why its rated so highly, I get the Halloween reference but the Boogeyman did absolutely nothing for how much he was hyped in the previous episodes, the two people he killed literally had to run straight into him to die, he had the chance to kill the mean girl clique but instead jumped off the window because ???, it was just a waste of what was a pretty scary looking entity.
>>221231570episode 8 was pretty trash too
>season 1 ends>0 explanations about peoples agesReally? Not even another hint?
>>221244097it honestly ruined the show for me
>>221244097To me it was ok, but you're right it ended up being a wasted opportunity. Kind of a reoccurring issue with the show is the monsters of the week are dealt with too easily then just get completely disregarded.
>>221231570they were goodhorror elements were shit and worthless
>>221244197For as much as he was hyped I was expecting him to be the focus of a new season not just a monster of the week
>>221231570RLM just reviewed the Widows Bay. They loved it.
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>>221242286Nah, Ruth didn't even consider that sacrificing one person to save many is heroic in and of itself. Sure life comes at you randomly, but you have a way to control it and the onus is on the lever puller to make a decision and not "let life just pass em by even if it sucks". You can say "you are choosing to kill 1 person" but you can also say "you are choosing to save X amount of people"People with Ruth's philosophy would be a town full of idiots who get pillaged, raped, and sold off to slave traders because "well that's just life lol!"
>>221231570But the shills in the /from/ generals insist it's the greatest horror tv show ever made
>priest founds out what he needs to do when the bell tolls>doesn't tell anyone and then kills himself>now other people are dying because he was too much of a pussy and now only Dale knows what's going on
>>221236020Spending the first half of the episode ramping the threat level way up and then crashing that car into Rosemary's brick wall presentation was the funniest shit I've seen on television since the Dougie Jones days
>>221241195She's got hot takes for sure.
>>221245416It's alright, but it's not great.
>>221246834Where is Grace's office? Does anyone recognize the buildings behind her?
>>221237473>>221237474"Yeah, she had no interest in dating me. That took persistence on my part. But four months later, we were married. And, yes, it's no secret that she was already pregnant with you"he's referring to this, Ep1 20 minutes inobviously you can interpret this as Tom knocking her up in the four months, but how the fuck is the kid black if that's the case?
>>221237978>great show, great finaleIt's weird that all the nitpicking itt changed my mind on it being a great show to becoming true kino.Such minor complaints show how strong Season 1 actually was.
>>221238196>PatriciaI know I wasn't alone in thinking she was gonna be the last survivor of zombie-man. They even teased it x2 right before the entire Ruth reveal.
Rosemary best character in the show
>>221247832It was ok
