Nobody wants to admit it, but this is actually the best superman movie since Superman (1978).
For me it's Bob Odenkirk in Nobody (2021)
>>221302759You wish James GunnThis shit sucked and no one cares about itYou did the opposite of revive interest in superhero moviesYour head is up your ass
>>221302759Many are saying this.Many are saying this.
>>221302803Who are you quoting?
>>221302759Superman 2 was pretty good too
>>221302759Honestly no skin in the game couldn't get through ten minutes of it. The dialogue is just so poor. Everything is exposition. I just can't stand movies where they treat the audience like idiot assholes. Even if they are."Hello superman it's me pajeet dihdstink, I'm awkward comic relief like in Deadpool. You saved my falafel stand because I couldn't just have a normal American job, you have to get out of here""Wow these robots are good""Yes lex trainers them on 500 of supermans moves. He's been studying him for years and this is his big moment""Yeah I know I work here"I don't hate James Gunn but I think he's a completely ordinary film maker
>>221302759>the best Superman movie since a forced 6/10okay
>>221302759For me, it's Superman Returns
>>221302759>Nobody wants to admit it, but this is actually the best superman movie since Superman (1978).Go fuck that trashy wife James.
Hey James
>>221302759Superman 1 > Superman 2 > 2025MoS is slopdidn't watch the others.
>>221302759this movie absolutely blows. its insane how unlikable every character in the movie is, especially lois. weak plot, incredibly weak character motivation, marvel quips, lack of consequences for huge scale fights. its like watching GI joe where nobody is allowed to die so everyone parachutes out of exploding tanks and planes. there are no stakes, nothing is on the line, nothing happens even during action sequences. literally preddit the movie, it played it way too safe. dont get me started on how fast everyone turned on superman either that was retarded.
>>221302759why didn't it make more money then? why didn't word of mouth carry it and prevent the 54% 2nd week drop off?
>>2213029872025 opened with a text crawl. It is braindead slop.
>>221302916>Everything is exposition.The first 10 minutes is literally just the first Ultraman fight. You're retarded, go watch it again.
>>221303002Oh I forgot about that as well. James Gunn really doesn't have "it" he'd probably be able to write a post 2005 comic book run but he really doesn't have any talent for film making.
>>221302759>B4!!>C12!>A9 a9 A9!!!idk whether I'm watching Bingo or Battleship
>>22130299754% is shallow.And it made more money than Fantastic 4. >>221303002>I don't know what a text crawl isA lot of movies start with an intro text dude.
>>221303108/fightan/
>>221303084>The first 10 minutes is literally just the first Ultraman fight.The opening minutes are basically a text crawl scrolling across the screen, laying out for the audience the poorly executed world-building James Gunn is trying to establish in the DCU.>>221303094For someone who leaned so heavily on Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman as a publicity stunt, he clearly never opened the book; otherwise, he would have copied Morrison and used visuals alone in the movie’s opening to tell Superman’s origin.
>>221303084And it's full of exposition. It's like he didn't want to write another origin story but he was so incapable of directing well that he had to explain everything that was happening diegetically. There was even a text crawl as someone else pointed out. He knows how much of a hack he is that he could'nt tell his story without literally telling it
>>221302759Maybe, but it's a low bar either way.
>>221303120>A lot of movies start with an intro text dude.Name 5, outside of Star Wars.
>>221303120if it were truly a great superman movie, it would've dropped way less than that. can't believe you actually think the movie's good. Superman is a supporting character in his own film
>>221303108I liked that bit. The whole Ultraman is actually a retarded superman clone that can't think for himself and needs to be told what to do turning into the reversal of the "brain beats brawn" in the final fight was perfect. That's how you hoist a villain on their own petard Zack.
>>221303148Here’s Morrison summarizing Superman’s entire origin in a single page, using just four panels and minimal text.Gunn repeatedly used this comic as a marketing gimmick, assuring fans that his movie would be just like it, but he couldn’t deliver. Instead, we got a long, drawn-out text literally explaining everything to the audience.
>>221302759>best superman movie since Superman (1978).>Not a single scene as good as First Flighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYdg1Y8S0N0
>>221302759Worse than Snyder's, which is almost an accomplishment
>>221303171yawn
There are multiple DCAU films better than this
>>221302759That is an incredibly low barrier.
>>221302759dunno how people have any strong preference between this and man of steel, they're on the same level for meit's hard to admit that because it's false, there's also Superman 2 and Superman Returns
>>221303197Frank Qietly created that page.
>>221303199man that scene is so good. think i'll give it a rewatch
>>221303171>The whole Ultraman is actually a retarded superman clone that can't think for himself and needs to be told what to do turning into the reversal of the "brain beats brawn" in the final fight was perfect.How is it that Superman, with all his incredible speed—and we’ve already seen how fast he can be, saving everyone one by one while the Kaiju tore through the city, was somehow too slow to counter Ultraman? Especially considering Ultraman had to wait for inputs from random technicians, who first had to receive commands from Lex Luthor before entering those inputs for Ultraman to follow.Explain it in a way that doesn't sound retarded, please.
>>221303148>The opening minutes are basically a text crawl scrolling across the screenIt's neither scrolling nor crawling. No wonder you suck as a filmmaker Zack. >>221303152I guess I was just enjoying the action in the action sequence and didn't notice whatever the fuck you think is valid criticism of a comic book movie. >>221303161Roland Emerich's entire filmography. There's definitely at least 5 there. Oliver Stone's entire filmography. There's definitely five there. Aliens. Bladerunner.Robocop. You may as well be asking me to just name 5 random movies. >>221303165>It it were truly a great superman it would have done something no film has ever done everThat's a high bar. >Superman is a supporting character in his own filmWho was the main character?
>>221303239And who dictated how that page composition should be like, hmm?
>>221303225Yeah because DCAU movies are awesome. I should have specified live-action. I'm sorry.
>>221303277>I guess I was just enjoying the action in the action sequenceThis cheap VFX bullshit?
>>221303317Is this a Bollywood movie?
>>221303277>who is the main characterit's a tie between Lex and the dog>that's a high barChat, give me a list of movies that made MORE in their 2nd weekend than their 1st.>Home Alone, Titanic, Avatar...I'm not asking the impossible like you want to believe i am
>>221302759I’ll admit it
>>221303317Yeah punch punch crash boom etc. It's a comic book movie, that's what it's supposed to look like. It is NOT supposed to look like >>221303199, that looks like it's from a holocaust film.
>>221303317Why does it look so cheap? What was the budget?
>>221303353Okay Zack, keep trying, I'm sure if you just keep throwing generic criticism at a movie you clearly haven't seen eventually something will stick.
>>221303378Why do you enjoy something that looks so visually unappealing? What’s going on with you? This looks like a low-effort Asylum movie.
>>221303317Wait a minute...
>>221302759Why what happened in 1978
>>221303353Here's what happens when you actually ask that.>Movies that gross more in their second weekend than their opening weekend are rare, typically achieving this feat through holidays (like Christmas) or highly unconventional, slow-burn word-of-mouth.
>>221303288Someone unable to actually create a comic book. Unlike Frank Quietly.
>>221303410Because it looks like it's supposed to look. How do you not understand delivering on audience expectations. >I'm Zack SnyderOh, well that answers that.
>>221303235>they're on the same level for meEven if you left out every aspect but the visuals? One is an absolutely beautiful film and the other looks like AI slop in comparison.
>>221303453>Because it looks like it's supposed to look.Like shit?
>>221303388225Which is like half of what Marvel and Star Wars spend on a TV show these days.
Sharkboy and Lavagirl ahh looking movie
>>221303468It looks like a superman movie Zack. The shit you made looked like you really wanted to make a batman movie.
>>221303499>It looks like a superman movie Zack.Superman 1, 2, 3, and even 4 don’t look anything like this, nor does Superman Returns, and definitely not Man of Steel.This movie looks like low effort shit.
>>221303466>It didn't have enough slow-moThat's what you actually meant.
>>221303487But it doesn't even have MODOK
>>221303518>definitely not Man of Steel.On this we agree. Hey you're the big expert on comic books right, which superman comic does superman kill zod and then cry about it?
>>221303520MoS doesn't have slow-mos, you idiot.
>>221303542Superman 2, but in that he smiles right after doing it.
>>221303543Have you ever heard the saying "All style no substance"?Of course you have, that's what everyone was saying about MoS when it came out.
>>221303570This doesn't have style, nor substance. It is just a bad looking movie.
>>221303562>coping this hard
>>221302759>Let's make Superman a useless side character in his own movie
>>221303585It has plenty of substance. You just don't know what substance is. You're the Terrence Malick of comic book films.
>>221303595Am i wrong?
>>221302759I agree, which surprised me because I went in not expecting to like it since I am not a fan of James Gunn films. I thought the three main characters Superman, Lois, and Lex all had strong characterization and resonant arcs. I also enjoyed the Justice Gang. I admit to bias since I'm a DC comics reader, and I read pretty much all of All In, including the Mr Terrific and Metamorpho books which were clearly published as a way to generate some hype and fan service.I do think it tried to handle too many threads and characters at once, but honestly I think it was brought down more by over reliance on CGI and green screens. Too much of the action did not feel impactful at all. It looked like something out of Star Wars Episode II.But these did not bring it down enough to make it bad. I tend to think that most good stories are good because of good characters, and on that front it delivered.The marketing around Supergirl has utterly killed my hype for it. I hope it will pleasantly surprise me, as well. Woman of Tomorrow is the best thing that hack Tom King has ever written by a long shot, so I'm going in with neutral expectations.
>>221303606Who was the main character?
>>221303615What substance then?
>>221303631Justice Gang, because Gunn is a fucking hack who keeps remaking the same 2 films
>>221302759
>>221303626>I thought the three main characters Superman, Lois, and Lex all had strong characterization and resonant arcs.What was their characters and arcs?
>>221303694>Turn female character into an object you put liquid's intoWhat did they mean by this
>>221303700Superman's arc was learning to rely on his friends and humanity. Lois's was learning to accept that her man and his power give him a perspective and outlook which she does not entirely understand. Lex's arc was negative and the inverse of Superman's. He learned to rely less on others and more on himself.It's nothing very complicated. If you watched the whole film you should have picked it up on the first viewing.
>>221303796>Superman's arc was learning to rely on his friends and humanity.The snarky murdering ones, you mean?
>>221303626>I also enjoyed the Justice Gang.Me too actually, and I thought casting Nathan Fillion as green latern sent the right message when the audience was kinda rolling it's eyes at the thought of an inevitable Jon Stewart. For the character that's supposed to comic relief there's layers to that that I make me smile. > Star Wars Episode II.Attack of the Clones is massively underrated. It didn't deserve the hate it got. The lead in from the phantom menace really ruined audience good will, and the first half of the movie is boring as fuck, but the battle at the end is actually really good by the standards of the time. >The marketing around Supergirl has utterly killed my hype for it. There hasn't actually been any marketing really. Just trailers and posters. The media is crawling so far up Milly Alcocks ass to try to find anything that might maybe upset facebook, and they've found fuck all. Everyone is waiting for the Zegler moment, but I'm pretty sure James Gunn has just put a blanket ban on talking to the press.
>>221303671They're in it for like 3 scenes.
>>221303855The ones with most agency, and heroism.
I didn't think the GotG formula works for Superman
>>221302759>Nobody wants to redeem it, but this is actually the most needful superman since Superman (1900 Saka Samvat)
>>221303869Can you stop embarassing yourself Zack?It's over. You lost.
>>221303875It's not the GotG formula. There's no plucky band of unlikely heros coming together to save the galaxy. Big brain lex uses his big brain to outwit superman, who refuses to compromise on his values, but in doing so Lex goes too far and is eventually hoisted on his own petard.That's the superman formula.
>>221303961>There's no plucky band of unlikely heros coming together to save the galaxy.Justice Gang.
>>221303915>Made less money than MOS
>>221303817Yes, the flawed, self-interested, impulsive metahumans, and the ideologue freedom fighters, and his girlfriend who doesn't trust him for his convictions, and even Lex Luthor who he compared himself to directly in his girlboss speech moment at the culmination of his arc.>>221303820I did not mean to compare Superman directly to Attack of the Clones, and I agree with you that AotC is underrated. I am rather comparing the similar flaws of each film in their over reliance on CGI to create spectacle while neglecting character moments and fight choreography.I concede on your third point. It's on me for buying too much into the memes media hype trying to catch Alcock into producing a Zegler moment, which you're right, she hasn't done. The early reviews I've seen state that the film has some issues but that Millie's performance is the highlight, so yeah I am looking forward to watching it and hope I enjoy it.
>>221304017>Yes, the flawed, self-interested, impulsive metahumansThe ones that killed, and the movie framed as awesome moments for the audience to cheer.
>>221304041yeah them
>>221302759Whatever you say fag, but you're wrong
>>221304017>and even Lex Luthor who he compared himself to directly in his girlboss speech moment at the culmination of his arc.I hated that scene, and I agree with the actor that the speech was terrible and didn’t fit the movie. Superman had just seen Lex Luthor cold-bloodedly redeem an innocent jeet who had saved his life, yet he’s ranting and crying to Lex about being normal, like he’s desperate for Lex’s approval.
>>221302759It was good but in a "yup that's Superman" kind of way, and comic nerds will disagree with you. Well acted, not too quippy. Superman is a leftist.
>>221303980Zack shut the fuck up, you're wrong about everything. It's like you've never seen a movie you didn't make. >>221304005Slightly, and it didn't have Nolan's name plastered all over the marketing after the success of The Dark Knight. The audience Snyder would go on to betray, abuse, and eventually chase away. > I am rather comparing the similar flaws of each film in their over reliance on CGI to create spectacle while neglecting character moments and fight choreography.I honestly don't think that's fair. It's not a perfect movie by any stretch of the imagination, but I thought the fact that it DIDN'T just go ham on the CGI but instead focused on telling an authentic story is a redeeming quality, not a flaw. Lex, for me, really carried the movie. When is Nicholas Hoult not good? But his motivations were clear, he wasn't evil for the sake of it, he wasn't an incel or a trump allegory, he was Lex Luthor doing Lex Luthor things. And a good villain is what makes or breaks these movies for me. On the second watch I really saw how that could eventually lead to the All-Star Superman Lex Luthor redemption thing in like 10 years time. And that's one of my favorite moments in all of pop-culture. And I can believe Nicholas Hoult as THAT Lex Luthor.
>>221304116Superman believes everyone can be redeemed, and everyone deserves the chance.
>>221304116I liked that scene a lot. He's nowhere near a demigod man of tomorrow yet. He's contending with his birth parents trying to groom him to become a villain on the earth, rejecting them, and contending with the fact that the race he's sworn to protect don't share his convictions. He had gotten the shit kicked out of him like 10 times in 20 hours. He earned a crashout.
>>221304017I actually meant most of >>221304157 for you.
>>221304175It felt less like Superman trying to redeem Lex and more like he was seeking Lex’s approval, which came across as awkward and off-putting. Thankfully, Krypto stepped in and handled Luthor in the way audiences had been hoping for.
>>221304220>He earned a crashout.That was no crashout, that was "Why don't you like me? uwu" bullshit moment, which ignores that jeets that died in front of his eyes.
>>221304157>But his motivations were clearOf course it should be, he literally told the audience his entire character, motivation, and the movie’s plot out loud, just so the people in the audience could understand it.
>>221304227I didn't feel that way. To me it felt like superman yet again pleading with Lex to be reasonable. Superman can crush Lex with a finger, but Superman is not here to punish. And that was the point to the hawkgirl - boravian president scene. The president thought hawkgirl would have the same rigid moral code as superman and that that would protect him, but hawkgirl is a blunt instrument with no such code and literally killed who needed to be killed. The irony being that Lex' creating the rift as a way to keep Superman away from the Boravian crisis ultimately meant that Superman was not there to save the president's life. Again, the whole hoisted on your own petard thing. Lex ultimately outsmarts himself, and all Superman has to do is stay true to his values no matter what sure that he'll win in the end.
>>221304295Yeah Lex Luthor monologuing is another example of Lex Luthor doing Lex Luthor things. It's not enough that he just beat superman, it's that superman recognizes the superiority of Lex as the superior being.
>>221304311>And that was the point to the hawkgirl - boravian president scene. The president thought hawkgirl would have the same rigid moral code as superman and that that would protect him, but hawkgirl is a blunt instrument with no such code and literally killed who needed to be killed.The issue with that scene in the Superman movie is that Hawkgirl’s attitude was portrayed as the right one, since it solved a problem the movie itself created, in an overly glorified way meant to give the audience catharsis. The same goes for Mister Terrific killing the Kaiju. Superman just stood there muttering complaints while Mr. Terrific detonated the Kaiju's belly, but by the end of the scene, the problem the movie set up, namely the Kaiju rampage, was resolved.Superman never really handles the challenges the movie throws at him by himself, it’s always another character who steps in, taking charge and solving things their own way. Often, they do this while putting Superman down, like in the Hawkgirl example, while he’s left doing… nothing of real significance. Just tossing out empty platitudes that even the movie doesn’t seem to take seriously.
>>221304336>Yeah Lex Luthor monologuing is another example of Lex Luthor doing Lex Luthor things.So every other character delivering a full monologue about their entire character and the movie ongoing plot to the audience is meant to be them channeling Lex Luthor, or is this just a brainless movie that doesn’t respect the audience’s intelligence?
>>221304407What were the other monologues that you're so upset about in the movie you wish you had made Zack?
>>221303084Too be honest I never watched the film, I just post stupid crap on 4chan. Plus Im mad that fantastic four didn’t do better business since Im a huge Disney /Marvel fan
>>221304438Pretty much all the back-and-forth in this movie is just characters explaining to each other what they're about, who the other characters are, or what happened and is happening on screen.
>>221302759It was good, but Gunn is going to ruin everything
>>221304248That is absolutely a crashout scenario. Superman and Lex Luthor are actually motivated by the same conviction. They want to achieve the greatest effect possible with all of the power they can muster and manage. They both imagine that they intend to serve humanity and both have imperfect visions. At its culmination, Superman went off in part because he'd been trapped in a prison, blasted with kryptonite, dragged through lava, all that, but also because while he can relate to Lex on a level of wielding power, he doesn't understand him. In this film, Lex is not portrayed as a consummate psychopath, but as a narcissist. Lex puts his noble intentions primary and damns the consequences, while Superman becomes willing to compromise.>>221304157I'm not sure how to reply to you because it sounds like we agree, and I may not have stated my perspective accurately. I think that both in AotC and Superman, the character progression outshone CGI which undermined the films. As for your thoughts on Lex, I agree. Just read my thoughts in the above reply in this post.
>>221304387Yeah like I said it's not a perfect movie, it does take shortcuts to get through the situations it sets up. But Superman certainly doesn't do nothing, he's pushing the plot in every scene even though he's dancing to Lex Luthor's tune. Escaping from the prison for example, Superman simply remains true to his values. Eventually morphman or whatever the fuck the other guy's name is has a crisis of conscience and sides with the moral superiority of superman over the material superiority of Lex. He then sees that paid off when he watches Superman go through the sequence that happens next to save the baby at his own expense. The moral of the story being do the right thing no matter what and everything will turn out okay in the end.
>>221304532>The moral of the story being do the right thing no matter what and everything will turn out okay in the end.Or, as the movie shows, others will take care of your problems and get their hands dirty for you, allowing you to keep your morals intact without being tested or putting in any effort.
>>221304471>pretty much all of the dialogue is actually monologueThanks for that retarded take, I'm sure we all feel better about ourselves for not being you. >>221304531Yeah I think that's an interesting take.
>>221304575>Thanks for that retarded take, I'm sure we all feel better about ourselves for not being you.Show a moment of natural dialogue in the movie that isn't just pure exposition to clue in the audience.
>>221304574JFC it's like talking to a feminist who won't stop screeching about how superman reinforces patriarchal power structures or something. You're going to be able to twist this movie to fit your narrative no matter what I say, where I'm just going to enjoy the movie for what it is.
>>221302759>Nobody wants to admit itA lot of people know this. Not that there's a lot of competition since most of the sequels sucked and Superman Returns and Man of Steel were gigantic pieces of fucking shit.
>>221304611Every conversation between Clark and Lois about their relationship and who they are to each other. The bickering over the justice gang name. The relationship between Jimmy and Eve. The heart to heart with Pa Kent. Basically the entire move you fucking retarded idiot Zack Snyder.
>>221304630>A lot of people know this.Not enough to make this movie profitable.
>>221304621>You're going to be able to twist this movie to fit your narrative no matter what I say, where I'm just going to enjoy the movie for what it is.Terrible movie, both in terms of plot and visuals?
>>221304664It did pretty well. We'll see how the sequel does. I think it'll do a lot better than the original since a lot of people discovered it on streaming. Unless Gunn fucks it up.
>>221304700>It did pretty well.It didn't. It underperformed.
>>221304768It did well, only coping snyderretards convinced themselves otherwise.
>>221304664It was profitable>>221304768No it didn't. Man of Steel underperfomed because it had the entirety of Nolan's audience baked in but it didn't deliver on audience expectations about what a superman film should be. And that's one of you MANY problems Zack, you're so busy cramming every scene with subtext and deconstruction that you forget to just tell the fucking story.
>>221304611It was natural when I had to explain the plot to your mom because she missed the second act while she was fellating me
>>221304842Was she any good?
>>221304878
>>221302759It's definitely not as good as the Christopher Reeve film, but I thought it was extremely enjoyable. And that's really all it took to make a Superman film decent. Just make a film that isn't depressing, it isn't that difficult.
>>221302759Is that why it made less money than Man of Steel?
>>221304828>It was profitable618M on a 363M budget is profitable?>Man of Steel underperfomed because it had the entirety of Nolan's audience baked in but it didn't deliver on audience expectations about what a superman film should beAnd yet it still is the 2nd highest grossing Superflick, with 1st going to Superman 78. Even WITHOUT accounting for inflation, MoS still made more money.
>>221302759I mean, it is, but the bar is so incredibly low. Superman II is not good, 3 and 4 are Cannon-level shit. Superman Returns is very, very gay. The Snyder movies are straight up trash. Gunn's Superman is merely passable.
>>221304988Zack Snyder is never coming back. Get over it.
>>221304964>Just make a film that isn't depressingIt seems so obvious and yet they can't stop fucking it up. >>221305023>And yet it still is the 2nd highest grossing SuperflickZack you made half of what Ironman 3 made the same year and Ironman 3 was garbage. You had a lead-in from TDKR which made over a bil, which means 400mil worth of the audience that went to Batman didn't bother with Man of Steel. That's BAD you idiot.
>>221304964>Just make a film that isn't depressing, it isn't that difficult.I don't mind a darker tone for Superman. I didn't mind Superman Returns. I hated Man of Steel because it was just a shitty movie from a director with a low IQ who should be making music videos and not movies.
>>221305169>ZackObsessed.>You had a lead-in from TDKR which made over a bil, which means 400mil worth of the audience that went to Batman didn't bother with Man of Steel.My guy, Batman makes more money by DEFAULT. Superman will NEVER reach those heights no matter what.
>>221305302Keep coping Zack, here's another of your MANY problems is you don't understand how a cinematic universe or even a franchise works. That's why Warner never trusted you, you didn't understand what they needed from you, which was to keep that audience happy. Instead you made it about you. You didn't make a justice league cinematic universe, you made the "snyderverse". Which wasn't what you were asked to do. You could not keep the audience you were given, and you couldn't hook a new audience.
>>221305520That's not Zack. If it were Zack his post would read like this>Like, Muh my my guy, Buh-buh-Batman makes muh more mon money buh by by like, by default, like S-superman will Nuh-nuh-NEVER ruh reach thghose huh highs...like, no matter what!
>1A 1A 1A 1A This movie actually made me interested in Superman and Lex Luthor, besides the generic Superhero trivia.
The thread spends more time calling people Zack Snyder and dwelling on its box office success than actually talking about the movie. That pretty much says it all.
>>221302759>but this is actually the best superman movie since Superman (1978).Wrong WB. It will never live up to Donner's Superman. Maybe Superman 4.
>>221305595read some comic books then
>>221305608That's not true. Some of us just call out Zack Snyder and his fans for being homosexual gay faggots.
>>221305620>read some comic books thenNo, do I look like I browse /co/?
>>221305682>No, do I look like I browse /co/?yes
>>221305626And James Gunn and his fans as try hard, arrogant and LYING faggots.
>>221302759I really liked. The dued that plays superman is amazing in the role.
>>221305730You lost Zack.
>>221305730Never seen a Snyderfag who wasn't an actual fag.
>>221305626I refuse to believe Zack Snyder has fans.
>>221305810>>221305814Not Zack. I want Smallville back or a full reboot with a new creative team.
>>221305702get out of my room
>>221305863Smallville was for girls.
>>221305850I can’t believe Gunn actually has fans. I just assume anyone praising the movie is a WB shill getting paid in rupees and worthy of my complete mockery.
>>221302759man of scream is better
>>221305872okay *has sex with your hot sister and then also your mom*
>>221305850He doesn't. It's all fags who like shirtless Henry. Notice that nobody ever talks about Zack's non-Superman works. Because Snyder fans don't exist. Only fags.
>>221302759How much do you think Supergirl will make? I say 400 milly range max.
>>221305878>Smallville was for girls.Gunn's Superman is for people who think they know comics and Superman but in fact do not know anything and just want to capture what made Donner's Superman work so well. But failed.
Could've just tossed this scene in but didn't for some reason
>>221305902>WB shill getting paid in rupees and worthy of my complete mockeryIt is WB marketing.
>>221305954That's nice. But Smallville, like all teen drama tv garbage, is for girls. If you're a girl, that's fine. But I ain't watching shit for girls, sorry.
>>221305946Hey now, let's not hate on shirtless Cavill. I like shirtless Cavill. And I fucking hate Zack Snyder.
>>221305953Yeah I'd say that. >>221305978Nigger you're thinking of Disney. This isn't Disney.
>>221305978True.
>>221305966For the same reason the movie doesn't start with simple scenes translating Superman's origin as a visual language. Because Gunn never read All-Star Superman, he just used as a marketing gimmick to fool the so-called die-hard fanboys.
>>221305981Sure. But it was still a better Superman show then whatever shit we got for the past 15 years.
What are they fucking thinking following this up with Supergirl?
>>221306073They thought you liked shit so much that you deserved more shit. Why aren't you happy, you shit eater?
>>221306119At least I didn't pay for it
>>221302759Man of Tomorrow will do even worse with general audiences and underperform this one. That will be the end of Gunn's rule. And not short enough it was.
>it's a Clark does literally nothing episode
>>221306142>Man of Tomorrow will do even worse with general audiences and underperform this one.Should be straight to streaming.
>>221306073They want to introduce Brainiac as the BBEG and set the stage for Powergirl in phase 2 obviously.
>>221306191thanks doc
>>221302759>Nobody wants to admit it, but this is actually the best superman movie since Superman (1978), if you love kikesFTFY
>>221302759It has to be Man of Steel, despite having some absolutely baffling choices, like the dad telling him that maybe he should let the kids die, which could have been fine if he had turned around eventually, but no. The guy keeps the mindset to his grave. Killing Zodd was fine too, but the whole fight should have revolved around putting people in danger to gain advantage and Superman having to divide his efforts between fighting and helping until Zodd escalated things so much he had to go. The idea was fine, Superman killing him to save the family, but it comes out a bit tone deaf after they destroyed the entire city like nothing.
It's definitely one of the better ones, but has a lot of things that I wish they could've been done betterI has that feeling of grabbing a random first issue of a new run by a different author, really like it but not really buying the rest of the run until something big happens
best since Superman 2, sure
>>221304387thank you for articulating exactly why i don't like it
>>221305954B A S E D
>>221302759Don't you have a new movie to shill Gunnjeet.
>>221309277You seem to be doing a good job of that yourself Zack.
>>221305954Yup, it's a mishmash of what normies think Superman is and a pure pastiche of the Donner movies. Absolutely slop
>>221306191It looks like it, that warsuit is so ass it makes the supershit suit look almost decent. MoT is gonna somehow flop harder than Supergirl
>>221309347>MoT is gonna somehow flop harder than SupergirlI don't think that's possible to be honest. Supergirl won't likely cross the 200 millions line. That truly is abysmal for one of these movies.
>>221302759I'm not a Snyderfag at all, but James Gunn couldn't hold a candle to Richard Donner.
>>221309384saar, Gunn captured the soul of Donner Saar but more comic accurate saar.
This is a manchild’s Superman. Nerds that have a book shelf of funk pops like it because they can relate to a protagonist that gets overly emotional at the most mundane of things, like a mock interview & most other issues they just sulk about it before playing with their heckin pupperino that they don’t even take care of. Soft men like Gunn shouldn’t be entrusted to a character like Superman, they project themselves in the character
>>221309549>This is a manchild’s Superman. Nerds that have a book shelf of funk pops like it because they can relate to a protagonist that gets overly emotional at the most mundane of things>And this is bad somehowPlease never talk to me or my straight husband's non-binary child ever again.
>>221309549I feel you can make a characters like that work, but you must make him the butt of some of the jokes. He can still be the hero and even cool overall, but the movie must laugh at him not to fall into straight up worship of what is a rather pathetic archetype, even in its idealized form. The He-Man movie just did it and it works well. The issue is that you cannot do that with Superman and that's the issue with this movie. It has an identity crisis. It wants to be an action comedy with an unlikely hero you laugh at but also root for, and also needs to be a Superman movie with a main character that should be above being undignified. Superman is someone with so much dignity that you could beat him to a pulp and he should never become pathetic, and that's not a register James Gunn can do.
>>221302759Why would nobody want to admit it, if it's good?
>>221309982I can't even tell what this criticism is, are you saying it was too funny or not funny enough?
>>221310331>are you saying it was too funny or not funny enough?Thinking a Superman movie or TV show needs this is part of the problem. Humor should feel organic and earned. Not a priority.
>>221302759>>221303908Superslop for Gunnjeets
>>221309549>like a mock interviewThat still baffles me too. Why the fuck did he get so mad over that? She was trying to only help him at underhanded questions meant to put him on the spot.
>>221310331Superman, the character, was too funny for a Superman movie, but not funny enough for a millennial redditor character.
>>221302759Black Adam is a better movie than this garbage
>>221302759The dog was too fucking ugly. It completely ruined the film for me.
not going to watch your jewish propaganda.
>>221310811What was jewish about it?
>>221310824Croatian-speaking country invades country full of poops and Superkike immediately aligns himself with the poops, Poohawkgirl kills le evil White president, Superkike rapes several children just as the jewish religion commands, off-camera and in real life, Nogs is the smartest in the world, poo saves Superman and is the true hero of Metropolis. Oh, and there's also a faggot kike as the lead actor.
>>221310933Boravia is actually an allegory for Israel invading it's neighbors.
>>221310771That sounds like nonsense to me.
>>221310784
>>221311039No. Anon is right.
>>221311017LMAO, Kike lover faggot!
>>221311061Actually I think you might be Jewish and that's why you're mad about Netantahu getting flying lessons from Hawkgirl.
>>221310415>I hate jokesSad. Personally I like feeling good at the end of a movie, instead of suicidal.
>>221311105>Didn't actually read my commentSuperman isn't for you then.
Because 25 is the best of all time op. 78 walked so 25 could run (fly)
>>221302759It was fucking garbage and it bombed, you jeet shill.
>>221303266They can’t, and what’s worse - how can a man capable of rivaling the Flash in raw speed not hit his opponent 720,000 times between verbal commands?
>>221311224No I read it, you said you hate jokes. When jokes happen you're just like >oh gross it's another joke I fucking hate jokeswhile everyone else just has a giggle and moves on. Like you do you, but I'm just saying the rest of us like it when a movie makes us feel good, not when a movie makes us feel like the world is trash and there's no point to living and all our heroes are lies.
>>221303197Ma Kent is a downie?
>>221311256It's worse than Superman 4. Which is what Superman 2025 is about.
>>221311319>while everyone else just has a giggle and moves on.This isn't MCU. DC films are not meant to be outright comedies. If you want that then go watch the latest Spider-Man or Marvel film.
>>221311090>Capitalizing the J in jewishHow does it feel to know that your (((people))) are known for raping and killing children?
>>221311399not capitalizing the J in the proper noun Jewish is how I knew you were Jewish. I spell it correctly to make sure you understand that when I say "exterminate the Jews" I'm talking about your parents, and your siblings, and your cousins, and your grandparents, and your entire extended family. People don't hate you because you're Jewish. People hate Jews because of you.
>>221311391>DC films are supposed to be Zack SnyderYou mean they're supposed to chase away the audience, put black people in everything even when they don't belong, and burn the value of IPs to nothing?
What do people actually want out of a superman/supergirl movie because I honestly don't really see the point of these live action adaptations. I guess all star superman would be cool.
>>221311497>You mean they're supposed to chase away the audience, put black people in everything even when they don't belong, and burn the value of IPs to nothing?That's exactly what James Gunn is doing right now.
>>221311488>words words wordskikes can't meme
>>221311511>What do people actually want out of a superman/supergirl movieLeave Supergirl out until well after the Justice League is established. Should have been an actual full reboot with only Superman being the main hero and rumors of a "Batman".
>>221311516No he isn't. He just rebooted it and created a modest success where previously there had only been fervent hate from the core audience. You're obviously not part of the core audience, so why you care is the question of the day. The people who like comic book movies like superman. That's all that matters.
>>221311578Supergirl has to be brought in now to introduce brainiac as the BBEG for phase 1. And to allow for crisis on two earths and the introduction of powergirl in phase 2. How many times ITT does this need to be said before you realize that this makes sense.
>>221311607>only been fervent hate from the core audienceI am the core audience and you still lost me. Fuck sake. Read the room WB.
>>221311616Has Gunn confirmed any of that happening yet?
>>221311645every modern film or show maker should god damn take notes from the goat Smallville. Faggots don't realize or appreciate how good we actually had it.
>>221311645I don't believe you. I think you might have seen infinity war and endgame, and you're probably not even old enough to have seen the nolan trilogy, certainly not the X-men movies. The core audience has absolutely no reason whatsoever to hate James Gunn, and several reasons to like him. >>221311659Gunn is not talking to the press AT ALL. The red carpet ambushes for the superman premier were the last straw I think.
>>221302759Total Beta male
>>221311707>I don't believe you.Of course you don't. I grew up with Dean Cain's Superman. I have watched the MCU, the Nolan trilogy in cinemas when first released and think the X-Men films are better than the MCU. Toby Spider-Man is best and always will be. Everything Gunn has done so far is take a massive shit on Superman. Made him a complete joke. I was in the cinema for Man of Steel. Half of the audience hated it and the other half appreciated it as a new take on the character. All I want is for Superman and the mythology of the character to be respected. That's it.
>>221311607>The people who like comic book movies like supermanAnd that's a minority now unless you're Batman and Spider-Man.
>>221311813Then how come you don't understand what the culture-war in pop-culture has been for the last 10 years? There's no black people in supergirl and green lantern was played by Nathan fucking Fillion in superman. Idris Elba is nowhere to be fucking seen. You don't even know why everyone else is mad at hollywood. >>221311869Yeah nerds have been really fucking traumatized by the last 10 years. It's going to take a lot to win them back. But James Gunn wasn't the one to traumatize them.
>>221311944Seriously. What's your problem? Why are you trying so hard to discredit anything I say? I'm not even going to bother as you just want to put Gunn on a pedestal and be someone who cannot do any wrong.
>>221312082I don't know about "can do no wrong"But so far he hasn't. I have zero reason to hate Gunn and I have no idea why you do. You just spout your resume like if you've got the requisite nerd qualifications then I have to listen to your dumbshit opinion. That's not how that works.
>>221312145>I have no idea why you doBecause you're still not reading what I wrote. I'll say it again. All I want is for Superman and the mythology of the character to be respected. Gunn is not doing that at all.
>>221302759Cavill dodged a bullet.
>>221302759>Nobody wants to admit it, but this is actually the best superman movie since Superman (1978).Yeah, but it's not a high bar to clear.Besides few scenes from Returns any Superman movie since then was almost unwatchable
>>221312482>Superman movie since then was almost unwatchableFor you.
>>221312679yes, and for everyone else since all that shit bombed hard and was universally reviled
>>221302759Best Lex in kinema
>>221313170Also best Lois
>>221312967>universally reviledWhich ones?
>>221313170>>221313197True both. Lois is underrated.
