I got over 200 downvotes on Reddit for making a post in the Doctor Who sub saying that the viewership declined because the show started pandering to the lgbt community which is a minority percentage of the population.I wasn't even disrespectful, racist, or homophobic. I just said that if you target a small crowd the big crowds wont be interested.
>>221261049You're talking to mentally ill people anon they don't see reason
>sack Russel t Davies>sack Jane tranter >sack Phil Collinson
>>221261183Most of the replies were saying things like "Doctor Who has always been LGBT coded" and they were getting upvoted to the sky. They're actually so mental it's unreal. Yes, gay characters have existed but it has never been their whole character as it was in Chibnal and RTD2.
It's all your fault for gobbling up the Doctor randomly becoming a woman and then a black gay guy
Amelia was best companion
>>221261023Its been 28 days Jim.
I'M THE DOCTORI'M 47 YEARS OLDI'M A TIME DUKE FROM THE PLANET MONGOI'VE GOT 14 BOLLOCKS AND A SLICK VAGINAI SHOOT PANDAS FOR FUNI KNOW WHERE THE SMURFS LIVE IN REAL LIFEI'D SHAG YOU, AND I'D SHAG YOU, AND I'D SHAG YOUAND I'M GONNA GONNA SAVE EVERY CUNT ERESHUT YOUR GAY MOUTHS ABOUT IT
>>221261296For me it's Clala
>>221261278I don't mind either of those things but making the change the characters entire personality ruined the show. Congratulations to Ncuti being the 1st black gay actor to play the Doctor but it really shouldn't have been the sole focus in a children's sci-fi programme.Captain Jack swung in every direction but nobody got mad because he was a good character and didnt make slobbing knob his entire shtick.
>>221261049>redditWell there is your problem.
>>221261049>>221261211I'm so sorry you got those downvotes, are you going to be alright? Hang in there
>>221261023Just finished rewatching s6It was a lot worse than I remember. River Song is unbearable
>>221261049They don't give a fuck. they'll just do a little smug face and go "actchually it was always woke. Remember Captain Jack?", and then they'll pretend they've actually watched any of the classic series.Look bros, I hate to break it to you, but people weren't watching for Captain Jack, and people certainly weren't watching because Captain Jack was "gay"(actually bisexual, and often shown to be flirtatious with women).Everyone kind of thought Torchwood was shit at the time, and all.
>>221261475>>221261480I'll survive, anon. Just thought there would be a more open discussion on Reddit but it's just an echo chamber. If you say something they disagree with they just downvote your post to oblivion. They're not interested in altering perspectives.
>>221261510I was 5 years old in 2005 and thought Captain Jack was cool. I knew he was a bit fruity but he was also a cool space pirate conman and seduced Rose.
>>221261510People weren't watching in the 70's because they snuck in a few cheeky references to colonialism in Africa or whatever the fuck. And yeah, they did do that, it's just beside the point.Kids were always like "I want to be the Doctor because he's cool, fights monsters, and has access to a time machine".
>>221261569Yeah but somewhere around 2016 they decided that they hated young men and went out of their way to never make anything that they would find "cool" again. Thats why the show was completely shit from that point onward
>>221261505It feels especially bad because it comes straight after the very good S5.
>>221261541I don't think I even grasped that Jack was sexually peculiar the first time I saw it. It's all very veiled, and he's flirting with Rose the whole time.
>>221261610I see what you're saying. For example, the part where Jack and the Doctor joke about dancing, I thought that was like when you joke about being gay with your friends. It just felt like natural dialogue.
>>221261599I think it's the complete lack of explanations or lore that makes it especially irritating. It doesn't even feel like dr who, or even sci fi anymore when you're not explaining the aliens or their culture and just sort of handwaving everything so you can cram in more plot twistsOnly good episode in the whole run was the one where Amy gets old in quarantine. Mainly because it ignored the plotline of the season and actually explored a sci-fi idea
>>221261628I thought they were talking about dancing. I dunno. Humanity solved all their problems, takes to the stars, and gets really into dancing and having a good time. Why is that so obviously a reference to bum sex?I feel you have to be primed a certain way to pick up on that sort of an inference.
>>221261652Oh and the flesh. That was good tooAll the shit with the silence though, 2/10
>>221261525I mean here, even if we agree with you, there is still a good possibility we'll call you a faggot. Nothing personal, its just how it is here.
>>221261670Thats okay because at least we can have a conversation here.>>221261655You couldn't tell Jack was a bit *zesty*... it's explicitly said multiple times that he fucks EVERYTHING.
>>221261525Reddit's fucking terrible. I've been banned from Reddits for "misogyny" because I made some vague generalisation about women. I don't even remember what I said. Probably that on the whole they're not as tough as men are, which is true.
>>221261049I was thinking about this too. The audience they wanted left precisely when they were putting gay, old, and black characters into it. Around the time of Capaldi or Bill. When they had Tennant or Smith, who had more straight content, that audience was shipping gay scenes in their mind.Now, much what the problem really was is the content was less entertaining for general TV or for children.
>>221261710No, I couldn't, because I was like 12, and I wasn't primed to just assume everyone was gay. I don't think I knew Russel T Davies or John Barrowman were gay at that point. I though Jack was an American. American's are a bit like that. Loud and extravagant.
>>221261710Most of us watched the london blitz episode when we were under the age of 10
>>221261023Doccy Who!
>>221261798I need 13's jacket but in red.
Hot take but this show always fucking sucked and absolutely doesn't deserve general.
Its possible that a sci-fi show that needs a certain level of viewership and type of viewer, just can’t survive on streaming.There are some really bad, old, Russel T Davies and Moffat episodes in Nu Who. But they had the benefit of a broadcast audience giving it a shot every week. If you got a bad episode you would wait till next week. If you have three bad episodes in a row on a streaming service people wont come back.
>>221261510The thing about Jack was that his entire personality was over the top hypersexuality as comic relief which comes off differently from the preachy self-righteous tone of more recent episodesAlso gays and women weren't so insufferable back then
Redditors are that particular type of autistic person who absorbs the absolute face-value version of liberalism.Like, no one in the real world thinks men and women are actually psychologically identical and equally capable of every job. Most people understand that "we're all equal" actually means something like "we're all equally worthy of respect". But redditors are fucking idiots and they literally think every human is identical. They think a fully female staffed military would be a fine idea, because we're all the same. They think dumping a thousand third world immigrants on a small village is no more likely to result in a murder spree than if you were to dump a thousand Norwegians there.They're fucking idiots.
>>221261921No that's not the issue at all. The issue is that the show is turbo pozzed and can't go 5 minutes without making someone unlikable into a social mouthpiece.
>>221261921the format needs a change for sure. They should do more stuff like TWBL&S. Essentially an old style serial in 5 to 10 parts. That's what people want in the streaming era.It's just a shame TWBL&S was a bit of a damp squib. It's heart was in the right place.
>>221262109>They should do more stuff like TWBL&S. Essentially an old style serial in 5 to 10 parts.And cut them together into a movie for a theatrical release?
I wanted to fuck Camille Coduri
>>221261730They'll mention the strongest woman on the planet and compare them to Sheldon Cooper and be like "LOOK YOU'RE WRONG AHAH".>>221261737I'm not 100% of what you're saying.>>221261768>>221261776You couldn't tell Russel T Davies is gay. A baby that's just popped from the womb can tell something is different with him.
>>221262380I'm telling you, the culture was different in 2005. Sexuality wasn't in our faces constantly. I thought gay people looked like Graham Norton or Julian Clary.Honestly, even now there's not much about Russel's general demeanor that screams "gay". "fat nerd", maybe. If I didn't know, I wouldn't know.
>>221262445Russel is the biggest gay I've ever seen. He has a gay Welsh accent and just LOOKS like he buggers mens assholes.
>>221262487Dunno what to tell you. When I meet any person I'm not usually like "well he definitely bums arses...".It's not really my business, for one thing.
>>221262362The Doctor should have regenerated into her.
Matt Smith fucking sucked. Peter Capaldi saved the show. They should’ve just paid him more for one more season then ended the show.
>>221261737David Tennant is gay bro
Was RTD always this much of a disgusting faggot?
So he’s just a straight up paedophile?
>>221262862Can someone edit him into the hanging troonjak
>>221262698i actually like them both equally. They're just very different takes on the character.Matt Smith is the Doctor played as an almost full blown comedic character, and Capaldi is an attempt at something darker and grittier.
And the shepherd's boy says
the daleks are shit
>>221261505Yeah, it's pure soap opera kek Moffat got too inside his own ass
>its a sin>im persecuted for being gay>doctor who>im persecuted for being gay>tip toe>im persecuted for being gayif rtd thinks the gays are so persecuted why do they keep getting multi-million pound showswhich group are persecuting the gays so?
>>221265454History is a straightwash
is there a /who/ approved list of the 25 best stories or something
>>221266888Nu-Who must watch 1. Rose2. Dalek3. Fathers Day4. Empty Child/Doctor Dances5. Boom Town6. Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways 7. School Reunion8. Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel9. Army of Ghosts/Doomsday10. Smith & Jones11. Human Nature/Family of Blood (PEAK)12. Blink13. Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords14. Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead15. Midnight16. Stolen Earth/Journeys End17. Waters of Mars18. The Eleventh Hour19. The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang 20. A Christmas Carol 21. Listen22. Flatline23. Magicians Apprectice/Witch's Familiar24. Heaven Sent/Hell Bent25. World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls
>>221265454dude got famous for making Queer As Folk which is exactly that. why would he change a winning formula?
=>>221261449you're a faggot
>>221267254useless
>>221267454gonna manufacture a leak to bait Tharries
The writing in 11th was ass the female characters where the Same strong unrelatable and made the 11th doctor personality as a flirty jerk. And after 12 was ass. But liked the actors tho, enjoyed the slop
>>221267254>Magicians Apprectice/Witch's FamiliarWhenever I feel sad about the world, all I have to do is remember Davros just had his eyes shut all them years and I piss myself laughing
>>221261505Correct. She should have stayed in the Library.
Kinopaldi
>>221266888Not sure, I suppose the closest would be what are generally considered the most critically acclaimed Doctor Who stories, my guess it'd probably be,>Classic WhoThe War GamesGenesis of the DaleksCity of DeathThe Caves of AndrozaniRemembrance of the Daleks>Revival WhoBlinkSilence in the Library/Forest of the DeadVincent and the DoctorHeaven SentWorld Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls>AudiosThe Chimes of MidnightSpare PartsJubileeA Death in the FamilyThe Last Post>NovelsHuman NatureThe Also PeopleAlien BodiesThe Day of the Doctor novelisationThe Chimes of Midnight novelisation>ComicsThe Glorious DeadBeautiful FreakOblivionThe FloodHunters of the Burning Stone
>>221261049that's not why the female presenting and the black doctor were fucking awful. They were awful because it's Disney boot-licking bullshit with too much budget and no charm. One of my favorite classic-Who episodes the big bad is wrapped in green bubblewrap and it's amazing. The Rosa Parks episode is dogshit because it paints Rosa like if that bus shit never happened then Civil Rights wouldve never happened. Then there's the fucking cop with them and the episode where a mega corp Amazon is the bad guy and fucking Jodie at the end gives a call to action speech about how it's the individuals fault for mega corps and greed. This is the same series where 4th Doc in Sunmakers has a labour force literally throwing bankers off the roof and the big bad is a parasitic slug that turns to nothing when his wallet gets emptied.
>>221261666God Complex is good too!
>>221269269t. Roberts
>>221267254It's funny cos 10 years ago people here were a lot harsher on the RTD filth, but now we've got fools like you coming in claiming it's mostly good. The cycle of idiocy continues.
>>221269969Spare Parts is overrated tosh, as is The Day of the Doctor novelisation. The Crimson Hand is much better than Hunters of the Burning Stone.
>>221261798I like Jodie, but her stories were wall-to-wall shit.
>>221270623nope
Jodie feet
>>221261185RTD exploited the trust he built up during his first run, he thought because they liked his first run so much, that he could get away with anything
>>221271965He can write any old slop and not only get big actors on board but have critics praise it as the greatest piece of television they've seenJust look at Years and Years
>>221270566It WAS mostly good.Yes he had some stinkers too like the Slitheen, the fat aliens, Daleks in new york and Agatha Christie one.
total clara death
>>221273022Unicorn + Wasp > Chibshit, RTD2, most Moffucks too
>>221273084On par with Moffatslop
>>221271910Sure, why not?
>>221273115Uni wasp 9/10Most Moffucks 3/10
>>221261599Series 6 > Series 5
Last time /who/ was really active was the 60th anniversary. Since then it's been one long agonising death. It will never completely die because anyone can just make a new general when they want and get replies from soulless virgins. The real /who/sers left in 2018, almost a decade ago. This is just a rotting corpse. No one who has or will achieve anything good in life is reading this.
Imagine you were dying. Imagine you were afraid and a long way from home and in terrible pain. Just when you thought it couldn't get worse, you looked up and saw the face of the devil himself. Hello, teenage girls!
>>221273227See you tomorrow
>I'm far more than just another time lord, I used to be many little black girls in the past
>>221273263Real fans don't need to look up transcripts of episodes from 15 years ago. Real fans are not here though.
Fuck off. You know who I'm talking to.
>>221273410
RIP TOM BAKER1934 - 2025"You may be a Doctor, but I am The Doctor. The Definite Article, you might say!"I'm crying.
>>221273646It's 2026 now.
RIP GREENIS2021 - 2026"Greenis!"I'm wanking.
>>221273687are you retarded?
>>221273691
RIP MATT SMITH1982 - 2026"I will always remember when the Doctor was me."Fucking hell
>>221273708Bit mean.
>>221261023Which Doctor has the?>>221261049Spoane like a load of Bollocano! MAGUIVEs
>>221273810Fuckofferino.
>>221273799
Ed Balls
where is puj
>>221273227t. Binge
>>221273227>/who/ was good when it was all tripfags calling anyone who criticized the show a boardie>now that people actually discuss the show here it is badWhat exactly causes this mental illness?
Smith announcement 7pm>>221273833I am so excited!
Currently watching the Tennant specials.Haven't seen The Waters Of Mars since it came out. It's fucking great. This is what they took from us.
>>221274017The Giggle is even more kino.
>>221273937your an idiot
>>221274017you are probably just shitposting but I thought he had a real uptick in quality s4 onwards once they stopped shoving love interests at him
>>221274413>uptickFuck off pebbitor
>>221274434what I can't say uptick? Why the fuck not? You're not the fucking king faggot
>>221274455Very well worded and intellectual response. Entirely worthy of a well-measured reply.Retard.
>>221261510Captain Jack was pan-sexual, which is a bit of a make up concept, but if you are screwing aliens hen screwing human males doesn't seem so far fetched anymore. I'd hardly call a pan-sexual "lgbt" because it encompasses being straight, but more. He isn't gay, he is just horny."Any hole is a goal" is the expression. That doesn' strike me as part of the lgblt. The person still goes through life as a straight man. A gay person doesn't relate to him simply because they too like men.To put it another way, th Doctor accepted a kiss from him, not because the Doctor and Jack was bi, but rather because th Doctor was an alien and Jack was an alienosexual. There was nothing human about that relationship.Sometimes I get the feeling that people don't even understand that the Doctor might not even necessarily be male. He looks like a male human, but he is not human. You aren't supposed to think he fits into human categories. Jack is a human but he has been in space for so long that he lost something fundamental to humanity and became an xenosexualThis is vastly different than just "LGBT humans". Such people are simply not interesting from a story perspective in a show about aliens. What the LGBT don't seem to get is that they are boring. We know what you are. We just don't care. We think of you as a nuisance a best.
>>221274623>the Doctor might not even necessarily be male. He looks like a male human, but he is not human. You aren't supposed to think he fits into human categories.holy pseud
How does Wilt call Donna while he's inside a radiation shield?
>>221275083Typical RTD bollocano. Andies!
>>221275083because its the companion phone that can call anywhere in time and space. established in s3
>>221275172nur nur nur
>>221261023I miss him like you wouldn´t believe. He was fantastic
>>221273937>clique of gay retards think they have dominion over the discussion of a (formerly) popular TV show for some reasonI'm glad they're gone.Hurr hurr "Asher". Hurr hurr "Nilso". Funniest guys around...
>>221275172>established in s3s1
>>221275272TV? What does that mean?
>>221262889If you've watched his new show it very much paints him out to be lol
>>221275308I'm gonna kiss your dog
>>221275172Winston called him too.
>>221275272Hur hur hur
Why does an episode that takes place in Africa take place in a barber shop?
>>221261049You seem upset
>>221275403Does Africa not have barber shops?
>>221275648whitey stole them
We really trying to meme Doctor deaths into reality to keep the threads alive?
>>221275807Watch Tom baker outlive Shooty Gatawa, somehow.
>>221275403watching that episode like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtJUOlZAmU&t=12entire thing made no fucking sense
Christ, somebody prune this horrible thread.
>I would call you a genius except i'm in the room
>>221274623>if you are screwing aliens hen screwing human males doesn't seem so far fetched anymoreNot if you're still only screwing girl aliens.
Riddle me this, /who/If you're solely fucking girl aliens, but the sexual dimorphism of those species makes girls have sexual characteristics roughly analogous to MALE humans are you gay?
>>221277860Yes. Fucking a "girl" who looks exactly like a male but with a vagina is gay as fuck.
>>221277884>putting your biologically male penis in a biologically female vagina is gay
>>221277905Okay lets just follow the hypothetical. So you're in the bedroom with this alien from the planet Fag IV. It looks exactly like John Cena in physical appearance, except with a vagina. You engage in a deep kiss with notCena, pressing yourself against his 6 pack while nutting. You're gay. You're a gay person. I don't care if it was penis in vagina its still fucking GAY
>>221261211They genuinely don't notice the difference in writing quality of Jack Harness Vs Rogue.
>>221278118How do you know Rogue wasn't into females too?
>>221261049i wouldn't even say it's that, RTD2 has entirely been Rusty getting back at all the nasty straight white male homophobic DW fans who wouldn't let him make the Doctor a gay fag who fucks and sucks and eats ass and swallows cum the first time around by having this petty 'march through the institution' of DW by making every conceivable element of the show a non-stop HR mandated pride parade. i would watch a season of the show with all gay characters if it wasn't retarded and entirely rooted in spite and being mean spirited towards all the fans of the last 50 years of the show.>>221261737because 'queerness' is only fun to people like that when it's perceived as punk or counterculture, it's hard for 'queerness' to be challenging or punk when it's quite literally the status quo. it's only fun shipping the Doctor with the Master when he's blatantly heterosexual/asexual and there are straight DW fans to annoy, but they all quite watching a decade ago if they were smart.
>>221262889it's funny how when a 30-50 year old man dates a 18-24 year old woman it's pedophilia and goroming but when it's a 18-24 year old boy (not man, as they would prefer to call him boy) it's totally fine>>221270102i actually liked the acting of the Fugitive Doctor. she would have been miles ahead of Jodie, Gay David Tennant Cashing Disney's Check or Shooty.>>221270566it was consistently good when it needed to be even if it has stinkers like Dobby Doctor and Fear Her.>>221275403because black people invented barber shops, barber shops are the nexus of black culture. no one cut hair for money before black people did.
>>221278172>because 'queerness' is only fun to people like that when it's perceived as punk or counterculture, it's hard for 'queerness' to be challenging or punk when it's quite literally the status quo. it's only fun shipping the Doctor with the Master when he's blatantly heterosexual/asexual and there are straight DW fans to annoy, but they all quite watching a decade ago if they were smart.The dog caught the car.I read a theory once that gay culture is actually pretty much identical to early Christian culture, as in it's all really just a persecution cult. They get off on being persecuted. The meek shall inherit the Earth.
>>221278338The fugitive Doctor was memoryholed because she was actually a capable actress who played the role well. She was supposed to just be a one note negress to annoy white male viewers.
>>221278338Last of the Time Lords is kino.
>>221278391All these deaths mean nothing when the character doesn't actually die for good.
>>221278391you only think that because you're a fag
I like the episode where the Fugitive Doctor walks into the room, announces her presence, and then every Dalek and Cyberman in the room dies.
>>221278343that's probably more because it's how gays assimilated to American Christian identity which championed the meek, the little guy, the victim and turned it into power. from David and Goliath to the American Revolution. all of the foundational myths of America use this framing.
>>221278338>consistently good when it neededit was consistently shite
>>221278446Nuwho > classic who
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQDajPV1q2MBabes > Allonsy > Brilliant
>>221278391easily the strongest multi-part episode in nu who
The strongest 3 episodes in a row are Face the Raven, Heaven Sent, then Hell Bent.
>>221278851Yea look chief you might be right, i couldn't make it through season 8 either time I tried so I'll never know
>Face the RavenShite>Heaven Sent Kino>Hell Bent Shitein comparison>UtopiaKino>Sound of the DrumsGreat>Last of the TimelordsShite
>>221278892Hell Bent is not shite.
>every showrunner is shit>every showrunner adds some absolute bullshit deux ex machina series ending that destroys some part of the decades old lore so the showrunner's vanity can be set in stone forever>equally almost every standalone story is good>in the few cases they're not it doesn't matter because next week will be another episodeseems to me that the obvious solution to this problem is just to run doctor who as an anthology series where every episode is a standalone storywhy has this never been proposed before
>>221275297and also s3. tard
>>221277590that was the 10th doctor who said that and that isn't the 10th doctor and it's not even the doctor. you lose boychick you lose
>>221278892face the raven is good. not great but good.
why did Moffat write four separate stories where a character has magical see-through clothing?
>>221275272Howdy.
>>221279179name them.
>>221279227i don't know the names off the top of my head, but- the Children in Need special where Dr Who auctions his clothes, he is then naked wearing holo-clothes that malfunction (tee-hee)- the Church of the Silence where they wear holo-clothes but the Church members can see through them (we can't)- Strax using some X-ray medical device on Clara where he can see her naked (we can't)- the 'Dark Water' thing where the one dude suggests using them in swimming pools so he can see through clothesit's not just nudity = sexy, it's something about the one-way X-ray vision aspect of it.you fuckers claimed EVERYTHING was a fetish during series 5, everything from Amy being inoculated to Amy being covered in space whale vomit. but i think this one is an actual bona-fide fetish.
>>2212793881: not an episode, no one cares2: ok3: hardly counts, it's just a random gag about using x-rays or whatever4: well ok but again it's just one weird gag>you fuckersNo one in these threads was here during Series 5. /who/ didn't even exist then.
Ah. Yes, greenis, that would be it. Thank you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_cwI1Xj4M&t=43s
>>221261049First go baclk second what were you expecting
FUCK.OFF.
>>221261023I liked this hammy nigga on the first season and they replaced him with a pretty boy because women audience I guess
>>221279504Fuckin zoomer fuck OFF.
>>221279523He quit because the producers treated him like shit
>>221279426>No one in these threads was here during Series 5. /who/ didn't even exist then.i was, you liar. the site as a whole shifted to 'generals' but i suppose that's not too far off e.g. Something Awful's 'megathreads'.but yeah i take your point, i just hope you can see where i'm coming from where all four examples have some weird one-way voyeurism 'naked under these clothes!' thing to it. normally i don't buy into anons saying>it's the writer's fetish!but in this case, i think it actually is.also i'll follow up this with a request if you were here in the Green Oval days, because there are some images i want (nay, need) back in my life.
>>221279495t=43s?Watched it loads. Extras > Doctor Who after all.
>>221279551/who/ was created in 2013 during the 50th, retard.Anyway: yeah it sort of is, I think Moffat would totally admit it, after all, nakedness and sexiness are often intertwined, quite literally half the time.No idea about the oval thank god.
>>221279573i just mean the programme threads in general. like where there /lst/ - LOST Generals? i just remember posting in the Lost threads. don't give a shit what they were called, i was more of an /x/phile back in the late 2000s/early 2010s.but i am /r/ing these GIFs, once again. i remember them being posted over and over but i think it was just the one guy. i think he put them together from the black-and-white newspaper versions of the Give-A-Show toy slideshow things, or something. i'm sure some oddball will know.i have one of them. a few weeks ago, someone posted another. but this diamonds one is the one i want ;_;
For gods sake if you're going to try to ruin threads why would you do it in such an easily filtered way? Even our schizos are terrible. Jesus christ
>>221279646everything you said - i don't care. sorry but it's true man. hope u do well tho
>>221279681You come up with something then! Me and the gang are working tirelessly, day after day, trying our best to come up with the meanest, funniest, most repetitive possible memes. We whisper ideas around our heads and when I like what I hear, in comes the dynamite!
>>221279714thanks pal. hope you have a good day.>>221279681perhaps it's a metatextual commentary on the state of the programme itself.besides, what else is there? we might get some comfy threads during the next hiatus, remembering the great stories and good old days, (re)discovering new novels and Big Finish audios together.all that's really left is to just marvel at the clusterfuck this programme turned into. e.g. normally i wouldn't care about a writer's personal life, just their work, but RTD is such a strange character nowadays. 'we can't have a guy with crippled legs be in a wheelchair, that's problematic', now THAT'S schizo logic.(some people get really angry about that type of thing, i just find it funny tbdesu.)
>>221279573>/who/ was created in 2013 during the 50th,The first Doctor Who general was in 2010 while Series 5 was airing.https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/9035732/#9035732
>>221279839>all the anons saying how much of a breath of fresh air Smith was after Tennant lol
>>221279879They're right though.
>>221261049You're a fucking idiot if you expected anything else.
>>221279897They are. But fast forward about 5 or 6 years and they'd act the opposite.
>>221279839>100% medically accuratecor, i JUST used that same meme in another post: >>221279718besides, when did full /tv/ archives even start? was it not IN 2010? Green-Oval was after the /a/ and /jp/ ones (Easymodo, Warosu, forgot the name of the one before that). hot take: archives ruined 4chan, and the developer actually agreed with me on this. ephemerality > permanence tbqh fr fr.now can someone PLEASE tell me they still have this comic about Steve the Silent???
>>221279898*Your
Is Series 10 any good? I watched it when it was coming out but I don't remember much, and whenever I think of it, all that comes to mind is "history's a whitewash."
>>221279950Yes, earliest archive is 2010. Ok there might have been some "Doctor Who general" threads, sure, but proper "/who/" did start in 2013.source: I am the world's leading expert on /who/ (not even kidding, fuck my life)
>>221279964One of the top 3 best series because Capaldi is the Doctor.
>>221279964I like it most of Capaldick's series but most people disagree. Most people are idiots.
>>221279964it's middling. Moffat was trying to gain the approval of Superwholock feminists who hated him no matter what he did and was getting really woke. his mother was dying and he took on too much at once so a lot of stories suffer. Capaldi injured himself on set and he's giving it his all but you can tell in some parts he's absolutely exhausted not just from the injury but the intensity of the role and the promotional schedule wearing down on him for three seasons. Bill is especially frustrating because when she's just allowd to be a character she has great chemistry with 12, the closest we've gotten to a 1/Susan or 1/Vicky kind of dynamic in decades. but then Moffat has to make sure to remind you she's black!!! and a lesbian!!! see he's super progressive look how blackly she lesbians!!!!
>>221280054She never reminded you she was black though, and when did Capaldi injure himself on set?
>>221279879>>221279897>>221279927we thought he'd be our lord and saviour. because he'd written some good episodes.and to be fair i liked the whole fairytale thing, the production design got a lot better, and the overarching plotline of series 5 was neat. like there were little clues (the shadow in 'The Eleventh Hour', the different shirt and 'i'm figuring it out' in 'Flesh and Stone').>>221279989i trust your knowledge of the lore. and as much as i say i prefer ephemerality (just as a format for a message board, plus it encourages lurking) i regret not hoarding shit more.we've had some surprisingly good OC over the years, but we all just saw it and moved on with our lives. so much has been lost.
>>221280081Got that heel injury thing from stopping suddenly on the spot, so did Smith and Tennant I think.
>>221280082>the shadow in 'The Eleventh Hour'What's that supposed to mean?/who/ will never recapture its former "glory" (2014 - 2017)
>>221280081>She never reminded you she was black thoughthe entirety of Thin Ice is about how white people are privileged because they can time travel anywhere they want and black people can't because of slavery so you should feel guilty if you're a white male who has fun time travel fantasies.
>>221280132it isn't lol>no it is because look at this line!It's about a big snake in the Thames>no anon that's just for kids this is the real messageFuck off.
>>221279839>people had already figured out the 2 doctors thing in the angels episodeDamn must've been fun to be a fan in those times. fucks sake im born too late for anything good
>>221280082He was our lord and saviour.
>>221280269RTD was, yes.
>>221280158>It's about a big snake in the Thameshistory's a snakewash
>>221280280I can see how you would agree, if you are trans.
>>221280093are actors just little bitches or what? its really not that much running
>>221280093A problem Jodi never encountered. Tendons of steel. Glorious high arches. Feet that would make Isambard Kingdom Brunel weep.
>>221269969>Vincent and the Doctor>no revival Human Nature or Eccelston
>>221280311Smith already had a sports injury and Capaldi was in his 50s
>>221280175It was a fun time to be a fan as a yank>we had an awesome late spring/early summer here>speculatan about where the story arc was going and what all the hints meant>callan Smith a foot>postan Amy as a kite
>>221280216should we start a Partridge general instead?
>>221280123>What's that supposed to mean?cba to go through some screencap site or iPlayer, but as it's transitioning from young Amy packing her things to the modern day, you see a shadowy figure walk past the camera and a little music sting plays. the /tv/ Doctor Who General correctly predicted that was Dr Who going back in time to mess with events. same for 'Flesh and Stone' because Dr Who comforts Amy while she's (conveniently) blind and he's suddenly not wearing his jacket.i still maintain this little moment in 'The Lodger' was Amy seeing a Silent. i know that sounds like fan theory wank, but it's an episode all about some mystery group building a TARDIS.she looks scared off-screen at something, a music sting plays, she shakes her head like she's forgotten something. you could argue she's just responding to the discussion in the phone call, but the fact that>some mystery force is trying to build a TARDISalone was never followed up, that is strange to me. so fuck you, it's the Silence, one got into the TARDIS.
>>221273227Wilderness Years 2 will be peak /who/, just you wait.
>>221280349This is actually confirmed. The exact same pseudo-TARDIS set is used by the Silence in their s6 two parter debut
>>221274017The only good 2009 special but it was really good
>>221274623https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mk3JXFadEg
>>221280532>Srries 5 finale has Cybermen, Daleks, Sontarans and Weeping Angels>S6 has no Cybermen>S7 has no Cybermen>S8 has The Master>S9 has no Cybermen>S10 has CybermenHE LIED!
>>221280082Series 5 was very good on the whole, and the new direction was very appreciated. The show looked better than it did under Russel. it was probably written a little better. The acting was a little better. I don't have regrets about hyping series 5 at all, even if Moffat has a tendency to be Moffat and go too far with certain ideas.Series 6 also was very strong on the whole, though the River Song arc was starting to not work at this point.7 was when Moffat started to seem tired, and maybe when he should have started to have considered leaving. The whole event of the 50th and Smith's regeneration episode were well pulled off, I guess.The whole Capaldi era is just all over the place. I don't know how much that was him, and how much that was the BBC and the fans getting in his face. That was around when people at the BBC started to understand what social media was.
>>221280569If only his actor did this in real life.
Dr Who gets picked up again by a promising writer and production company. The next Doctor is announced. It's a darkie, or a woman. Do you still tune in?
>>221280682no because it shows they didn't learn their lesson and it's purely about "proving the trolls wrong" again instead of just producing quality stories
>>221280620Series 7 had a lot of non-Moffat episodes (usually the obligatory Gattiss outings) feel like they rush the endings. This would carry through 8, 9, and 10 as well.
>>221280532well, that was only half a lie. They're in it, but almost in a cameo sense.
>>221280682nah. They're going to have to win me back at this point. I'm way past the benefit of the doubt phase.
>>221280682If it's Paterson Joseph or Colin Salmon then yes.
Some scenes in this new era made me go :O
>>221280931I like the scene where the Indian woman got eaten by a massive skeleton head.
>>221280569This has a Wikipedia page now, for some reasonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harkness_Test
>>221280682The Doctor cannot be a woman. It is a MALE archetype.
>>221280977
>>221280978they'll go out of their way to pettily delete entries for notable people like Chris Chan but fight tooth and nail to keep shit like this up
>>221281005yes male and british so also has to be anglo saxon or celtic. i am still interested to survey what people think
>>221281027The Doctor doesn't have to be British.
>>221281072wrong
>>221281072*Raises eyebrow like "we aint doin this shit again, sister..."
>>221281095Eric Roberts is a kino Master.
>>221281072pls kys
>>221281139Nu-uh
>>221281016I find it funny how Chris Chan actually has several Wikipedia articles on other language Wikipedias including the French and German ones but the English Wikipedia stubbornly refuses to acknowledge him to the point of even refusing to name him on the KF article.
>>221280931ew what is that brown spot in her eye ball
must've been difficult for the actors filming day of the doctor. pretending they know or give a shit about their predecessors and having to feign on screen adoration for the weirdo fans
>>221281184She has some noticeable veins in her eyes
She LOVES white boys
>>221281272*sigh* alright bro ill jerk off one more time
>>221281272Is this real?
>>221281072I'd be comfortable keeping it in the Commonwealth, actually. Just make the whole thing Australian like Channel 4 daytime.
>>221281420
the doctor should always have a british accentdoesn't matter if it's scottish, rp, lots of planet have a north, or even something like welsh or cornish, but american/canadian (same thing) or australian would ruin the show
the next doctor should be a muppet
i just dont get how anyone can like that fairytale convoluted girlboss crap that is moffat
>>221261023Henloooio strelok
i just dont get how anyone can like that soap opera crap that is rtd
>>221278343>The meek shall inherit the EarthThat's a mistranslation. It should be something like>the HEROES shall inherit the EarthMeaning guys who have great power but use it only for good.
>>221285017yeah ive always thought πραότης would be better translated as humbleancient greek texts frequently called basileis (kings) πραότης to their subjects, which doesn't really make sense when translated as meek
>/who/ became a bible study generalThis is what RTD2 has reduced us to...
Why is /who/ so dead?
>>221286139Because the show is dead, and unlikely to ever come back.
>>221286139because the IP is deadmuch like the Trek fans, it's time to move on
>>221286213Why wouldn't it come back?
>>221286257Because nobody wants to pay to produce it. The Disney partnership is over, and BBC isn't going to greenlight a new season.
>nobody wants the failed multi-million dollar IPutter mong takeamazon bought bond years ago and have done fuck all with it, doctor who will be seized soon enough
>>221286532On the plus side, the BBC already made it gay and lame and negrefied so there's not much new progressive ground for Amazon to break if they want to ruin this IP like they ruin everything else they touch. I guess they could cast a fat trans woman paraplegic with vitiligo as the Doctor, but smearing shit on the brand isn't as shocking when it's already in the sewer.
I think Doctor Who might legitimately be dead.The BBC want to retain the merchandising rights (they did with disney, which is why you don't see mickey/cape shit/simpsons crossover merch) but that's the one thing Doctor Who still has to offer that actually makes money.No corporation is going to bid for Doctor Who if they can't sell dalek plushies.
>>221287158And the only Doctor Who merch that sells is generic imagery like the TARDIS or Daleks, which isn't specific to any era and is already engrained in pop culture.
>>221287158You know I can totally picture some fat retard in the USA buying dr who, printing gatwa figurines and being shocked when they don't sell
>>221288984I want my heart beating inside Jodie if you know what I mean
>>221289577>if you know what I meanthat you wish you were her son so you could perform unspeakable acts of incest?
>Why did they make him old and mean? I don't who that is, but it's not The Doctor. I miss my sweet boyfriend Matt Smith
Hi /who/ just popping in to let you know that I'm a lesbain and means that I like girls
watching gensis of the daleks, any reason why boomers felt it necessary to make skaro into the least subtle nazi germany analogy ever seen on telly?
>>221290340The Daleks have always been Nazi stand ins. They literally drive around doing a Nazi Salute
>nazis are bad>to emphasize this fact let's make them ugly racially inferior mutants
We need a Cybermen episode where they co-opt the trans movement and convince people to convert themselves. The Doctor has to try and save the day while being called transphobic by a confused general public
Always wanted a good AAA Doctor Who game.
>>221269969The Classic Who portion needs Inferno
Whats the liklihood that the BBC actually gets their act together and allows good Doctor Who to be made again? Them cancelling RTDs xmas special after reading the script is at least an encouraging sign
>the satan pitgoddamn that was the most kino episode
>>221261211This is a point I've been making for a while now. Yes Jack was a homo and constantly went on about it but it wasn't his sole identity. I think they were smart to make him "omni"sexual or whatever it was and showed him flirting with both men and women and aliens so that straight viewers didn't feel left out. Jack being queer wasn't 100% of his identity, it was like...44% of it. Same with Rose and Mickey being an interracial couple, it wasn't made a big deal of, which is what surprised *me* the most being an American, that it was considered so normal that no one even brought it up, it wasn't a talking point among my friends or anyone I talked to online about it, even here in /who/.Inclusivity is one thing, that's fine and hell it's even important but making these issues the focal point so often and basically pointing a finger at your fan base saying "Deal with it or you're racist/homophobic/trannyphobic/mysoginist" is basically the self destruct sequence of any fandom nowadays.
>>221290340since you seemed to have missed the super subtle metaphor, daleks are fascism and cybermen are communism
>>221279989QRD on Jordan Burling?
>gigantic fucking trex in the middle of london>no organised response>no response at all. no military no police nothing>it just roams around all day and night while clara sits at the doctor's bedsideWhy were capaldi seasons so poorly written and why do pseuds praise them so much?"
>>221282519where do you stand on NI
>>221290765>why do pseuds praise them so much?"They got hypnotised from the big flowery Moffat Speeches that Capaldi gave during his run.
>>221290765In Victorian London?
Oh my god now some clockwork robot is murdering a guy in the middle of the street that the establishing shot and audio showed was full of people. This shit is beyond retarded, I can't continue, this is why I always bounce off Capaldi's era. I didn't even make it to the robin hood garbage this time
>>221290816As a NI man, I don't think I could take the Doctor with a Belfast accent seriously.
>>221290860You think they didn't have a military, or police, or weapons in victorian london? If anything the beast would get put down quicker than modern days because there wouldn't be some mentally incompetent bleeding heart faggots demanding the preservation of its life
>>221261510For me, it's when they try and claim the show was totally always like this from the very first episode.I can't remember the bit in An Unearthly Child where William Hartnell turned to the camera and talked about the supreme importance of sexual and gender-based identity politics. Maybe they took that out after Kennedy was shot.
Trenzalore... Whatever happened there?
>>221261510>this man thinks no women watched Doctor Who for John Barrowman
>>221291311>erm actchually women...Women aren't the audience. Ten year old boys are.
>>221291344Ten year old boys got mommas ain't they?I was 11 in 2005, and my mother and all her friends wanted to fuck Barrowman and watched for he.
>>221291357Someone's mother who half watches the show whenever an attractive man is on screen is not a fan. I don't know why we entertain this. It's a piece of escapist fantasy about a space adventurer. It's not about all of this other stuff. It's not about "shipping".
>>221291357No they watched it for (You) and if you lost interest they wouldn't have kept watching. They didn't give a shit either wayIt's crazy how simple the situation is but people are constantly trying to complicate it and pretending dr who has wide demographic penetration
>>221289577Either you greatly misunderstand which parts go into which holes during sex or I don't know what you mean
>>221291290There was supposed to be a whole season set on Trenzalore but because Matt Smith decided to leave they had to wrap it all up in one episode
>>221291344It was a family show.
>>221286318even if they did greenlight it, it would just be more of the same, doubling down to prove the evil sexist racist homophibc transphobic trolls WRONG>>221286532because the BBC and wokies spend the last decade plus destroying it. Bond wasn't a raped franchise that had a decade of intentional pissing off of the fans to try to "decolonize" it, they only managed to start trying to do that with Craig's last movie and no one saw it anyway>>221290340WWII happened in their backyard, literally, Brits are a little more sensitive about it. at least it's a succinct and sound metaphor, you think that's bad wait until McCoy's last season where every other episode the bad guys are "[aliens]+neo nazis" for no reason other than all the lib writers being mad that Thatcher had support so everyone who supports the conservative PM is a nahtzee>>221290386that's the point, their discrimination makes them powerful on the surface (Dalek armor is strong) but inside their hate makes them weak, they're nothing without the "armor" of their ideology. ironically of course this describes leftists more than the far right in this day and age, yet another reason why no one wants this show
>>221292118The Simpsons is a family show. DW is an adolescent boy's show(also for immature adults who were formerly adolescent boys). They always made up the vast majority of the dedicated fans. We're going to have to start admitting it at some point.DW is Star Trek, is Star Wars, is Mass Effect, is Warhammer 40K, is 2000AD comics. There's an absolute overlap between those fanbases.The producers of DW are currently confused because they think they're making Euphoria or Rocky Horror Picture Show, and no one is showing up. You alienated the audience, stupid.
>>221292188>they only managed to start trying to do that with Craig's last movie and no one saw it anywayNigga please. Craig's first Bond movie had him be literally castrated and that was 20 years ago. If anything Bond was the first IP to be subverted.
>>221292311Wut? I don't remember that part of casino royale
>>221290451i don't think AAA would serve it well, something more quaint and AA would be good. you can't do weird things in AAA and i think a DW game needs to be unconventional in some way to work. it's why RTD2 looks like generic dogshit because it's just using the same effects every other TV show is using versus the older episodes that had a very unique look that set it apart from all the other dramas or sci-fi on TV at the time.>>221290519never. it's public money. the wokies have no one to answer to, no matter how gay and retarded they make something there's no bottom line to report to. you would need to change the British government to stop trying to pretend mass immigration works and admit that globalism is a failed experiment (and was only done for the benefit of the 1% anyway). there is no universe where that happens in our lifetime. the BBC doesn't need DW to be good to keep the lights on.>>221292311because as we all know woke was very prominent in the year *checks notes* 2006oh wait.......
>>221292311that's out the book thoBond books are like really kinky and sexually weird, if you've never read one.
>>221292343We had this conversation a few threads ago, but I really like the idea of a modern cinematic adventure game in the vein of Until Dawn or one of the Telltale games, with an entirely original Doctor, who they can then build up as a new character instead of having to stick to the characterisation of any established Doctor. If we're not getting another TV era for a while (or at least not a good one), it might be something of an oasis in the desert.
>>221292343Underage zoomer detected. Woke has always existed in some shape or form and it most certainly existed in 2006. For instance, all the Not All Muslims / Religion of Peace crap which goes all the way back to 9/11.
>>221292401that was kind of my thought too, my idea was something between Until Dawn with the stealth mechanics of Splinter Cell and Metal Gear or something with the focus on using gadgets and the environment to disable/evade enemies and not focusing on combat. stealth games without big flashy set pieces or combat sections aren't terribly complex or expensive to produce, so it could still have gameplay, puzzles, areas to walk around it but the story/setpieces would be confined to those scripted Until Dawn type sections.although my idea was focusing on a series of multi-Doctor stories to mix up companions and Doctors and villains. like the 12th Doctor with Martha Jones facing off against the Pertwee-era Master or something. or the Second Doctor and Donna Noble contending with the gods of Ragnarok or w/e from greatest show in the universe.>>221292502that's not woke lil zoom zoom and it has nothing to do with Casino Royale, you look really retarded now just be quiet and let the adults talk
>>221292502if I was being very autistic about this I could make the point that "woke" is a slightly different beast to old school political correctness.Craig and even Brosnan were certainly politically correct reinventions of Bond. He wasn't slapping women around anymore.But he wasn't "woke", because there wasn't this underlying implication that him being a heterosexual white man at all was some kind of problem.
>>221292528Fucking hell you're unbearable. Just shut the fuck up and fuck the fuck off.
>>221293073i accept your concession :) next time don't pretend to be older than 20, use words you don't understand or talk about historical events/pieces of media you don't know anything about. hope this helps champ!
>>221293022attitudes about muslims after 9/11 don't have anything to do with Craig Bond. it's because Austin Powers parodied Bond so much they had to get rid of all the goofy stuff and make him all grimdark and edgy and serious because all media was trending that way due to the Iraq War. (which again is not specifically about muslims or social issues, EVERYTHING skewed darker after 9/11 and the Iraq War)a woke Bond would be like the new game where he is literally the only white man on the team and his entire support staff is some brand of black/brown/mystery meat and skews female because they desperately did not want to make another game with a white male lead but had no choice. and also where they blatantly don't appeal to the male gaze at all and all the "bomb shell" women are basically a self-insert for all the mid frumpy 30-something women publishers are desperate to get playing more games.but this little zoom zoom was probably not even born when Casino Royale came out and doesn't actually understand what "woke" is as it applies to media discussions like this
dugga doo
>>221293073no one likes you
>>221290816NI? What does that mean?
>>221292502Not all muslims are bad people though.
>>221294018Yes, they are. The good ones leave the religion.
>>221294152Islamophobia is bad.
>>221294183You know what's worse? Getting your head chopped off by a machete wielding mob once they reach critical mass and decide to take over and implement sharia law. It's happened a billion times across a billion fucking countries but hey I'm sure this time will be different XDD
>>221294183pretty normal to be afraid of murder cults.
>>221294207Most of them don't do that now.
>>221294211Not a cult if there's millions of people in it.
>>221294275>>221294252normalfag cattle are always even more stupid than you think lads. remember this
