Why did the new Simpsons Disney+ special have a cuckolding subplot in it?
>>221246814I asked them to.
>>221246814Ignore everything else, the visual and art style of the series is utterly unrecognizeable to me. It doesn't even look like the simpsons, especially the backgrounds, other than some recognizeable character designs.So it looks like the new seasons are just churned through the same digital art process every other show is done in, even though this wildly clashes with the established designs of the show. We bitched and moaned about the 4:3 era past the golden age, where the show was clearly shit but at least it recognizeably looked like the show.Watching some backstory videos, the show was originally made by Clasby Cuspo, a very uneven animation studio. They came up with all the designs for most of the cast based on Matt Groening's initial sketches. There was no comic or anything to adapt, so everything was new. The studio created garish cartoonish backgrounds, and very weird looking character designs that are veyr cartoonish that are kept to this day. But as the show evolved to a more modern process, they keep these like 40 year old designs, but then slap them into some highly detailed backgrounds and it's just off putting. The original cast all look like Simpsons, but all new characters have designs that are more proportional and realistic, more akin to Futurama designs.
Pretty fucked up that notorious anti-communist Walt Disney's name is now synonymous with leftist propaganda.
>>221246879Here's what I mean. "Kill the Allegator and Run" is mostly considered a totally trash episode. But put the damn thing on mute since the problems are mostly the story and dialogue and just look at it.It looks recognizeable as the simpsons, and notice how the backgrounds have a similar amount of stylization and detail as the characters? They all look like they belong. Nu-Nu-Nu-Simpsons (I feel we're probably on the 5th incarnation of the series) uses hyper detailed backgrounds because that's just what you do now. the new episodes look like you plopped these cartoon characters into realistic backgrounds and it doesn't mesh it clashes. We're probably LONG past the point of anyone even giving a shit though, and it probably doesn't matter.
>>221246922It's wild how back then we thought this, principal and the pauper and some other 6/10 episodes were as bad as Simpsons could get.
>>221246814They already did it with sideshow mel and it's hilarious
>>221246953Right? The shit era had some real stinkers and it was clear they were running out of steam but it was still recoggnizeable. The last about 10 years of seasons looks surreal and unreal. Somewhat uncanny. The visuals just clash and seemingly no one on staff cared.There's also a trend that seemingly no one comments on anymore, is that a lot of media made by corporations really feels like it was made in a soulless assembly line. Like everyone did their role, probably as best as they could, but there's no singular vision, and everyone treated it like a paycheck and went home. Like, no one cares about it. No one really gives a shit about making a McDonald's burger. The workers get paid, and peope get a quick meal and everyone moves on. That's what a lot of modern corporate media feels like. Just everyone going through the motions, but there's no one inside anymore. It's just robots going through the motion. I'm also reading nerds talking about aspect ratios, and I am starting to think they were right about 4:3 being superior for story telling and visuals for the most part. I'm not crazy, the latest seasons especially look really uncanny and put my hairs on edge. I kind of know what people mean when they say that media is giving them "satanic" vibes. I think they're a bit paranoid schizos, but they're articulating the uncanny vibe a lot of modern media has.
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>>221246922I was going to say the new episodes look like some Simpsons Cartoon Studio or Virtual Springfield shit but even those looked less out of place, and they're literally just superimposing characters over backgrounds.
>>221246905What Disney hated the most were the unions. In an alternative timeline where the soviets won the cold war, most probably uncle Walt would adapt quickly considering soviets didn't allow unions on their own soil and Disney would have all the resources and creative freedom he wanted for his reputation around the world
>LE HECKING LEE CARVELLO'S PUTTING CHALLENGE!!!!
>>221247020>there's no singular visionit's the exact opposite which is the problem at its best, a comedy series needs multiple writers competing with each other for the best joke not collaborating with each other on a pre decided story
>>221247107All those jokes are so banal and uncreative that they could just be made by AI. I mean "Foodfellas"? >>221247119>and they're literally just superimposing characters over backgrounds. Literally what happens. They create everything in batches with the characters and backgrounds completely disconnected from each other. So all the backgrounds for the season of the house get made in one bunch. Then most of the characters movements are made. You just plop these together and it's very streamlined and "cost efficient" (I guarantee you these new episodes cost 20x more than classic era eps since everyone is paid so highly), but utterly soulless. And because it's a high budget prestige show they have a high budget, and you have to justify that budget so they make the backgrounds very highly detailed which just makes shit uncanny looking. Also, have anyone seen the latest Futurama seasons? Because strangely the show does NOT have this problem. It mostly looks like it always did.
>>221247253I stopped watching Futurama after the second or third movie, I can't remember which. Just didn't grab me anymore, but the original 4 5? seasons were good.
>>221246922Like most television now it primarily exists as background noise for boomers and browns
>>221246879Are all the new episodes this detailed with the backgrounds, or is it because this is a special so they wanted it to stand out?
>>221247253>So all the backgrounds for the season of the house get made in one bunch. Then most of the characters movements are madeOld cel animation typically involved drawing the characters and the moving props on cels, then overlaying the animation on static background paintings
>>221247429I know it's a meme, but you can really see the soul in a painted backdrops or cel animated characters that you just can't get with digital.
>>221246922Yeah that's a good point and probably one of the reasons nu simpsons just 'feels' so shitty. Even when they have something that should be good, instead it's shit. Because too much of the foundational stuff is bad.
>>221247188Nu-Neo Sneedsons is all about "MEMBER WHEN THE SHOW WAS GOOD?" Family Guy-tier cutaway gags and cameos.
white nerds as the bull is based tho
>>221247253Where are their shadows?
>>221247429In the old days they would actually animate an actual episode starting from the the script they make storyboards, then backgrounds and characters. Episodes would be animated in chunks based on their contract. A company might get a contract to do episodes 1-6, while another studio does 7-12, etc. This isn't what's happening. They are animating everything in one go rather than animating individual episodes. They do all the "lisa sits on her bed" scenes in one go, then "Simpsons family stands around" scenes in another. There's no storyboards, not in the traditional sense. It's very streamlined and very economical, but it means no two episodes can look different. It leads to things looking sterile.Contrast that even with your example from Scooby Doo, a show that was not known for high end art or animation. The characters stand at an angle and placed to give an illusion of depth. Not exactly overly complex, but they try to avoid that as much as possible in nu-animation and have characters stand in a flat line as much as possible to simplify things.A lot of modern shows is just characters walking back and forth on a flat plane and once you notice it, you'll see it everywhere.
>>221246814what's happening here? Helen Lovejoy married Milhouse?
>>221247827We have South Park and Family Guy to thank for this btw. They proved that visuals do not matter and audiences do not care, and they care only for dialogue driven humor rather than visual gags or S1 of Family Guy had an experienced director who was shocked that Seth wanted the show to be almost completely flat and just two slack jawed characters blabbing at each other, so he added periodic use of dynamic angles, which if you re-watch are quite shocking since you always expect Family Guy to be a completely flat show. They made sure to fix that. After that it became the industry standard, and power shifted away from story board artists and animators, to producers and executives. Before a storyboard artist could be a nuisance and say "we need the show to have dynamic angles and animation for ratings", but then Family Guy proved them wrong.
>>221247827This is also why everything is so god damn "on model", since they don't do individual episodes anymore and everything needs to be able to be interchangeable. This means that they keep angles at a minimum, and characters do not do any unique expressions. Lisa always looks like Lisa, and never does anything unique. It's like most of the cast have gotten botox injections.
More interesting angles mostly show up when they're doing a movie parody, showing they CAN do it, they just chose not to. Direct tv-film parodies are pretty much the only time Family Guy does it too.
>>221247945The classic comparison of old opening Marge where she goes through two or three different expressions compared to new opening Marge where she's staring dead ahead and just turns her head like she's a Terminator.I've seen a few clips of modern Simpsons where they have the characters deliberately moving in exaggerated manners with a lot of hand gestures as well, as if they heard all the complaints of how sterile it looks and went>fuck you audience, here's some animations for youand now it looks even more unnatural.
>>221247879Milhouse fucked off from the show
>>221246814Why is Helen Lovejoy married to Uncle Herb and they have three Milhouses for sons and Helen Lovejoy seems to want to fuck one of them?
>>221247188Why are Super Nintendo Chalmers, the lunch lady, and Willy doing in an arcade anyway?
>>221248053>The classic comparison of old opening Marge where she goes through two or three different expressions compared to new opening Marge where she's staring dead ahead and just turns her head like she's a Terminator.Here you go.>They'll never stop The Simpsons>Have no fears, we've got stories for years>like... Marge becomes a robot!
>>221248390Even the little things like how Maggie's hair spikes move to give the impression they're actually hair have detail.Contrast that with the monobrow baby looking like a static jpg they just moved back and forth because that's what it fucking is
>>221248218They're just throwing darts at a wall with character names and plot ideas.>Chief Wiggum>moves to... Argentina>marries... Lurleen Lumpkin>and they... open a bar? fuck it why not>b-plot is, I don't know, Lisa is upset about Comic Book Guy littering his burrito wrapper or some shit
>>221248275>Why are Super Nintendo Chalmers, the lunch lady, and Willy doing in an arcade anyway?This is actually a critique that starts in the classic era, but at some point they seem to have agreed that Springfield is a village of about 250 people max, so thus every crowd shot should be filled with established characters. It also does get worse the longer the show gets, because they can have them just go to a new location and each established character do their predictable joke.I really hate it. During the early years they would have random ass guys all the time, or single episode characters. That made Springfield feel more like a real place, rather than a tiny village where everyone orbits and hangs around in proxity to the Simpsons at all times.During the peak seasons completely random people would show up as customers, or employees, or someone else the Simpsons interacted with, would have a fewlines, then leave. Now if they do these same scenes, they'd go to Jasper or Abe if it's an old guy, or Lovejoy if it's a woman, etc.
>>221248685This can probably be quantified. I am pretty damn sure the majority of these are from seasons 1-6. https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Unnamed_charactershttps://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Category:One-time_characters
>>221248053Correct, there's been so many itinerations, we need to narrow down what we mean by "modern simpsons", since it's been over 16 years since the 2010 season! I do think that "HD era with robot movement" should be its own era.But the more recent era is them over-reacting to internet complaints about the robot people, and it still looks bad for different reasons.Also hwen you go through the wiki you learn yukie shit like Homer now has a half-sister?https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Category:One-time_characters
Cuck and Suck
One of the first really weird awful episodes and seems to ruin what Springfield was going for. In my imagination, Springfield was a town of 150,000 people. Small-ish but not tiny. Enough to be a university town and to have a lot of amenities.Then it became a hang-out for the ultra rich? That's not something you change half-way through. Celebs in Springfield formerly needed some genuine excuses to plausibly make them fit into the show.
>>221248795Tv hates this episode but it's still hilarious
>>221247945>>221248053>>221248390
>>221246922>Nu-Nu-Nu-Simpsons (I feel we're probably on the 5th incarnation of the series)I think you can break it down to Seasons 1-9, Season 10-19, Season 20-25 then season 26 to present. Basically season 1-9 are the golden era. Season 10-19 are the noticeable decline. Season 20 is when they swapped to HD and the celebrity focus episodes like Lisa goes gaga were in full swing. From season 25 onwards is where i think they start to do a lot of nostalgia bait episodes, references to old jokes/characters people liked or the fake wholesome episodes they do.
>>221247020>There's also a trend that seemingly no one comments on anymore, is that a lot of media made by corporations really feels like it was made in a soulless assembly line.Everything is owned by Blackrock. Doesn't matter who's watching, (((they))) still get paid.
>>221249480How long until Matt and Trey say that the changes to Starks Pond are due to global warming and its them making a statement.
>>221249786Season 8 is the golden era cutoff, Season 9 has way too many retarded nonsense episodes and when Yellow Peter Griffin becomes the norm.
Who watches this?
>>221249480Wasnt the pond destroyed when they built a Kmart?
>>221249786>I think you can break it down to Seasons 1-9,Tracy Ulman and S1 is reaaaaaaaally weird both tonally and in terms of content. There's a lot of S1 era Simpson merch and extended universe shit that is so weird.Bart Simpson as originally envisioned really was dennis the Menace, carrying around a slingshot, skateboarding, saying "Don't have a cow man", and "eat my shorts", and spray painting. Most of this shit almost immediately vanishes after S2, unless called back in an ironic manner (like Lisa's new friends mocking Bart for having a sling shot and a skateboard and specifically asking if he's Dennis the Menace). Go back to the initial explosion in Simpsons popularity, and it really feels like this other universe. Everyone "knows" that Bart has a skateboard since you see him do it in the intro but sit back and ask: how many times did he actually skate around between s2-9? It's mostly a S1 hold over. Tracy Ulman and S1 shoudl be their own eras.
>>2212500031. Old people who leave the tv on.2. Third worldersSo not many Americans at this point. The latest ratings put it at about 10% of the show's initial popularity.
>>221247020>The last about 10 years of seasons looks surreal and unreal.It's not the past 10 years, it's the past 25 years.
>>221250152>Third worldersIt's insane how true this is. Latin America fucking loves Simpsons and I mean all Simpsons.
>>221250174Nah, as I said the post 2000 4:3 seasons look fine visually, in fact they're some of the best the series has ever looked. Lisa the Drama Queen in 2008 was the last 4:3 episode, and visually it's okay looking. It doesn't have that completely sterile look that gives me the heebie jeebies.
>>221250209And the very next episode in 2009, in widescreen. It ooks okay, even a little bland. So it's somewhere in th elast 15 years. There's seasons of the show that are a complete mystery even to people who hate the show. If someone bitches about "modern simpsons" they are often talking about episodes from 2010 to 2015 and that's like a decade ago. I feel like no one is even remotely aware of the post 2020 seasons.
>>221250209No, it looks like shit, and it's actually astonishing that you can't tell the difference in style and animation. The expressions in particular really changed, along with the voice acting, with Homer being the most obvious victim.Yeah, it got even worse later, but it was still utterly fucking soulless post-2000.
that one episode 25 years ago where they go to China and Homer gets his heart torn out by a Shaolin monk is what made me realize "this ain't my Simpsons anymore"unbelievable it's still going
>>221247020NOT LENNY!
>>221250255I pretty much had my jaw on the floor watching the Mel Gibson episode because of how astonishly bad it was.
>>221250228>If someone bitches about "modern simpsons" they are often talking about episodes from 2010 to 2015 and that's like a decade agoHow young are you? People have been complaining about this shit for over 20 years, and the argument mostly revolves around if s9 or s10 was the last good season. You seem to have the exact same kind of blindness that you're accusing current fans of The Simpsons of having.
>>221250054WALMART
>Still watching The Simpsteins in 2026Ewww bro. Come to Jesus and lift weights. Your new life is waiting for you.
>>221250299No, I'm with you and was there. But I'm saying tat people don't watch modern modern modern modern simpsons and most of the critiques are focused on when they typically stopped wtaching, which might be 25, 20, 15, or 10, years ago.For instance, saying the characters move like robots is something they addressed for years now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmuGQXwAjFwSo I think I want to call the current era the "autopilot" era since it just seems to be a machine running on auto pilot.
>>221246814does simpsons actually look like this now?it was just a one off right?>>221247827like this doesn't look great but it still looks sorta like the simpsons albeit more modern and flat
>>221249480bottom is less time consuming to create, thats only why. same wih the simpsons too
>>221247298It died right after the devils hands bit.
>>221250255>>221250285Man i noticed a difference but it was that fucking episode where Homer starts walking and that's just the plot of the episode. I hated that episode so much
>>221250255They went twice?
>>221247827>A lot of modern shows is just characters walking back and forth on a flat plane and once you notice it, you'll see it everywhere."The Stage"
computer, synthesize me several images of helen Lovejoy nude, art styles of legoman, ndc, and shadyfox
>>221249480I like how the top is not just funny, but also portrays what South Park was: some shitty little nowhere town with nothing of note in it whose residents had delusions of grandeur and class while being totally ignorant of what a bunch of loser hicks they were to be living in some 1000 population dead end. Now there's no aesthetic to it, the show may as well just be in Denver.
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