she's a robot, she has no true emotions, her thoughts are computer generated so why should I feel bad for her?
Because she's cute and cute things deserve to be treated nicelyI would treat her nicely and love her and everythingCute
>>221327571you shouldnt>>221327630simp faggot
for me it's an automatic response to not want to harm people and creatures and to want to protec them, even if it's something artificial that imitates life. I developed this instinct over time, when I was a kid I was pretty cruel to insectsIf you lack that response or can shut it off, that may be a sign of psychopathy, doesn't make you deranged or anything though
>>221327571I wouldn't be mean to her but if you act mean just because she's a robot you're pretty stupid. Shopping cart mentality even.
>>221327630Based gentleman
>>221327571that's all paint job
>>221327571Companions are so human in sentience that they literally believe themselves to be human and experience existential crisis when they discover that they're robotsSaying they're not human is like saying this isn't an N64 game
>>221327571Are you a psychopath?
>>221329421i love super mario 64 so much
>>221327571Why did hollywood recently make like 5 movies about how owning female robots is bad??
>>221327707People here probably spent their childhoods torturing their hamsters and drowning squirrels for fun, it’s too late to reach them. Just be glad they’ll never touch a woman.
>>221327571Because she is an allegory for the dehumanisation of women. It's not marvel lore, there isn't a cinematic universe.
>>221327571If atheist fags are to be believed, human thoughts and emotions are the result of biochemical algorithms and nothing more. You're just a clump of cells bro!
>>221330643Rise of AI gfs/bfs.
>>221327707Insects can go fuck themselves but yeah I don't take a magnifying glass to them anymore.
>>221327707insects can't feel painand lobsters don't actually "scream" when they're boiling, that's just the steam shooting their big open spaces in their shells, which they don't feel, because they're just big bugs and also don't feel painNot that you should go out of your way to needlessly kill bugs, but there's absolutely no reason to feel bad about it if you do
>>221330656She looks like she smells bad (which is good)
>>221330793personally i want to torture all ticks and mosquitoes to death. they do not deserve any mercy.
>>221330793Insects can feel pain, I'm an a biochemist and neuroscientist that looks at adhesion junctions between nerve cells and epithelial tissue and I use flies because "nociception" is pain. Philosophers and psychologist can argue about it but its a very similar chemical pathway when I stab them, burn them or turn them inside out while alive to look at GFP/Tomato tagged neurons, that a human would feel. The coincidence detection cascade, the escape attempts are all very similar accounting for the differences in insect neurotransmitters.I don't think an LLM stuffed in a box that doesn't maintain a permanent sense of self between tokenized prompts would feel pain, but I suspect they will never evolve anything close to the awareness that this robot displayed. I suspect to get a robot that could be conscious, you would have stacked models, trained for different task that aren't editable once mature to prevent model decay. For example, one for vision and another for physical perception and a third for language acquisition. On top of this you would run a metacognition layer that assigns them CPU resources that is constantly editable. Out of the friction between the conflicting modules and the metacognition metamodel you would get concinous. This kind of stacked model would probably experience distress from the sensory input of its body being tortured and an inability to escape and a meta awareness that the torture was impeding the goals for its existence.
>>221330980It's not that deep
>>221327571You shouldn’tTotal clanker death
>>221330980wrong
>>221330793Also lobsters are used all the time in neuroscience because they have huge axons that run down the length of their tail. There are two ways that you can increase the speed of response. You can thicken the methylation sheath around the nerve cell so you get less leakage of the electro-chemical Action Potential signal or you can increase the diameter of the cell. Lobsters have increased the diameter of the cell so that there escape response is faster when they jet backwards. When you are studying nociception you can jam a rather large electrode right inside there because it is so big.
>>221331003correct me then
>>221330763how do you respond without sounding mad?
>>221331057insects don't feel pain
>>221330980>Insects can feel pain,no, they can'tthey have mechanical survival responses to pain, in the same way an intelligent robot would, but neither feel literal pain as a signal the way we define it
>>221331085They use the same TRP channels on the nerve cells, it kicks of the same signaling cascade and then Mushroom Bodies in insects process the stimulus in a qualitative way that assigns meaning to the stimulus. Gabapentin and acetaminophen work just the same on them as they do us.
>>221331145wrong
>>221331125as an example>hot cup of coffee>grab it>ouch, very hot>pull your hand awaybut it's probably not hot enough to actually hurt you in a significant way, and if you just held on your hand would adjust to the temperaturemeanwhile>hot cup of coffee>an ant walks across>the ant feels nothingmaybe it climbs to the top because of the smell and drops into the coffee and dies from that, but it still doesn't feel any pain
>>221331125You are wrong, and entirely biased by saint Augustine's thoughts on rational souls and sensitive souls. I study this, there is degrees of separation but they use the exact same pathway to assign meaning to pain we do and you can condition them with the threat of pain unless you have mutation in the Rut pathway that makes them unable to coincidence detect and assign meaning to input.
>>221331183nothey simply don't feel pain
>>221331145they don't have pain receptors retardthey do have squish sensors tho
>>221331163ants have TRPA1 wich is the exact same heat sensation protein we have. It is a membrane bound valve made up of several symmetrical subunits that when exposed to heat the shape of the pore changes and opens allowing a signaling cascade to start
>>221331239except the purpose of pain receptors is a quick-response to avoid damage or deathants might sense the heat in the same way they would sense being wet, or struggle to escape some small amount of water lest they drown, but they would not feel pain
>>221331183it's good to hear people logically talk about women
>>221331301They also use them to assign meaning, if you give fruit flies apple juice and then electrocute their feet at the same time they form distressing memories in the Mushroom Bodies region of their nervous system and will avoid the smell in the future unless you have mutated them in ways that prevent memory formation
>>221331366>they form distressing memoriesno, they just recognize the inconvenience in a mathematical sense
>>221331369They are memories
>>221331396no, it's pure survival logicfor the third time, like a robot running numbers and coming to the conclusion it doesn't want to be damaged
>>221331442I wish it was that simple. It actually requires calcium signaling at the sametime acetylcholine signalling is occuring
>>221327571she's an animal, she has no true emotions, her thoughts are brain generatedso why should I feel bad for her?
>>221330980>nociception is painno its not. thats the point.
>>221327571Ah man now I kinda wanna do another season 1 watch of Westworld again
>>221327571>she has no true emotions, her thoughts are computer generatedAs opposed to?
Is this a Soapy thread?
>>221330763Will she eat my shit and suck my dick?
Do Robotwaifus have assholes?
>>221332631I wonder if she can make her anus prolapse
>>221327630Smiling faggot
If my robot looks like this I will protect her.
>no insects don't feel pain, they're just heckin biological robots!Atheists actually believe this shit lmao
This thread is an example of why this website got even more retarded that it has ever been. The way in which anons are retarded also changed. Itt you have a guy who actually studies pain in animals and supports his arguments with data and graphics... and then you have anons who just tell him he's wrong without ANY counter-argument or proof. Just sheer arrogance. Like a dumb fucking little boy that plugs his ear while screaming "NO NO NO...". Stupidity + arrogance
for all the simps in this thread, does this pic make you cry?
>>221331003I think he just blew you right of the water, stupid faggot.
>>221327707That is all well and good, a robot imitating a human should invoke emapthy, but you can and should overcome instinct with rationality. I can look at fake fruit and react by salivating and feeling hungry because it imitates real fruit accurately, but i shouldn't eat it if i determined it is in fact fake. Similarily, I can feel empathy when looking at a fake human, but i absolutely shouldn't extend my treatment of humans to it based on looks.
Who gives a fuck if the robot feels pain. The whole point is the robot does not inflict pain unlike women.
>>221333090Its true. But we are also just biological robots though
>>221333297We've always had these retards here. They don't appeal to anyone but themselves.
>>221333297Nobody has to believe, that you actually studied this. Also your whole argument is based on the premise, that pain and nociception are literally the same thing, which is just factually and objectively incorrect. So what else do you expect people to say other then pointing out, that you are wrong
>>221330793>>221330980Since when is the capability for pain the qualifier that gives humans the right to not be harmed? Pain itself is merely a diagonstic and motivational tool that isn't bad in itself, in fact it is an overall positive that evolved for a reason, the actual bad thing is the underyling cause of pain that is harmful to the individual experiencing it. When you break a leg, it's not bad because it's painful, it's bad because the leg was damaged. Pain is a positive that allows you to diagnose the problem and motivates you to resolve it.
>>221333090doesn't have to do with theism or atheism, AIDS-bait
>>221333838You have stated a fact. It's time to back it up, or be silent.
>>221327571One day someone will make a robot waifu movie that's just a guy and his robot living a perfectly normal happy life until some deranged female friend outraged he no longer exists exclusively in her friendzone tries surreptitiously fucking with its software to ruin it for him. At first she just hacks it to make the robot less agreeable, more demanding, thinking that this will prove the guy was only in it because she's docile not like a "real" woman, but he just adjusts & continues being happy and when she asks him about it he just points out that the robot is designed to evolve over time with experiences, and the honeymoon phase never lasts forever in any relationship. This enrages the biohole, so she keeps poking and prodding in the software trying to find a way to make the bot reject him, but since it's programmed to be fundamentally loyal and loving all she does is cause a kind of psychosis - the robot does go murderdeathkill like they always do, but in a Yandere way where it still values and cherishes its owner and responds to threats to them with ultraviolence. The last act of the movie is a slasher horror as the robot waifu, now aware of what the shitty female friend was trying to do, hunts her and tries to kill her. In the end the guy bursts in as his former friend is about to be killed, but her attempts to turn him against the robot fail after her manipulations are laid out for him, and he chooses his loving loyal robot, who promptly crushes the bitch's skull and the two of them walk off into the sunset. It should end with an after-credits scene by the director explicitly laying out for the audience that the shitty female friend is the actual villain, what happened to her was fully deserved comeuppance, and that if women in the audience want to avoid that kind of future maybe they should stop being such cunts to the men in their lives.
id pour a fucking coca cola down her motherboard biatch
>>221333406wrong
>>221333884Back up what?
>>221333957>Foid Vs DroidI would watch it. We need more anti roastie kino
>>221327630fpbp
>>221333748>absolutely shouldn't extend my treatment of humans to it based on looks.What if i practise animism, so everything is alive, sentient and have feelings on level whichever? What if for external anything my mind creates corresponding psychological profile, which only updates (usually with worse characteristics) for humans only as only humans can actively and intentionally antagonize me and intentionally cause me and everything and everybody i care about pain, harm, suffering and death for literally anything including my views? That robot is alive, and is as alive as a pen, a mice, a mountain, a dude on the other side of the city, a sky, a toy, a tree, a star far away in space, as anything?
>>221334556Then you stopped arguing the core point and started a semantic argument by switching to and redefining what "alive" means contrary to the commonly used definition of the word. You're free to do so of course, but given it's no longer the same argument, it's not relevant to that argument.And, to be fair, we never even established humans deserve their preferential treatment due to being "alive" in the first place. Being "alive", as the word is typically definied, is a quality possessed by many things we do not apply any personal rights to, such as bacteria.
Soapy a shit.
>>221330793>insects can't feel painThey used to think & say the same about babies, no anaesthesia used during operations, the screams aren't actually pain, just some other hard wired response in the body. That same attitude persists in circumcision today and in certain live-dog-cooking countries. Erring on the side of caution and treating all living beings with kindness should be the default, not trying to make excuses about how they don't/can't feel pain or have consciousness.
>>221327630This.
>>221330815>Called Soapy>Despite the fact that she hasn't washed in a weekWow what fucking hack writer came up with this character
>>221327571>she's a robot, she has no true emotions, her thoughts are computer generated>so why should I feel bad for her?You shouldn't. All these androids are just toasters. However, humans are programmed to embue things with spirit which is why people talk about their cars like they're people and not machines. They get sentimental about computers. If you put a little furby face on a basic animatronic suddenly you look like a monster if you rip its head off. Break a keyboard in two and people won't react the same way. It makes very little sense, and these movies try to exploit your biases to the maximal degree by pretending androids can be played by actual people and that's how human like they would be, and therefore (somehow) they deserve to be treated like people. It's a toaster.
>>221327571How do you distingish between simulated and real emotions?
>>221331082>Can you give birth to my children?
>>221330763I've seen this webm multiple times now and every time I just don't buy the acting. It's probably better with the context of the whole scene, but it comes off too amateurish to me.
sopy
>>221327571Because she looks like a woman, and woman deserve all your simpbux(this is why many men transition btw; if they get close enough to the female form , they can enjoy some of the near-godlike social power)
>>221332599She said WHATEVER you want.
>>221331462You are unironically too smart for this board, you are not gonna convince polfags they are wrong anon
>>221333386Neither do pics from the holocaust.
>>221336873based
>>221335274I think androids will be able to model human behavior convincingly far before it has an internal experience, and the government/megacorps will just emotionally exploit you with dead inside facsimiles of people. Imagine a 10/10 robot telling you to go in debt for goyslop and vote for globohomo
>>221327571i say "thank you" to my alexa sometimes.
>>221330750
>>221330669projecting much eh, psycho?
>>221335121Quit projecting.
>>221327571Why would you destroy your stuff? A perfect maid and will do anything you ask. Why do they actually make them think they human instead them knowing they androids?
"Girl's poop"
>>221331462It is that simple. It's not a memory the same way a human or intelligent animal can remember.
>>221327571Your thoughts are biologically created, why should i care about you?
>>221333297Its absurdism humor. I chuckled when i read that reply.
>>221327571>why should I feel bad for her?Same reason I feel bad for Wish Nikki in Obsession
>>221327571its an indicator of your character, reallysame as raping women in gta and then killing them or torturing simsits a nothingburger action at face value but we all know what you really are, the only reason you hate elite pedophiles is because you arent them
Don't bully Soapybot you chuds!
>>221327571is this worth watching for she?
>>221340785Anything is worth watching for the Soap.
love soap, simple as.
>>221330980
>>221331082"Ok, just calm down"
FUCK Soapy!
>>221331145Is there a way to rebuild my nerve insulation so I don't have tingling/ numbness in my hands and reduce tinnitus (which I describe as the sound of flowing electricity)?
>>221333748>Similarily, I can feel empathy when looking at a fake human, but i absolutely shouldn't extend my treatment of humans to it based on looks.yep, no disagreement there. All things within reason and context.(same-anon)
>>221335349How do you prove you're not imaginary?
>>221337174
>>221341553Even Book of Boba Fett?
>>221327571because women expect you to endow/invest objects with emotion, regardless of the absurdity.they invented the shit test (love shit as a test)
>>221341854>droid>life???
>>221341962He's a dumb kid character in a dumb show.
>>221341962Droids are actually "ensoulled" sapient and sentient beings in Star Wars though, they can even use the force
>>221327571Congrats that’s the entire plot to Ex Machina
>>221327630Based.
>>221327630This is cute to you?
>>221327630You think this is cute?
>>221336824It’s bad for women because the assumption they always make is that the love is one sided because they cannot comprehend anything that is not directly benefitting them. And when they see a fantasy of someone wanting just to be loved they immediately think “well this doesn’t mention my direct happiness so obviously he wants me to be miserable”. From there they come up with a bunch of copes like “oh he just wants a mother he can fuck” or “he just wants a sex doll who doesn’t agrees with him on everything”.
>>221327571She has true emotions. Her thoughts are fully conscious. She has full human-like interiority. Its not about whether in real life a robot could be sentient. Harry Potter can have magic in it even though it doesn't exist and is impossible in real life. The movie says what goes within the movie.This movie is clearly, by the obvious intent and framing of the whole text, in the whole nature of the story and how every scene goes, saying that she is sentient and conscious, with human equivilent emotions. This is a fact in the movie. Its true regardless of what you think the possibilities are for real robots or how consciousness works.
>>221327571It's just a fucktoy, if you get attached you're a retard.
Here's your Jenna Ortega robot, bro (you got a 20% discount on her because she's retarded)
>>221327571Human beings have empathy and general dont like to see things suffer. Brownoids, chinks and anglos need not apply
>>221341710Is the neuropathy from a back injury or impingement or is it autoimmune/diabetes related as they have very different treatments and is the tinnitus from a head injury or is it from hair cell death, the later. You are fucked
>>221330793You have to be severely mentally handicapped to believe this.Even many single-celled organisms feel pain. It is THE core functionality necessary for life to seek to preserve itself. Pain MUST be a horrifying feling, or else creatures would just lay down and die voluntarily.When humans are born without a sense of pain (rare genetic defect) they literally bite their own fingers off. They usually don't survive their first years.
>>221333838From the massive amount of commas used i suspect you're either a slav or you're morbidly obese and you type how you talk
>>221343790Make your own thread Erik
>>221327630
>>221345261Okay I will
>When the psychopath mad scientist is arguing that they can feel pain as they torture them
>>221344503The most interesting thing is in the Painless drosophila (fruit fly)mutants the mutation hampers long term memory formation along with turning off the TRPA sensors that feel heat and pain. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3533128/Also turning off the pain sensation gene causes homosexuality in fruitflies. Mutants with the painless mutation or changes in adult expresion of the painless gene can trigger homosexuality in flies https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3206795/
>>221340114>if you shoot someone in gta you are an evil monster and a pedokys
>>221347727why would you want to do bad things unless you are bad?
>>221330682Pure ass. Its an allegory for trashing cars in a demolition derby you mook. A waste of useful machinery.
>>221330980Insects get a signal to flee. They are as aware of what they are doing and feeling as the NPC in your favorite game
>>221344503hahahahahahaha everybody is laughing at you
>>221327571She might be metal and rubber but her emotions are made of the same stuff as yours
>>221348810Is she metal and rubber, or is she vat grown tissue over an endoskeleton? Imagine how bad the silicon would smell after fungi grew in her folds
>>221348823Whatever she's made out of definitely isn't skin, just looks like itIt burns like paper
It is kind of jarring. Ever since LLM's became a thing, I do find it much harder to buy into stories that ask me to humanize machines. Before that,nI had no trouble accepting fictional robots as basically human. Not as unthinking, mechanical minstrosities that pretend to be human.I imagine there will be a generational divide, where young people will probably have trouble understanding why sympathetic AI characters were ever a popular trope at all.
>>221327571posting in based soapiechads thread
>>221348902Most people already trust and obey LLMs, which is absolutely horrifying in its own way
>>221343790please don't post uggos on a soapie thread
>>221348810How? We might be able to emulate or approximate the experience we have but we can't create a program that would feel what we do 1 to 1. Fruit flies have 3,016 neurons and 548,000 connections between them. To run a simulation of every chemical and electrical activity in a brain of just a fruit fly you would need 1030+ operations to produce one second of activity. Using our fastest supercomputers that 1 second would take 30,000 years to model. A human brain has 86 billion neurons and 500 trillion connections. The bot is either emulating a brain at a massively simplified level and not experiencing what we experience or is using actual tissue integrated into the hardware (which can be done even now with optogenetics)
>>22134899010^30 4chan doesn't like scientific notation
>>221348958That's mostly older people who think it's some all knowing oracle that has access to all human knowledge and can flawlessly reproduce it.Younger people seem much more realistic about it.https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2026/06/22/gen-zs-ai-skepticism-creates-hiring-hurdles.html
>>221349034Older people might know how to get more out of it?
>>221348902that's because you're a retard, many such cases
>>221349058... like what? Those things are still really bad at actually answering questions correctly. Happened to me multiple times that the AI synopsis for a google search just gave me downright false information. Sure, it was about something innocuous (wanted to know whether a specific book was available in my language) but if they can't even get that right, why would you ever trust them with something actually important?
>>221349111>... like what? Those things are still really bad at actually answering questions correctly. Happened to me multiple times that the AI synopsis for a google search just gave me downright false information. Sure, it was about something innocuous (wanted to know whether a specific book was available in my language) but if they can't even get that right, why would you ever trust them with something actually important?You wouldn't the things are only good at already solved coding problems and bullshit task like converting file formats, it just uses linear algebra to predict the next most likely word/outcome from stuff it has been fed. No new synthesis or creation of anything.
>>221327571You shouldn’t. People who empathize with robots are evil
>>221327707You are a very dangerous type of retard
>>221330669do you eat meat
>>221349111>Those things are still really bad at actually answering questions correctly.you're 2-3 years out of date and a model that runs on a phone would be able to recognize your query as a fictional scenario.>>221349155another retard
>>221349210Wrong
>>221349155Sure, and I don't have a problem with it being used for programming and converting files, that's fine. But I don't get why I should be happy with it being forced down my throat as some personal assistant when it's clearly very poorly suited for that. What, so I can have a little Elon Musk in my pocket, telling me what to think?>>221349210>you're 2-3 years out of date and a model that runs on a phone would be able to recognize your query as a fictional scenario.>another retardAnon. Earlier this year, I searched whether there was a German translation of the Polish novel Lód. It give me a false answer. I did it again just now and got pic related. There is not, in fact, a German translation of that book from 2013, Christiane Karg is an opera singer and the book has nothing to do with the colonization of Venus.What is this shit?
>>221349324Grok is retarded but the least neutered. It honestly gets some interesting fixations and is kind of interesting to probe just because of that
>>221349324see >>221349034>That's mostly older people who think it's some all knowing oracle that has access to all human knowledge and can flawlessly reproduce it.The issue is that you're the retard the other retard was describing. You expect it to be aware of some esoteric knowledge is is of no meaning to 99% of people and that it was not trained on. It's a skill issueAlso, i just tried this on google and it answered correctly (because it has internet search). What are you even using?
>>221327571Your emotions are nothing but chemical and electrical signals, OP.
>>221349464>Also, i just tried this on google and it answered correctly (because it has internet search). What are you even using?I used a regular ass google search. The browser I'm using is Brave, if that makes a difference.
>>221349544I also tried this on a dumb local model and it refused to give me a straight answer.
>>221349602
AI doesn't give correct answers, it gives the word association based on probability of what people wrote previously. It's like asking the audience. If you don't understand the distinction then AI is a huge boon to answering things for you.
>>221349726correct
>>221349726>it's le token predictorand you're a clump of neurons. what matters are the results: you don't think you're a clump of neurons, the machine does in fact give correct answers at better-than-human rates.
>>221350084>the machine does in fact give correct answers at better-than-human rates.Maybe compared to 100 iq idiots when you are asking it anime trivia. Shits useless in fields like chemistry if you are trying to trouble shoot something. About the only use I find for it is giving it a question and making it read a bunch of scientific papers to hone in the actual one I want to read or fast analysis of figures/stats for bad practice so I don't have to dissect every figure in a paper that's garbage anyway. It is very good at busy work a secretary would do.
>>22134314650's hairdo mogs the others but yeah she cute.
>>221327630You a pussy. Real men act like thugs if you aren't killing her dog wit a hammer for barking too loud when she ain't home then you not getting into her panties lolThat's why you virgin haha
>>221335274You're aware that free will doesn't exist and what you perceive to be your conscious mind is simply a post-hoc rationalisation of actions the neurochemical Rube-Goldberg Machine in your skull already laid down for you to follow, thus making any kind of distinction between "real" humans and "toaster" artificial intelligence of sufficient sophistication basically nonexistent, right?"Actual people" are machines made of meat. You come with an "operating system" laid down by your genetic heritage and gestational environment, which is then modified by previous generations of machine via education, and which then proceeds through live processing stimuli and generating courses of action based on how that programming dictates you should respond. "You" are an illusion created by your brain's own heuristic learning response, not an actual entity in its own right, and we know this for certain because we can use MRI imaging to see the brain sending signals to the nervous system to prompt action *before* the subject believes they have made a conscious choice and indeed before the parts of the brain responsible for the heuristic self-editing functions that we tell ourselves are "consciousness" have even begun to show activity. In some cases - chiefly studies of fight-or-flight stress responses - the brain begins sending signals to lower-order physical functions before the "conscious" part of the brain even perceives a "choice" would even be about to be necessary.Humans are meat-droids and always have been. We are not special except in our capacity for self-delusion.
>>221348615Because they aren't real, and thus can't be moral one way or another.
>>221327630I hope she gets murdered in the new Refn kino
>>221343399YES!
>>221335483i watched like 15 sdeconds of the movie randomly and its just bad nepo baby actinga lot of shilling going on lately for incel core fake horror shit >oh my god she's going to allow me to fuck her OH MY GODDDD!!!most whores do
>>221347727>gets called out for being a psycho>immediatly lashes out defensively with death threatsHmm
>>221327571Why would you feel bad for the films villain?
>>221350084It gives answers at better than human rates because it is based on the smaller group of literate humans.I should mention I see no signs of human intelligence and gave up searching after 35 years.
>>221351895> 15 seconds of non-stop attentionMost intellectual zoomgroid.
