CRASSUUUUUUSSSTHEY'RE NOT RUNNING OUT OF ARROWS
Where did the Parthians get so many arrows in the middle of Iran? Isn't it a desert?
>>221353360Just chase after them!
>>221354989>Where did the Parthians get so many arrows in the middle of Iran? Isn't it a desert?They brought a lot from Han Empire
>>221353360What's the point of wearing an armor if it can't save you from being hit by an arrow
>>221356409It looks cool
my estimation of Crassus as a general just fucking plummeted
>>221354989They had a lot of camels full of arrows just to resupply the archers for days.which is horrible if you take into account they used compound bows able to penetrate shields.
Surena you rat! How could you give me the ol' spicy golden mouth!?
Best Crassus movie outside of Spartacus?
>>221353360I know this thread was DOA, but thanks for giving me something to read about while I had my coffee at work this morning
>>221353360So gay
>>221356524>win battle >get executed for being too popular
>they will run out of arrows eventually>they will run out of arrows eventually>they will run out of arrows eventually>they are not running out of arrows
>>221356613surely they will run out of arrows eventually?
>>221356524>>221356612rome was just a boys club
>>221356627it's the eventually that never came, they stopped at night but only because they wanted to eat something. Half crassus' army was raped and left behind during the retreat
>they're picking up the arrows
>MFW I had a competent leader.
>>221356650Surena was Iranian
>>221354989>Where did the Parthians get so many arrowsTrade with both east and western states.
And...
>>221354989Ever heard of a sand arrow?
>>221356746>IranianParthian.
>>221357435Whatever. They're both types of Arab.
>>221356240Persia isn't all desert and you can also make arrows out of other materials like bone.
>>221357743wow I instinctively added a "...,retard" to the end of my internal narration of your post even though your tone was totally neutral. been reading too many mean and aggressive posts, heh
>>221357823My bad, forgot to add it at the end.
>>221353360That's funny, I was reading about this today while having a break from work... great minds and all that, Anon.
PULLOFORMATION
>>221353360CRASSUS SOMEONE STOLE THE POO SPONGE
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>>221357956
>>221358060>"GAIVS">*clap clap clap*>"IVLIVS">*twirl*>"CAESAAAAAAAAR!">*belches fire*
>>221357998>Come, let us shit and chat for a bit. *FART*
>>221357998>Shitty little street urchins stealing the poop sponges and throwing them in the Tiber for a laugh.I see it happening
>>221357452Embarrassing post
>>221353360Would Julius defeated the parthians?
>>221354989They were saving them for a rainy day
>>221359630He would have simply built a sandcastle and wait for the whole thing to blow over
>bibi! They are not running out of IRBMs!
they have to run out of wood to turn into arrows sometime.
>>221353360>Ahhhhhhhh>Testudo! Save me!
>>221357998These toilets are propaganda, they had toilet dividers, they were just trashed after a few hundred years..
>Rapes a Vestigal virgin
>archers are instructed to 'fire'
>>221360545>archers draw back the arrow easily as if the draw weight was 5 pounds
>>221360545>archers pray to Apollo that their arrows hit their target
>>221353360It’s amazing 400 years later the Roman’s still had no reply to horse archers. Who can just approach, fire and circle back. If you try to close the distance they just finene retreat while continuing to fire and circle back.The eastern Roman Empire was stopped by them too.
>>221360584Or maybe they're trained on them so it looks easy due to repetition
>>221360633To be fair even in the middle ages the real counter was just to build solid fortifications to wait them out, which is harder to do in an offensive war
>>221357998>Come good Solonius. Let us break words and release long denied shit.
>>221360633Why didn't they just build a machine gun that fires arrows?
>>221360633rome fielding cav and being supported by infantry if the horse archers and cataphracts engage with the roman cav would do it. picking the terrain, logistics and allies would go a long way. parthians were not as disciplined as mongolsi'm reading the adrian goldsworthy book right now and it he doesn't describe it as the battlefield meta at all
>>221354989eastern nations were always archer based anonwestern europe nations thought lowly of archers til crassus got owned
>>221359630He might've scored some victories, but I don't think conquering all of Persia was realistic. His invasion plan was probably similar to the one used by Mark Anthony, which might've let him conquer Media Atropatene if everything went well, but probably not much more before his campaign runs out of steam. And it probably wouldn't have lasted very long.
>>221360633Why didnt they just use pot holes?
>>221360633>>221360775Actually, in the Eastern Roman Empire, the Romans assimilated Onagur Huns who were first brought in as mercenaries, then the Romans/Byzantines adopted Hunnic tactics and weaponry into their military. This is why the lancer/archer cavalry and cataphracts(copied from the Persian heavy cavalry) became so prominent. The Romans even used arrow saturation tactics against the Muslim Arabs before unleashing multipronged cavalry charges against them.If you want to know why some people would think archers are cowards, just learn about what the Seljuk Turks did to Byzantine/Roman Anatolia when they began their raids. The Muslim Seljuk Turks avoided battle with Roman forces, bypassed them and targeted villages and farms, killed unarmed civilians and farmers, killed livestock, and burned down towns, as well as enslaving civilians and wreaking general terror and instability in Anatolia for decades.Of course the Byzantine/Roman leadership back in Constantinople were also to blame since they devalued Byzantine currency causing inflation as well as stopped paying their own native troops in favor of expensive mercenaries while the large estates of the aristocracy in Anatolia gobbled up the lands of their smaller neighbors.Another thing was that the Suljuk Turkish bows had far greater ranges than the Byzantine/Roman bows that were Hunnic in origin. So the Seljuk Turkish light cavalry just stayed out of range and shot arrows at the armored cataphracts and then rode away if the Cataphracts gave chase.Modern day Turks from Turkiye like to think their ancestors were heroes because they liberated Anatolia from the heavy taxes the Roman/Byzantines usually placed on their subjects. But the Muslim Turks are too stupid to realize that the heavy taxes were the result of Muslim Arab and Seljuk Turkish aggression since the Romans had to use the taxes to pay for national defense which was quite costly.
>>221360709I think the medieval Chinese had something similar, a crossbow hat show rapid arrows, one after the other. But the range and penetrative power wasn't that good and they were mostly used by rich women for home defense.
>>221361179*the Seljuk Turks didn't liberate Anatolia, they more or less enslaved people in Anatolia who couldn't pay the Jizya taxes and all the other taxes that were imposed on the Christians.
>>221361179That’s a lot of words to say they still lost to horse archers.They were never as good as Huns and others Becuase the others raised thier babies in the saddle and it takes a very long time to get really good at shooting from a horse at speed.Rome is the most overrated empire in history they just got lucky going against barbarians and got thier shit kicked in whenever they went against a peer.They always teach Rome with half the world map cut out so it looks more impressive.Lastly fur the eastern Romans it’s more of a Cain vs Albe thing.The Roman’s were farmers and the other were nomads. So the other could without much loose kite the Roman’s across the entire Amati
>>221361179hat’s a lot of words to say they still lost to horse archers.They were never as good as Huns and others Becuase the others raised thier babies in the saddle and it takes a very long time to get really good at shooting from a horse at speed.Rome is the most overrated empire in history they just got lucky going against barbarians and got thier shit kicked in whenever they went against a peer.They always teach Rome with half the world map cut out so it looks more impressive.Lastly fur the eastern Romans it’s more of a Cain vs Albe thing.The Roman’s were farmers and the other were nomads and herders . So the other could and did without much lose kite the Roman’s across the entire Anatolian plain picking them off until they were exhausted. While the Roman’s found nothing to ”sack” and no farms to destroy. Once the Roman’s went back to thier farms they could just advance again
>>221361402>Rome is the most overrated empire in historyFunny how everyone wanted to be the next Rome instead of the next whatever niggersteppe/arab/chink empire.
>>221361402>Rome is the most overrated empire in history they just got lucky going against barbarians and got thier shit kicked in whenever they went against a peer.They defeated Carthage, Mithridates, the Seleucids, etc, none of whom were easy enemies. Even at their objective lowest point they defeated and repelled the Huns at the Battle of the Catalaunian Plains. They simply were better than everyone around them and proved it through conquest. You also posted a map of the early republic instead of the actual empire. My instincts are telling me you're Chinese, your posting style and spelling errors reminds me a lot of that one chink autist who spams /his/.
>>221361402The Seljuk Turks won because they primarily targeted unarmed civilians and destroyed the economy and tax base of the Byzantine-Romans. The Byzantine-Romans would have kept Anatolia if they kept paying their native army and kept the fortresses Basil II built in good conditions and manned with garrisons. In fact, the Comnenus dynasty eventually figured out how to handle the Seljuk Turks but they didn't have enough manpower at that point so they used the Crusader army to help them reconquer Western Anatolia while the Romans taught the Crusaders how to deal with the Seljuk Turks. Eventually the Comnenelus dynasty rebuilt their military using Christianized Pechenegs(another Turkic group) as light archer-cavalry, heavy cataphracts(this time copied from Norman Knights) as their shock heavy cavalry troopers as well as their infantry and Varangian mercenaries. They were poised to retake all of Anatolia since the Byzantine-Romans had been chipping away at the Seljuk Sultanate for a century and needed to just recover the interior of Anatolia if not for the disastrous battle at Myriokephalon. And even then, the Byzantine-Romans could still have retaken Anatolia if another civil war had not happened after Manuel I Comnenus death followed by the disastrous rule of the Angeloi/Angelus dynasty and the 4th Crusade.
>>221360633Its genuinley op. Problem is you have to be raised in the saddle to do it properly. Things like hanging off the side of your hourse and shooting under its neck, holding three arrows between your fingers at once so you can get multiple shots while moving forward > juke sideways and pull back. Everyone would have used them if they could. The lifestyle required was not condusive to agriculture and civilization. Artillery and fortifications help. Muskets eventually got invented and had the stopping power,range, and mobility needed.
>>221362048Hi friend. Hope you get laid good soon and often
>>221361402>Rome is the most overrated empire in history they justrule the world to this day
>>221362211you leave him alone, mister. his virginity must be protected at all costs.
>>221362048foot archers > horse archersall horses have is mobility. a bunch of foot archer armies would roll over the mongols effortlessly. except the mongols would, of course, run away. most badass and op of armies indeed.
>I'm a genius!>RELEASE THE ELEPHANTS!>heh heh heh OH N-
>>221362048>>221360633>>221361179>>221361402>>221361441I would also like to add that the Hunnic tactics and training the Eastern Roman Empire inherited from the Onagur Hun mercenaries they assimilated, the training is similar to the modern day Mongolian horse archer's training. So while the Eastern Roman lancer-archer cavalry and archers in general were not as good as the Steppe nomads like the Turks and Mongols, they were generally good enough to repel the Zoroastrian Persian and Muslim Arab invasions for centuries.The Romans just added their steppe nomad tactics they learned from the Huns to their cataphract shock charges that they copied from the Persians.>>221362279Not really, Mongols would just fire volley after volley after volley of arrows at the enemy, then they would utilize heavy cavalry from people's they had defeated or made alliances with. In fact, the Battle of Kose Dag, was a battle between the Seljuk Turks and the Mongols and the Mongols had heavy cavalry from their Christian Armenian and Georgian vassals. In that battle, Mongols won because of the Steppe nomad archer tactics followed by the heavyncavalry charge of the Armenian and Georgian Knights that routed the Seljuk Turks
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>>221361402>Rome is the most overrated empire in historyNo. It is difficult to overstate how much Rome influenced early modern (and modern) empires through its legacy. I don't care about this Wikipedia-style battles history because it's completely irrelevant.
>>221356409There are other threats. Also, while it might not make you fully invincible against arrows, chainmail still tends to help somewhat and that help might be the difference between an arrow sticking in your muscles and hurting like a bitch and an arrow going into your internal organs and probably killing you.It's, as usual with armor, a case of "it's not perfect but going naked is even worse".
>Texts Crassus>hey bro, they outta arrows yet?
>>221353360>DONALLLLD, THEY'RE NOT RUNNING OUT OF MISSILES!!
>>221353360>"I JUST HECKIN' LOVE HISTORY">spends all day dreaming about scantily clad men in sandals in tight formations sweating all over each other>consumes "fun" factoids only to dish them out online to seem cultured, totally not compensating for lack of real achievements>doesn't engage with history critically, takes everything at face value if it sounds cool >appeals to authority are frequent, ignores the material sciences>"IT'S MY HECKIN' HERITAGE DUDE">doesn't even know his great-grandfather's nameYall so boring.
Why didn't the romans start using war elephants after they beat hannibal
>>221357452Retard
>>221357452Iranians, especially back then, were Desert Whites. They were a little swarthier than Western Europeans, but that’s expected with the environment.>But then Islam came and mutted themNot really. It’s true that Iran suffered under the heel of the Abbasids following the conquest of the Eranshahr, but after 200 years of subjugation they tossed aside their oppressors and reclaimed their culture and identity. The only thing they really didn’t get back following the Iranian Intermezzo was their native religion (Zoroastrianism) which, to be brutally honest, wasn’t that big of a loss since embracing Islam let them basically so Persian Empire Part 4 with the Near East.
>>221365298Because elephants don't grow on trees.
>>221361179The Aswaran need to be discussed more, they fit the bill as a proto-knight. Honestly, the Sassanids in general deserve some love like the Byzantines do, they were an immensely fascinating blend of Achaemenid romanticism with modernized policies.
>>221362425Elephants were to the Diadochii what nukes were to Cold War states. Everyone wanted them, everyone was trading for them.
>>221362645>Not really, Mongols would just fire volley after volley after volley of arrows at the enemywow, just like infantry archers but a lot worse>then they would utilize non-horse-archers to win the battleyes, horse archers are op indeed
>>221360633Castles are the hard counter to horse archers, and they were invented by the Franks in the 10th century. The best that the Romans had was just the fort, horse archers were OP for hundreds of years.
>>221362211My favorite part of getting laid is the three week window after where the girl thinks shes interested in everything you say.
>>221360682Actually, the major counter was crossbowmen and heavy cavalry to charge them down. That's how the Germans and Bohemians routed Ogedei, though learning those tactics came at a pretty significant cost to Hungary specifically.
>>221353360Crasssus fought the actual battle to a stalemate and successfully brought his army to the fort. In the ensuing seige Crassuses forces forced him to sue for peace with the parthians and he was killed in the ensuing parlay
>surena was executed after for being too good at his job btfoing crassus
>>221356409What's the point of wearing shoes if an alligator can just eat you?
>>221356524He was dead when they did it at least. or so they say
>>221353360Great fuckin plan, bro
>>221353360>They're out of arrows!>But all their arrows are in our men and they're dead
>>221365044>Literally didThis is just fucking embarrassing as the number of middle delivered by Iran went down days by days
>>221366694Hmm you make a good case. I can't fault your reasoning.
>>221365268>spends all day dreaming about scantily clad men in sandals in tight formations sweating all over each otherFor myself I spend all day thinking about Minoan chicks >>221365442Well they should Mars dammit!
>>221357374Finally got around to watching Gods of the Arena last month.I always thought Good Solonius was such a fucking weasel. Prequel series showed he was actually a total bro and Batiatus couldn't stop fucking everything up. What of Good Solonius indeed.
>>221365268Why do you speak like such an annoying childish retard? Can't you be a normal person instead of a weird freak?
>>221365477Kek
>>221353360>deliver a crushing defeat to the romans>get executedbased desu
>>221369104>mock Good Solonius for being too chickenshit and never finding his balls>Goid Solonius helps win a life or death struggle, but finally finds his balls and does whats best for himself in the aftermath>get pissed about it and seethe forever after
>>221370113>punishing someone for being too successfulthe thirdie mentality of that region really is ancient.
>>221357823Matthew 15:11 KJVNot that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
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>>221354989>What's in camel's sack?!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvsR-xciOTg
>>221371239>contradicts yhwh's laws in the OTalso jesus is a made up anti goyim psyop
>>221362852>Ent-ACK
>>221360620>>archers pray to Apollo that their arrows hit their targetSome even do it today.Daniel 11:38 KJVBut in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
>>221361179>TurkiyeESL hands typed this post
>>221354989Iran is a mostly mountainous country, you retard.
>>221371327And the arrows got smaller but way more potent.
>>221371399Fuck off you insufferable bore
>>221356485>compound bowsComposite or compound?
>>221357452Modern education teaching that the world was always black and brown lol
>>221356710How did he maintain a buzzcut like that back then?
>>221360512Caracalla was arab so I believe you.
>>221371466Clippers
>>221356613I love the modern ere remake>they will run out of missiles eventually
Someone explain how these guys were able to get away with murdering emperors for centuries until one had enough and destroyed them for good
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>>221371753because that happened every few centuries or so not one emperor after another
>>221356485You mean recurve?
>>221361402>lasted over 2000 years >some retard: overrated The only other nations that lasted longer than them had better natural borders and that’s it. China is surrounded by deserts, India and Iran surrounded by mountains, Rome’s borders at its peak was almost 5000 miles long and most of it had shit defenses like a river yet they still managed to hold the most valuable lands in Europe.
>>221371753Heraclius pulled out an insane clutch at the last possible minute with the last army. Rome was crippled at that point but managed to get the Hail Mary. Problem is the Persian Roman war last so long, it drained the piss out of resources and men for both armies and allowed Mohammed the pedo to spread into Europe unchallenged 5 years later. Had Rome and Persia entered into a last peace, Arabs would have never conquered Europe.
>>221366209So in fact this is not a humiliating defeat at all, but a rare species of victory?
>>221353360https://litter.catbox.moe/oyxmxijses7ym66b.webm
>>221365506I wouldn’t call death by a thousand cuts that OP. There’s a reason why Scythians never beat the femboy Greeks. Horse archers much like pikemen need favorable terrain and they do fuckall in the woods. The Mongolians would flee every time they started to lose and couldn’t really conquer settlements unless they starved them out. It was the camel supply lines that did the Romans in. Crassus’s army was soaking up the arrows pretty good initially and had the Persians run out of arrows, Crassus would have won. Remember the battle lasted the entire day and into the night so they really weren’t doing that much damage. Heavy armor helps significantly and horse archers are stupid expensive. Mongolians and Huns basically humiliated a lot of shitty tribes but were stopped dead in their tracks when they faced a real enemy. Attila was defeated by the crumbling WRE and Mongolians by stopped on all sides by the Japs, Jeets and Arabs.
>weimerica golem tries to conquer iran >quickly recruit hollywood goy goof #13 to make an epic war movie... with IRANIANS!
>>221353360If I was in that battle things wouldn't have gone down the way the did.
>>221372187No it’s a Trump tier victory idiot. When you* pay the Persians 300 billion, YOU win. *make your allies****allies pay 5% while you lowkey pay 95%
>>221372187Wikipedia would call it:Tactical Stalemate Strategic Parthian Victory
>>221372094Momo had his very own Belisarius genius general who won his battles, Khalid bin Walid. Even without the Zutted prophet the arabs would have forged a new empire like other nomadic peoples who periodically emerged, sadly the version we got was gay, inbred and retarded.
While you guys get showered with arrows, I'll be over here banging Cleopatra
>>221372242Would've been a lot of Parthian blood in that desert.Then me saying, "Okay, Romans, we're gonna be okay. We're gonna get to Palmyra safely."
>>221357998>Yes, It was my poop stick brigade>I will sell it back to you, right this moment, once you agree to our premium poop stick plan
>>221371466shave itwait a few daysrepeat
heres something just for fun I asked AI how Ceaser would've dealt with the same situationhow would ceaser hypothetically have dealt with the battle of carrhae, if he found himself in that situation?If Julius Caesar had found himself in the exact tactical trap at the Battle of Carrhae, he would have fundamentally altered the outcome by executing a dynamic, high-risk breakout rather than standard defensive stagnation.Where Marcus Licinius Crassus formed a rigid, passive "hollow square" and froze while waiting for the enemy to run out of arrows, Caesar's historical record shows he would have read the battlefield radically differently.Here is exactly how Caesar would have handled the situation, step-by-step.1. Refusal of the Rigid SquareCrassus immobilized 40,000 men in a massive square, providing a massive target for 9,000 Parthian horse archers. Caesar loathed stagnation. He would have broken his army into independent, highly mobile sub-commands (vexillations). By spacing out his forces, he would prevent the Parthians from firing blindly into a dense crowd, forcing them to disperse their own numbers and dilute their concentration of fire.2. Aggressive Use of Rough TerrainThe battle took place in flat, open desert plains—ideal territory for cavalry maneuverability. Caesar was a master of topography. He would have immediately noticed any localized terrain advantages, such as nearby hills, rocky outcrops, or the dry banks of the Balikh River. He would have marched his men aggressively toward these features to disrupt the charging lanes of the 1,000 heavy Parthian cataphracts and block the horse archers' retreat paths.pt 1
3. Masked Cavalry Counter-AttacksWhen Crassus sent his son Publius to charge the horse archers, the Parthians simply used the "Parthian shot" (firing backward while fleeing), lured them away, and slaughtered them.Caesar would have integrated his infantry and cavalry into a unified combined-arms response:He would use dense infantry line formations to physically block the vision of the Parthian scouts.He would hide his elite Gallic cavalry directly behind the infantry shield wall.At the perfect moment, the infantry would part, allowing the cavalry to launch a sudden, short-range ambush sprint before the horse archers could accelerate away.4. Target the Supply LinesCrassus assumed the Parthians would run out of ammunition, unaware that General Surena had brought a baggage train of 1,000 camels loaded with extra arrows. Caesar’s scouts would have quickly spotted this unconventional camel train. Caesar always prioritized logistical warfare; he would have immediately ordered a fast, high-stakes cavalry raid specifically targeted to destroy or scatter the camels, instantly neutralizing the Parthians' infinite ammo loop.5. Weaponising the TestudoWhen the Romans entered the testudo (turtle) formation to block arrows, the Parthians switched to charging them with heavy, lance-wielding cataphracts. Caesar would have used the testudo format fluidly as bait. He would order his front lines to simulate panic, wait for the heavy cataphracts to commit to a charge, and then rapidly pivot his veteran cohorts inward to encircle, trap, and unseat the heavily armored, less agile riders.pt 2/3
>>221373835Caesar would actually have built a massive fort on the spot, then used it as a springboard to built another fort around the horse archers, boxing them in.
>>221373852The Outcome:Caesar would not have escaped completely unscathed; the lack of Roman missile troops was a massive structural disadvantage. However, rather than facing total annihilation like Crassus, Caesar’s dynamic adjustments would have allowed him to inflict heavy casualties on the cataphracts, disrupt the arrow supply chain, and secure an organized, fighting retreat back to the safety of the Armenian mountains.Hypothetical Casualties Under CaesarIf Julius Caesar had been in command, Rome still would have taken heavy losses due to the total lack of missile troops and the flat terrain. However, his tactical flexibility would have completely altered the final numbers.Historians and military theorists tracking Caesar's usual performance profile estimate a hypothetical outcome would look closer to this:Total Roman Casualties: ~8,000 to 12,000 dead or wounded. Caesar's dynamic breakout tactics and use of broken terrain would have significantly reduced the time his men spent sitting under arrow storms.Parthian Casualties: ~2,000 to 3,000 dead. By launching coordinated infantry/cavalry ambushes and successfully targeting the camel supply trains, Caesar would have actually forced the Parthians to bleed.The Result: Instead of 75% of the army being destroyed or captured, Caesar likely would have brought 70% to 80% of his army back alive in a fighting retreat to the Armenian mountains.3/3 fin
>>221371239thanks brother. That was unexpected but wholeheartedly accepted.did not know of/remember that passage
>>221373744>Marcus Bostonius Wahlberg, then 16, assaulted a middle-aged Parthian man on the street, calling him a "Parthian fucking shit" and knocking him unconscious with a large wooden stick. Later the same day, he attacked another Parthian, punching him in the eye. When Wahlberg was arrested and returned to the scene of the first assault, he told lictors: "I'll tell you now that's the mother-fucker whose head I split open."
>>221353360they should of made the Spartacus Spin Off about Crassus in Parthia and the remaining Slaves with Agron and Nasir help the Parthians beat him.
>>221373872the hypothetical is he finds himself in the same position as crassus not what he would've done to never be in that situation in the first place, thats why I made the hypothetical be "what would he have done if he found himself in that exact same situation"
>>221373891I mean free men. Not slaves. Former Slaves. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE TASTE OF FREEDOM UPON THEIR LIPS!!!!!!
>>221361179>If you want to know why some people would think archers are cowards, just learn about what the Seljuk Turks did to Byzantine/Roman Anatolia when they began their raids. The Muslim Seljuk Turks avoided battle with Roman forces, bypassed them and targeted villages and farms, killed unarmed civilians and farmers, killed livestock, and burned down towns, as well as enslaving civilians and wreaking general terror and instability in Anatolia for decades.Sounds like they just wanted to win more. I bet all that happened to people thr Byzantines fucked with and more.
>>221373880kekus
>>221361402>They don't know anything.George was right again...
>>221353360It really sucks that Ceaser got assassinated before he could launch his eastern campaign. I really can't make up my mind how it would have gone down.I am not the biggest Ceaser expert but at sometimes he seems like a tactical genius with repositioning his troops, other times he seems pretty incompetent with getting into terrible situations unprepared and only winning by luck.I am sure he would have tried to lean the best he could form Crasus disaster and Alexander the Great showed that foot armies could beat mostly horse archer armies but still I feel like Ceaser might have lost that campaing or the very least had to retreat without acomplishing much.
>>221373940The Eastern Romans were usually on the defensive and the Muslims were usually the aggressors and invaders. While it's true that Romans/Byzantines did conduct raids, they were actually counter-raids and they were usually in response to the pillage/slave raids the Muslims did on a near yearly basis.The reason why the Muslim Seljuk Turks swarmed Anatolia was because the Byzantine-Roman government dismantled much of their own military in favor of expensive foreign mercenaries from the West and to prevent revolts and civil wars. Also, the Byzantine-Romans let their guard down after the Macedonian dynasty heavily defeated the Muslim Arab Caliphates. They thought peace was the new norm.
>>221373877You're welcome.Checked.
>>221374682It would have been gloriousWe were robbed of historical kino
>>221374910>dey wuz good bois dindu nuffin Oh ok
>>221372216>and they do fuckall in the woodsI'm retarded, but is burning down the forest not an option if you really need to win?
>>221357920kek
>>221374682>Alexander the Great showed that foot armies could beat mostly horse archer armiesany recommended youtube videos/channels that cover this topic?or specific battles to read about? Regardless, gonna dive into whatever Alexandrian history thing I can find on my own, it's one part of history that I've been putting off learning about
>>221358077So he was autistic right?
>>221354989>Where did the Parthians get so many arrows in the middle of Iran? Isn't it a desert?Persia hand underground arrow cities during that times.
>>221356612It is just easterling thing.Remeber that bald russian general that started to bomb Ukraine every night?He became popular and was replaced by some no names.
>>221375329Prighozin? He's dead. Putin killed him.
>>221366946They got out of targets. Unless you want them to hit every school, hospital, fire stations. Good thing they not animals like US and Isnotreal.
>land in africa>faceplant face first into the ground disembarking Genuinely how do you recover from this?
>>221375221Autism didn't exist back then
>>221371311Not even the same conflict
I AM NOT CRAZY! I know he waged war illegally in Gaul. The one before he invaded Britain. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He - he covered his tracks, he got that idiot Mark Antony to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That disaster with Crassus! Are you telling me that Crassus just happens to die at Carrhae like that? No! He orchestrated it! Caesar! He crossed the rubicon! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own triumvirate! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since Sulla, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands off the royal togas! But not our Caesar! Couldn't be precious Caesar! Veni, Vidi, Vici-ing them blind! And HE gets to be a Dictator for life!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you, Brutus - you have to stop him!
>>221372187lol, you old rascal
>>221361441Greece still had all that eastern shit under their empire, Rome just preferred to get the western lands because they were more valuable at that time
>>221377099What was Cato's workout regime?
>>221361441>>>Lastly fur the eastern Romans it’s more of a Cain vs Albe thing.While the Eastern Romans did eat plenty of vegetables, they did also eat meat, especially fish and pork, with sausages made from pork and animal intestines as a casing being much preferred. In fact, hunting wild boars and other wild game was a common sport for the Roman elite/aristocracy of the Byzantine Empire. The Roman-Byzantine commoners/peasants on the other hand weren't allowed to hunt on land owned by the upper aristocracy but they were allowed to trap smaller game animals like rabbits as well as eat animal meat from their own domesticated animals like pigs and chicken and lamb.
>>221374682>Alexander the Great showed that foot armies could beat mostly horse archer armieswhen did this happen though? I thought most of his battles were his infantry holding it the fuck down while his cavalry beat the tits off the persian cavalry.
>>221376911I feel like this is a really cleaver parody post but I have no idea what it's from
>>221357823That's OK. Don't be too hard on yourself, you fucking retard.
>>221371239>I was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel
>>221370717YOU COUNSEL TO SUCK THE COCK THAT PISSES ON ME
>>221378649it's referencing a scene from Better Call Saul
>>221361402>all those"empires" that rule over unlivable land that nobody lives in to this day
>>221353360BIIIBIIIITHEY'RE NOT RUNNING OUT OF MISSILES
>>221361530why did the proto vikings and german barbs not have a recognized empire in this time? too much infighting? or does history not recognize it
>>221378852>mfw Iran actually wonnedMost embarrassing 250th birthday in history
>>221378885They very well may have, but those retards didn't write or build anything for a long ass timeIt's hard to talk about your history if no one can remember it
n ancient rome, there were children who were born to be slaves and sent to the mines to die.Do you know how horribly brutal this was?Imagine being taken from your parents and sent to a mine, being barely able to breathe, scrapes and sores on your body that would never heal, 14 hour days, being beaten if you cried.It blows my mind to think that slavery was a real thing that existed.That you can be born into slavery and be forced to work to death while being treated as property and physically abused.Your master could kill you if he wanted to. You weren't even seen as human.Even slaves who tried to kill themselves were shackled to make it impossible to do so.
>>221379068>It blows my mind to think that slavery was a real thing that existed.You talk like it stopped, lol
>>221375703Surovikin, I think.A bald dude that started to mass use Geran drones.
>>221379096it's mostly gone but still exists in some shithole countriesinb4 capitalism is le slavery cope
>>221379159oh, my sweet summer child.
>>221379159Literally the only thing stopping me from buying slaves right now is that it's illegal
>>221361179>So when THEY fight, money and manpower appear out of thin air>When WE fight, logistics matter and can be used as an excuseHmmmmmmm
>>221360820I doubt it because Antony was a better politician than actual warfighter and only lead his campaign against the parthians in a hurry to shore up his legitimacy and get a triumph to try and make his relationship with cleopatra less of a scandal.Caesar would have approached it as a war and not a political optics operation
>>221360377>The actual toilets that saw heavy use survived way better than the dividers likely made out of the same material
>>221369104What indeed
>>221379174where is your argument?>>221379184Yeah no shit. Slavery is illegal. Your point?
>>221353360So how do you actually beat horse archers? Historically I mean. Surely they weren't just an instant win for the side that has them?
>>221362279You know that horse archers are also foot archers right
>>221379432Unmounted archers in loose formation, pavise shieldsShoot the horsesI think that's how the Georgians did it
>>221379297Who says they were made out of the same material? Could've been just a curtain.
>>221379432Having horses is just objectively superior to not having them, the problem is how hard it is to breed and train enough of them before even getting your own people trained on riding themTurks and Mongols were heavily horse centric cultures for literal millennias
>>221379068Same thing happened in the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Turks sent slaves to mines and the slaves had to work under harsh conditions. There were even large farms in Western Anatolianwhere rebellious slaves were sent to do hard, grueling agricultural work. The Ottoman Turks even used galleynslaves for their navy and pirate ships and the enslaved people's world be chained to their seats and worked as rowers and lived in appealing conditions. The slaves working in the mines, the agricultural farms and galleys as rowers had higher than normal mortality rates compared to the slaves working in domestic capacities as menial household slaves.So the next time you hear Turks talk about how their form of slavery was mild compared to European slavery(which was pretty brutal), then you should tell them that their form of slavery could just be as brutal as Western Europe and the America's.>>221379432Hungarians defeated the second invasion of Mongols by utilizing castles and fortresses. They also did scorch earth tactics to deny the Mongols forage and make it incapable for the Mongols to live off the land while the Hungarian soldiery could rain down arrows and sometimes make sorties against the Mongols.
>>221379725*the enslaved peoples would be chained to their seats and worked as rowers and lived in appalling conditions.
>Caesar, how come you are so rudely handled?
lol imagine being unable to beat the parthians it’d be humiliating if the Romans had to pay them like 300 billion sesterces and agree to let them keep their arrows too
>>221379854>make up a son of crassus>rape historical characters with himFan fiction is so gay
>>221379940Crassus literally destroys his Death Mask out of shame and hatred.
>>221379983Yeah yeahIt's still gay, it's like the end of She-Hulk where they're like "This is pretty bad writing, huh?"Just because you call attention to it doesn't make it less than what it is
>>221380078Nigga, the show never claimed it was a documentary. It was made in the same vein as 300.
>>221379753It's fitting that the book The Long Sails ends with the protagonist reminiscing with his old buddy about his time spent as a galley slave, and not in a good way. Even the hardened viking warrior of this story was traumatized for life by it, though words like that are never used in the book.
>>221379551yeah, your all-cavalry army with like 3 horses per dude is gonna dismount and outnumber the infantry one in that battle
>>221380120Stop putting words in my mouth, I just said it was gay!I just didn't like that character. Still loved the show
>>221371753wasnt it a major clusterfuck of getting an army close enough to rome to challenge the praetorian guard without letting the respective legions generals conquer rome just by sheer proximity and opportunity
>>221379725humans are so cruelthey treated slaves as propertythey had child slaves and sent them to mines to dieI bet they cried a lot
SHUT UP AND GET IN THE TESTUDO PLEB
>>221380312crying is for people who don't live harsh livesbabies cry because their mothers listenever seen a tiger cry?didn't think so
Still blows my minds that le super smart Romans didn't have/never invented fucking STIRRUPS for their horses
being a slave was kind of like being welfare trash to romans, they thought if you didn't suck you wouldn't be sold into slavery or lose a war and be captured but it was just a temporary legal status like being bankrupt and you could buy yourself out and there were rules (that weren't enforced in provincial areas) . Part of the reason the Spartacus revolt was such a mess was that Spartacus was an illegally enslaved Dacian auxiliary officer with citizenship that got captured by slavers and sold into italy proper. The super wealthy optimates had to face the fact their line must go up economic system was unjust even by roman standards of morality. Instead of threatening the line going up they had everyone crucified
>>221380341they were still human, thus they cried
>>221380440>but it was just a temporary legal statusNo it wasn't lmaoPeople were slaves for generations. Slaves were bred in some instances. Imagine being born a fucking slave and sent to the mines and worked to death until you die at age 7. Imagine fucking mining with no SHOES or protective equipment, getting cut up constantly, no time for your body to heal. Imagine working 14 hour days and then you sleep chained to the floor outside just to do it all again every single dayImagine breathing in toxic fumes
varus giv back leejuns
>>221380546The mines tended to use convicts and Christians because they were so short-lived. It was a necessary business decisions to produce enough metal before industrialization magnified productive output of wagies
Republic - KINOEmpire - cringe
>>221380592>Empire - cringe>good emperor? kill him>bad emperor? kill him>civil wars? yesWhat were they thinking
>>221380592I agree, rome fails as a story device once the emperor becomes a legitimate title. It breaks the strength of rome where you could produce massive drafted armies loyal to the senate lead by revolving door of adequate generals. Once the empire solidifies you can't have that much power as it becomes an immediate civil war risk. The roman republic system of making drafted men buy their own armor also created legal justifications for laws that pushed wealth down, so much so that only the bottom 10% of romans in the republic could not afford heavy armor. heavy armor at the time would take thousands of man hours of economic activity to produce. Emperors and professional soldiers wrecked the strength of rome
>>221360775>western europe nations thought lowly of archers till crassus got ownedeven then, the legions didn't really change the way they fought. didn't employ much cavalry either. it'd take centuries, until the crises of the 3d century, for rome to create an mass-cavalry force that operated independent of the legions.
>>221380725Italy proper aint great for the mass rearing of horses. Donkeys do better in the drier environment
>>221371753>literally auctioned off the throne after killing the emperor>still get to exist
>>221380546You're being dramatic
>>221380613>What were they thinkingShort term gains.
>>221380821They were trying stuff out, take it easy on them :(>elected officials? easily corruptible>heirs and birthrights? easily tyrannical>eh, why not a really rich guy who just buys the spot?
>>221353360You have no idea how much this cracks me up every time I see it.>>221354989I know this bait but I bite.1. They had camels circling the surrounded enemy in rhythm with the horse archers. These camels carried stacks of arrows which the archers used to resupply.2. Iran is a mountainous country with a very diverse ecology and climate, you fucking retard.3. This battle happened in somewhere around modern day Syria and Turkey.
>>221365391I'd argue sticking with Islam was still a net loss for them, they had great empires before getting hit with the Abr*hamic stick. I'd go so far as to say the Safavids, despite the much more advanced technology available to them, never quite reached the same heights of splendor, culture, and prestige as Persia had at its height. It was then followed by the mediocre Qajars (who started as T*rks but persianized pretty quickly) and comically short lived Pahlavis, leading to current day where a rich culture with a noble history and a ton of potential is had been held back and run into the ground by retarded zealots and thugs with no legitimacy. inb4 Israel: Even before the missiles started flying Iran was being run into the fucking ground by having resource cartels for everything, all flowing back to the same people with ties to the clerics and military. Don't get me wrong Islam wasn't completely ruining, especially pre-modern Islam, but I do think it took from them something that they've never quite gotten back.
>>221359630No. The attrition alone alongside his retarded plan would've killed him.It would've ended up as his "Napoleon's invasion of Russia" but worse.
>>221357452True, true.
>>221361402Kek at the seethe this TRVKE is generating.
>>221375171Starting a massive forest fire could easily spread to all of the nearby settlements you want to conquer/plunder, so it'd be unreliable and questionable strategically, even if it could force your enemies to basically run and fight a new battle in far less favorable terrain.
>>221374682Agrippa would have won
>>221381100what's true about it? rome defeated literally everyone then degenerated to internal conflict over a thousand years. more successful than e.g., the modern west, which hasn't lasted that long and is already falling apart and being supplanted by the chinks
>>221380590they did use child slaves though to get into small crevasses>>221380822Why dont you become a slave miner and see how you like it?
>>221381307Polly Walker NEEDS to be my mom NOW
>>221381268>they did use child slaves though to get into small crevassesWell they probably didn't live long enough to suffer much
>>221381181>rome defeated literally everyone Either isolated and disunited tribes scattered all over the place, or just zerg rushing states past their prime. They met their match in Arsacid and Sassanid Empires which resulted in six centuries of pointless stalemate without any meaningful development. I suggest you cool it down with rabid fanboyism.>then degenerated to internal conflict over a thousand years. Four centuries. Doesn't matter how much Byzantines and Byzaboos alongside rabid romaboos cry about it, it fell apart in late 5th century. Whatever carcass that was left in the East mutated into its own thing and by the time Arab Muslim invasions happened, Byzantines were severely pushed back.>more successful than e.g., the modern west, which hasn't lasted that long and is already falling apart It was the exact same thing and is falling apart the same way, don't delude yourself. Just a massive economic zone full of corruptions with armed forces led by morons.>and being supplanted by the chinksWhat the fuck does chinks and gooks have to do with this? Hello?This bait is too juvenile. I'm not gonna waste more energy to beat history into your head.
>>221381345>wishful thinkingit was horriblewhy is life so horriblewhy are these horrors possible?
>>221360709They hadn't read Berserk yet.
>>221381431the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must."
>>221360709They actually did, it was a small hand cranked piece of field artillery called the Polybolos
>>221381423you're literally living in the world created by the romans right now, faggot. could wipe all those eastern empires off the map and nothing would be different. wipe rome and people would still be living in pre-industrial civilizations
>>221381524>you're literally living in the world created by the romans right now, faggot.We're living in a world created by Jewish central banking, """free""" trade, debt economy, speculative marketing, and finance driven means. It has been a project with VOC and Dutch (((Golden Age))) which later shifted from Amsterdam to London then NYC. Your meme empire is only relevant because failed states of Europe still have some influence in media and are trying to cope with their collapsing societies.>could wipe all those eastern empires off the map and nothing would be different. wipe rome and people would still be living in pre-industrial civilizationsVery friendly reminder that your meme empire got entirely cucked from eastward expansions by Arsacid and Sassanid Empires. Got completely destroyed by Goths emerging from northeast. And ran over by Arab Muslims from southeast. Sorry to burst your pathetic bubble.Yeah, sure, if that helps you to piss without burning your dickslit and then not cry during sleep. You romaboos always, ALWAYS, expose yourself as illiterate retards chimping out with absolutely laughable rhetorics like soccer hooligans.
>>221381644imagine getting this worked up about the roman empire lmao
>>221381696>t. I can't readWe know. I accept your concession. Have a good day.
>>221365268amazing you don't realize your take makes you the boring and gay one
>>221357998did they not have wiping slaves?
>>221373873now what about if Alexander the Great had time travelled and was in charge of that army
>>221375203Alexander had a pretty prominent cavalry division far as I've read, I was learning about his eastern conquests recently and he pretty much assimilated conquered peoples over night and had them as his forces to continue his conquests all the way until India stonewalled him. What I found fascinating was how after his death his empire split into like 5 separate greek adjacent empires each one accomplished in their own way and ruled by his different generals or heirs.
>>221353360>GOOD SOLONIUS HELP ME
>>221371660War never changes.
>>221379623It doesn't make sense. There should be partitions.
