Throwing the thing on the ground and it slpoding didn't rly make sense

Honestly I think the show was pretty consistently great until season 5. Five feel so out of place. It just pulls all kinds of contrived bullshit. It's been a minute since I've did a watch-through, so forgive me if I'm missing some details, but-

1.) I don't see Jesse getting back into the game for anything. After Gus is dead, and the shit he's been through, I'd see him taking his money as a life lesson and getting the fuck out. He really should have had his arc and stayed out, setting up potential issues with Walt distrusting him since he's out of the game.

2.) Mike would not continue working with Walt. I think he'd just high-tail it out of the country if the laptop plot point remained. He got a substantial amount of money for his granddaughter, if I remember. Should have had him tell Walt to go fuck himself, but Walt just kills him as a loose end.

3.) The nazis. You don't introduce an entirely new antagonist like this. Especially one so comically evil and stupid. Hank and the DEA should be the antagonist for this season, and Walt is the antagonist to Jessie.

I don't know how I'd completely wrap it up, but I'm sure there's a less contrived way. I just overall didn't care for it. It had its moments, but season 4 was just a superior ending.

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I still have no fucking idea why Vince felt this was necessary to progress the sequence of events. If Walt doesn't notice the missing piece, he still goes down to try and parlay with Krazy 8, and it ends in a fight with the latter dying.
What the literal fuck was the point of this dumbass scene?

>>221291494
Is this some troll copypasta or something? He had been convinced to let him go. Had he unlocked the bike lock, Krazy 8 would have no doubt killed him. It forces Walt to go through with the killing. It eliminates all possibility of a successful parlay. The scene let's us see Walt when faced with no choice but to kill in (mostly) cold blood.

>>221291409
>>221291535
How did he not destroy his eardrums with that explosion?

>>221291566
The scene is pretty retarded from a realism standpoint, but the rule of cool wins out over it. It's one of those scenes where you know it's bullshit, but it let's Walt's smarts win against the bad guy.

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>>221291391
>what's the biggest "jump the shark" moment in breaking bad for you?

I don't think it ever jumps the shark; but the Neo Nazis were lame villains compared to the cartel and Gus.

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Bon-bon-bon-bon-Bonfire!

>>221291391
When Todd shoots the kid, and Walt doesn't really care.

>>221291494
post the dexter version instead of baiting

>>221291566
I’m more confused about everyone around him being fucked up and dazed, yet he throws it at his feet and completely no sells it

>>221291492
I agree wholeheartedly with the first two. Keeping them in the game in season 5, especially Mike happily continuing to work with Walt is massively out of character.

I actually don't the mind the nazis as much. I think they simply represent the pure unbridled chaos of the criminal world that Walt had got himself into. The point of them was that the criminal world is full of psychopaths who can fuck your shit up at any second on a whim. They represented Walt's continued descent into his lack of ability to control what he got into. They aren't "villains", they're simply a natural consequence of Walt's actions.

>>221291601
From the standpoint of general principle and scope yes but if you're over Gus' (gay, literally canonically homosexual and arguably) Chilean terminator supervillain shit Jack is way cooler and more interesting.

>>221291608
One thing that pisses me off in general is they do the sopranos thing where Tony becomes more despicably evil as the show goes along but you can see it building for many seasons over many years, in breaking bad he just abruptly becomes evil out of nowhere by the last season, it’s such a jarring tone shift.

>>221291657
Anon, he becomes the one who knocks, Dont be so daft.

>>221291646
It's not a bad point, though I think I'd would definitely retool them. They are too cliched and don't feel natural. I also don't see them continuing a meth operation with 80 million dollars. But in general, I just don't think I like them. I wanted my DEA showdown.

>>221291492
>Especially one so comically evil and stupid
They're shown to be evil and stupid mainly through Jack's mulleted main side guy with the young mustache. Through the lens that mainly surrounds Uncle Jack and what they do in general they're capable, intelligent, and even have a sense of honor/rules. It's weird how the NEO NAZI GANG while easy and probably 99.9% correct to view through the "NEO NAZI GANG ON A TELEVISION SHOW, YOU KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT" oy vey goggles, to me anyway they made them surprisingly reasonable and likable. Like the scenes they do throw in, especially later in El Camino, they feel very typical television cartoon nazi evil but almost like they insist upon themselves, like someone writing the show wanted to make a multi-faceted white brotherhood depiction but couldn't. You have Jack making comments on savages and clean kills and leaving Walt 11 million and other little moments. Jack's downfall is literally his pride in his honor and principles surrounding his criminality, Walt's downfall is also pretty universally his pride.

>>221291536
>Had he unlocked the bike lock, Krazy 8 would have no doubt killed him
It's fiction, not a fucking historical account. You can just write in logical (rather than coincidental) reasoning for Walt's survival, I.E. Krazy 8 is dehydrated and weak, or Walt uses the gun.
The noticing of the plate, or if nothing elss the bringing of the audience's attention to it, is gay as hell.
The plate could not exist at all and the scene plays out the same.

>>221291492
>Hank and the DEA should be the antagonist for this season
That’s what I had been saying since the beginning and felt crazy that the majority of people think the contrived big bad Nazis were a good idea.
>b-buh then we wouldn’t have gotten Todd or El Camino
Who fucking cares man, having an autistic gay psychopath that rapes Jessie repeatedly was too fucking weird for this show anyway

>>221291733
But it wouldn't play out the same. If Walt doesn't know about the plate shard, this is how it would go down.

>Walt releases the lock
>Krazy 8 says thanks, makes some lighthearted small talk
>Krazy 8: "Could I have another one of those sandwhiches before I head out?"
>Walt laughs and says yeah let's go upstairs
>Krazy 8 pulls out the shard and rams it into his back

It's unlikely he would immediately pull the shard out until he knew he had a complete drop on Walt. Use your brain.

>>221291763
Also to add to this, Walt needed to be the one to initiate the murder. Not a self defense. We needed to see Walt go through with the decision to kill a man who can't defend himself. Sure, 8 pulls out the shard and is still somewhat a threat, but ultimately he didn't stand a chance. If you have it a 1v1, it becomes a self defense instead of a conscious decision to kill a man in cold blood.

>everyone is just fine after being caught point blank in an explosion that rips an ac unit off a building

>>221291733
no, the plate is a great reveal and subversion and is much more exciting dramatically
because when he goes back into the basement it's right after we've witnessed him being broken of naivety and a virginity and forced to cross a threshold
he is PLEADING with god, the universe, krazy-8, whoever for the plate to be complete, that it's some mistake
when he opens the door to the basement he goes back down with a completely different view of what's necessary and what he has to become capable of because of the choices he made

>Walt uses the gun
already established in the show to be too loud to be used in this quiet suburban environment
also the gun in a heated tense scuffle moment is less personal and grim in its execution and use, Walt isn't throwing out a dead mouse in a trap he's holding the trap hinge down on a mouse's neck until it stops moving. It HAS to be something he does and does viscerally.

>>221291716
this. gilligan is not a good writer, particularly he sucks at writing normal humans, so ironically by wanting to leave the nazi gang as pure villains and avoiding to 'humanize' them, he accidentally made them the most likable and normal set of characters (except for todd of course)

>>221291733
Let me explain out why this is scene is better the way it is.

1. After a heartfelt conversation about their lives, Krazy 8 convinces Walt *and the audience* to let him go.

2. When Walt finds the missing piece, we feel what Walt feels. A complete gut punch. All that buddy talk meant jack shit. Now he has to go through with the original plan: Killing a man that is a threat when he can't truly defend himself. It's a completely different thing to kill a person who is unrestrained and actively trying to kill you versus strangling a person that can do nothing more than stab your leg.

Walt needed to kill in cold blood for his character, but the writers decided to give us a fake out. It shows how clever and manipulative Krazy 8 is. And it also show's us Walt getting the stomach for this type of work. A right of passage, so to speak.

>>221291492
It's because they were trying so hard to be unpredictable and keep the fanbase guessing

>>221291657
Agreed. Pretty much everything he does can be justified or rationalized in one way or another up until that point, then he suddenly just accepts kids being murdered, and is only really worried about how he's going to hide the evidence.

>>221291850
It feels even more to me like an out of touch guy (which Gilligan absolutely is) and a bluepilled one at that (like your garden variety left of center "liberals before they went insane!!! cliche" of a guy from 2001) writing nazis while kind of struggling internally with something, like your cliche of a homophobe who hates gays cause he's attracted to men. Like he knows he's supposed to write the nazis as scum of the earth and worst of the worst, even worse than the cartel, but they're really not, I mean evidently not from what we see and even implied not to be just from how they behave and operate.

Like in-between fapping to Laura Fraser who he just cast as Lydia cause he's a gooner or even before discovering his gooner muse that would be Rhea Seehorn, he's writing these neo-nazi scenes with this tinge of a sense of "so they're neo-nazis but they're really just like, kind of old-timey guys, honorable no-nonsense operators... they're crude guys but they get shit DONE and they don't put severed human heads on tortoises as some kind of message..."

Like that scene with them complaining like boomers about bicycle helmets and seatbelts; that's comedy routine standup material shit for Just for Laughs 2001. And like, that's what the neo-nazis are. They're kind of crude boomers who are ruthlessly efficient and somehow honorably evil but in an understandable way that's not alien and exotic to us like scalping or colombian neck ties.

>>221291492
i thought they would bring in the gus backers they foreshadowed as the final antag not random nazis

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>>221291607
I think this was obviously kind of cringe and dated but it also showed walt being like “im rich af and have more money than I could spend. This entire meth thing is now an ego stroking exercise because Gretchen climbed onto dumbo, his ears flapped and they escaped, thus avoiding paying me my grey matter dues…its no longer about looking after my family.”

>>221291959
>>221291657

It's definitely one of the earlier cases of the writers needing to destroy the character because he's too likeable. Instead of writing him the way he was: A guy who did bad things but you can understand why. They're so afraid of having that type of character.

>How can you like him, he poisoned a kid!?
Walt knew what he was doing. The kid was never going to die. Gus was using Jessie against him and had no choice but to get him back on his side.

But when Walt turns into this emotionless guy who watches a little boy get killed without remorse, you destroy his character. You can still consider Walt bad and evil without destroying his character. There is a method to his madness. They end up doing exactly that with Hank dying and the finale where he saves Jessie, so the middle shit where he's a psychopath is completely pointless.

>>221291391
When Gus converted to Islam

>>221291492
>2.) Mike would not continue working with Walt. I think he'd just high-tail it out of the country if the laptop plot point remained. He got a substantial amount of money for his granddaughter
hank froze his money (and the other's too), which is the reason why he started to work with waltuh in the first place

>>221292078
Thanks, it's been a while. But it asks the question, why did he not have at least half as hard cash stashed? I still can't see Mike working for someone he hates as much as Walt.

>>221291391
Was this scene really so unrealistic that it had to go down in history as the reference point for when a grounded series goes off the rails?

https://youtu.be/QO0D0jF83lc?si=bBJw-xmKUHJy1v9P

>>221291566
>>221291614
He brewed up and drank an anti-explosion elixir for himself before going there that made him immune to all explosions for 30 minutes. It's in the novelization (which is confirmed canon by Vince).

>>221292111
if he didnt produce the cash, his guys would have flipped and he would have ended up in jail

>>221292151
Right. Damn, I've forgotten a lot. But I just remembered that I don't ever watch passed season 4 on rewatches.

All that does is show the fragility of Gus' operation. Which reminds me. I completely forgot about Gus dealing directly with those two street drug dealers. Something he would never do.

>>221292171
>I completely forgot about Gus dealing directly with those two street drug dealers. Something he would never do.
yes that was a huge plothole and bothered me as well, as if he would even meet with some low level street dealers, when he was apprehensive to reveal his identity even to walt as he was trying to recruit him

>>221291391
The entire show is made for redditors as a power fantasy of what they wish they would do.
You see? They are all super duper smort but they refuse to do le bad thing ok? That's why they are doing dead end jobs or unemployed... But one day... They take the reins of their life and become a Chad with their knowledge and run over everyone to get their goals but they also have a reason to do the things... They are so misunderstood... So yeah... Don't FUCK with redditors...

>>221292171
>I completely forgot about Gus dealing directly with those two street drug dealers
yes why did these two street level dealers who look like absolute street scumbag GTA NPCs get such reverence from Gus as trusted employees, and why were they allowed to be in a room with him (which is to say they know on a personal level the reasonably public face of the 17+ location chicken restaurant), as well as his top guys

>>221291391
Gustavo's death was straight up anime

also this one >>221291409
It was never a serious show.

>>221292219
>>221292197

I don't get why they are so willing to destroy a character with such lazy writing for a scene. They could have easily had Gus talk to Jessie only, telling him not to be bringing unwanted attention by dealing with some random drug dealers. An opportunity for Gus to monologue about being very protective of his privacy and attention - that jessie doing this kind of shit jeopardizes his relationship with Gus as he knows him personally now when many people don't.

The thugs were irrelevant and didn't even need to be in Gus' operation at all.

>>221292151
I thought all of Mike's guys were supposed to be solid?

>>221292151
>>221293037
>when Hank is trying to go investigate them even further at the chicken farm and shit, Mike says "this Mexico thing shouldn't be an issue, let me hire 10, maybe 15 more good, solid guys" to deal with the cartel problems
imagine if Gus let him hire these dudes and Mike and Walt had 25 "solid" guys to pay off in season 5

>>221291492
Yeah, I think introducing Todd and the crew was sloppy. I know they were crooks, but Walt and Jesse basically make themselves known to a random gang of cat burglars who would turn them in at a moment's notice? Also, turning individual houses into meth labs was dumb and impractical. What happens if the homeowner has secret cameras? What happens if the EPA does random spot checks?

Gus turning into Two-Face from exploding mexicans, walking out the room, adjusting his tie, and then falling over.

>>221292139
It was so innocent

>main character is a master chemist
>his final gambit doesn't involve any kind of chemistry
>instead he makes a machine gun booby trap that would only work if the car was allowed to be parked at a specific spot and angle
Bravo Vince

>>221293167
>What happens if the homeowner has secret cameras?
Addressed immediately by the master burglar Todd telling them specifically that he disabled a
nanny cam for them prior to their entering. But yes basically ALL of season 5 is retarded like this to some degree, even the good things are marred. Also just to be taken purely as an aside: Uncle Jack and Lydia are ironically the best aspects of season 5, given they're also the aspects of season 5 that I'd say are so often criticized.

Also it blows my fucking mind that to normalfaggots they literally unironically believe the show gets better until the very end and every season is better than the last. This is 100% true and what 99% of normalfags believe and tell new viewers. "Oh bro it just keeps getting better." "If you think that's crazy wait until Season 5." "Season 3 is where it really starts getting crazy!"

I thought Season 5 was at least moderately disliked by the general audience, like at least to the extent of people being willing to acknowledge issues. Not even close. I thought things at least got "bad enough" in some regards that people as a group as fans could kind of agree

>>221293283
yeah vince and them literally have admitted many times they had no long grand vision and season 5 was pulled out of their asses
I mean that's always been the case, from the season 1 writers guild shit that caused jesse to live
but even at the end when they were established television they were fucking winging it on a season by season basis and it shows in the final season

From putting the gun in Walt's trunk to actually knowing what he does with it, Vince has said he didn't fucking know until near the end. That is the definition of purely garbage dogshit writing pulp schlock. No Bravo Vince. You pulled all of it out of your ass last moment and just went "OKAY, SO GET THIS... RAMBO MACHINE GUN..... UH"

>>221291409
Vince watched too many episodes of Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

>>221291391
not my call

>>221293333
My main issues with the show were Walt & Jesse's toxic relationship and how the showrunners kept switching them around to manufacture conflict. Walt wants in, Jesse wants out, then Jesse wants back in, Walt wants out, rinse repeat.... Jesse says Gus is stiffing them, so he side-hustles, while Walt is happy to just work, ohwait no, apparently Walt is the ungrateful egomaniac and Jesse is a goodboi becus he cries n shiet. I honestly would've preferred that Jesse died in S1, as the writers would've had to come up with something new instead of using Walt & Jesse's relationship as a crutch.

>even though I have 1.2 million I need more to battle a nigger drug lord because I’m building the empire business

Uh okay

>>221291409
>>221291535
That shit would just produce a loud sound and maybe rattle things a bit, not make an explosion

>>221293333
The viewing audience are generally retarded. I watched GoT longer than I should have, but it was funny to drop it in the 7th season because it was irredeemable dogshit and then have everyone else start crying about it in S8.

I'll never understand the love BB has, it had a great start but fell apart towards the end. I think the only one of these critically acclaimed shows I've liked was Lost, but that's probably because I binged the whole thing instead of having to wait a decade to watch it.

>>221293419
>>Jesse says Gus is stiffing them, so he side-hustles, while Walt is happy to just work, ohwait no, apparently Walt is the ungrateful egomaniac and Jesse is a goodboi becus he cries n shiet
Mike goes from dead mackerel eyes gross uncle fester hitman/cleaner to the actual best hitman west of the missippii who, according to Saul, literally knows ALL the other hitmen who are not cops so they can't even find another hitman to do hitmanning because Mike is literally wrinkly bald John Wick and muh dog is muh granddaughter's money

>>221291391
Walt's sudden character shift after taking Gus down. The whole le evil white power prison gang thing. For BCS, it's after Chuck dies and it becomes a cartel show. El Psychico Ninja pushes things too far too.

>>221291607
That whole scene was product placement.

>>221291657
>>221292050
>>221293742
So glad I'm not the only one who noticed this, maybe it's just Cranston's acting but it's like he turned into a cartoon villain after S5E1. S5 should've been him desperately trying to get out of the business and all interlinking associates of Gus and the cartel catching up to him for revenge. Him just replacing Gus with overnight was so fucking stupid

Sounds like I missed a bunch of stupid shit because I turned it off when Skylar walked into the pool.

>>221291492
>1.) I don't see Jesse getting back into the game for anything. After Gus is dead, and the shit he's been through, I'd see him taking his money as a life lesson and getting the fuck out.
Agree. This bothered me too.

>2.) Mike would not continue working with Walt. I think he'd just high-tail it out of the country if the laptop plot point remained. He got a substantial amount of money for his granddaughter, if I remember. Should have had him tell Walt to go fuck himself, but Walt just kills him as a loose end.
The show does a good enough job of explaining this. Mike initially tells Walter to fuck off and says he doesn't want anything to do with him. After his guys start to roll on him and his money gets seized by the government he doesn't have much of a choice but to begrudgingly team up with Walter.

>3.) The nazis. You don't introduce an entirely new antagonist like this. Especially one so comically evil and stupid. Hank and the DEA should be the antagonist for this season, and Walt is the antagonist to Jessie.
Agree. It was out of left field and just felt easy and lazy as an antagonist, especially compared to Gus. Gus was menacing and ruthless but was also complex, nuanced and capable of kindness. The Nazis were just caricatures with no redeeming qualities or depth.

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>>221291494
>>221291848
>>221291896

If you watch the scene where the broken plate is shown, the shards look nothing like that. There is even a cut between Walt falling down and then waking up next to the shards (pic related). So they could have staged the same shards from the later scene even if the plate breaks differently every take. Then it would have made sense because audiences would have seen the exact same shards. But they just lazily introduced the conveniently shaped shards later later. This is also a weird rainman moment for Walt, he is never shown to have this autistic savant talent again.

tl;dr - Hack show for low IQ dumb dumbs

>>221296692
That's just you being autistic.
Being able to point out the tiniest of flaws in a production of. show doesn't help your case. It just makes me hope you don't have children because I don't want to argue with your retard spawn once I am 60.

>>221291391
Two planes crashing into each other in the sky was pretty stupid.
S4 onwards basically completely abandons the comedic aspect of the series and becomes LE BADASS instead which is gay and cringe

>>221297284
it's incredible how the show basically morphs into a completely different show, with a completely different tone and feel, yet you don't notice it while watching it unless you jump back a couple of seasons because it happens so incrementally. The end of season 4 and season 5 basically take place in a different universe to season 1 and 2. Vince really knows how to boil the audience like frogs

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>>221291535
As other anons say, this scene was badass enough to get a pass for me as well.
For me, the most shit thing in the show was the hyping of the airplane crash that took place close to walter's home.
Yes, I know it symbolizes that "actions can lead to unforeseen consequences" , but the creators kept misleading me for the whole season to believe that something will happen to Walter's house and family. That was a very bs way to keep you on the edge of your seat. They also did the same shit with Tuco's shootout. Thankfully they figured it out later, and stopped with the misleading bullshit

>>221297694
one thing that really bugs me about the plot of breaking bad is the absurd amount of coincidences there are. Characters just "happen" to be in the right place at the right time for something to be narratively consequential. This would be fine if it happened occasionally but it was like something that happens every episode and makes it feel like they're the only people who live in the city

>>221297808
Thats true, but I'll be lying if I say that I didnt like it. As long as the coincidences are well made, Im fine with it. Breaking bad did them well. Besides, Breaking bad is mostly a crime show, with emphasis on doubling down on crazy crime shit. Everything else take the backseat.

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When Skyler cheated on Walter with a toilet seat guy and then he died (for all intents and purposes, at least) hilariously like a bitch. One of the writers definitely got cuckolded by someone when they were spitballing in the room.

>>221297212
The shards are the the central prop of the plotline. They had every opportunity to be consistent they didn't. Because it's a hack show for low IQ dumb dumbs.
You'll be working for my kids when you're 60 kek

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>>221291536
>kill
>in cold blood
>a brown criminal
What do kosherbrains mean by this?
>>221297694
>they figured it out later
>and stopped with the misleading bullshit
Bullshit.

>>221298305
Again. Just you being extremely autistic and touting it as you being smarter than others (you're not).
Besides, we'll be part of a giant Jew working machine in the future so your retarded kids won't be bossing anyone around.

>>221298380
>Bullshit
Other than the Tuco shoot out and the airplane crash, was there any other misleading cliff hanger in Breaking Bad? Its been years since I have seen the show, but I only remember these two instances.
I remember I got bummed out on the airplane crash because the show had fooled me twice at that time. One misleading cliff hanger to cheaply raise up the hype for the season I can stomach, but a second one? Get outta here.

>>221296541
>>221291492
How come Mike didn’t have any clean money saved? Lidia been laundering for probably like 4 or 5 years at that point. I’d imagine his salary was some like 100-150k per year of completely clean money that the government can’t really touch at all.
I mean the answer is that Vince writes BCS after BB , I know

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>>221298913
You don't remember the mariachi band playing a song about what's not going to happen on the show in the future for what felt like 25 minutes?

>>221293537
>according to Saul, literally knows ALL the other hitmen who are not cops
He meant that Mike knows all the hitmen that he does

>>221292144
Ok but that still doesn't explain how the bag he's holding that's full of the stuff doesn't explode

>>221298584
Nah you just forgive this show's laziness because you think it's good. It's full of hacky, poorly thought out gimmicks, the plate is a perfect example. People ITT are ascribing deep meanings to a throwaway gimmick the writers barely thought about for 2 seconds. You WANT to believe there is depth and meaning, but there is none. It's a hack show for low IQ dumb dumbs

>>221299150
>the mariachi band playing a song about what's not going to happen
Wasnt that mariachi band singing about that Tuco Shootout, which I mention in my post, that turned out to be a nothingburger for Jesse and Walter?

>>221291391
The airplane crash shit felt so tacked on

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>>221291391
I was thinking about this moment the other day. I don't think it makes sense for Walt to be so assured about shooting some spic drug dealer in the face when iirc this was the first time he directly killed anyone. Nevermind the insanely dramatic timing of it, I just think this was a moment where the show was buying into its own hype. Walt is supposed to be a lame faggot who wishes he was cool and powerful, not actually be psychotically strong and powerful himself.

>>221301616
this moment came to mind for me too. it's a dramatic moment but totally out of character and doesnt make much sense.

>>221291391
Probably Gus getting blown up + the aftermath, the whole sequence feels un-serious.

After that the entire 5th season feels like a weird unnecessary fanfic. It had a couple of good scenes like Walt and the tv at the bar, but I kind of wish they had skipped the whole Nazi overlord arc and done something else to wrap it all up.

>>221291391
>LE MAGNETS XDDDD
Why do people pretend S5 is good?

>>221293422
What'd he have that he seriously told Hank who took it as a joke? 300k? Should've quit while he was ahead.

>>221301616
He crushed Krazy-8's throat in season 1.

>>221291896
>A right of passage, so to speak.
*A rite.

>>221291391
That bullshit with the plate.
Turned it off right there.
Never looked back

>>221302043
If I were to rewatch the show now, it'd probably feel just as much like a surreal revisit of internet history. Stuff like the magnets thing clearly wouldn't have been written that way if Breaking Bad in 2013 had been anything other than what BrBa was in 2013, the most popular drama of the century, where the funny dad from Malcolm in the Middle has an idiot sidekick who said "yeah science" that one time that got memed to greater heights than that character's actual finer moments.

>main goal of the show was seeing Walter become a major drug lord and his decay to evilness
>all his drug group is basically a drug addict and an old fart that mumbles his lines (yet is somehow able to kill everybody) and that's it....
>somehow still manage to outsmart THE ENTIRE DEA and an entire operation led by an actual drug lord that operates a popular chicken chain

>>221291391
the plane crash was ridiculously fucking stupid

>>221298380
Krazy 8 was a DEA insider, not a criminal

>>221291391
The whole airplane crash arc was fucking stupid.

>>221302180
Yeah I forgot that until reading the thread. Though that's much more for him and his family to survive at that point, whereas he just mercs those guys on the street corner when it was only Jessy who knew them beforehand.

>>221291409
the in-universe physics are different from the real world

the villain in S5 should have been the unseen, abstract forces of madrigal electromotive closing in and sealing off all his degrees of freedom

>>221296692
I hope someone was fired for that blunder

>>221291492
The ending of Breaking Bad is so insanely overrated. To begin with the turning point of the story is contrived; it was a great idea for everything to come crashing down after the characters believe they’re totally in the clear and finished with the meth business, but the way it happens is unconvincing. Jesse going insane after realizing Walt poisoned Brock at the last minute he was about to leave is about as contrived as it gets. Even if you accept that Jesse would have turned against Walt for it, it’s hard to accept that Jesse would go as far as to attempt murdering Walt and his family by burning their house then ratting to the DEA. Once again Jesse was driving the plot for arbitrary reasons just because he’s impulsive and stupid. If they wanted to make the point that it was Walt’s ego which brings his downfall then they shouldn’t have made it so that it was Jesse causing all the chaos and some random book was left laying around — everything spirals only because of bad luck and because Walt was responding to Jesse’s attempted murder, not because of his ego.

Lastly the final episode was lame. At this point Walt is disgraced and everything he did in the show was for nothing, which is a good tragic setup. The problem is that the final episode gives him redemption. It’s Walt tying up all possible loose ends and ending on a positive note where he saves Jesse, kills all the antagonists, ensures his children gets some money, secures a plea bargain for Skyler and dies heroically. The song that plays at the end is “I guess I got what I deserved” but did he really? Walt died as good as he could’ve possibly hoped given the circumstances, he really didn’t meet his comeuppance at all. He got the perfect action hero finale. It should've just ended at Granite State with Walt rotting alone with nothing.

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>>221291492
Don't forget the stupid machine gun, they obviously had no idea how to add it to the plot and just wanted to look cool for the reddit audience.

>>221302508
Ironically Vince always said that Breaking Bad was all about evil people facing consequences but the Sopranos did a way better job at this in the last season. Imagine if it ended with Tony killing Phil and all the New York guys with a machine gun and dying with glory. Everyone would've called it stupid but that's how Breaking Bad ends and everyone calls it genius

>>221292139
him still wearing his leather jacket is the funniest shit

>>221291492
Pretty much this. I'd also add the contrived electromagnet fry the laptop plot. Like Walt goes from being a good chemist to "I'm the smartest man in the world and can engineer my way out of anything" and it just feels out of place. I get why they changed his character to that; by that point the show was popular and they wanted to play into the audience's perception but it still felt like too much.

>>221303060
Blame Big Bang Theory and MythBusters who ruined every man involved in engineering or science into "LE WACKY EXPERIMENTS BAZINGAAA" to prove engineering is fun for some reason.

>>221292139
Honestly the jump doesn't even stand out compared to the crowd of spectators, who all conspicuously lacking in drug use, rap music, vulgarity and murder.

There are no significant logical inconsistencies in Breaking Bad. Every single one presented in this thread is the result of someone not paying close enough attention to characters and plot.
Any other problems you have are purely personal opinion, and the wrong opinion at that :)

The plane crash was so fucking stupid that it made me drop the show while it was still airing. I tried going back to it a few years ago to give it another shot and again I stopped watching because everything about the plane crash was so fucking stupid.

The airplanes colliding is maybe the stupidest thing in anything I've ever watched.

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>>221303167
You really can't get over this? It hardly even plays a role in the plot. It's just a hamfisted way of showing Walter's actions have consequences. You can pretty much forget about it completely within 2 episodes of it happening. If this is your sole reason for dropping the show, that's on you.

Gus's "trusted employees" who he feels comfortable even being in the same room with also roping a child into their activities (and then killing them) was kinda weird.

>>221303205
Surely they could come up with a better consequence for selling meth than "Jesse's girlfriend's dad is an air traffic controller and he's distracted and makes planes collide over Walt's house". It's even worse that they foreshadowed it for the whole season as if it would be something relevant.

>>221303291
there's only like 1 episode where they actually show meth addicts and how shit their lives are

>>221291566
If you listen closely you can hear the Howard Dean scream in that explosion

>>221291391
The most egregious part for me is the plot to murder the 13 snitches who are in jail and also all within 2 minutes somehow. Not even the Aryan Brotherhood could get that done. Killing any single incarcerated person is already very logistically challenging even more so than outside. You would have to find maniacs with nothing to lose willing to take a murder charge for some pitiful compensation or gang rep, and these people would need to be competent enough to kill someone with makeshift prison weapons. Then, repeat 12 more times and have all of these extremely impulsive and violent criminals follow your plan perfectly also hoping that none of them snitch on you when they're inevitably caught. The whole thing is just hand waved after Walt, (the being of pure narcissism) rejects reasonable objections from Jack and alphas him whilst being completely unconcerned with the actual planning itself which seems out of character.

Bro the thirty minute sex scene between Walter and Jesse where Jesse pulls out his dick and you can see the crust on it was fucking EPIC. HOLY FUCK they were brave for putting that in, thank you Vince you're a fucking legend cunt

>>221304134
13 snitches in 2 minutes is not realistic, but you are underestimating prison murder
>Killing any single incarcerated person is already very logistically challenging even more so than outside.
If they really wanted to find out yes, but most of the time it's broken cameras and underpaid guards watching, and they don't care so they just attribute whatever to gangfights or accidents and no one witnesses would snitch.

>You would have to find maniacs with nothing to lose
That is literally what prison is full of. the guys who get those jobs are on life or death row, and they do it for the cash in their account to buy shit at prison and continue to run things there.

>>221291391
i cant get past the part where he starts cooking meth instead of working for a chemical or pharma company.

Dubstep car commercial

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>>221292042
This scene was egregious cringe-kino to viewers like us, even when it aired, who saw it both as embarrassingly out of touch cringe with its dubstep and obvious product placement. As well as kino from a meta perspective of both Vince Gilligan and Walter White himself being out of touch cringe old men themselves. So Walt, who has for the moment dropped all pretense of this being about looking after his family, and his cringe crippled teen son, have a little circlejerk in the driveway of their suburb thinking of themselves as being in a music video. It was just a normal scene to most normalfag viewers though.

>>221303291
>>221303205
>>221303167
>>221303139
I have been a viewer since season 2 was still airing or just finished airing on television, there were still ads for season 2 airing on AMC being played on television when I started. I pirated every episode and watched it all since, back then.
I've maintained from the start that if there's a jump the shark moment it's definitely the plane crash. Half of the fucking season has cold opens foreshadowing something terrible happening, and it soon becomes apparent it's at Walt's house. Then that there was clearly some sort of explosion. Then you see there are literally body bags and guys in hazmat suits.
What is the first thing someone thinks? What do most people associate with meth labs? Explosions and disastrous fires.
You're thinking sort of crazy chemical explosion or meth lab explosion or something happens because of sticky circumstances. What crazy shit will happen to Walt and Jesse in this season to facilitate something this bad happening this close to Walt's home? What will the consequences be? Whoa, I can't wait! It's so cryptic and ominous. Then the reveal finally that it's a hellscape across Walt's whole suburb with fucking helicopters and shit in the final episode and you're like "oh... what the heck..." because maybe that scope is a little too big for Walt and Jesse. And then it's the stupid Jane crash.

The plane shit wouldn't be bad at all if it wasn't cold open foreshadowed for half the season, I think.
Or on the other hand, maybe it would be worse, who knows.

>>221303744
>meth addicts
fun fact, addicts are going to addict. doesnt matter if its weed or meth or cocaine they will find something to destroy their lives with.

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>>221291535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexZc7VXQ0Y

>>221304434
People getting murdered in brutal and creative ways would draw a lot of attention especially when they were all related to the same federal case. There would be an investigation and shit like this always leaves a trail. (Maybe) you (could) kill 13 people in prison over a while if you made them look like ODs or suicide. But Nowadays getting away with stabbing someone to death is in jail is impossible, too many cameras, and most people aren't itching to add 30 years to their sentence for commissary money. The end to that plot line just seems very cartoonish in retrospect.

S4 and prior seemed rock solid with very few plot holes. Then S5 happened and it almost seemed kinda comically bad.

Ask yourself why does Hank use the master bathroom? It's nonsense writing

>>221291492
>3.) The nazis. You don't introduce an entirely new antagonist like this. Especially one so comically evil and stupid. Hank and the DEA should be the antagonist for this season, and Walt is the antagonist to Jessie.
The nazis are the sole reason why S5 triggered you, and not because they're new antagonists, but because it makes you cry when nazis are portrayed as bad

>>221307252
The same goes for every single other person in this thread btw

>>221293376
I thought that gag started with loaded weapon 1

>>221306634
Hank was marking his territory

>>221291391
my favorite plot contrivance is how vince just straight up forgot about local enforcement. It's been years since I've watched this shit but I can't recall a single moment when local police make an appearance. It's only just Hank and the DEA.

>>221307252
They just suck. They were added because the main antagonists up to that point were brown.