Is this the most perfect film ever created?I re-watched it yesterday and I can say that it has zero bad or unnecessary moments, everything about it to me is perfect, discuss.
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the CGI squids suck, there's ham-fisted 'they're part of THE SYSTEM, maaan' anti-cop dialogue, downloading skills (rather than training) feels cheap/lame, and Keanu Reeves can't act.the most perfect film ever made is Back to the Future, and it's not even close.
>>221233147It is a great sci-fi action film, but really it's not even the best out of all of those. Aliens and Predator mog it
>>221233147Yeah it's my favorite movie as wellt. high iq chad
>>221233209Back to The Future isn't even decent. It is only interesting as a curiosity from a bygone era.
All the kung fu stuff (almost) ruins Matrix for me. And the sequels have even more of it.
>>221233174I would.
>>221233209Back to the Future sucks. Who Framed Roger Rabbit is Robert Zemeckis' best film by far
>>221233537>>221233575i originally wrote a whole ADHD/speed-fuelled spiel on how Back to the Future isn't even a film i super enjoy, just that it's 'perfect' in the sense all the moving parts came together the way they did.that was the trimmed-down version of my post. but i think the broader point is we take that shit for granted, or that sometimes good movies occur through happenstance.
>>221233209>the cgi in 1999 looks like it is from 2010That means it was cutting edge dumbass.
>>221234079nah man i'm not about to complain about the (other) digital special effects in The Matrix, shit looks great, and obviously makes sense.but when the spooky squids show up in their 'real' world, made of metal and tubes, and we're meant to take that as real, it totally kills my suspension of disbelief.pic is a shower hose. they could have filmed a shower hose. that's the robot attacking, i'd buy into it. otherwise, it's like intertitles stating 'the robots attack!'
>>221234398You are watching movies wrong, you are not supposed to think so much about superficial things like that.You take in the emotion and the message of the movie and enjoy the visuals for their beauty.
>>221233147the story certainly is
>>221233209The final battle in back to the future with biff trying to run over Marty is pretty lame
>>221234398wtf the squids look fine though? They look cool too with all the tentacles and eyes, and the music is perfect when they fly around. They look ok? Am I remembering them wrong? Also they were smart and kept them in the dark
the whole opening right up to when trinity escapes the matrix is so kick ass
>>221233209Matrix gives you genuine real "feels", every second of it is beautifully crafted by people who actually cared, i don't get those kind of feelings from a movie like back to the future, not even close
>>221235867Post the actual good looking cut.
>>221233147It's just silly nonsense with a few interesting visual ideas. Definitely one of the most overrated films ever.If you're looking for some flaw on its own terms, though: the central idea of using humans as batteries is so ridiculous as to break all immersion and ruin the story completely.They just want a reason to have the whole Matrix thing. Fine. But anyone given an hour could think of half-a-dozen better overall scenarios than the one they went with.
>>221233147I find its aesthetics to be very flawed. A product of their time. Or dated, as one would less favorably say.
>>221234051It's just a high school comedy with a time travel gimmick
Reminder The Matrix (1999) is confirmed by its creators to be an allegory for the transgender experience
>>221235917reminder: there's a hard shift away from green the frame between the intro and the cop's flashlight
>>221235934They're wrong about the batteries, the robots are harvesting human creativity.
>>221235962who cares?
>>221235301>>221235667i enjoy The Matrix, but you are both mental midgets. not every special effect has to achieve 1:1 photorealism, granted; there's room for creativity or a specific style. Hollywood figured out right away that if we use human beings as actors (rather than e.g. monkeys), the audience's brains will fill in a few blanks. i can follow along with the story of Charles Foster Kane as a person, he's a guy who has ordinary human drives and vices, that's where the conflict comes from.you slap something shiny on the screen, it doesn't look real, suddenly the world is no longer real. it's like it goes from 'people' to 'not people'. it's not the same as a novel or a cartoon where it was a novel or a cartoon the whole time. and if your argument is hat it's just flashy silly shiny things look at how shiny they are, my boy Aristotle put it best:>The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet.
>>221233209back to the future is fucking gay
>>221233147It's probably the most overrated movie of all time dumbass
>>221233147>Is this the most perfect film ever created?well, is it Bloodsport? then no
>>221235917i know this looks better 'as a film'.but damn it i do just really like the idea of the green tint. i'm willing to lie and say it was always that way, retcon reality a little.besides, have you ever seen the original colouration of The Good, the Bad and The Ugly? are you SURE?
>>221236203Shut the fuck up faggot
>>221236203It works because the squids aren't inside the simulation of everyday life, they're in the world ruled by robots where there's no sun and everything is supposed to be alien to humans. The "real world" shouldn't feel real, the simulation should.
>>221235953Thanks for telling the class of your mental retardation anon, appreciated.
>>221233147That would be Texas Chainsaw Massacre but Matrix is close.
Its the most perfect, trimmed fat, version of the hero's journey, thats for sure. And then the shitty sequels ruined everything.
>>221235917Anyone who saw this in the cinema in 1999 like me, knows te NOT-GREEN version si superior. The entire third act has natural colors and lighting and make the rooftoops acion scene unforgettable.
>>221237623What the actual fuck.TCM has to be one of the blandest garbage movies I've ever seen. I only remember ONE scene, of some guy just standing in the sun waving the chainsaw impotently around for no reason.
KUNG FU HUSTLE is the "most perfect film ever created", followed by both ace ventura films.The matrix and back to the future were good though. Great even.
>>221235917I'll tell you why this is how it's suppose to look. Because distinguishing the real world from the matrix is difficult within the story's theme. Using green as a context clue to the viewer which world they're in undermines that tone entirely.
>>221238038Okay but the real world is also a matrix
>>22123591716mm > green tint >>>>>>>> beige tint from the original home video release
>>221237621Find better movies to defend, pleb
>>221237602nah man, it's just bad CGI. there's too much specularity on the metal texture, the lights don't shine on things realistically (or sometimes at all), and the motion is too smooth.and that's not>it's MEANT to be eerily smooth, because they're robotic creatures therefore--i mean, it's an earlier version of 3ds Max or Maya. and that's just what they could do. it's that kind of smooth.
>>221233209>there's ham-fisted 'they're part of THE SYSTEM, maaan' anti-cop dialoguelol move bad because my heckin piggos and this retard didnt even understand the basic plot point
>>221238122*35mm
>>221238138>that's just what they could doAnd it works, it's a magical floating demon thing lurking in the underworld. In the city with natural lights it would take away from immersion.
>>221233147One of the most overrated movies ever. I don't get the appeal
>>221238038counter-point, this was one of the first 'DVD movies'.we already had videos obviously, but there was a weird shift: films became this art-form that would 'come out on DVD' so you'd be EXPECTED to watch it again and again.it also meant they could 'fix' things. in the behind-the-scenes featurettes of The Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson says he doesn't care about the theatrical cut because 'it'll all be on the DVD anyway.' if you bought Spider-Man 2 on DVD, you were likely watching Spider-Man '2.1' (that's probably the version you know). The Phantom Menace, as it appeared in cinemas, has never been released on video, DVD, or streaming.so fuck it, go watch The Matrix Blu-ray version and pretend you're going in blind. you have no idea what it's about, you've just bought a cinema ticket and you're watching a new film called 'The Matrix'. you'd be more likely to think there's something wrong with the projector than think, 'hmm this green tint must be to indicate that Thomas secretly lives in a simulated reality, and it'll change once he leaves.'
>>221238134I'm sure you're willing to share some examples.You won't be a spineless shit and go into hiding, right?
>>221238215i genuinely envy your way of viewing film, anon.for me it really is just bad production design, even for the time. it's like how stop motion usually looks jerky (SOMETIMES it looks amazing). it's a technical flaw, akin to an actor's wig falling off, or a studio light reflected in a window. it's not secretly 'saying something'. it's hardware/software limitations, not a creative decision.
>>221238244you're brown
The Matrix in 1999 was an absolute phenomenom. The zoomers don't get it
>>221238344It looks fine and actually amazing. It was groundbreaking for the time and blows modern shit out of the water since cgi is regressing hard. We already know this shit is make believe, none of it needs to be so perfect that you can't tell it apart from reality even when microanalyzed frame by frame. It's just a puppet show to tell a story. The worst effects in Matrix are still 8/10 better than the majority of other movies. Stop being an autistic retard.
>>221237682i always thought it was just mandela effect because the promotional poster (and VHS/DVD covers) for the first movie was blue, so people who only watched it once were surprised when they went full "MATRIX GREEN" mode for the sequels even during the marketing
>>221238403Matrix parodies were all the rage up until 2004
No. That movie would probably be Margin Call or Michael Clayton.
>>221237682Seriously, wtf is it with the rooftop scene that makes it so cinematic? Its just a damn rooftop but they pulled some Kubrick tier magic to make it seem like the best piece of cinema you've ever seen
>>221233438And there it is
>>221238531Kek
>>221238527The over the top action has emotional weight instead of just being a spectacle, like how holding on to the helicopter chain is a love story. After a bunch of scenes establishing doubt he trusts himself and the girl completely so everything aligns, in that moment he's without sin despite being a flawed human, Jesus not a mary sue.
>>221233147apart from the soundtrack, it wasn't. the animatrix shorts properly expanded the world which shows how badly the first movie flubbed it and reloaded expanded it past a concept. the dark knight is probably the definition of actual kino, and expelled from paradise properly illustrates the settings with human administrators in a more believable scenario. for its time the matrix was good, but I'd easily put those two above it, one all the way on top and the other right over it.
>>221238425nah man this isn't some nitpicking, it's shit that's right there on the screen. a /3/ guy could explain the particulars better.but same way you detect e.g. bad acting and it takes you out of the scene, this is like the visual equivalent.i can believe the guys are flying around on a hovership when, in reality, it's a film set. it looks great.but then it cuts to a PS1 FMV of a glossy squid attacking their ship, and it might as well have been an intertitle saying>And then the Sentinels draw closer!--what will our heroes do?!i'm not actively trying to look for flaws. it's like if a metal spaceship set wobbles. it takes me out of it. sorry, anon, i just have eyes. i also do have respect for the 3D animators and i'm guessing they did the best they could, i think it was just shy of looking right when mixed with live action scenes.other effects look fine, as i've said. i'm sure there are plenty of elements that were 3D/CGI and i didn't even notice. it's just those damn squids.
>>221233438This only really work with sound effects
>>221235934True. IIRC they were originally supposed to be using the humans brains for computing but went with batteries cause they thought the audience is too dumb to understand the original idea.
>>221233147it's absolutely fantastic, my partner and I rewatch it every pride month and march in our matrix attire along with everyone else
>>221238138This looks cool you dumb faggot
>>221240008it looks like a cheesy news show intro, or a 90s PC game FMV, e.g.:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X3GD0UnBCk^ this is cool, and impressive, but in a different way to a motion picture. imagine if you switched between 'pre-rendered PC game video file' abd 'live action actors' scenes. that's what The Matrix (1999) feels like in the final act, except you're expected to take these squids as a serious threat. the music blares, the characters look scared, etc.it's comical, and mars an otherwise good movie. i'm not just saying 'hurr durr practical effects are always better' i'm saying the CGI is bad, it was bad at the time, even if that's the best they could do with the software available. i first saw the film in 2001 and thought this, it reminded me of Donkey Kong Country (the cartoon). i LOVED '3D' shit at the time.imagine if your movie had amazing acting and cinematography, but the score was all MIDI files. it'd be like that.
The 4th one is the best one
>>221233147>Is this the most perfect film ever created?It literally is, yes.
