Why was Skyler so much more annoying than Carmela despite technically being a better person. For me it also applies to how Tony's kids were far less annoying than Walt Jr.
Both used the only weapon they had, their pussy
>>221245502>Skylar>Mother of 2GOOOOOD MORNING SAAAAAAAAR
>>221245566Is this a bot?
>>221245502Because there isn't a single episode where she acts like a loving wife or even a good moral person. Even when Walt is first given the death sentence, before Skylar suspects or knows there is anything else going on, she decides her wants and opinions are more important than Walt's, that it should still be Walt supporting and doing what she wants rather than the other way around. It's not morals or virtues that holds her back from being more evil than Walt or everyone in the drug world, it's her own mediocrity and lack of capability.
>>221245566>t. watched breaking bad through youtube shorts
>>221245502there are scenes in sopranos where the show criticizes Carmela for being mob boss wifethere are no scenes in breaking bad that criticize Skylar. Even when she's cheating on walter Skylar is still "a good wife" because her husband is a drug dealer
>>221245502Carmella at least questioned her priors. She sought therapy. She considered cheating. She was genuinely embarrassed that Meadow's friend turned her life around and did better than Meadow. Skylar never for one second cut Walt a break or had a single doubt for a single second about her narrow minded dogma and poor treatment of her betrothed
How would things go if Carmela was Walter's wife? I know she wouldn't marry a chemistry teacher but whatever let's just entertain the idea
>>221245502Carmela is hotter
mike was the strong silent type
>>221245502Skylar: Births a retard and then a girl
>>221245760Carm did that but backwards
>>221245502wtf is even skylar for a name? never head anyone called like that
>>221245602They fucked up imo. Skyler fucking sucked right from the start by beginning as a backdrop to support the story that Walt's life was mundane and boring and pathetic for someone of his genius. Then they did shit like Skyler being a total cunt when she thinks the guy dying of cancer is such a monster for choosing to smoke pot.
>>221245502everyone loves a ride or die bitch
>>221245502She's too manly
>>221245838Is it really? I thought it was one of those dumb California names ending in ler.
>>221245803Gets even worse when you realize that originally, she wasn't even supposed to be pregnant. It was the actress that pointed out that "Hey, why is my character such a lazy entitled cunt making my husband work a second humiliating job while I'm at home doing nothing to help the family?"
>>221245729Anna mogged in one scene the entire 6 seasons of what Edie was trying to do
>>221245934irrelevant. SWNBAM
>>221245502I rewatched breaking bad when I was older and this time I was on her side the entire time and hated Walt.Rewatch it when you’re older. It’s a different show. Unless you’re retarded and your brain stopped developing in your teens.
>>221245502The main difference is being a criminal is the norm in Sopranos while in BB, it's a taboo especially with law enforcement as family.
>>221245502>gives her husband a disinterested handjob on his 50th birthday; not picking up how depressed he had been feeling that dayCarm would at least suck Tony's dick on his birthday.
>>221245502I think that Skyler was written off by 90% of the viewerbases mind when she started smoking while pregnant which was in season 2
Best scene in the show. She calls out his delusions, his insecurities over getting oldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=981wKsfogdg
>>221245502Because Carmela went along with it while Skylar rightfully rebelled.Because people liked the main character they hate their opposition
>>221245502Carmella has depth as a character and the show focuses on her viewpoint a lot. Skyler is purely reactive and a foil against Walt the entire time. Plus it’s made perfectly clear she has zero empathy towards Walt with his cancer diagnosis, and what he might be going through, even before she knew he was a meth cook
>>221245502You go into The Sopranos knowing that T is a gangster and a killer. Just as Carmella entered the marriage understanding this.You head into Breaking Bad knowing Walt is a “good” guy. Just as Skylar entered the marriage understanding it.
>>221246095>>221246175Watching the show for the first time right now (Yeah, I know). Skyler from the start is an overbearing nightmare of a wife who makes a bunch of bad decisions, but Walt quickly outpaces her in the shitty-person department. Only just finished the ep where the twins show up at Walt's house and by this point Walt has been a negative impact on pretty much every character's life.>I like Gus, Hank and Saul a lot, so looking forward to BCS after I finish Breaking Bad.
>>221246175So was I. I’m talking about like 18-20 vs 30+.
>>221245502Carmela didn't have an affair.Also Carmela would have sex with her husband.
>>221245502Carm actually had reason to cheat on Tony but didnt. Skylar had no reason to cheat and steal from Walt.
>>221246624Did you even watch the show? She had sex with AJ’s teacher and had multiple emotional affairs
>>221245502>>221246484this, she smoked while pregnant
>>221246691She and Tony were separated at the time, and she regretted it and considered it a sin. I don't remember Skylar ever showing any remorse
>>221245502wasn't Carmela unaware of the crimes? I think she suspected that a lot of shady stuff was going on but she didnt actually know? I dont remember
>>221246095This
>>221245588Considering all bots are actually Indian, yes
>>221245502Carmela is just more interesting and involved in more interesting situations.
you're not supposed to like skyler, she's presented as one of the reasons he "breaks bad," the slow soul-death from a loveless and controlling spouse. regardless of what evil walt is responsible for down the line, i don't think anyone can watch where he started out without thinking "oof, that sucks."
>>221245778It's a white trash type of name
Carnela knew what her husband was and didn't have a real problem with it. She seemed to actually enjoy the wealth Tony brought her. Skyler refuses to admit that she's also enjoying being a bad girl and just gets all pouty about it even though she loves being evil too.
>>221247124The creator thinks otherwise
>>221245502carmella is an actual characteralso tony is more of a piece of shit and an awful husband
>>221245502Come on dude, Walt Jr was barely a character
it's not about what either did or didn't do. carmela is just much more likeable as a person, whereas skyler can be quite shrill and annoying, and i say this as someone who isn't necessarily a skyler hater. the writing and character development for carmela is also far superior, and edie falco is a tremendous actress. maybe as good as james gandolfini.
>>221245502I think half the reason that Skyler is so hated is because she looks like a complete cunt. Not the character, the actual actor. She looks like she's never naturally smiled in her life. She's in a constant unhappy pout for the entire show.
>>221247383We need a remake of BrBa now with Edie Falco as Skyler. I wonder how much of the looks and performance actually played a role in her being hated.
I love both shows but for some reason I always skip Skyler scenes on rewatches. Doesn't happen with Carm. However I skip the Meadow scenes. Funny that she is a similar stuck up bitch and know-it-all like Sky.
Go look up pics of Skyler on google. There are only a couple where she could be considered to be smiling. If someone included a pic with the definition of resting bitch face it would be of Skyler.
You are NOT to play Mario Kart
My favorite Carmela scene is her watching a dog food commercial that touts how good and loyal your dog has been, and how it deserves their premium dog food.Carmela gets a little teary eyed at the voiceover talking about the dog, then catches herself and yells "What the FUCK is wrong with me?"
>>221245502Because Skylar was ugly.That's it.There's nothing more to be said.Other than that OP is a faggot jeet.
Still annoyed Skyler got an Emmy but not Kimmy
>>221245899If you used behind the name I think it's more like from the term "schuiler" than "scholier"
>>221247155>>221247185She is definitely less immoral than Walt, I don't think you can make an argument otherwise. But someone can be a villain of the story without being morally wrong.
>>221245502Viewers empathized with Walter's rebellion against the system. Those early seasons had her nagging the absolute shit out of Walter, right down to henpecking for what she thought was weed. Then she was also wasting money on ebay but that was dropped.Only once Walter starts acting like a psychopathic manchild did people really start celebrating her character. It was deserved because she's great in those seasons. Walt Jr. is not even a character he's just kind of there.Carmela is just a selfish goon.
>>221245502because people tune in to see the cool guy doing crime and shit so the nagging moralfagging wife is always going to be unpopular. Skyler also has a supreme case of resting bitch face
>>221245502The writing on the Sopranos is much better and meant to make the characters seem like real people the viewer would empathize with, despite their flaws.
>>221247319>edie falco is a tremendous actress. maybe as good as james gandolfini.I think she is as good.
>>221245502Carmela was simply written to be more charming than Skyler. Particularly in the first season of Breaking Bad, Skyler was written to just be an annoying, empty-headed Karen. It must also be said that Carmela never had an affair until her and Tony separated. And the reason they separated in the first place was because Tony was constantly cheating on her with a plethora of mistresses and straight up prostitutes, to the point that his angered ex-girlfriends were dialing up their home. Viewers react negatively to Skyler's cheating because it's a betrayal. Betrayal is a massive taboo in our society, there's a reason why they say the deepest circles of hell are reserved for traitors. In The Soprano's, the character of Ray Curto is seen as more morally bankrupt than the character of Silvio Dante, even though both of them are criminals, committing the same crimes. Ray is seen as worse, because Ray is a traitor, betraying his friends to the FBI. Even though Ray is helping to put an end to the murdering and extorting of the Mob through his actions, while Silvio is helping to keep these crimes going through his actions, if you asked any viewer of the show, who they think is a worse, more morally bankrupt person, between Sil and Ray, I assure you almost everyone would say Ray is more morally bankrupt. To get back to the cheating, it was Tony who betrayed Carmela in the first place through infidelity, so Carmela's fling during their separation does not read as the same betrayal to the viewer as Skyler cheating on Walter. Walter did not betray Skyler first, unlike Tony.
>>221245502Carmela is sometimes funny. Skyler is annoying. Moral outrage doesn't travel by screen. Annoyance does.
>>221245502Breaking Bad but Skylar is not actually a cunt
>>221247383I agree with this, I don't hate Skyler, but I do feel a weird "revulsion" whenever she's crying or being angry, there's just something annoying about her face. I don't have this with other actresses.
>>221247635Yes, the very first episode has the turkey bacon scene which tells she has to make even her husband's 50th birthday about herself, and the sloppy handjob scene that shows she actually does not care about her family. I'm not sure if she smoked that early, but pretty soon we see her smoking while pregnant while carrying a child, after giving a birth to a disabled kid earlier. The creators may say whatever they want but there's absolutely no way Skylar was supposed to be a likable character at that point. She did get better later but the damage was already done. Nobody in the show was both likeable and in the right.
>>221249430Kimmy a true ride or die bitch mogs both of the other hoes
>>221245502Narratively she's one of the symptoms of Walt's shitty life, along with his arrogant students and asshole car wash boss, she's the controlling wife in his passionless marriage. She's also treated like an antagonist from the beginning, more of an obstacle for the main character to get around than a supportive partner. By the time she finds out what he's up to, she's already spent the whole show questioning him and harassing him. There's a scene where he's like "I like going for walks, the air feels good for my cancer riddled lungs and I like looking at the vegetation in the desert." and she's like "Well I don't like not knowing where you are 24/7 so no more walks."Or when she thinks he's smoking weed, again a thing that many people going through chemo do to ease their symptoms, and she takes it upon herself to confront and harass his supposed dealer without telling him. >"Your brother-in-law is in the DEA Walt, do you know how much trouble he'd get in if you were caught smoking a harmless substance that has many medical uses in treating your terrible, life threatening symptoms? Did you even think about Hank's career you selfish piece of shit?"
>>221245502Carmela feels like a character and a real human being.
>>221245502Carmela was supposed to be flawed and unlikeable. Vince expects you to like Skylar.
>>221245760Carmella also birthed a retard and a girl
>>221245502skylar is just a self centered asshole with no redeeming qualitiesthe intervention scene is emblematic of her personality, she got the whole family together to guilt trip walt into doing what she wants, and plays up on the guilt to make walt listen, but the second marie and hank start coming around to walt's side of things she abandons the premise of "honesty" entirely and throws a tantrum that anyone would disagree with her
>>221245502italians simple possess more aura than mayonnaise honkys
>>221245502Carmela was fully aware of Tony's activities and stood by them, her problem with him was mainly the whoooars. Carmela is a ride or die type. When they had to hide stacks of cash and weapons, she helped.
>>221245502It's really simple. Carmella was generally nice and cool to Tony. Skylar was nearly always bitchy and hostile toward Walt.Likability is a question of personality, not morals.
>>221245502IN THE FIRST EPISODE SKYLAR GIVES WALT A HANDJOB UNDER THE COVERSTHE SCENE IS LITERALLY DESIGNED TO MAKE YOU DISLIKE HER!
>>221251352this. dozens of moments like this.>i'll protect my kids by pretending to kill myself
>>221251400Well yeah, who the fuck does handjobs after they're 14?
Skylar is just boring as fuck. And she's a demeaning, and fake cunt. Carmella would smack her in the mouth because she only talks bullshit and looks down on others. And everyone knows a cunt like her too, many of them are our mothers or sisters or gfs. That's why sklyar is so hated. Put it this way, even Janice in the sopranos at least had the balls to just outright be a crazy bitch. But skylar is so boring to watch.
>>221245502Tony's kids were actual characters. You seen them have their own hopes and dreams throughout the show. Walt Jnr in the 2 year timespan of the show is basically the same person at the end. Tony's kids develop more by mid Season 2 than Walt Jnr
>>221245566The show literally starts with her 7 months pregnant what do you think happens in S3 dude
>>221245727She'd bring out Heisenberg in him at least a bit, even before the cancer. She'd find his malaise to be boring and pathetic. She'd probably want him to take back grey matter. She'd actually get along with Walter Jr a lot I think. Walter Jr would be a disabled chad. Also Marie would be way less prissy way faster too. Hank would like her more.
>>221251424Nobody got handjobs at such a young age you creepy pedo larper
>>221245502Because she was a fucking cunt. The early episodes make a point out of how utterly fucking miserable Walt's is, and what a boring, daft cunt his wife is.From what I recall, she's trying to make money by selling shit online, and gives him a half-hearted handy on his birthday. She also constantly bitches and acts like an extreme cunt.Carmela's just a stereotypical mafia wife from the start.
>>221245502The biggest difference is that when Carmela gave Tony shit it was because he was cheating on her, not because of his criminal life. She accepted that he was breaking the law to put food on the table. Walt never cheated on Skylar, which, to the general audience, makes him way more likable than Tony and therefore less deserving of the shit he gets.From a screenwriting perspective, Skylar is also more of a buzzkill character than Carmela. Carmela never gets in the way of Tony doing mob shit that the audience wants to see, but Skylar constantly gets in the way of Walt doing fun meth dealer shit the audience wants to see.
>>221251489Genuine question, were you home schooled?
Skylar is a HR employee. She's the kind of chick you avoid conversation with as much as possible because she just spouts the most NPC shit you'll ever hear. And they put that character on a TV show. It was a mistake to keep giving her scenes. It worked to show how shit Walt's life was and it was interesting seeing the sham of a marriage finally end. Then she should have been gone completely, she was a waste of screen time. But carmella has character.
>>221251530There were so many ways they could have made her interesting or likable, but she was just so annoying. They wrote her to be a bland, controlling, nagging housewife and then were shocked and stunned when people didn't like her.
>>221251513>Carmela never gets in the way of Tony doing mob shit that the audience wants to see, but Skylar constantly gets in the way of Walt doing fun meth dealer shit the audience wants to see.This is the heart of it for me, we're here to watch a crime drama and every interaction with Skylar grinds the momentum to a halt. Carmela's drama was part of the overall personal drama in Tony's life, which is what the show is literally about seeing as it's framed with him going to therapy.
>>221251575I think they knew what they were doing but latched onto the Skylar did nothing wrong shit post hoc for some illusion of depth
>>221251400yeah the handjob is definitely just a handjob for the sake of being a handjob scene and could not possibly imply or inform anything about the nature of their relationship or walt's life that lead up to the events of the series
>ctrl+f "skylar">27 resultsYou guys don't even know the name of the character. It's Skyler.
>>221251683To me it felt like they assumed she'd get enough sympathy for the audience to be on her side at least a little. She's pregnant, she raised a disabled son, even the turkey bacon thing someone mentioned is kind of showing that she cares about Walt and his health in that classic wife way. Walt is literally committing crimes and killing people while she carries his child and tries to support him through his cancer.There is a world where she's a sweet, sympathetic character and we're all talking about how she deserved better than Walt. They just wrote her as too controlling, too strong willed, too suspicious. She had no real likable traits and by the time they realized everyone hated her it was too late.
>>221245566>SkylarWhy the projection, brownoid?
>>221246028she looks disgusting in that scene
Skyler is simply a buzzkill. She does not advance any plot, simply reacts with worry and criticism to things that are happening despite her. "I fucked Ted" is her sole contribution to actual plot. Whereas, Carm actually has some plots to herself where her character is given room to act and grow.Also, Skyler's actress is generally morose and quiet. I also disliked her in Deadwood for that reason despite there being nothing questionable about her character. Meanwhile, Edie Falco can be brash and opinionated. People naturally like characters with more "personality."
>>221251724>>221251744it's a dumb name.'skylar' could be eastern european or something. "skyler" sounds like a tyler the creator album or a 13 year old boy superhero.impressive that even her name is off-putting like that
>>221245803>Then they did shit like Skyler being a total cunt when she thinks the guy dying of cancer is such a monster for choosing to smoke pot.How dare she not want her husband who’s dying of LUNG cancer to SMOKE.
>>221251515Us home schooled chads got calming handjobs as rewards from mommy.
>>221251752It's just the cleavage, for boob lovers it buys a lot of credit. For some guys it's like a 3 point swing, a 4 can become a 7 or 8 if she has a top tier rack and knows how to show it off.
>>221251797dude she smoked around him all the time and gave him the lung cancer by kissing his mouth with her toxin-laden breath
>>221251802i dunno exposing the rack just showed how broad and mannish everything above her tits is
>>221251774You don't misspell names because you don't like the original spelling, you misspell names because you are stupid
>>221246028Edie Falco had a nice milf dumptruck in her milf housewife pants and faceporn-tier mommy wrinkles. I wouldn't mind her tucking me in at night.
>>221245502At least Skylar didn't demand that Walter get a vasectomy.
>>221245502Skyler was hated because she was an unrealistic character. Women love criminals.
>>221251797Walt is a grown man, a chemistry expert, and a cancer patient. Her interfering in his choice to smoke weed is so disrespectful to him it's crazy, it's been used medically for decades and he knows the risks better than she does. But no she can't let him have this one little source of relief in his terrible life, she has to confront a dangerous drug dealer to make absolutely sure Walt can't make his own decisions. Insufferable.
>>221251827That's only a problem if you're actually looking above her tits
>>221251831it's because i don't care enough to get it right and my mind shifts away from the dumb option naturally.sorry this makes you all emotional
>>221251891well it's a lot of real estate to avoid glancing at.she looks like she stole the body off of a chloe grace moretz meme pic
>>221246028Skylar looks like a cheap hooker compared to Carmela
>>221251902Yeah she reminds me of Kelly Madison kinda
>>221245502Skyler went along with Walt when it benefitted her, she later started to become a holier than thou cunt
>>221245502she was intentionally written as a foil to Walt (and the audience) but Vince and amc did an about face on it after S1 because the show aired during the height of a moral panic over "misogyny" so Skyler had to be implicitly good which just made audiences hate her more
Carmommy
>>221245502Being a good person doesn't make you more likable beyond a certain basic level.The most cartoonishly good person would suck to be friends with.
>>221245502Skyler knew and only turned on her husband when the heat got on.Carmela was a gem.
>>221245502Skyler was on board when it suited her and throwing Walt to the wolves when it suited her. Basically a Jew.
>>221245502All these mental gymnastics, but the truth is one.Carmela went into marriage with Tony already knowing that he was a mobster who was living a mobster life, and this is why she was so patient with Tony's gabagool antics. Their relationship was mostly transactional, but it worked to a big extent. The cracks appeared when lines were crossed.Skyler on the other hand, had married a seemingly down-to-earth chemistry teacher, not a meth baron. She obviously didnt know that hidden side of Waltuh. She just had a knee jerk reaction to Waltuh's knee jerk reaction to his terminal cancer. Even though Skyler became the bane of Waltuh's problems, I think she loved him for the most part of the show. She only stopped loving him when she realized that Waltuh was putting his big ass meth career over everything else. That's the big difference between Tony and Waltuh. Tony, even when he became a capo, was always trying to find the perfect balance between his mob life and his family life, and always respected Carmela for being his wife. Waltuh, fucked everything over because he enjoyed his Heinsenberg life a bit too much
>>221245502Never watched Sopranos, but Skyler is an insufferable bitch every single time we saw her, a controlling nagging unloving bitch who was neither a good wife nor a good mom.
>>221245502I'd rather fuck Carmella than Skylar
>>221249430I hate her Kermit the Frog voice though.
>>221251853>that pic of her in a sports braInstant boner
>>221246028Bro she looks like a tranny. She’s straight up bigger than the other dudes there
>>221246095This man is longhoused
>>221245502sweet italian mamma vs germanic child-eating ogre
>>221245502>chooses to turn a blind eye so long as the money keeps comingThat's Skyler as well but she's a hypocrite and Carmela wasn't.
skylar only had a problem with walt when she started becoming endangered by it
I'd want to eat a meal made by Carmela, I can hardly imagine the horror of Skyler's microwaved Albertson's slop.
Because Vince doesn't let his characters breath. His characters serve to the plot and never step out even for a second. They have no family, no friends, no hobbies, anything to create the illusion they're real people and not mere puppets. This creates a scenario where every character is so focused on serving the plot they become annoying. Carmella and Tony have their issues and there's a plotline where Carm gets fed up with her husband cheating on her, but did that stop her from hanging out with her friends? No, of course not, she still had her life, her own drama with AJ, etc. Later on, she even tries to get into stocks and real estate and whatnot. She always had something going on, even went on vacation to France. Skyler, on the other hand, has no life. She has no friends or family outside her sister and brother in law. That's her whole world. Her hobbies are bitching and nagging nonstop and that's all her character is and all her dialogues are geared towards the same theme of "my husband is breaking bad". So of course fans hate her, because her lives revolves around her husband being a criminal.
>>221254152BREATHEBREATHEWITH AN E. YOU ILLITERATE FUCKING MONKEY.
>>221254167Oh my God I made a typo????? NOOOOOOO I WILL GET HANGED FOR THIS, ALL I SAID IS IRRELEVANT NOW BECAUSE I FORGOT A LETTER NOOOO FUCKFUCKFUCK!!!!
>>221254248You didn't make a typo. You didn't know how to spell the word. Those are different things. I didn't read a single word past the mistake.
>>221254267K
>>221254277Don't be mad about being corrected. Learn your lesson and remember it for the future.
>>221254292I don't see you being all worked up by the Jeets calling her Skylar. Curious.
>>221245566in this guys defence, Walt jr counts as half a man
>>221254375>Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
SKYLER WAS A CUNT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER. END OF DISCUSSION
>>221254375I don't care about Skyler's name. I care about retards saying "breath" instead of "breathe". You (a monkey) are saying the wrong word because you're a monkey. Don't think you're above jeets. You're all the same shitskins to me.
>>221245502Carmela is a great mother, Skyler is a horrible one. I still don't understand how people overlook the scene in the parking lot where the whale looks at her with a disgusting face. That scene explained how retard junior got his cerebral palsy and the cunt didn't care because muh stress, I need to smoke a cig.
>>221245502because skyler was an awkward unhappy loser with an awkward unhappy loser husband and an awkward unhappy loser child. the sopranos were popular, outwardly successful and confident with highly developed social skills. you might as well ask why you found the popular kids in high school more likable than the outcasts
because being a good person is not the same as having an amusing personality or being attractive
>>221245502Because despite the backpedalling on it, dhe was set up to be "mundane bitch", the type of person you probably actually encounter and another "lol look at Walt's shitty life lmao" facetThe scene with the pillow when she knows nothing about what Walt's doing; in her mind he's a man that's just been handed a death sentence and all she wants to do is force him into some narcissistic harvesting ritual and then talk over him, instead of respecting that the man wants a little peace
>>221245502carmela is understandable and funny, she is married to an italian mafioso guy that already cheats on her with a russian prostitute, she also cares about her children and loves tony genuinely.Skylar can't even give her husband a good handjob
>>221254767But she's not a good person, she's never shown to be a good person, she's extremely self-centered and the only reason she hasn't done criminal shit at the start of the series is out of self-preservation, not morals. She then starts to cook the books for her corrupt boss and has an affair with him after manipulating him into taking her back in the company by promising him pussy. She's a slut, an unloving bitch of a wife and mother, and all of Season 1 is her literally trying to nag Walt to death. "Oh, my husband who is dying of cancer is not acting 100% as usual and answering all my commands immediately? Think about how it makes ME FEEL!!!! It's selfish!!!" Fucking bitch. Also she gave the cancer to Walt and made her son retarded with all her smoking, and still does it with her second pregnancy.
>>221245502Because The Sopranos is actually well written and Breaking Bad is capeshit tier Next question
>>221254152Good post
>>221245502Sopranos' cast mogs Breaking Bad on every account, even a fuck up like AJ was ten times better than the Walter Jr retardI pray for the day the masses realize Breaking Bad was mediocre as shit but that might never come considering people are getting more retarded
>>221255317Breaking Bad was great. Sopranos was better. And I'm someone who bounced off Breaking Bad the first two times I tried to watch it. It's such a zoomer behaviour to dismiss everything that isn't a 10/10 as "mid". Grow up.
>>221247459There are moments where Carmela rivals Meadow in being a whiny brat, despite the 25 year age gap. When Carmela constantly brings up Adriana? Holy shit. I want her whacked in those moments.>>221247319>edie falco is a tremendous actressYes. Her cute nasally voice went dark as fuck when she flipped out on Tony about the Russian. And in general, to play a middle-class-but-striving, nice-but-angry, Italian-ish housewife is a tall order. Like how do you even do that.
>>221255376Breaking Bad wasn't great, it was a show consisting of caricatures while parading as serious drama. The cast was bland and small, the scenes felt quite lifeless and the plot was outright retarded. It's funny that both the showrunners and the fans called it a spiritual successor to the Sopranos, when they have nothing in common. I saw Breaking Bad before I saw the Sopranos btw.
>>221245502Edie Falco is orders of magnitude a better actress than Anna Gunn.
>>221255426>I saw Breaking Bad before I saw the Sopranos btw.As did I. You're very overtly being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. "The cast is small" is one of the worst attempts at critique I've ever seen.
>>221255611The scope of the story dictates how many characters have to show up for it to be believable and good. Anyway it's a waste of time talking to midwits so that's the last (you) you will get.
>>221253221>The most cartoonishly good person would suck to be friends with.Jesus was the most good anyone could possibly be and he had like 12 friends and thousands of followers
>>221255688This post was a great confirmation that you're utterly clueless and just saying shit to appear contrarian. Thanks for leaving us alone though, it brightens anyone's day when you leave.
>>221255715I'm a different anon but I'm siding with the other guy and calling you a toolFor reference I'm the anon who just made the post itt about Jesus
>>221255856>I'm a different anon
>>221245688It's this.She took no responsibility for her actions.
Breaking Bad doesn't even have swearing, what a joke of a show
>>221245502I'm not sure how you sell a character as good when the first private interaction we see is an disinterested handy for the guys fucking birthday.....Happy birthday! I'm gonna lazily jack you off while I don't even make eye contact or even stop reading my magazine....oh but she's likeable!
>>221245751he actually talked a lot
>>221249430shit overhyped actressher own show is boring as hell and her IM ACTING scenes in BCS are cringe worthy
>>221255376>Breaking Bad was greatBreaking Bad was weak. It was transparent. Like lots of shows, Breaking Bad pretends to be great. It puts on *the facade* of being great. But being great requires BEING GREAT. And that's beyond difficult. Making a mediocre show is difficult. Making a great show requires an obsession and attention to detail and focus that most people can't even conceptualize. Which is why so few shows are great. Why put in the effort if a mediocre show is called great by the average person?
>>221256044Ah damn, I thought you'd left but no you're still here being retarded.
>>221255376Breaking bad is a goofy live action cartoon for adults.>two face gus>i am le one who knocks>bbbb-bonfire>machine gun in trunk killing nazis>magnets bitch>any scene with le 4d chessmaster gus>it's not le meth>the two assassin brothersAnd filled with bad acting especially by Cranston and Paul. The former was worse because every scene of his was literally the same - tilt his head sideways, open his mouth a little and squint. Anna Gunn should've won all the awards for keeping a straight face during his "I am the danger" scene
>>221256800paul was most definitely worse because all he knows how to do is start cryingand halfway through the show once he shaves his head he starts doing a tough guy anime voice actor voice while also being a fucking crybaby in EVERY scene
>>221256800saying "le" a lot just makes you look retarded
>>221253776>and always respected Carmela for being his wifeAll correct, except this. I would say Tony's whoring puts a damper on that.
>>221256833Still less retarded than a breaking soi boy
>>221245502Because Tony is a piece of shit from the start so Carmela being a cunt is somewhat justified. Meanwhile most of Skyler's antics are happening while Walt is still a good person doing it for the family.
>>221245502It's as simple as people wouldn't be watching a show that romanticizes criminality if it didn't romanticize criminality.
>>221246990iirc she was fully aware that Tony was a mob boss but they had an unspoken agreement to never get into the details
>>221258029What does that have to do with OP's post? Breaking Bad romanticized criminality more than The Sopranos anyway.
>>221245502>Why was Skyler so much more annoying than Carmela despite technically being a better personBecause she is Skyler White, Yo!
>>221245502Carmela is an entertaining character, Skyler isn't. It'st just entertainment, people do not pick their favorite characters based on their moral character.
>>221245502Skyler had that resting bitch face permanently downturned mouth that's automatically unappealing.
>>221256936I think whoring is part and parcel if you are a mobster, let alone for a mafia boss. I remember that there is a comment in the show about how everyone was making fun of Bobby for having only his wife and zero bitches. Tony obviously liked it, and being a womanizer was part of his personality, but on the other hand, if he was a man of principle and wasnt acting as an alpha male towards men and women, then he would have looked weak to his crewmates and the other families. Carmella was subconsciously fine with it, as long as Tony could distract her with kids and an easy and luxurious life.The only problem with Tony and his whoring was that he was taking it too personally, to the point it started messing with his life as a trad familia man. Carmela was willing to turn a blind eye to Tony's criminal activities and whoring, but she wouldnt take it whenever she finds out that Tony developed feelings for his fucktoys to the point they start calling at his house.Tony and Carmella's family was some kind of a fragile deal that was made out of status as the first and love and the second, it was bound to break at some point
>>221245502Because she's boring, you have an entire cast full of interesting charactera with strong personalities and then there's Skylar who's borderline a plot device, fucking Ted was the closest she came to become interesting or affecting the plot in any way
>>221258368You idiot. People like characters who romanticize criminality like Carmela and dislike characters who dislike criminality like Skyler. Retard.
>>221251853first thing i thoughtskylar was given the juniper creek treatment and male gaze shots of her were rare
>>221259802Retard people dislike Skyler because she's a fucking hypocrite, she benefitted from her husbands criminal money only wanted to bail when it started to get dangerous for her.
>>221245526>Both used the only weapon they had, their pussyTony wasn't really 'into' Carmela, if you watched the whole series you'd know. He was always looking for someone to be his replacement mom, but who also reminded him of her and his obsession love/hate with pleasing her. Breaking Bad is unironically a 'PG' compared to the psychology of HBO's flagship title.
>>221259802How does Carmela romanticize criminality? Breaking Bad in general gives a much more romantic and superhero-esque view of criminality, but your first post seems to imply that The Sopranos does it more. Sure, Skyler is a foil against that romanticising, but so is Carmela. She's shown as greedy and as a total hypocrite.In fact, it's a completely retarded post now that I read it again:>people wouldn't be watching a show that romanticizes criminality if it didn't romanticize criminality.That's just a nonsensical statement. That's like saying people don't like sports movies if they're not sports movies. What? Then it's a different kind of movie and the expectations of the audience are different.
both were cunts. carmella was a well written cunt and skyler was a mediocrely written cunt.
>>221260069>mediocrely writtenironic
>>221260069>skyler was a mediocrely written cunt.>>221260069>carmella was a well written cuntthread
>>221260016Let me explain it like you are a 5 year old:People watch movies about X and like characters in the movie who also like X. If a character did not like X, people would not like said character.It's called Confirmation Bias. Go to school or read a book one day instead of watching slop.
>>221260576That's completely reductive. People like characters like Charmaine Bucco or the Jewish therapist who btfo's Carmela. Or Melfi, although she's partly fascinated by crime.It's also not really confirmation bias lol. Only retards really have those opinions of The Sopranos, most normal people end up being disgusted by Tony and his goons. And by Carmela. It's hilarious that you think she somehow romanticizes criminality. You probably haven't seen the whole show.
>>221245502She was a cunt with resting bitch face who never respected her husband even before he became a drug lord. She had no character arc, she was the same unlikeable hag from episode 1 to episode 100. It was never about her being against his drug trade, it was about the content of her character.
>>221246095If you could stomach watching the show twice that says more about you than the show.
i fucked tony
>>221246095She is a miserable wife to Walt though and is clearly intentionally framed to be that way. She is not a bad/evil person like over half of the rest of the cast but the character just is not likeable in any way. I actually liked her less as I got older because I understood the relationship dynamics more and noticed what a terrible wife she is. Walt is an even worse husband of course but that goes without saying
>>221257702If you rewatch the early seasons knowing what Walt ends up being like later on, it's obvious that he was always a piece of fucking shit. They even state pretty clearly in the first season that Walt doesn't even need to do this shit to pay for the treatment when the gray matter guy just offers to pay it all for him and he refuses
>>221246095Unironically thisThe perspective is a lot different
>>221261160from walts point of view, eliot stole his girl and his company and made billions out of it and is now giving him a pity handout, it doesnt make him a piece of shit to refuse it (although it is prideful and dumb)
>>221261236The piece of shit part is when he decides to start cooking meth and tells himself "this is the only way I can provide for my family and pay for my treatment!" even though he didn't need to do any of it
>>221261417>cooking metha victimless crime
>>221255938he only talks when nessesary, and only as much as needed.he only starts talking a lot when he sees walt is starting to fucking up everything.
>>221254045>I'd want to eat a meal made by CarmelaFor a while. Then you'd get over it. Her frustration was parallel to Tony's in that way. She works hard for the people she loves, yet they continually let her down.
>>221251724Is this one of those Mandalorian Effect situations?
>>221260576The image posted by OP says she chooses to keep a blind eye. In addition, to her being loved by fans everywhere. Thus, fans everywhere love the fact that she keeps a blind eye whereas they would dislike her if she protested like Skyler.Idiot.
>>221261671no its just that skylar is the much more common name for a woman and no one bothered to learn how its "supposed" to be spelledyou'd have to have been watching with subtitles to find out
>>221253776>I think she loved him for the most part of the show.I'm not a washed up hag of a woman but trying to put myself into the mind of a woman that loves her husband I feel like I could at least summon up the energy to do a cowgirl or bj for his 50th birthday. But maybe I'm expecting too much from this "love" thing. As a foreveralone incel I probably just don't understand how things work in the real world.
>>221258230Yeah there was a line how, in high school, Tony brought Carm and her mother a bouquet of roses and Carm's father a $200 drill, and she knew he was into some things.
>>221245502People didn't like Carmela during the divorce arc and only warmed when she went back to Tony In general if you initiate a divorce for the on screen nuclear family everyone is gonna fucking hate you. For obvious reasons.
>>221261781what a fucking prime MILF
>>221261810>People didn't like Carmela during the divorce arcYeah I hated her for that. Tony letting her go forward with the spec house was the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Like you need $600,000 to feel superior to Rosalie Aprile and Meadow.
>>221256936You don't understand how humans have functioned for most of time. It was normal for men to visit prostitutes or have side pieces. You can have a wife who you always come back to but humans are just not meant to live as a single pair bond for life. It drives them insane and is the cause of many of our modern day ills. We evolved from small tribal groups where the women were shared and the raising of the children was tribal as well. The atomization of the family where each generation splits off and spreads across the country or globe is a jewish trick. Tony absolutely loved and respected Carmela but a person in his position especially women are just going to be throwing themselves at him constantly and it's unreasonable to expect him to stay pure. His only mistake was catching feeling for the whores. But that doesn't mean he can't still love his wife as well.
>>221261975Some of the most disgusting crypto kike slop I've ever read. Kill yourself you retarded cuck. Sharing women was normal? If you wanted to get your head caved in maybe. Dumb cunt
>>221262062I'm sorry if history offends you. It's a shame you don't even know your own history though, let me guess you were homeschooled.
>>221261975>The atomization of the family where each generation splits off and spreads across the country or globe is a jewish trick.I thought the disruption of the nuclear family was supposed to be a Jewish trick, but you're saying they're actually advocating for nuclear families. I can't keep up with the theories. They're behind everything!
>>221245502Carmela didn't have an affair.
>>221262195Brainwashing is most effective when it is multi layered. They get you by making you think you are smart for noticing the first layer of deception and you stop there instead of noticing you barely scratched the surface. As much as it makes me gag to admit Hillary Clinton was right about anything she really was right when she said it takes a village to raise a child. Of course the way she meant it was wrong, she was just talking about giving more money to the government for programs. But kids were naturally raised by a collection of close knit families all living close together. SIDS and post partum are all a symptom of women trying to raise kids on their own which drives them insane. In the past the duties were shared between sisters and grandmothers and cousins and aunts and the whole extended family and friends. It's a neat conundrum, modern society has given more individual men the chance to procreate but it's made more people in general miserable. If we go back we lose the comforts of society but if we go forward we face extinction innovating ourselves into oblivion and being mostly miserable along the way. There are no easy answers, I don't claim to have them just that I have seen a few more layers of the onion and it's all rotten.
>>221245688Correct.
>>221245502While I do believe skyler deserves sympathy and is more than justified in her dismay of Walts decision to jeopardize the family, I think for the emotionally retarded, they dont understand why she wasn't more sympathetic to Walter's decision done of desperation for his family, since he was going to eventually die. Its unfair to compare her to Carmela, since Carmela is basically an accomplice in everything tony does, she's just as much a criminal, there is no intense shift in lifestyle or revelation of danger. Most people on the internet are psychologically stunted and can't really into empathy for a middle class white woman, especially in the modern context (dying nuclear family, abysmal economic market, dead universal values). Her character essentially serves as hesenbergs biggest foil, she represents a threat to the thrill, the drama that now swallowed walts life, as initially well intentioned as it was. I dont think what she went through was fair, but I think she should could have understood walts desperation and quietly left him, instead of all the hassle, since he did it out of extradonary love, not some kind nefarious ambition. Anyway, sad story.
>>221251400It's one of the most sexless and unhappy handjobs I've ever seen
>>221262195it was a stepping stoolGenerational families>nuclear families>Lone individualThe more the family as a whole weakens the more the elite, jews, lizard people, whoever the fuck can gain control and isolate you from support and the community.
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>>221262457What about white men who are divorce attorneys. And white men who are judges in divorce court. Are they Jewish? My brain hurts. Explain it to me slowly.
>>221262684Jewishness is a state of mind.
>>221262684They are tools, nothing more nothing less.
>>221245502the show never tried to make you think that carmella was a good person
>>221262704>>221262712But wait. There are white guys make "mainstream media." Like the NFL. And in colleges? The football coach is sometimes the highest paid employee of the school. And they usually promote stuff like gambling, hiding illegal payments to players, and strip clubs/whores for young men. But I've never seen anybody on the sidelines wearing a yarmulke. What does it mean.
>>221245502Carmella is an interesting character because she's flawed and the show never tries to browbeat you and make you feel artificial sympathy for her. Skyler is just a cunt and the show never once acknowledges it which just makes you hate her even more.
>>221262898They don't get in trouble 'cuz they kick up.I mean we all "kick up" all our money, all of everyones money, goes to the same half dozen jews in the endyou can't vote with your wallet
>>221251724>>221262835>>221262949>ctrl+f "Carmella">16 resultsYou guys don't even know the name of the character. It's Carmela.
>>221262991Don't care annon
carm was hot in like trashy milf wayskyler had a permanent scowl on her face and is just weird lookingsimple as
Anna Gunn is also just a much worse actress than Edie Falco, who is goated. I was rewatching some scene and Anna Gunn was sperging out in the background waiting for her line. She was terrible in "Sully" too, but that's partially on Clint Eastwood.I guess she was ok in Deadwood, nothing special and she only had to act opposite Tim Olyphant.
>>221246028she lost to her own sister
>>221263242this but cobra kai mom - me to ai
Cause a wife is supposed to stand by her husband. It's one thing to have an affair, since a husband can always have his own affair to "even the scales" in that regard, but leaving him is a complete betrayal. It shows that the marriage was merely a convenience for Skylar, her investment in it wasn't total, she was willing to pull out of it once she no longer liked what it had to offer her.Faithless cunt.
>>221263265i've been listening to Faithless - Insomnia a lot latelyyou should try it out, apparently it was really popular
>>221262983>the same half dozen jewsSo all of the white presidents. All of the white congressmen. All of the white Supreme Court justices. They were secretly Jewish? And plotting to destroy America?
>>221263346They "had" to, can you not start from the top and work down? Some call them logic puzzles
>>221245502because carmelas was better written
>>221263346Tools
>>221263378Isn't the simpler answer that people are simply self-interested. Nobody is pozzed or woke or Trumptard or MIGA. People just act to save their own skin, or their own feelings of superiority.
Skylar is a good litmus test for the intelligence/perception of a person. If they're a total gynocentric drone they will defend Skylar as holding a woman responsible for bad behavior is blasphemy to their religion. The only correct take is both walt and skylar were bad people in a dysfunctional relationship much like the johnny depp/amber heard. If you aren't a brainlet you can understand that both people suck and you don't have to reduce every single human interaction into 100% victim and 100% aggressor.
