RLM faggots and jews who hate the Christ allegory.

>>221313821
Because it's shit and you have shit taste.

Subverted standards

>>221313821
Pathetic manbaby nerds who made the most noise at the time. Plenty of nornal people enjoyed it.

>>221313821
Because as soon as Jar Jar shows up the quality drops

>>221313821
i refuse to rewatch it but it's probably just because when you watch it in 2026, you're comparing it against modern cinema which has suffered a general quality decline. in summation, it didn't get better, everything else got worse

>>221313821
Because it's terrible

No

>>221313821
>Why did it get so much hate for years?
It only got hate decade later from Disney astroturfing groups like RLM.

>>221313821
>see movie as a kid
>remember that it was disappointing
I doubt it got any better over the years.
Darth Maul and the Pod Race was cool but I don't even remember how they connected to the film's story at all.

>>221314020
The stakes of the pod race is Qui Gonn getting Anakin as a sex slave if he wins
>why didn't he just use some funds from the Jedi Council (who runs the entire galaxy as grey eminences) to buy him?
Shut up

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>>221313997
Episode of, arguably, the most popular TV show in history. 2002. Talking about how the prequels suck.

>>221313821
It only got hate from a few virgins living in their basement doing film "reviews". Then it became popular to bandwagon and pretend they were the worst thing ever made, despite each one selling more tickets then the last. Hate bandwagons rarely have good reasoning and most passengers forget why they're riding. Just try asking the fags here still clinging to the opinions of their e-daddys.

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>>221314082
Here's an episode of, arguably, the most popular TV show in history. Parodying Michael Jackson
This means everyone always hated MJ's music and he was never popular.

>>221314082
This is a new level of cope I haven't seen before

Very weak cast of characters. You have an audience that has sat with characters like Luke, Han and Liea for 20 years. Then you give them planks of wood like Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. On top of that you give them Jar Jar, a child actor very few people enjoyed watching and Portman in one of her most dull performances of all time. Not really the actor's fault, a lot of talent there. But it is what it is.

>>221313821
It fucking sucks. Gain taste.

>>221314096
Very Indian post. Nobody has any idea how to decipher what your argument is here.

>>221314100
The irony of someone who likes the prequels telling others they're coping.

>>221314061
After many scandals involving jedi and young padawans, the church cannot have jedi paying for children on the books

>>221313870
>Plenty of nornal children enjoyed it
ftfy. No adults liked it. Especially people that grew up with the OT.

>>221314020
You know what I cant resolve plot wise after all these years? What the fuck was the point of Maul fighting the two jedi on Naboo? When he went after them on Tatooine I could understand, he was trying to capture the queen. But what was the reason for going after the jedi on Naboo? Palpatines plan already worked. He had got the vote of no confidence in the current leader. There was no point to have Maul keep going at them. Mission was accomplished. The fight makes no sense

>>221313821
Political intrigue filtered the regular public that thought Star Wars should be a samurai western.

>>221314215
Had to happen so Qui-Gon would die and Obi-Wan would have the kid dumped on him. As to the why in-universe, at that point Palpatine still wanted the Trade Fed to have Naboo to cause more division for his clone wars scheme.

>>221314215
>What the fuck was the point of Maul fighting the two jedi on Naboo?
there needed to be a cool lightsaber fight at the end of the movie

The Phantom Menace is an awesome name.
Palpatine was the phantom menace and no one notices.
The celebration theme from the ending is the emperor's theme from Return of the Jedi.
The movie is kino, you just have to look at the right parts.

>>221314159
Wrong. Plenty of normal adults liked it. Only pathetic manbabies with an immature and entitled attachment to the OT seethed about it. You're basically 90% agreeing with me.

>>221314371
Sounds weak. Either the trade federation army beats all the Naboo people or they don't. Just having Maul there wouldn't turn the tide, and it would look suspicious with him running around. There was no need for him to be there

>>221314415
>yeah, the movie may be rancid dogshit BUT the title sounds kinda cool and that makes it kino if you really think about it

>>221314426
>Wrong. Plenty of normal adults liked it
No they literally didn't. The prequels were a meme.
Even the simpsons hated the prequels. >>221314082

>>221314215
They literally explain why, Maul's only lines in the movie during a discussion with Sheev talk about getting 'revenge' on the Jedi. Sheev wanted to be Chancellor, but he also had a wider motive against the Jedi. Qui Gon and Obi Wan were out in the open and there was a chance to kill them.

>>221313821
A combination of this >>221313939 and also that at this point everyone is used to the glaring flaws it has which allows you to focus on the better aspects. I remember finding Jar Jar Binks and Anakin so distractingly cringe inducing and annoying that it made the movie completely unwatchablebfor me back in the day but in my last rewatch I knew what to expect and wasn't that bothered by it even though it didn't get any less godawful. And then suddenly you notice how much detail and passion and soul is in the movie, and how fucking good it still looks, it is really something special. And it still has astronomically huge problems at a fundamental level, don't get me wrong, but the shit that isn't bad is actually really really fucking impressively good

>>221314448
I didn't wrote just that. You just invented a whole other sentence there. Don't be a schizo.

>>221314450
Star Wars — Episode I: The Phantom Menace movie review https://share.google/BKxjgnHz5t0AbFQuX

You're wrong.

>>221314494
>—

>>221313821
Boomers and Gen X were/are super retarded

>>221313821
>Why did it get so much hate for years?
Here's why
>The trade federation blockading a small planet of no worth to protest the taxation of their trade routes makes no sense. Especially when they have many other alternative solutions at their disposal.
>There is no visual evidence that the blockade negatively impacts naboo.
>It is never explained why Sidious has so much sway over the TF apart from vague notions of fear.
>Qui-gon and company somehow travel through the Planet's core via a submarine.
>The TF land on the other side of the planet despite having the capability of landing their troops outside the Captiol city.
>Gunray has Amidala sent for processing instead of keeping her secure within the palace. Gunray doesn't even have her escorted by droidekas.
>The TF somehow expect a treaty signed under duress to be legally binding.
>R2D2 being the queen's astromech is a huge contrivance.
>The TF attempt to destroy the ship holding the one person they require to sign their treaty. No fighters are scrambled to Intercept.
>Jar Jar is brought along to Mos Espa despite being a huge liability that makes our group conspicuous.
>Qui-gon's plan to obtain a Nubian Hyperdrive is completely convoluted and takes up way too much time that he admittedly doesn't have.
>Qui-gon has numerous other options to get off Tatoonie or obtain the Nubian hyperdrive and uses none of them.
>C-3PO is built by Anakin. Another major contrivance in order to reintroduce a character from the OT.
>Midichlorians create a number of issues logistically while also removing the mysticism of the Force.
>There is no visual indication Naboo is suffering under the TF occupation.
>No one is aware of the Queen's location but the Queen's advisor is somehow able to send a message to her ship even though the TF is still jamming transmissions.
>Maul is somehow able to locate the Queen to Tatoonie without leads.
>The Jedi Council believes a 9 year old is too old to be trained.

>>221313846
Kill yourself boomer

>>221314515
cont.
>The TF has enough pull in the senate to prevent aid to Naboo but not enough to prevent tax increases.
>The queen and company are able to break through the blockade to land back on Naboo with no issue. They are able to land without the TF tracking them down.
>Sidious/Palpatine still pushes to have the TF capture the queen to sign the treaty despite having changed his plans and no longer requiring the TF any longer now that he is chancellor.
>Qui-gon brings a 9 year old to a warzone instead of leaving him with the Jedi Council or Gungans in the Swamp.
>Boss Nass makes Jar Jar a general despite knowing his propensity to cause trouble because he "made peace with the Naboo" the complete opposite of what a combat general is needed for.
>The queen's guard doesn't immediately start shooting at Maul when he shows up unarmed in the hanger.
>Anakin somehow destroys the TF control ship with no combat/flight experience and by complete luck.
>Maul allows Obi-wan to jump over him without even attempting to swipe at him. This is after letting Obi-wan dangle off the ledge without using the force to push him into the chasm.
>The Jedi Council allow Obi-wan to train Anakin despite having nothing but dangerous premonitions regarding the subject.

>>221314116
>Nobody has any idea how to decipher what your argument is here.
Speak for yourself double digit iq retard

>>221314546
NTA but the retard argued the Simpsons calling Michael Jackson one of the greatest pop icons was the same as actively saying he sucked. It was a shit argument and only ESL retards that only watch clips but can't understand the language would make the assumption the scene was insulting Jackson.

>>221314515
>doesn't understand the plot
>makes a load of retarded complaints that make no sense to people who paid attention

>>221313821

>>221314515
A lot of this is cinemasins bullshit, you're focussing too much on surface level bullshit when the movie's issues sit way deeper. Main issue being that the characters are a mess and basically all of them are underwritten to the point that it is hard to figure out wtf their personality even is. We have the main character tragically die at the end and it feels like I saw a complete stranger die because I still had no clue who tf that guy was after spending the whole damn movie with him.

Also the plot feels stupid because it is just a group of people escaping from Naboo, arriving at Coruscant and then achieving nothing there just to go back with the same group of people (+ a little kid that they take with them to a warzone) and somehow win this time. Half the movie feels kinda pointless because of this

>>221314593
go on then, refute one

>>221314515
>>221314530
>critiques that show the author is too stupid to understand the story, and the rest worthless pedantic chud ACKSHUALLY waffle that fails to understand storytelling in general
Posted like a true RLM manbaby

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>>221313821
I started watching Star Wars as a kid beginning at the age of eight or nine, starting with the original trilogy. Even as a kid I thought The Return of the Jedi was corny. I hated the Ewoks, I thought they were for babies. I hated that the movie used another death star. It felt unoriginal, like they just copied the idea from the first movie. I hated that the movie had the reveal that Vader was Luke and Leia's father. I started wondering if Vader knew it in the opening scene of Star Wars 1977.

Anyway, I loved Star Wars 1977 and Empire Strikes Back but I hated every Star Wars movie, cartoon, animation, and tv show ever since. RotJ opened my eyes to how much Star Wars is for babies and I could never unsee it.

>>221314691
I remembered loving RotJ as a kid and on a rewatch I realised I basically only remembered the raid on Jabba's palace and the confrontation with the emperor at the end, and my brain just chose to forget the middle stuff with the ewoks. I guess really I just liked Luke as a jedi and the Emperor

Feels like George was always trying to make Star Wars more kiddy after Empire, I don't know if it's to sell toys or if he changed his mind about who the target audience was, but even the Special Editions added a lot of slapstick humor and kiddy stuff to the films that didn't have them before

>>221314620
No anon those aren't surface level complaints. Those criticisms are actively engaging the narrative and asking pertinent plot relevant questions. Surface level complaints would be asking how Jar Jar can jump forty feet in the air or asking how the giant fish have enough food to sustain themselves. If anything retards that just accept everything at face value like you are the idiots incapable of moving past the surface level of the narrative.

>>221314644
How does questioning the logistics of the narrative prove you don't understand the story. In fact the only way these criticisms could exist is via understanding the narrative. I get the feeling most people making this claim actually don't know the plot to the prequels themselves because they can never refute the arguments.

>>221313821
75% of it is spent on some kid and podracing

I just hated how everything in the prequels had to connect with everything in the OT. Anakin building C3PO is so retarded that it alone ruins the film for me. As well as R2D2 being there.

>>221314515
Holy fucking autism. Is this really why people hated those movies lmao kek? Is this why boomers and Gen X handed Star Wars to feminist culture warriors on a silver platter? Fuck is wrong with you people

>>221314965
>NO YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THE STUPID SHIT PLOT BECAUSE...
>YOU JUST HAVE TO!

>>221314984
But enough about episodes 4-6

>>221314925
>Movie about the origins of one of the most important characters spends a lot of time on the origins of said character
Wow, how terrible.

>>221314133
Funny how the post you responded to never mentioned liking the prequels, you just chimped out and made the assumption. Almost as if your taste is waffer thin and cracks under the slightest resistance.
Also
>No argument
I accept your concession

>>221314873
You could make huge lists like this for any movie. Most of it ends up mattering very little if the fundamentals are strong enough.

I agree with some of your points though, some of them are unforgivable, but shit like them going through the planet core is just who cares. It's a fantasy world, its dramaticized

>>221314965
>Is this why boomers and Gen X handed Star Wars to feminist culture warriors on a silver platter?
Very delusional to think anyone other than George did this.

>>221314991
Why do prequel defenders need to tear down the OT and ST to defend their slop? I never see lovers of the OT put down either the prequels or the sequels when defending them. And I never see sequel haters even compare them to the prequels.

>>221315028
The planet core nonsense is literally used to explain how Qui-gon and Obi-wan beat the TF to the city of Theed. It is an important plot point sorry to say.

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>>221314965
Gen X dropped Star Wars after RotJ. Gen X was not interested in the prequels. Some of Gen X saw the prequels but the vast majority of them really couldn't care about those movies because Gen X was already husbanding wives, fathering children, advancing in their careers, and managing their financial investments. In other words, Gen X were severely adult. The prequels were made to capture millennials. To this day, the only people who care anymore about Star Wars are low-IQ, low-T, manbabby incel millennials.

>>221314991
>episode 4-6
Never heard of them. You mean Star War (1977), The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi?

>>221315087
>Star War (1977)
Never heard of a movie called Star War

>>221315053
Yeah your point being? It is a fantasy world where things might work differently than on Earth so who cares about it not being realistic or whatever

it really isnt. theres no tension at all, it's bland. i like the music in the prequels the best though, shame about the rest

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>>221315087
>>221315106
Star War

>>221315111
The fact no other planet in the entire series acts like that?

>>221315030
No. You don't get to backpedal on it now and pretend it didn't play a role. The rest of us were too young at the time to counterbalance this stupid ass shit

>>221315106
It's called a typo, you mong.

>>221315013
needed more jedi shit and you know it

>>221313821
because netflix and general mexiamerican retardation, mostly younger people, appproving current dogshit movies, make Phantom Menace seem amazing in comparison.

If you compare it to the average movie quality of its day, you will say its a bad movie.

>>221315123
It's a world with lots of different unique planets. Seriously this is the most "who cares" shit we could be argueing about. On the same level as "there is no sound in space"

>>221314900
Most of those critiques aren't even worthy of a response. They are midwit RLM tier pedantry and meaningless bullshit. Let's take the first one.
>The trade federation blockading a small planet of no worth to protest the taxation of their trade routes makes no sense. Especially when they have many other alternative solutions at their disposal.
First of all, why doesn't it make sense? Second, what are the alternatives at their disposal? You need to explain why so we can get an understanding of where you are coming from, or even if you understand what's happening which it doesn't seem like you do. You can't just make assertions without backing them up, it gives the other side nothing to go on and places a huge burden on them in a really arrogant and retarded way, which further makes you look like moron.

>>221313821
watch the RLM reviews

>>221315142
What is a mong? Did you mean mongoloid?

>>221314925
The podracing was kino thoughbeit, especially in theaters with the engine sounds blasting in your ears.

>>221315087
Besides your typo, the movies were called 4-6 from the very start so I don't understand what you're trying to be pedantic about

>>221315168
Seconding this, it's the best part of the movie

>>221313821
It's not better, you are just desensitized to shit. It's like patients with an illness that requires daily injections with a needle, at first most have real trouble especially if they have to do the injection themselves. But give it a few weeks and they do it with no hesitation or reaction, it's just become a daily routine like brushing your teeth in the morning.

>>221315203
Why would you brush your teeth in the morning? You already brushed them in the evening, it's not like you ate anything since then

>>221314215
Isn't the whole point of the Sith is that the master keeps ramping up the challenges the apprentice has to overcome?

>>221315173
Nope, Star Wars (1977) was not released with an episode number.

>look at what a contrarian independent thinker I am by jumping on the latest prequel praise bandwagon and posting the same shit everyone else is while pretending decades old criticism of a completely forgettable film is still a hot topic

>>221315245
>Star Wars 1977 was not released with an episode number.
>Star Wars 1977
>no episode number

Im done sharing this board with you troglodytes

>>221315221
You ever kissed anyone right after they woke up? Oh wait, what am I saying, this is /tv/ so of course you haven't....

>>221315293
N8 you can literally just look this up. When people plopped their asses in the theater in 1977 to see Star Wars, the opening crawl did not say "Episode IV: A New Hope".

It was named ep 4 (and George said there would be 9 episodes) when it was re-released after Empire
So it was like 4 years after release

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>>221313821
Ewan as young Obi-wan and Liam Neeson as Qui-gon are the only good things about it. Natalie Portman's acting and line delivery is so fuck bland, Jar Jar is annoying as fuck, someone needed to tell Lucas Jar Jar was a huge mistake but by that time Lucas was surrounded by yes-men. That is why Episodes 4 and 5 were so good, Gary Kurtz was the producer and was not a yes-man to Lucas, Kurtz told Lucas when he would make a horrible decision while making 4 and 5, along with Marcia Lucas, his wife during 4 and 5 who also pointed out George's stupidity on decisions and made those movies great.

>>221315293
Hes right though you moron . The original Star wars didnt have an episode number until a 1981 re release

>>221315342
Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford also refused to say their dialogue as it was written by Lucas and just made up their own lines

>>221315312
You are technically correct that calling them episodes was introduced in 1980 with the released of episode 5, and then the re-release of episode 4 in 81 added it there, so the idiot saying they were just called Star War (missing an S), The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi was wrong. They have been called episode 4, 5 and 6 since 1980 and would have been internally during production even before that.

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>>221315106
>>221315173
>>221315426
The original movie was released as just "Star War" though. The s was added later

>>221315156
>what are the alternatives at their disposal?
Lobbying the Senate to remove the Taxes
Upping their prices to make up for the taxes
Just not paying the taxes and seceeding
Literally all better than blockading a planet that isn't even effected by trade.

>>221315557
Do you know when the S was supposed to have been added, because I can't find any source at all that talks about it originally having been called Star War. Was it the extremely limited release when the studio had no faith in the project, but got fixed the moment it received real attention, or perhaps a misprint in one of the copies sent out?

>>221313842
You really think Jar Jar Binks is a cool character, faggot?

>>221315640
How the fuck would that put Palpatine in a position of sympathy making him dead on favourite to win an election? How the fuck would that make Chancellor Valorum look like a weak leader who is unable to deal with a member planet being blockaded making the other systems nervous and triggering said election? Fucking retard.

>>221313997
>>221313842
Red Letter Media is making you both look like cucked faggots. Please take a trip to Greenland.

>>221314096
>Look, here is image of thing. This proves my shitty logical fallacy to be true.

What a retarded thing to say.

>>221313821
Because xoomers thought that it was going to be a movie about Darth Vader killing everyone, and couldn't accept that Star Wars has always been a franchise meant for kids.

>>221315699
George Luca quietly changed the name in 77 when he realised it was going to be a succes and sequels would be made, so there would be multiple "wars" and not just a single "Star War"

>>221315846
>George Luca
kek nice one

>>221313821

Unscrupulous Trekkies and LOTR flamewars

>>221315025
>No argument

Isn't your whole thing about how Red Letter Media made everyone think the movies were shitty with the arguments they presented in their review videos?

Can't YOU come up with an argument for why they are good instead of just deflecting any and all criticism?

This is why you fail at everything in life.

>>221315803
>How the fuck would that put Palpatine in a position of sympathy making him dead on favourite to win an election?
It wouldn't, but that's the point. The TF doesn't need Palpatine's help.

>>221313821
You weren't there.

It was worse than everything which came before, just better than nearly everything since.

I remember its reception being so unexpectedly mediocre to George Lucas that it basically killed Star Wars in public until KotOR released four years later.

>>221314096
>parodying
Michael Jackson himself did the voice in an episode

>>221315846
But Lucas was always intending it to be more from the very beginning, the second draft was literally titled Adventures of the Starkiller, episode 1. In his first synopsis as he was creating the characters, it was called Journal of the Whils. From every source that comes when searching, it says the release title was Star Wars, changed from The Star Wars during post production.
I mean for gods sakes, the picture posted could easily just have been an edit, it's not like it's hard with current technology to just edit out the S at the end if you wanted to spread a fun lie. Are you sure you haven't just been tricked by .pgn labeled originalcrawl and just believed it outright?

>>221315883
It's Palpatine's plan to begin with whether you like it or not. The TF were stupid enough to be taken in by his bullshit and thought they could bully the Republic and legally take over and occupy and member planet from which they would build more wealth and power. If you can't understand this I don't know what to tell you, but all of your criticism of something quite obvious simply doesn't work.

>>221316020
*Journal of the Whil

Angry boomers were mad the prequels far surpassed their shitty childish movies

>>221315883
You suggestions keep them in a much weaker position than if they were the occupying force on an entire planet. The invasion and treaty made them legal rulers of Naboo which they could never have achieved alone without Sheev's intel and ability to advise and manipulate the various figures involved. Plus the fact he had the resources of a Sith Lord.

>>221313821
people hate it because
it's not like the OT
jar jar (fair point)
why are there political schemes and trade negotiations in muh pew pew lasers show

anyone got a link to the check 35mm scan of phantom menace? Love that worn grainy, 35mm look. I had it, but the external drive I had it on took a giant shit and died.

>>221316155
czech telecine*

>>221314965
>bruh it’s about vibes frfr prequels gotta aura blud

How did Anakin get the scar on his face prior to Part III

>>221316036
>>221316120
Holy shit guys, you're missing the forest for the trees. The issue is that Palpatine's plan isn't going to work because he has no real leverage on the Trade Federation. If the TF can simply raise their prices, lobby the senate, or just seceed (something that would also benefit Sidious btw) why the fuck would they need to ally with Sidious in the first place? That's the problem is that the blockade is a dumb plot point because it only serves Palpatine and there is no reasonable logic to the TF capitulating to this plan especially since Palpatine is reliant on the TF and their resources not the other way around. See this is the issue with you guys defending the prequels you takw literally every plot point at face value and never ask how these plot points work. The fact a hypothetical alternative is outside your capabilities of understanding really makes me question if you're capable of any sort of abatraction whatsoever.

>>221316170
Actually it was called the Check Republic back in '77 before George Lucas changed the name with the '84 rerelease

>>221316077
I see I have been tricked into participating in a totally le epic memes. Well played sirs, well played indeed.

>>221316131
I was young when it came out but from what I remember everyone hated jar jar and people were confused about the kid being young darth Vader. Should have cast someone 3-4 years older who didn’t look like such an innocent little cherub.
Besides that everyone loved the special effects and lightsaber battles. The Star Wars nerds shat all over it because it was the early 2000’s and the matrix had just come out and Gen X had just ruined American culture with grunge and MTV retardation so everyone had to be a know it all contrarian snob. Just a few years after this Seth rogen’s career went on a meteoric rise and that basically describes where film audiences were at the turn of the century.
The Bush era made everyone wanna be some kind of witty satirist.

>>221313821
Anakin being a magic Force baby was weird. When Shmi said "there was no father", I thought she was saying she was a whore or got raped.

>>221316322
Seriously dude how tf did you fall for this bullshit, I was just shitposting I wasn't even trying to sound convincing

>>221313821
Jar Jar is really fucking annoying on rewatches.

>>221316371
One of the absolute worst things that ever happened to Star Wars was making Anakin the center of the universe "he's force Jesus but evil". Zoomers will never understand how much better it was when Vader was just a fallen jedi who betrayed the order.

>>221316303
>why the fuck would they need to ally with Sidious in the first place?
As has been pointed out, he is a senator working with them from the inside.

>>221316492
Okay
1. Sidious never states he's a Senator ever to thr TF. Like ever
2. That is meaningless to tye TF who is established to have multiple Senate seats in their pockets as well as the Judiciary
Once again it doesn't make sense because Sidious cannot offer literally anything to the TF that they don't already have.

>>221316303
The blockade doesn't just serve Palpatine, and it's not just a blockade, it's an invasion and occupation. The TF had a treaty ready that would make them the legal rulers of Naboo if signed by the queen, essentially giving them their own planet and territory. Something you seem to be conveniently forgetting. Lobbying and debating shit in the Senate isn't anywhere near that level. You can say hurrr it sucks, but you simply prove again that you don't fully underatand what's going on.

>>221313821
Older fans (high school age and above) didn't expect do much screen time dedicated to childish humor for babies. The actual story wasn't bad if it had more time to breathe without the filler or idiot disposable robot fighters talking.

>>221316539
You don't know what Palpatine told them prior to the movie, and it's irrelevant to the maon story beats anyway. He clearly has resources as a senator from Naboo and as a Sith Lord and as such has a multitude of things to offer the TF that we could speculate on here.

>>221316482
No, him being force Jesus who got corrupted and turned evil is way cooler.

>>221316394
Was just too stupid for me not to realize it was stupidity for stupidities sake while I was doing other things. Did you create the fake screenshot yourself as well or just found it somewhere else?

>>221315783
You really want to suck MIke's cock from the back while he's pissing if you aren't already doing it?

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Anyone who dislikes the prequels and George Lucas is a brainless, tasteless subhuman faggot.

>>221316303
>If the TF can simply raise their prices
They probably have, but they're presumably also getting taxed to shit in the outlying systems, hence the opening crawl.
>lobby the senate
The senate is ineffective and tied up with bureaucracy, which is why when the Trade Federation eventually take matters into their own hands by besieging Naboo at the start of the movie, they're able to get away with it while the Senate is stalled with inaction.
>or just secede
They do this in the very next movie when all their other plans fail.
The entire justification for them going along with Palpatine's plan (as Sidious) is because he's offering them an alternative to dealing with the Senate - if they're too busy listen to your complaints, just do whatever the fuck you want in the Outer Rim, they won't do shit. The Jedi being sent to investigate comes as a surprise to all of them because they expected the usual Senate inaction to work in their favor.

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5 > 4 > 6 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 7 > 9 > 8

Prove me wrong

>>221316829
chatGPT. I get not knowing wether people on 4chan are being retarded or trolling because people here often really are THAT fucking retarded, but then this was a little too ridiculous and "George Luca" really gave it away

>>221315640
>the Senate will barely raise a finger to stop one of their member systems from being outright invaded
>just lodge a complaint with them bro I'm sure they'll get to it eventually
Fuck that, easier to just carve your own mini-empire out in the boonies.

>>221316777
No.
The funny thing is the prequels are often praised for explanding the universe of Star Wars. Yet, making Anakin the center of the universe and doing all this prophecy shit was the most restricting and universe shrinking thing that has ever happened to Star Wars.

To this day we are still feeling it's impact greatly. They even call the 9 main films "the skywalker saga".

>>221314159
My dad liked it. My dad likes SW more than I do, in fact.

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>>221316352
>I was young when it came out but from what I remember everyone hated jar jar
Those are implanted memories from gen x dorks making fun of it years later for "raping their childhood". You can go and look at the historical data and you'll see that most people loved Jar Jar before political correctness made it bad to laugh at a racist caricature.

>>221317041
Disneyfags are the only ones who call that shit "The Skywalker Saga" and that's just because they're desperate to tie the sequel abortions to the rest of the movies.
Kind of hard to take it seriously when there isn't even a single Skywalker left alive by the start of the last movie.

>>221316233
>How did Anakin get the scar on his face prior to Part III
Thanks for nothing, fags

>>221313821
>wait till Kenner stops making Star Wars toys
>gain full control over the toy rights again
>rush out three toy commercials disguised as movies
>wonder why they aren’t very good
Kek

>>221314082
Even by 2002 the Simpsons had highly boomery and often bizarre takes on things.

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>>221316900
>farts on you

>>221313821
RLManchild revisionism

>>221317019
I thought all the other times you deliberately left out an s was to make fun of Star Wars, if it originally didn't have it. It read as mocking the franchise, not your original troll.

>>221317148
how wude...

>>221314450
Holy shit the SIMPSONS?

>>221316303
Sheev wasn't working with the Trade Federation in any official capacity. He didn't own stock in their company or anything like that. He was simply manipulating Nute Gunray first with promises to help him, and then through fear and intimidation if he ever tried to back out of their relationship.

>>221316621
Yeah, almost like that was pertinant information nimrod

>>221313821
Im tired of this whole "prequels are actually good movies" meme. phantom menace is a boring children's movie and watching it as an adult you get nothing out of it

>>221316571
>it's not just a blockade, it's an invasion and occupation.
That was never the intent of the TF and they are shocked when Sidious suggests it.
>The TF had a treaty ready that would make them the legal rulers of Naboo if signed by the queen,
Cool a contract signed under duress is never going to be accepted the TF should no this.
>essentially giving them their own planet and territory
Was never the original intent of the blockade.
>Something you seem to be conveniently forgetting.
Not forgetting. You seem to be forgetting key plot points retard.
>Lobbying and debating shit in the Senate isn't anywhere near that level.
They literally do this to keep an investigation of Naboo from happening later in the fillm
>You can say hurrr it sucks, but you simply prove again that you don't fully underatand what's going on
Nigger I apparently know more about the plot than you do. Try rewatching the movie and pay attention this time.

The prequels are mediocre movies. They're not the crimes against humanity that RLM manbabys make them out to be. Episode 3 is the best of the pack. The sequels suck ass and RLM are fucking frauds for saying ep 7 is "serviceable". I rewatched 1 last week and if you cut out jar jar entirely the movie improves dramatically. 8 year old anakin was a mistake, it should have been Hayden from the start.
5 > 4 > 3 > 6 >1 > 2 > 7 > dogshit > 8 > 9

>>221317301
Judging that one of the first things we see him say to them is
>I will make it legal
you can extrapolate that he's probably told them that their assistance will lead to him usurping power from the current Senate. It's not a tremendous leap in logic.

>>221313821
Cause it's a shitass movie and you thought liking the memes it spawned means having to like the actual trashfire of a movie.

>>221313821
the plot is bad, the acting is stiff and the dialogue is cringe. It has a good score and a few memorable action scenes but its still by far the worst of the original 6 star wars movies:
1. empire strikes back
2. a new hope
3. return of the jedi
4. revenge of the sith
5. attack of the clones
6. phantom menace

>ugh the prequels are lame kiddie slop with their boring politics and Shakespearean themes
>midget furries beating high tech empires with sticks and stones, now that's real adult kino

>>221314215
every aspect of the plot in this movie is like this. if you think about anything thats happening for more then 2 seconds it just falls apart because none of it makes any sense.

>>221317000
>They probably have, but they're presumably also getting taxed to shit in the outlying systems, hence the opening crawl.
Nice headcanon
>The senate is ineffective and tied up with bureaucracy, which is why when the Trade Federation eventually take matters into their own hands by besieging Naboo at the start of the movie, they're able to get away with it while the Senate is stalled with inaction.
Dude the movie literally shows the TF using the bureaucracy to their advantage to stall investigation into the Naboo invasion. They can do that but not indefinitely stop a vote on tax hikes or buy enough votes to stop it?
>They do this in the very next movie when all their other plans fail.
It should literally have been the first film's plot since it's the main conflict of the fucking trilogy
>The entire justification for them going along with Palpatine's plan (as Sidious) is because he's offering them an alternative to dealing with the Senate - if they're too busy listen to your complaints, just do whatever the fuck you want in the Outer Rim, they won't do shit. The Jedi being sent to investigate comes as a surprise to all of them because they expected the usual Senate inaction to work in their favor.
Damn it's like seceeding does all of this and further's Sidious's plan. Once again making all other fucking options like a gay blockade pointless.

>>221317400
the ewoks and the second death star in return of the jedi were the first cracks in star wars as a franchise. everything went downhill after that

>>221317372
>You will make it legal? HOW?
>uhmmmm
>We literally own the senate and the Judiciary Sidious, how you gonna make the Judiciary rule something we cant?
>uhmmmm
>fuck off Sidious we're stopping this fruitless blockade and just rising our prices.

>>221314215
I'm pretty sure Maul was trying to kill the two jedi and kidnap Anakin so Sheev could train him as a Sith.

obi wan and qui gon should have been combined into one character, called obi wan

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>>221317418
>nice headcanon
It's literally in the opening text crawl, faggot. The Trade Federation are blockading Naboo because they're fed up with trying to deal with Senate bullshit.
>Dude the movie literally shows the TF using the bureaucracy to their advantage to stall investigation into the Naboo invasion. They can do that but not indefinitely stop a vote on tax hikes or buy enough votes to stop it?
The whole point is to show that the Senate is ineffective, so yes. They clearly don't have enough power in the Senate to swing a vote or push for change, so they're resorting to drastic measures.
>It should literally have been the first film's plot since it's the main conflict of the fucking trilogy
Fair, but the trilogy wouldn't make any sense if Palpatine's already in power at the start of it and suddenly decides "hey let's be an evil empire now you guys".
>Damn it's like seceeding does all of this and further's Sidious's plan. Once again making all other fucking options like a gay blockade pointless.
Seceding/forming the CIS while Valorum was still in power would defeat the entire purpose of Palpatine propping them up. Palpatine needs to become Supreme Chancellor before they become a larger threat so that he can push for emergency powers and take full control of the Republic. He can't do that if he's still just a senator, Valorum would get the power instead.
This isn't difficult to understand.

>>221317450
>We literally own the senate and the judiciary
Except they don't, they can't push through their required changes in the senate which is why they're resorting to cooperating with Sidious.

>>221317301
There's nothing pertinent about it, it's largely irrelevant detail that can be explained through totally pointless speculation. The movie tells us everything important we need to know. The TF is trying to occupy a planet in the belief it will strengthen their position with the Senate and lead to greater power and wealth, while a shadowy figure (who is obviously the Emperor from the OT) is pulling the strings as it become increasingly obvious he is leading them on for his own gain. Any SW fan worth a shit should find that interesting. The likes of RLM have decided they don't like the prequels for reasons that are probably not clear even to themselves and desperately try to find fault after the fact through bad faith, irrational nitpicking and straight up artistic ignorance.

>>221317526
The opening crawl never states this is the last option of the TF, shut the fuck up. You're literally pullinh headcanon bullshit from your ass and claiming a vague sentence in the crawl supports it.
>The whole point is to show that the Senate is ineffective, so yes. They clearly don't have enough power in the Senate to swing a vote or push for change, so they're resorting to drastic measures.
They literally show later in the film the opposite. The TF is able to use the Senate to stop the investigation of the Invasion how the fuck can't they stop a vote on tax hikes?
>Fair, but the trilogy wouldn't make any sense if Palpatine's already in power at the start of it and suddenly decides "hey let's be an evil empire now you guys".
Hey maybe have the vote of no confidence because Valorum let the TF seceed? Oh wow just fixed the movie with one fucking change. You're welcome.
>Seceding/forming the CIS while Valorum was still in power would defeat the entire purpose of Palpatine propping them up.
Absolutely not. It Absolutely works into Palp's plans. The TF seceeding makes Valorum look weak and need for a new Chancellor. God damn you prequel tarda are fucking dumb as shit.

>>221317540
The movie literally shows the opposite. Or do you not remember them using the judiciary to stop the Senate from investigating Naboo's claims of invasion? Oh right you didn't because you actually didn't pay attention to the boring politics scenes.

>>221313821
Gen x nerds and critics

>>221317593
>The TF is trying to occupy a planet in the belief it will strengthen their position
Occupation wasn't the goal. The TF are shocked by this suggestion by Sidious. Watch the fucking movie.

>>221317198
Yeah stop defending just take the L man. Just say you are a stinky retard with poop in his head who poops everywhere

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>>221313821
boomers are terrible with visual poetry.

>>221317619
They're able to push through an inquiry commission to buy time for an invasion on some backwater planet in the middle of fucking nowhere that nobody else in the senate cares about. If they just showed up and went
>hey fuckers we're raising prices
>uh yeah I agree we should do that
>motion passed, suck my dick
there'd be more pushback, as seen in the overwhelming support that Amidala has in the very same scene where she calls out their bullshit and pushes for a vote of no confidence in Valorum because he's spineless and corrupt.

>set up darth jar jar then abandon it because audience didn’t like him
Cowardly George

heres the real story of what happened: everyone liked the original star wars trilogy. then in 1997 lucas re released the movies in theaters with updates in the special editions, which started dividing fans. then the prequels came out and while they all made money and got decent reviews, the general public came to view them as disappointing and not as good as the original trilogy. then a decade went by when everyone thought star wars was done. it was during this period after revenge of the sith and before disney bought star wars that the true hatred of the prequels came from. fast forward to now when everyone hates the disney sequels and you get millennials and zoomers who are nostalgic for the prequels that seem not as bad compared to 7, 8 and 9

>>221317599
See >>221317706
Stopping a vote on galactic taxes would require a lot more support than some useless bullshit happening over on fucking Windows XP Default Background Planet.
Also letting the TF secede before Palpatine has power wouldn't work.
>oh shit a third of the galaxy just broke off from the Republic and declared war
>Valorum immediately declares emergency powers
The senate would have no ability to vote him out at that point. Palpatine would be an idiot to risk playing his biggest trump card before he's guaranteed to benefit from it.

>>221317695
ripping off scenes from old movies doesnt deserve praise. the podrace is just a sci fi rip off of the ben hur chariot race

>>221317776
>>Valorum immediately declares emergency powers
You realize Valorum can't declare emergency powers right? It takes a senate vote. Oh wait you dumbasses don't pay attention to the political scenes in AOTC either! This is why I can't stand prequeltards. They literally don't remeber the plot of the movies they defend.

>>221317706
Wait wait so you're now admitting that the blockade is a toothless show of force and wouldn't get the taxes removed thereby proving the point that the blockade is stupid and pointless? Thanks anon I knew that already.

>>221317842
Okay, so he calls for a vote and gets it because of the extreme situation, same as Palpatine did.
By your logic, why wouldn't they immediately call for a vote of no confidence on Palpatine, if he was elected to stop all the corruption in the Senate and then ended up dealing with the CIS instead?

>>221317886
No he fails because no one is giving emergency powers to the retard that let a secessionist movement occur under his watch without retaliation.

>>221317695
>stealing things from people who are dead so they can't sue
Lucas is shit

>>221317865
Holy shit anon, learn to read. The blockade and subsequent invasion is done precisely because the Trade Federation (heavily influenced by Sidious) think they can get away with it, because the Senate is so incredibly inactive and mired in bureaucracy that they need to do an inquiry and a commission and all sorts of other bullshit before even lifting a finger, and the Trade Federation senators and bureaucrats (the latter of which, as we see in later movies, are actually working for Palpatine) play into this by pushing for those actions as soon as the opportunity arises.
The TF is at the point where they don't give a shit about the Senate because they just want to control Naboo, and if they can get away with subjugating Naboo then they can probably do it with other planets as well.

>>221317350
How fucking dumb are you? Yet again, you have no idea what's happening in the movie. The invasion was clearly intended from the start. If you are trying to claim that Gunray asking 'is this legal' as surprise, then you are even more retarded than I thought. Especially since he is responding to Sidious saying, 'we must accelerate our plans' and the fact he has brought an entire fucking invasion force with them. You have no appreciation or understanding for storytelling and exposition.
>Cool a contract signed under duress is never going to be accepted the TF should no this.
Lmao so you're totally ignorant on human history too.
>Was never the original intent of the blockade.
Ignoring the fact the invasion is referred to as the intended plan that needs to be accelerated, and the invasion force there ready to go. Cool.
>Not forgetting. You seem to be forgetting key plot points retard.
Empty posturing to distract from the fact your critiques are laughable and you are losing badly.
>They literally do this to keep an investigation of Naboo from happening later in the fillm
Very weak and totally irrelevant to the point being made. If anything this proves MY point. The Senate being useless, bogged down with red tape and bureaucracy makes progress there impossible and the TF turn it around and use it to their advantage when they circumvent it with military action.
>Nigger I apparently know more about the plot than you do. Try rewatching the movie and pay attention this time.
That's cute talk when all your entire post did was try to claim the invasion wasn't the original plan when it clearly was. Faggot.

>>221317643
They aren't shocked at all, you are imagining things. Watch the movie.

phantom menace is terrible. end of discussion

>>221313846
You got raped and lost, Mike :-^)

>>221318259
Phantom menace is terrible. So it really puts it into perspective when it looks like a masterpiece next to the Disney trilogy.

>>221318474
it doesnt look good. another movie also being bad doesnt make phantom menace any better

>>221318492
No it does. If we're rating everything from a 1 to 10 the more actual 1s there are like the Disney trilogy, the better real movies with actual effort look by comparison.

If you don't understand the plot of this movie you are retarded

>>221313821
You've been dealing with huge piles of horse shit for so long that when you see a little pile of dog shit your brain registers it as progress and not just another pile of shit you have to get through.

>>221317974
>Ignores the TF don't think they can get away with an invasion and immediately want to cave to the Jedi and only do it precisely because Sidious tells them to.
Fucking retards really don't watch the movie they defend.

>>221318633
the plot is a giant waste of time. the clone wars should have started in the first movie, instead theres this pointless trade dispute on naboo thats pointless other then it gave sheev power he wanted.

>>221318005
>Ignoring the fact the invasion is referred to as the intended plan that needs to be accelerated, and the invasion force there ready to go. Cool.
Show the scene this is stated anon. Do it I fucking dare you. You won't find it

>>221314450
And as we all know The Simpsons™ is an arbiter on what constitutes quality.

The shit you fags will say.

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>>221316777
It would have been, if it made sense. The Jedi not trusting him and not giving him the rank of Master, OK. Same with Padme nightmares. But it’s so clumsy, the Darth Plagueis story is ridiculous, anyone would’ve asked him to be more specific like “Can you cite some sources on how the Sith can extend life?” One second he’s struggling between stopping Windu or Palpy, and the next he’s fine with killing children. But the first time he told Padme he killed children, she’s fine with it, now she’s mad. Then he declares “from my point of view the Jedi are evil” without elaborating. None of it makes any sense. There’s a point to be made for unelected space wizards hitting people they don’t like with swords being “evil” but he never makes his case.

>>221313821
Because all Star Wars fans need to be euthanized.

>>221318474
notice how every defence of the prequels has some kind of deflection to disney
if the prequels were good they would be able to be defended on their own

>>221314146
>After many scandals involving jedi and young padawans, the church cannot have jedi paying for children on the books
That's literally the only way they ever recruit anyone.

>>221318815
>phantom menace is terrible
>anon thinks I'm saying the movie is good
Anon.. Just admit you're upset somebody said a bad thing about Disney and move on.

>>221318829
Remind me how Monkeypox spread

>>221318683

The fact that Sheev uses this to get the power he wanted is the most important part of the whole thing. It could not have more of a point. That's like saying that the duel with Vader in ESB was pointless except for the reveal that Vader was Anakin.

>>221318685

So the TF pulled up with an invasion force but it wasn't the plan to use it? The invasion ships were all ready to go and the droids were loading onto transports prior to the first discussion between Nute and the Queen.

>>221318962
>So the TF pulled up with an invasion force but it wasn't the plan to use it?
Yeah that's what blockades do dumbass.

>>221313821
I rewatched TPM after not seeing it in about 15 years
if it wasn't Star Wars or had a huge budget, it'd be another forgettable B-tier scifi movie
plot was dumb, script and dialogue was mediocre
could've been a Canon film if canon had survived

>>221318978

You don't need a ground invasion to enforce a blockade of space. When in the movie do they say that it wasn't the plan? When did Sidious tell them they need to invade?

>>221318990
That was my impression when I rewatched it not long ago. The pacing is also really fucked outside of the Tattooine segment, it moves at breakneck speed with virtually no stops outside of that bit

>>221319043
As soon as they tell them the Jedi arrive fuckwit. Watch the damn movie.
>hurdur why does the droid security force have droids on it?
Damn dude I guess all those soldiers on Blockade vessels are completely unnecessary.

>>221319043
>Nigga was asked to supply the scene where the TF say their plan is to invade from the get go
>Can't find it so he tells the other guy to find the movie scene instead
Lmao

>>221318990
>>221319046
The visuals is what makes the movie. The pacing only works in its favor too, keeps the spectacle going. The other two prequels slow down more and it becomes unbearable because then you can't really escape from the terrible stuff as easily anymore, I found TPM pretty bearable in comparison because it is just this fast paced action-adventure movie instead of whatever the fuck Attack Of The Clones thought it was

>>221319075
>we must accelerate our plans
>begin landing your troops
In the first 5 minutes

>>221318685
It's in the first 5 minutes kiddo

>>221319109
>My lord is that legal?
Like how you cut out the literal next line that disproved your fucking bullshit

>>221319063
>>221319075

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DARTH SIDIOUS: This turn of events is unfortunate. We must accelerate our plans, Viceroy.
Begin landing your troops.

Accelerate the plans, meaning that it was the plan but they just need to work faster.

>>221314853
explain ROTS then

>>221319147
>My lord is this legal?
So why the fuck would he ask this if the TF's plan was always invasion? Oh right because it was Palpatine's plan and the TF had no idea invasion was on the table. Congrats you disproved you're own gay argument.

>>221319198

So? the trade federation are naturally cowardly and were ready to pack it up as soon as two jedi arrived. Was the original plan to bitch out as soon as they face any opposition? They fret at actual action but that doesn't mean it wasn't what the plan was, or else they wouldn't have brought an entire army equipped to occupy a planet.

>>221319142
>>221319198
Doesn't disprove anything, you just want it to. He can ask that question and still be aware of the plan beforehand. Sidious calls it 'our plans' and tells him bluntly to land the troops without any explanation.

>>221314515
Good post. Prequelfags love sniffing their own farts thinking that liking the political plot in the prequels makes them smart yet when people critically engage with that plot they have no rebuttals and just start saying "don't think about it bro".

>>221319194
trying too hard to course correct from jarjar and the glorified gi joe bullshit of aotc

>>221319234
>>221319254
Guys when the fuck would you ever ask the legality to a plan while you were in the midst of it? Are you seriously telling me a guy well aware he's going to commit a driveby is going to ask the driver if what they're about to do is legal? For fuck sake just use You're god damn brain for about five seconds. I know this is hard for you guys but please try.

>>221317123
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>>221314519
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>>221316102
Hating your own parents isn’t nearly as common as your buddies on leddit told you it is, dumb tranny.

>>221319336
Hating your grandparents, however, is.

>>221319334

If you're naturally a huge coward getting cajoled into action by someone you fear I could totally see it.

>>221319291
It's a midwit struggling to understand a child's scifi story and regurgitating rlm's own midwit takes. Huurrrr it makes no sense isn't an argument, and showing you simply don't understand what's going on when you try to justify your confusion doesn't work very well either.

>>221313821
the prequels were a huge disappointment
they just seem decent by comparison to the disney sequels which are completely unredeemable

>>221319334
Bad faith, retarded argument and a false equivalency. Murder is obviously illegal. Political power plays are a little more complicated. Another thing a retard like you will miss is that dialogue is also giving the viewer information, something even George Lucas understands very well. Everything being said, especially in the opening minutes is not just telling you what is happening, but who everyone is, how they relate to each other, power dynamics etc. These aren't two people talking down in your local town hall, dipshit, they are spouting plot and exposition.

>>221319441
Yet everytime you faggots claim to have an answer it'd literally just
>Palpatine did it
As if no other characters have any sort of autonomy to make their own decisions, backstab him, or simply say they don't want a part in his plans.

That isn't an explanation. It's literally cowering from questioning because you just accept whatever the author wrote without question.

>>221319519
Invading a planet isn't illegal?
It's pretty obvious the TF is completely confused by this request especially given one of Gunray's subordinates literally says they don't want any part in this.

Don't try throwing a bad faith argument while claiming someone else is doing so.

>>221319580
No, landing troops on a planet isn't necessarily illegal in of itself. A drive-by shooting, where you drive-by in a car shooting a gun at people is highly illegal in all circumstances.