Why did it Fucking fail? People never even gave it a chance! It was even starting to get good!
>>221260431Mostly because of those four supporting characters towards the bottom of the poster.
I wonder why
Did Roseland pike show any yummy tatas? I have had so many youtubers recommend the magic system as the best in a fantasy series.
>>221260431it didnt follow the plot of the booksinvented a wife for perrin just to kill off at the start of ep1gave plot points to worst girl egwene away from other charactershad speeches form deep in the series throw into season 1 in places where they made no senseturned it into a vehicle for moiraine not the young characters "anyone of them could be the dragon, even the girls"removed the gendered aspect of the magic systemtried so hard to be GoT if the symbolism but it just didnt workall the gay wardern shit like Lan twisting his nipples as the 'designated griever'AND thats not even needing to mention race bullshit
>>221260550>the magic system as the best in a fantasy series.its one of the best, it has rules but without the gamification retardedness of sanderson's 'hard fantasy' bullshit
>>221260431race bullshit
>>221260431So Moiraine is the main character, kind of like Gandalf and she is fighting the big bad, the dark one. So she needs to find the Dragon, who might be a boy or girl, but she has it narrowed down to like the 5 young adults from a rural village. And guys aren't allowed to use magic because they fucked up the world previously and destroyed it, so if the Dragon is a guy then it might mess up her plans? And then I guess there is the Forsaken which they are kind of like the 13 ghosts of Scooby Doo, they escaped from their sealed prison and the good guys have to hunt them all and capture and put them back into the magical prison. And in the meantime the Aes Sedai is out there trying to fix the world but they have a lot of corruption and they are losing because the Dark One is growing stronger.
>>221260550You know what GRRM said about hard magic systems though, right?
You MotherFuckers! This is what you cost us!
>>221260778I don't think I've heard his take on that. I can probably guess though
>>221260778>'Magic should always be dangerous and unknowable, not a pseudo-science'
>>221260610>removed the gendered aspect of the magic systemNot just the magic, the setting itself. Remember, when the Dark One wants to punish the Forsaken who died to Rand or others, he reincarnates them as the opposite gender.
>>221260862only one, Graendal he makes old and ugly
>>221260610I've never read these books, but the only thing I even knew about wheel of time was the gendered magic shit. What's even unique about it aside from that?
>>221260798>>221260832>On the 2025 panel at Worldcon, Brandon got asked a question about hard magic systems and how he creates them. George jumped in and went on a ten minute rant about how hard magic systems are dumb, he hates them, no one wants to read them, and you're a questionable author if you write them.
>>221260897>What's even unique about itdoes everything have to be unique to be good? the first book is a literal rip off of lotr's shire because thats all the publisher wanted to publish for fantasy, but it grows into its own and is a very comfy setting with great characters and moments.basically long time ago a great wizard The Dragon fought against the great evil and sealed it away but it tainted the male half of magic causing male wizards to destroy the world, two thousands years later the seal is weakening and The Dragon is reborn because souls are reincarnated in a great cycle and the fabric of the universe is also sentient and nudges things in its favour(this is called being Ta'veren). because male wizards are tainted and slowly driven insane, women have taken over and basically formed the medieval catholic church, one of which is searching for The Dragon Reborn to control him and save the world
>>221260897As a book series it probably created 90% of the modern tropes and styles of modern fantasy.
>>221260965based, they are dumb. give magic structure sure but Sanderson turns it autistic and reddit cringe. WoT is a good example of it done right and its basically soft, powder mage is another(people can control gunpowder in different ways such as bending bullets or setting it off at a distance)
>>221260897lots of smut if you read between the lines
>>221260778>You know what GRRM said about hard magic systems though, right?Fat retard who can't even finish his book series says what?Why would anyone listen to a man who has no feats?
>>221261087Yeah, it leads too easily into "hurr magic and science are le same" redditslop
>>221260965GRRM always seems really salty on panels. I don't know if he was like this years ago, but all the recent ones he has been on going back the last few years, he's kind of been a dick. He takes chippy little potshots indirectly at his fellow writers.
I enjoyed it quite a bit. nice production designstill, was never going to justify it's inflated budget, same with ROP - am mad those basically ruined ambitious fantasy series adaptations
>>221260758LOL! Holy shit did they fuck this up for TV!
>>221260758Moiraine is not the main character
>>221260431Go woke go broke
>>221260758>So Moiraine is the main character, kind of like Gandalf and she is fighting the big bad, the dark one. So she needs to find the Dragon, who might be a boy or girl, but she has it narrowed down to like the 5 young adults from a rural village. And guys aren't allowed to use magic because they fucked up the world previously and destroyed it, so if the Dragon is a guy then it might mess up her plans? And then I guess there is the Forsaken which they are kind of like the 13 ghosts of Scooby Doo, they escaped from their sealed prison and the good guys have to hunt them all and capture and put them back into the magical prison. And in the meantime the Aes Sedai is out there trying to fix the world but they have a lot of corruption and they are losing because the Dark One is growing stronger.There is a protagonist in Rand but main character kind of misses the point of having Ta'veren be a thing at all. The wheel weaves around our protagonists pulling people including them into situations they would otherwise not ever fall into themselves while still giving them the choice of how to act. That little nuance is why despite not being Ta'veren the girls in the story still end up moving the world with them towards what is needed by the end. Moiraine is the main inciting incident but trying to force her into being the main viewpoint undermines a lot of the overall choices that everyone else makes to deal with their situations in the long term. Also really undermines the reason rand doesn't destroy the dark one at the end or his revelation on the mountain.Knew it was going to be shit when they didn't do the opening scene between Lews Therin and Ishamael.
i read up to shadow rising as a kid and then in college saw someone reading the first sanderson book. i asked what he thought and if he would recommend finishing and he said honestly no, it really doesn't get any better and mainly feels like a waste of time. i followed this advice and have no regrets.
>>221261148Anyone who would answer a question asked of someone else is definitely huffing their own farts.
>>221261318he does a good job finishing the story but its clearly a lot of sanderson in those books. imo if you like the series its worth it but if you're burnt out id understand not wanting to
>>221260431It not being canceled after one season is proof there is no God. It being canceled is proof God is merciful. May everyone involved in this shit never be free from the curse of Shai'tan.
>>221261359They had to make 3 seasons because they paid so much for the rights.
>>221260610>turned it into a vehicle for moiraine not the young charactersMoiraine was supposed to be a young character. She was famous for her youthful appearance and short stature. So of course pedowood had to turn her into a man faced giant.
>>221261148What was Ned Stark's tax policy? Why did they love him up north?
>>221261390>She was famous for her youthful appearance and short stature.Moiraine Damodred — b. 956 (42). she's an aes sedai they age slow
>>221261050>The Dragon fought against the great evil and sealed it away but it tainted the male half of magic causing male wizards to destroy the worldFriendly reminder that only happened because women refused to do their part and help with the sealing so men took the whole brunt of the backlash.
>>221260787>niggers>shitskins>chinkoids>"whites">elderly "whites">bogged "whites">bpd phenotype "whites"grim
>>221261431>youthful appearance
>>221261457My mom is making me watch The Chosen with her. It's supposed to be a "serious" telling of the story of Jesus. Half the cast are indians, big chunk of lunchtime rowdies. In ancient Isreal, I'm sure that's biblically accurate.
I never read the books, I did watch the series and kind of enjoyed it. A friend of mine said they really butchered Lan. That he is supposed to be this greatest of his generation legendary fighter. I didn't really get that from the show, he seemed to get beat up a lot. Like season 2 in the first episode he gets fucked up badly by a couple of the faceless dudes.My friend told me in the first book he killed 2 of them simultaneously without any difficulty, at night while they were fleeing to that cursed place.
>>221261497>Moiraine was supposed to be a young characterall aes sedai have an agelessness to them until you look real close, her birth year is official, she was 42 in the eye of the world
>>221261433Why were men so arrogant and trying to seal the Dark One when they were living in a virtual Utopia with flying cars and shit?
>>221261561Utopias are fake and gay, humans are only content when they are miserable. We always have to make up new problems for ourselves.
>>221261561women dug into his prison and unleashed it, the Utopia was the bit before that
>>221261537Ok
Among other reasons.
>>221261148His book series will never finish, and the TV show showed the ending, which everybody hated. He's just a bitter old man at people who liked his books abandoning him, because he won't admit his own failures.
>>221261561Men were not arrogant you asshole. The Dark One was advancing everywhere and Lews Therrin and the rest of the Aes Sedai were on the verge of defeat. This was the hail mary plan to save the world.
>>221260778>the more she drank the more she shat but the more she shat the thirstier she grew
>>221260431>Why did it Fucking fail?too many niggers and shitskins
>>221261561Mierin (female Aes Sedai at the time, better known in the books as Lanfear) was a researcher drilling holes in reality looking for a superior magic to the One Power. Together with a man (Beidomon, who was smart enough to commit suicide when he realised what he had done, meanwhile Mierin switched sides) she drilled a hole right into reality, out of reality, and into the prison of the Dark One, Shai'tan, the Father of Lies.So, men sealing the Dark One is really just fixing a fuckup caused by Mierin. Who, despite being acclaimed as the most beautiful woman in the world, and the strongest female channeler ever, was an absolutely toxic bitch forever seething that she didn't get enough (in her opinion) recognition, and seethed even harder at how Lews Therin, the greatest Gigachad of all history, dumped her bitch ass to marry and have half a dozen children with a hot blonde tittymonster.
>>221261433The women did have their own plan, which was to use the Choedan Kal sa'angreal to create a giant Wall of the One Power around the hole drilled into the prison, and keeping the Dark One from advancing further until they had a new plan.That said, it was rife with potential problems:>access keys for the giga-sa'angreal were lost and couldn't make new ones>Choedan Kal had never been used, literally completely untested and could nuke all reality (and as we see in the books, someone misusing them or losing control for an instant could indeed melt the entire Pattern)>they require immensely powerful channelers just to handle the strain of using them... and for any length of time using them there is a serious risk that physical exhaustion alone will kill you in less than 24 hours, and physical exhaustion plus needing to control and wrestle saidin (the male half) at the same time is an incredibly stupid idea>concurrent to the above, you couldn't just tie off a Wall weave, since knotted weaves can be burst it would have to be maintained perpetually>behind the Wall the Dark One could keep expanding his influence, and then reach out and touch the world, and the Wall, which would be made with both halves of the Power and thus let him fuck up both>it was agreed even by the women that no plan would work unless they could access the original hole where the prison was drilled anyway... which would be behind the wallThe wall plan was a fucking dumpster fire,, and it's utterly bizarre that anybody thought it would work. None of the men did (and you'd need a 2-person link for the Choedan Kal with a man leading anyway), which is why they advanced their Hail Mary of "we slap a patch on the Bore with seals made of indestructible metal that a black hole wouldn't break" where the ONLY problem was that the Dark One might be able to counterattack if they weren't fast enough.The male plan was a shit sandwich. But the female plan was completely fucking retarded.
>>221260431I put it on, literally in the first 5 minutes its>girl power>negro man with a white girlyeah no
That's people for you. They don't go for something unless it's pre-established IP. This is why there is a million capeshits now, and that's it.
>>221260431I gave it so many chances. I even watched two more episodes after the absolute rape that was the first one.May everyone involved in that production die in a fire.
>>221261152Kill yourself
>>221261359May the very memory of this show be forever burned out of the pattern with balefire
>>221262630>I win again, Lews Therin
the whitecloaks were right. but they shut us down... :(
>>221260431They actually put the main character behind the nigger who is himself behind the female. It's like they were trying to tell us something.
>>221260787This looks like a pandemic marvel movie haha
>>221260787not a single one of them exceot maybe liandrin would be recognizable from this. god what a disaster this shit was
>>221260431It already diverged from the books in the first five minutes and not in a good way.
>>221260787Quit fucking making it seem like these are main characters. You took a bunch of fucking random characters and are making it seem like this is how they fucking look like!
>>221260431>Start new season>Kill everyone in the first episode>Characters act like that didn't just happenIt really want that bad.
>>221260758Said isolated rural village is also as diverse as downtown London
>>221260787>Entire show about sexy milfs and gilfs who have young men as bodyguards>Pedophiles on 4chan refuse to watch itHate this shit. You just KNOW many of them had hairy pussies on set.
>>221262884Yeah because asian male - black female is secretly everyone's fetish. It takes effort to be that retarded.
>>221262743He's the furthest back from anyone in the picture. It's insane but they wanted to pull a MUHFUGGINTWIEEEST and make you think that he was just a side character not the dragon.
>>221262964the twist shit was so fucking retarded.
>Question: The show is really born out of your passion for the books, but clearly you guys weren't afraid to change details or shift characterizations. I wanted to ask you about some of those changes specifically, starting with something I was just talking about with Josha. When reading the first book, you basically always know that Rand is the Dragon Reborn, because it's almost all told from his first perspective. But the show made the Dragon's identity more of a mystery and even suggested it could be Egwene (Madeleine Madden) or Nynaeve (Zoë Robins). What did you like about doing that? Will the show continue with the ensemble feeling even now that Rand is revealed as the promised hero?>Rafe: Yeah, that was the whole idea. A lot of the changes we're making in our adaptation are to serve the series as a whole more than just the first book. The Wheel of Time is interesting because it's like the opposite of Game of Thrones. With Game of Thrones, the first book is a perfect television season, and then it becomes much more disparate the deeper you go into the books. Whereas Wheel of Time starts out in a way that's hard to make a clean adaptation for TV, but then as you get into the later books, it really is built along a clear, clean TV structure of an ensemble story. I don't even think Rand has the most POV chapters in the books overall. It's very much an ensemble, even though the first book is not. So we really tried to make the season have that feeling from the whole book series of being a real ensemble piece. We made a lot of changes in the first season to make sure that you could see all the stories of the five main leads.>I don't even think Rand has the most POV chapters in the books overall.
>>221260431the books themselves were never popular outside of fantasy litfag circles, so there was little to no brand recognition. And when you entirely butcher the story lore and characters to force even more woke libtard bullshit into it, that small number of people who ARE familiar aren't going to go running to their friends and shilling it to them. It's a case of complete and abject mismanagment
>>221263219>I don't even think Rand has the most POV chapters in the books overallHe didn't read the books.
>>221263219And Rafe is supposed to be a superfan of the book series?
>>221263219>>221263246Rand has the most at 17%
>>221260431>It was even starting to get good!was it really tho
>>221263226You're delusional nigga. In the 90s and early 2000s WoT was in the top 3 fantasy series that people were aware of. You can't go by 2020s logic when even at the height of the show's "popularity" WoT wasn't even in top 20 probably, anymore.
Fuck you for reminding me this shit exists. I had just started to enjoy life again. Fuck Amazon and Rafe Judkins forever for this abomination. One chance EVER to get an adaptation and they make fan fiction garbage that doesn't even resemble the books if you squint.
>take character about male protagonist>sideline him >try to "ackshually it was really about the girls all along!" rugpull >nobody watches it>it cancels early SAY IT WITH ME NOW GO WOKE, GO ______!
>>221263377Rand is like 80% of the PoV chapters in the early part of the story, so them completely sidelining him at the start just absolutely guts the story.
>>221260897Serious answer: Nothing will ever match LotR, but of those that try, only Wheel of Time gets anywhere close.Meme answer:Invented haremshit but unlike other haremshit it wasn't written by a virgin but by a Nam vet that achieved the harem ending irl.
>>221263531for sure, and the entire world literally revolves around rand the entire time. his pull on the pattern causes nations across the entire world to colapse without him ever even stepping foot there
>>221263466And who was reading fantasy novels in the 90s outside of fantasy litfag circles?
Leftist simps are the second worst thing ever
>>221263219He's a fucking idiot. As others have pointed out, Rand has the most POVs. But not only that, he is the driving force of the entire narrative. Even the other character storylines are all largely focused on Rand and the repercussions of his actions.
>tfw no thicc forsaken gf
>>221260787>here's your uncannily ageless beauties bro
>>221261747Didn't they fuck up the depiction of magic by making it appear as if they're summoning literal threads of it from the ether or some shit?I seem to remember it's not actually meant to look like that.
>>221264771I'm pretty sure that's accurate. The big fuck up I remember was that men and women could see the other gender's weaves. Their hired "lore expert" aka shill said that it was not a mistake but was because Nynaeve's healing spell created light for some reason and that's why Logain could see it. Pure cope.
>>221264815Ah, that's what it was. It's been ages since I read the books but I knew they fucked something up about it.
>>221260610>it didn't follow the plot of the booksYou'd think a fantasy novel where the moral of the story is men and women having to work together would be a slam dunk. It's bad enough they add shitty dialogue, pointless OC characters and invented nippleplay scenes, but I'll never understand the hubris of showrunners who take a beloved story and think to themselves "I know better."
>>221264771In the books the Power is often described as "flows" or "weaves" so that visualization isn't off. It's just that normies can't see or sense the One Power until it manifests in some observable phenomena, and a lot of the magic battles in WoT involve two channelers trying to "shield" one another, that is, to cut the other channeler off from the One Power with an invisible barrier that prevents them from doing magic. These are some of the most intense, high-skill duels in the series, and to normals watching it's just two people frowning at each other.
>>221264971It's because WoT is very strict about sexual dichotomy, to the extent that the fundamental power of the universe is divided into exactly two parts: male and female, which exactly correspond to physical sex. The only time we ever see a person using the opposite power is when the Dark One reincarnated them as the opposite sex, and this is treated as an abomination by literally everyone.
>>221260431
>>221262095She really was Egwene 1.0
>>221265704No, Egwene 1.0 was the leader of the female Aes Sedai who wouldn't work with Lews Therin.
>>221265704>>221265719stfu egwene did help. just like rand was better than lews, egwene was better than her counterpart from the last age. egwene slander needs to end.
>>221260656Go on...>>221260778No clue, I liked the show but never read the books. More of a king fan and dune. Currently flying through the ender's shadow books. Bean fucking rules!
>>221264971What's the 1/1000?I've yet to encounter it unless you count the first FMA anime, which I don't. That was just them running out of source material and yoloing and ending up better
>>221266553moving out of fantasy, no country for old men was better than the book.
>>221261148He seemed to be comfortable glazing stephen king about his writing volume.
>>221261318I have heard dullards say the same thing about the dark tower, dune, and neal Stephenson books. Just because someone yucks your yum, doesnt mean their taste is irrefutable. Be brave and finish a book, make your own judgements from a place of knowledge and not of ignorance.
>>221266624dont encourage him. if he does read them he's going to become one of those reddit faggots who cries about "the slog" without realizing that was a meme that solely existed because we had to wait 2-3 years between each book and only had theoryland posts to tide us over and cannot possibly be applicable now that the series is finished
>>221266681I had to wait only a couple of years for the wizard and glass throught the dark tower books while older fans had to wait decades.
>>221266699brutal. i would have killed myself if i had to wait 10+ years between wot books.
>>221260431>generic fantasy slopMaybe stop throwing brown people wearing earthtone trousers and tunics into the woods and calling it a day from a production design perspective and people might start to give a shit about your totally unique fantasy world that's difficult from all the others fantasy worlds .I can guarantee you that you can take a still frame from the Witcher slop, the Wheel of Time slop, Dungeons and Dragons slop, and Amazon's Lord of the Right slop, and a randomly person on the street wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
>>221260431Well they didn't adapt the books, for starters. They also raceswapped like 75% of the cast and made it extremely gay.
>>221264971But you see, men and women needing to work together is the last thing these bitter gender supremacists want, so the core message had to go.
>>221266717King getting struck by a distracted driver had the effect of him wanting g to finish his magnum opus before his untimely death. For better or worse, he did it. I cherish it but can understand the disappointment of others.
rosamund pike wanted to be the main character and wanted to have an ugly black lesbian sex scenerafe wanted his waifu egwene to be the main characterexecutives didn't want rand to be the main character because he's too based in the books and has a harem which was problematic so he must be punished to compensateas a result the show was a fucking mess and they made 1 good episode which was when they actually adapted the book (almost) properly
>>221261561the men had to do it alone because the women wanted to talk about it some more even though the time for talking had passed
Fuck you guys it was kino
>>221267099>>221267212the books are awful though
>>221267650if that were true then why isn't the show, which deviated drastically from the books, an improvement? it shouldn't be hard to make the tv show better if the source material is so bad??
>>221267590Looks alright but it reminds me of that cancelled show called the nevers. It had the buddy from Shaun of the dead.
>>221267775because that doesn't follow at all you retardSprinkling some DEI piss over LOTR ripoff shit is still sewage
>>221268002but they didn't follow the books surely if the books are awful the show's changes would be better???
>>221268002>LOTR ripoffso you didnt read the books, watch the show, or ever see lotr...faggot ass troll
>>221268898flawless logic my nigga
>>221268002the funny thing is that the books had a lot of diversity but the show still managed to fuck it up and made its diversity completely lore unfriendly
>>221266553Eragon
>>221269403Jordan straight up admitted to ripping off lotr>you didn't read...It's always funny how you retards think consooming fantasy slop for teenagers puts you in some exclusive club
>>221269712Why do you care at all about this lol
>>221269786Because I was right and you were wrong faggot.Now you're trying to get the last word in to save face.
>>221260431shitskins, niggers and faggots I assume? I didn't watch it so can't be positive.
brown word
>>221260431>It was even starting to get good!>3 seasons
I wonder if story anon is still around
>>221260758Goddamn. All they need to do was adapt the books wtf why add all this superfluous stuff they had 14 books worth of material to work with. Every producer and writer in this should be blacklisted or have their kneecaps removed.
>>221261390Moiraine's character was also a high level producer, and low key running the show herself. So it was less about Hollywood this time, and more about her ego.
>>221260787I get a hearty chuckle that they made the decision to make the white midget a traitor.
>>221260431>it gets good 12 seasons inSame reason LotR failed.
>>221271036LotR didn't fail. If you're talking about whatever the fuck that Amazon thing is, that's called something else and was has probably always operated at a loss anyway
>>221260897They act initially like it's a typical fantasy settling, but as the story goes on it becomes apparent that it's actually a post apocalypse setting. It used to be a scifi world, but some ultimate construct of evil waged a war with genetic mutants and abominations and nearly ended it all, until he got curbstomped by men, who ended up sacrificing the mental health of all males to do so. Naturally the women gaslight the world so no one remembers.
>>221262884What is up with you all and hairy nasty swampbushes? Guys prefer it shaved and clean.
Who is who?
>>221260431They pissed off the book fans through ugly woke casting choices and massive story changes. The viewership fell off a cliff after Season 1 and never recovered. >It was even starting to get good!Too little too late.
>>221272644lan and rand in the backnynaeve and perrin in the middleegwene and matt bottommoiraine centerand here's loial
>>221260431>Why did it Fucking failIt has less to do with books than lotr movies do so book niggas vomit, cry, shit, piss and sweat blood from the mere notion of it and for normalfagoids it is generic fantasy shit series on the telly like witcher (the one with a budget of 1,5 beer bottles with zhembrowski) or legend of the seeker o algo>People never even gave it a chance! It was even starting to get good!Shameful displayDo sudoku
>>221260431>Why did it Fucking fail?Forcefully diverse cast, that's why.
>>221271148That's pretty far off.
>>221260431The trailer looked awful.
>>221266681I'm recent. And I will say that there are some parts of each novel that slog. Or rather we cut PoV into nothingburgerland and the exciting shit got offscreened. Book 4 built and then delivered. I hope there's some later that match, 5 has been meh. Crazy shit be happening with 'it's time for battle sir', but things just get offscreened. Mat chops a head off, mmk. The boys are just letting their past lives/hax win shit.
>>221260778>what grrm saidWho cares? He can't write, and you don't even need to read his shitty books to know, his retarded tax policy comment tells all.
>>221260778What was Tolkien's stance on unfinished book series'?
>>221273849>fuck it, my son can stich it together
>>221273889oh no
>>221260965Extremely based. Hard magic systems are basically anti-magic; not in the sense of annihilating it (although...) but in the sense of being the opposite of magical.Even when magic works the way someone wants it to, they should be wrong about why it's working or why it works should actually be out of their hands. When magic becomes understandable or consciously controllable, ESPECIALLY when it can be controlled by fucking INDIVIDUALS, it becomes no longer remotely anything close to magic. It's just a way of adding sci-fi gobbeldigook to settings with fantasy aesthetics. Insanely gay.Too many faggots raised on D&D these days.
>>221260431rosemund pike insists upon herself
>>221274160Plus, even with hard magic systems, and clearly established rules and limitations there's always two or three motherfuckers who bypass the rules do to their sheer raw power. So what was the point of the system in the first place?
>>221260778Yes, he said that he shat and drank and shat and then shat found in tall grass so he drank and then he went and shat up Elden Ring.
>>221260431>People never even gave it a chance!I watched the entire first season as it was airing. It was incredibly gay and anything interesting was glossed over for more gay shit. I won't watch wokeslop and definitely will never pay for it.
>>221260787>Tolkien writes about Middle Earth>communists from Amazon write about Middle Aged
>>221274252didn't grrm just write the backstory synopsis on a handkerchief and miyazaki was the one who made everyone a depressed zombie (99% of the game)?
>>221274307I have played enough FromSoft and red enough Martin to see his grubby hands all over it. Naming conventions are definitely his and plenty of basic story beats, because while FromSoft makes strong depresso, Martin fancies himself chungus subverserino, so he writes tryhard nihilism that barely holds together.I do believe he had nothing to do with DLC, because even though it is even more defeatist than basic Elden Ring, the flavor is certainly different and more of a FromSoft style.
>>221274307iirc he wrote the back story for the world, basically a rip off of Byzantine Empire but with tree magic, probably the royal family too but not the current era events
>>221273948>Call the man with wet hair Damphair>Calls a castle on a cliff Casterly Rock>Names a dragon Drogon>Marries a woman called McBrideG.R.R.M. shitty writer confirmed.
>>221271001Islam is right about women.
>>221269712>Jordan straight up admitted to ripping off lotrFor the first book. At the insistence of his editor, who believed it was the only way to sell the series. The bulk of WoT is entirely its own story, unrelated to LotR.
>>221275926>there's a wizard>there's a magic thing you need to go get>there's a comfy village in a medieval setting (pretty sure Tolkein didn't invent that one)I mean sure if you want to get super pedantic about it. But really that's just the bones of every fantasy story and it didn't plenty to distinguish itself. I'm tired of this cope, the story stands on it's own it doesn't need qualifiers and justification.
>>221275986*did
>>221261148>>221260965>>221274160He just says that because like every faggot boomer with lead-poisoning-induced dementia and retardation he hates everything he cannot comprehend. Not entirely his fault mind you, it was also partly due to the times he grew up in, but the fact of the matter is magic is like radiation to them, it's not something to be understood or explained, it's just an unknowable invisible force that kills you if you mess with it because the man in the tv said so.It's also hilariously ironic because he says magic should be mysterious and dangerous and hard magic kills that but then his soft magic system world is bleak and almost completely devoid of any actual magic.
>>221274215>Plus, even with hard magic systems, and clearly established rules and limitations there's always two or three motherfuckers who bypass the rules do to their sheer raw power.There was one female writer on the panel who explicitly said if you do a hard magic system, please don't do that. She was begging up and coming writers to stick to the hard rules and not use convenient outs for shitty writing.
>>221274296Is Amazon Prime actually fixing all their woke nonsense? I saw Rafe and the original writers left God of War because of "different creative directions"
Because Rosamund Pike has active cunt face.
>>221276671It's honestly just laziness and/or lack of intelligence. If you are capable of creating a set of hard rules then all it takes is thinking a bit more to come up with multiple potential outs or loopholes to said rules without needing to break them. Could also just be that many people have a system but don't really have a story tailored for said system, so they just toss it into a generic mold and wing it until they inevitably hit a wall and have to break the rules.
>>221261148He knows he is never gong to finish Game of Thrones and is proactively angry about the fact that it is most likely Sanderson who is gonna pen the final books based on his napkin drafts.
>>221274941We'll never have another writer will we that was able to come up with names of people and places with such powerful language as Tolkien did will we?
>>221260431Wait I remember this poster, but the actor on the bottom right looks different.
>>221276971IMO he already finished it and just decided he wants it to be released after he dies. Either the series ending was his actual ending and since people hated it he wants it to come out when he's dead so he doesn't have to deal with criticism, or he just wants to troll people cause he's a fat bastard.
Wait, so Rosamund Pike's character is not supposed to be the main character?
>>221267590Holy fucking Bollywood, I had forgotten that.>>221267212>1 good episodeWhich episode was that?>rosamund pike wanted to be the main characterThe fuck they care what she wants? She's a fucking hag now. Sure she was hot when she was a Bond girl, but that was like 20 years ago.Damn, Harv going down really fucked everything up didn't it? I didn't think the loss of some old-bald-fat-ugly literal NTR-man would ruin Hollywood like this.
>>221278004no more than gandalf is the main character in lotr
>>221272735he was a mega-slave created in the Age of Legends to pick cotton on an industrial scale
>>221260431I remember they did a really shitty job actually explaining what the Wheel of Time was in season 1. I don’t get why they didn’t just explain it in the intro.
>>221260431I have never seen a show hate its main protagonist since Adventure Time. You can tell the writers and showrunners didn’t give a single shit about Rand.
>>221260610THISHIS
>>221261148GRRM hasn't finished the books he's best known forAnd he's getting tired of being askedBut why finish it when you can just shit stuff out on a napkin and some japs will make a game around it
>>221260431I did my best to try to like this show despite the horrendous casting decisions but when they brought out the troon to be a bdsm master/mistress/whatever any attempts to continue enjoying it just fell apart and I dropped it. It negatively colored a future attempt at reading the books because I kept thinking about the terrible casting choices and the sterile, inauthentic fantasy setting that looked like it was trying too hard to imitate GoT and LotR from the show so I dropped the books too.
>>221278300>Which episode was that?Probably s3e4 Rhuidean flashbacks?
>>221280016Even that one was barely passable. Calling it good is pure cope. They completely changed the motivation of Mierin and made Rand's blood ancestor a faggot because literally nobody thought about anything beyond "how can we whitewash the female characters and insert more homosexuals" in the production team.
>>221269712you didn't read them but try to talk about them. youre a troll
>>221273670if you dont like the series you dont like it. that doesnt make it a slog, it makes it you forcing yourself to read millions of words you dont like
>>221281149>that doesnt make it a slogi love the series but god damn the bowl of the winds and the middle does drag
>>221281516i like those parts, but yeah, having one or two parts you dont like is fine and it still makes sense you like the series. but the fandom meme of everything from crown of swords to knife of dreams being this horrible slog that is just terrible to work through is annoying. when you get to the point that you hate a full 1/3 of the series maybe you should just admit you dont like the series. (not you "you", but the proverbial "you")
>>221260431>take a story that people love>turn it into something that has nothing to do with the actual storyLiteral definition of a hate letter to the fans
>>221260610>removed the gendered aspect of the magic systemInsane since it is literally the entire point of the whole story
>>221281629>when you get to the point that you hate a full 1/3 of the seriesits more so certain plot lines than whole books in the middle for example Faile, great character but fuck me the entire kidnapping plot can fuck off, same with pregnant elayne adventures and the pointless circus detour
#1 show in the world. Suck it nerds
>>22128172521 year old warlord perrin hunting down the barbarians who kidnapped his wife is pure kino. so is the circus arc. pregnant elayne can fuck off, i agree with that. thats the only part of the series i actually dislike. i get what he was trying to do but andor just isnt that relevant anymore by that point of the story and her self-imposed handicap of accepting no outside help is lame.
>>221281956>*from nov 19 - 27kek
>>221281664to be fair, rand box is lord of chaos. which is also great, but gets overrated because of the incredible ending.
>>221281725>>221282026Elayne!
>>221282026But he killed his wife in the first episode. Are you saying she gets like resurrected and then killed again or something?
>>221282432are you serious right now nigger
>>221276776doesn't mattereven if they temporarily "fix" things now it's just because they are waiting for a time to roll the gay back out when they think it's politically expedient
>>221263584Jordan had a harem? lmao based if true
>>221271148Isn't that the plot of the Shanara books?
I never read the books, I did watch the series and it was fucking terrible.
>>221284056He did. His wife allowed him to fuck other women and was ok with it.
>>221282627Well what do you mean?
>>221260431Has to be the worst adaptation of all time. It's criminal that none of the people behind it will ever face any consequences.
>>221260431>Let's turn off the white male audience who's the main demographic this appeals to so we can appeal to fucking ghetto Blacks who don't even give a shit about fantasyYeah not sure why it failed
>>221281725>its more so certain plot lines than whole books in the middle for example Faile, great character but fuck me the entire kidnapping plot can fuck off, same with pregnant elayne adventures and the pointless circus detourThe kidnapping arc would've been fine but because Jordan was keeping everyone's timelines in sync with Rand cleansing the source he made it go far longer than it should've from a reader's perspective. You can sort of tell he has this idea in his head that all these things have to happen in a certain sequence but there isn't really a payoff for it for the reader. Personally I hated the "lets deal with the whitecloaks finally" for Perrin far more since everyone involved had to be hit the with the stupid bat to make it work.
>>221284286anons talking about stuff in the books. The wife you are talking about that perrin kills, doesnt exist in the books
>>221284751>anons talking about stuff in the books. The wife you are talking about that perrin kills, doesnt exist in the booksHe's uh trolling you.
my wife Lanfear
her power was so great that she could even stop people from dying
>>221260431This time it would be easy and right to blame everything on writing. Writer for this adaptation was an absolute retard.
>>221260778>She shat and drank GMM>what if royals were inbreeding trannies GMMYeah, no one cares about what this weird fuck and hack thinks about fantasy genre.
>>221284786How am I trolling? I've never read the books, I have no idea what happens in the books versus what I saw on the show.
>>221260431>Why did it Fucking fail?Rafe Judkins made his pro assfucking fan ficion instead of a Wheel of Time show.
>>221260965Based fatso, get that fantasy physics shit outta my face
>>221266486She only helped because Rand Ta'varned her ass into it.
>>221266553I'm gonna take a guess because I haven't actually seen the movie, but Andromeda strain. I say that because the book was fucking boring and nothing happens, so they almost certainly could have easily improved upon it in the movie
>>221260965>nooo this is different than how i like it so it should never be done and you are stupid if you disagreeWhat a fucking child.
>>221285188i think even so, if you weren't trolling, you probably would have assumed he gets remarried later no?
>>221285501no egwene was the one who was immune to his Uber-Dragon aura. people just hate egwene because she's an alpha bitch
>>221285565I guess that would make sense. So all the main characters get married at the end to different people? Like Egwene and Rand, I guess Perrin and Mat each marry someone, and then Nynaeve and Lan probably marry each other, and then Moiraine gets to find someone else to Lez out with since her chick died.
>>221285600Nobody is immune to the pattern except The Dark One.
>>221285629Yes. The original Emond's field party gets paired off in various fashions.
>>221285629moraine isnt a carpet muncher in the books. she has an older man fetish
>>221279287WoT came out before ASOIAF so it obviously can't be imitating it. Also it's a terrible way to live letting good things be ruined for you by shitty adaptations. If anything you should want to read them more so you know just how badly they fucked up. It's a fun series, it's not the greatest thing since sliced bread but it's just a good casual fantasy story with a lot of world building and interesting characters and ideas. I would encourage you to at least read the first 3 books and see what you think.
>>221281516For me it was the Parrin chapters, I like the guy but it just didn't click.
>>221281725>the pointless circus detourI loved every second of it, pure kino. You have to be thinking at a higher demensional level to understand it though so I forgive you. Elayne tightrope walking gave me a fetish.
>>221260610>removed the gendered aspect of the magic systemHow is that possible? One half of the magic system being corrupted and driving people insane was like the main plot for several books.
>>221286094instead of the magic being tainted, its men. Men always bad
>>221284056>If I can manage two women at once, I'm sure The Dragon Reborn can handle three
>I won't shout at you.Nynaeve shouted.
>>221286305I loved the power dynamic between Lan and Nynaeve. Both headstrong leader types, it could have gone so badly but instead they found a way to make it work giving up the power to the other in certain aspects of life. Made it feel so much more believable and wholesome. Can't even imagine how badly they would have fucked it up if the show got to that part.
>>221286356I hate what they did to Lan in the show. Having some fucking Korean twink that barely weighs 160 wet. Book Lan is like 6'5 of pure muscle.
>>221286356same here. I love that both nyn and lan are the most powerful in their fields and they are the ones that are down to the end with rand, but still always tell rand what he needs to hear. Nyn sending him to the furthest western kingdom to start his march to tarwins gap is pure kino
>>221286435And clad in fusion medieval and samurai armor. For fucks sake, he's literally the centerpiece to the cover of the first book.
>>221285629Egwene and Rand do not end up with each other in the books LOL!
>>221284851>the most beautiful woman in the world>looks like she goes through a box of wine a dayGrim.
>>221284942>*tugs weave*
>>221286605he does have a japanese style helmet on the cover of the first book thoughthe borderlands always had a vaguely asian thing going on. the physicality aspect is more egregious than the race aspect here, but how do you even find a giant buff asian actor? i think every gook that's tall is either in a kpop group or in basketball
>>221287244Guarantee they saw that and went>well we can't cast a gigachad wearing a samurai helmet, we need an asianbecause they were terrified of being called racist, but then of course followed up with the classic hollywood>japanese? chinese? korean? who cares just find a little squinty fella
>>221287464It's like how they heard there's a character named Min, never mind that it's a nickname, and immediately went "oh she's got to be asian". They can't help themselves but be ironically racist.
>becomes the most successful tv show of all time in your path
>>221260431They gave the adaptation to people who not only don't like the source material, but morally object to its core tenets. Of course it was going to be a disaster.A central theme in WoT is that its world is incredibly strictly split between male and female things, and that these halves need each other but should also stay separated from each other. And the moment the modern brain poison writers saw that they went NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE GENDER ROLES and the whole shit immediately collapsed because it's built entirely on that.
>>221266553>What's the 1/1000?The Shining
>>221287493fix your aspect ratio and then let's talk
>>221285857>WoT came out before ASOIAFI was referring to the TV show's sets/costumes/etc not the book itself. The book didn't seem like an imitation, the show did.>terrible to let good things be ruined by shitty adaptationsI'm sure in time the taint will fade but its not actually a choice is it? You experience something the first time, in the future a re-experience will draw on that memory, its how experience works. Maybe in a decade or something I'll try giving them a read again and I'll have fully forgotten the TV show by then.
>>221260862>Turn your top guy rapist sex pest lieutenant with 6 million defiled wahmen under his belt into a smoking hot wahmen when he fails you and diesWhat did the Dark One mean by this. Also this plot point makes trannies so, so very mad, even more mad than the gendered magic system.
>>221288468don't forget the implication shaidar haran is going around raping the female forsaken when they fail to comply including balthamael in his hot woman body
>>221285978Unfathomably based opinion, circus travels round 2 with Mat and Tuon having their psycho little romance game and where she threatens to collar the obnoxious catty channeler bitches but Mat just bends them over and spanks them instead like children while their warders seethed outside the cuck wagon was kino of the highest order.
>>221260431I know of the books but haven't read them. Was the old nun lady supposed to be the main character? Between her and the brown girl I got sick of it because Rand's prophecy, he and his friend slowly going insane and the futuristic past were much more interesting. The Forsaken were cool too. I could only bare some of the sub plots they they fuckin dropped it. Very annoying.
>>221288741>Was the old nun lady supposed to be the main character?Yes. She is absent for 2/3rds of the books, very main character
>>221261518>lunchtime rowdiesTakes me back, it does
>>221287244the whole point was that cultures in WoT were all thrown together and mixed up, Lan was polish(according to jordan) but wore samurai armour but their wives wear indian sari dresses and have a marriage dot. the tuatha'an are irish desert bedouin gypsies and seanchan are black texans larping as imperial chinese
>>221260431I've never read the books and I still somehow knew from episode one that the show had nothing to do with them.
>>221260431Muliethnic fantasy = no watchIt's that simple
>>221260431Got mogged by Willow.
>>221285853Eh, she DOES munch carpet, a lot of them do, just they're prison gay while locked in the tower (so teen lesbians).
>>221284103Only the first one ( a problem for all fantasy at the time, publishers all wanted the next LOTR)Then it becomes it's own thing second book forward and is much better for it.In fact you can just skip the first book and start with the second and you'll not have lost anything.
>>221266486Cool argument, however http://www.readandfindout.com/wheeloftime/messageboard/285742/
>>221291227Eh?>go to eye>kill a biggest retard accidentally>dagger gets let outside containment zone>this one asshole starts/keeps showing up>super old last of their race gets killed>start manning up, yer the chosen one arryTo be fair, I get annoying re-reading introductions every other book. Basically has recaps.
>>221292293I was talking about the Shanara books.
>>221291914what the hell are you talking about?
>>221260787Moreine is fuckable and should have fucked Rand
>>221293406oh right of course
>>221260431it was unwatchable, it was killing me with boredom.i started fast forwarding through the boring parts, and i didnt stop fast forwarding until the entire show ended. it was so fucking boring and ugly to look at.
>>221293554you made the right choice
>>221260431>Why did it Fucking fail?
>>221260431Well, first of all - original books were shit too. It is just a misery porn, that quickly devolves into BDSM misery porn and stays so up until the death of the original author. And (outside of the final book, written by a different writer) it contains (along with misery) only failure, suffering and other guys from that company.Now, all that highly-specific shit had been further uglyfied by modern "ideological" ways of making modern media. So no wonder it is a flop.
>>221286562you are goddamn right and second best girl is min
>>221295042tf are you talking about? Rand wins a major confrontation at the end of every book usually killing a forsaken, except for 9 when he cleanses the damn source
>>221260787I have to admit that the Aes Sedai being all mixed makes sense, since the scour every land for potentional recruits. I have no idea how a backwater village like Two Rivers is more mixed than Sweden though
>>221295042This aint RotE my nigga
>>221295925that isn't misery porn either their are many wins and each trilogy ends on a hopeful note
>>221261561I know you're just baiting by pretending that the show version is what was really happened, but it's still such a perfect example of the insidious anti-male agenda that permeated everything about the """adaptation""".
>>221261087>WoT is a good example of it done right and its basically softI like WoT because it's both. On a basic level it's a hard system, the same weave will always produce the same result and you can logically deduce what powers you need to combine if you want to produce a specific result. However, once you start getting into the really advanced shit with strength levels that are orders of magnitude higher than the typical everyday channeling everything sort of breaks down, the channeler gets into a borderline transcendental, altered state of consciousness and just DOES stuff, kind of like tapping into reality itself.
>>221270429It's because everyone in the production team was fundamentally opposed to every important theme of the books. I'm not kidding, the show ended up being what it was because it was a deliberate tear down and subversion.
>>221287244>how do you even find a giant buff asian actor?You go to Mongolia
>>221261359I'm 100% certain they only got 3 seasons because it was a package deal like that from the start. They announced both S2 and S3 before the respective previous seasons had even aired, so it clearly was never a matter of viewership numbers whether they got renewed or not. When there wasn't a similar announcement before S3 aired I knew they were in hot water and, if not already cancelled, depended heavily on how well S3 performed, which evidently wasn't enough, no matter how much the show shills tried to gaslight you that it was "finally getting good".
>>221273889Son did I ever tell you about Shelob....
>>221260965Is he ever going to write the remaining ASoIaF books?
>>221287244The book covers shouldn't be taken as gospel, Darrell K. Sweet was notoriously lax with the designs (his trollocs were humans wearing animal head shaped helmets, for example). Lan doesn't even wear full armor like that and should be closer to a ranger in his camo cloak.>the borderlands always had a vaguely asian thing going onThis has always been a gross oversimplification. The borderlands don't share a common ethnic phenotype, or even a culture, just the location. Shienar is the one with the most east-Asian elements, the samurai style topknots etc, but even they are mixed with European style armor and castle fortifications. Saldaeans are vaguely middle-eastern / steppe. Lan is from Malkier and his striking blue eyes are one of his most prominent features, but their culture has elements from ancient China (poetry) and visual elements from India (the ki'sain). None of this means the people would look Asian, though, which flew completely over the heads of the people making the show, because all they cared about was having the excuse to raceswap White characters.>>221289684>Lan was polish(according to jordan)Jordan said his personal casting for Lan would've been Liam Neeson.
>>221296228mongolians are short, I'm sure you could find buff ones but you aren't going to find tall ones
If you have read the books but haven't watched the show and wonder just how maliciously bad it was: Bayle Domon had a mustache
>>221296526idk why anyone says this just because he finished WoT, he has said its far to bleak and graphic for him and he has no interest in finishing the series. Not to mention it would be terrible his WoT books weren't very good him trying to imitate Gurms style would be atrocious
>>221296542Lan wears armour like that in the blight at the end of the first book.
>>221296603He does in some occasions, yes, but the book cover is supposed to show the beginning of their journey.
>>221263219>you clearly loved the books so much you didn't care about changing all the story!>that's right :)both of these "people" should be executed
>>221296585I think anon meant Gurm.
>>221296615Its a shame they ruined the series. If I had the money Id buy the rights
>>221296632oh well in that case NO the fat fuck will never finish them ever, he's not even going to write another dunk and egg short story EVER
>>221263219Every time this fucking fat FAGGOT opened his mouth about the books it became increasingly clearer and clearer that he had never even opened them. Probably just skimmed the wikipedia summary.
>>221296666nice quads if I had the money I'd make it a cartoon 10-15 eps per season/novel, and do it in the style of dantes inferno
>>221296666Weep for your adaptation. Weep for what is lost forever.
>>221296615its been a while since i've read eotw but doesn't he have his armor loaded on mandarb?I could swear he wears it when they confront the trollic fist that moraine destroys with earth weaves and her angreal
>>221296582Bayle was in the show? when?
>>221296729I'll take your word for it, because it has been a while for me too. But again, the book cover doesn't show a battle scene and Lan and Moiraine were undercover during the journey, so he wasn't just wearing it 24/7. Also, he was never described wearing a helmet from what I can remember and the ones with the samurai reminiscent armor were the Seanchan.
>>221296686>>221296696The only real option is some jap studip buys the rights and makes an anime. Or poorfags can AI slop it
>>221296747Season 2. He's Moiraine's informant when she's depressed about "losing her powers" (because the Aes Sedai for some reason didn't know what it felt like to be shielded lmao).
>>221296796>Or poorfags can AI slop itAbsolutely fucking not. That would be the equivalent of those fake realities the Dark One created in the end.
>>221260431>DEISorry, hard pass
>>221296796no not anime fuck that its wrong maybe mappa or witif it was the entire company dedicated to it but only them.
>>221296815I completely forgot about that and am happy I had, so fuck you for reminding me I guess, it really went out of its way to maliciously fuck with the source material.
>>221266553The ShiningNo Country For Old MenBlade RunnerJurassic Park. 50/50 on this one since it’s not the same as the book but the CGI and feel more tha n make up for it.Shawshank RedemtionStand By MeLord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring. Better flow than the book imo.Children of Men (Author said so)Gone Baby GoneFight ClubSilence of the Lambs
>>221260431>added extra content to an already bloated series of books>didnt understand the book or any of its themes>show runners and writers hated the source material I didnt even mind black loial. I did hate black perrin and egweyn. The whole point of them being in the 2 rivers is everyone looks the same in their tiny little town and Rand looks different and stands out and they go out a discover a wider world of different people and cultures
>>221296785the Malkier were as well, but as has been said everything is jumbled around, Irish arabs, texan japanese etc.
>>221286562Nynaeve is a naggy and stubborn old hag, wtf
>>221297123shut the fuck up this a Nynaeve board, the examples of her selflessness her bravery and basic moral center are countless. Don't make me post the KoD chapter
>>221297123she's 23 years old and literally the bravest and best female character in the story and its not even close.Thats her on the right.>old hagfuck right off
>>221297009>egwene is my favorite characterRafe is a fucking idiot and everyone knew the moment he posted that it was doomed
It was fun making fun of the show when it came out. Although there was one turbo-autist ESL who ruined every thread. He's probably posting right now just to keep the thread alive. I hated that faggot.
>>221297325they one defending the show? pretty sure that was rafe he was a fucking moron.
>>221296829The tv show is the reality where the dark one won. >>221296896Id give it to legend of galactic heroes people.
>>221297412if you are talking about the 2018 one thats Production IG and that is exactly what I don't want its modern anime style just awful for a western story. If you mean Artland the og company sure that would be great except they don't exist anymore
>>221297530The og.
>>221297564yea if they still existed that would've been great
>>221296929Easy to forget honestly, he wasn't even on a boat and instead rode into the fucking mountains. It's like every decision was made to make sure the show was as far from the source material as possible.
>>221297009Loial's skin color was the least of the issues with him. He didn't look like an ogier AT ALL.
>>221266553>Oldboy>Coraline>???
>>221297696I kinda do remember now also the ridiculous amount of time spent with Alanna and her gay warder, by the light this show was a travesty. Also Moraine doesn't understand she's been shielded with a tie off weave. Fucking hell it was so bad.
>>221267590How nice of the fireball to move at less than 10mph
>>221297770The reason Alanna had so much screentime was because one of her warders was the showrunner's IRL boyfriend. It also let them have a non-White woman front and center and constantly steal narrative importance, so that was a nice bonus.
>>221297816yea its all coming back now, what a pile of shit
>>221266553>and ending up betterThe first FMA has an absolutely dogshit ending. It unravels completely the moment they run out of source material and only nostalgiafag contrarians who haven't touched the series since they originally watched it back in the day (probably dubbed too, ptoo!) claim otherwise.
>>221297816lmao I just realized that entire thing was a justification for him to be in the pit of doom at the end of the story, fucking hell rafe was such a disaster.
>>221278588Wrong, that was Someshta, who the show skipped.
>>221278588yea the ogier are from another world they used the book of translation to come to randland, their very odd power created zones that were dead to the source, its why they survived the breaking, their honor had them stay to help. One of the many things that annoyed me about BS and the final 3 books was Jordan was asked if the Jade Empire and randland ogiers would have a scene he replied >they will meetSanderson wrote it happening off screen.
>>221276776They can't fix anything as long as they still have the muh diversity requirement for casting and writing rooms. They will shuffle their showrunners but the underlying rot will just ensure the same mistakes remain.
>>221277308>IMO he already finished it and just decided he wants it to be released after he dies.This is cope. This exact same claim was going around when GoT was airing but back then the narrative was that his contract with HBO had a clause that he can't release new books before the show is done. When the show's ending came and went and there were no surprise book releases the story just shifted to Gurm not wanting to release them while he's still alive. In reality he has written fucking nothing since the Winds preview chapters, which were just cut content from the previous book anyway.
>>221277218They had to recast him because the original actor peace'd out.
>>221281725I agree with the rest but you will not disrespect my GOAT Valan Luca.
>>221284851>what if we made the insane BPD schizo who sold her soul to Satan into a sympathetic character and a love interest?>fucking geniusYou can just SMELL the middle aged foid writers from this (and not in a good way).