>zoomers learn about Hollywood Accounting for the first itme

>>221354075
they make them to have content on their service. anything box office they make is just free money on top

>>221354119
But why can't they make anything fucking good?

>>221354131
because it's all just nepotism and circle jerking

>>221354075
>And then you have Netlfix who doesn't even release into theaters
That’s incorrect

>>221354075
Apple, Amazon, Disney, Comcast, etc, only produce media to avoid being taxed.

>>221354131
They don’t need to. Also there’s an active disincentive to make things people want to watch.

>>221354091
fpbp, most of that budget is going straight into the producers' pockets, unless you actually believe that two episodes of Rangs of Power genuinely cost as much to make as the entire LotR movie trilogy did

>>221354075
>apple net profit last year: 100B+
yeah i don't think they are sweating about apple tv.
their goal seems to be clear. establish apple tv as the new premiere tv brand. kinda what HBO used to be.

>>221354131
it's impossible to make good art now, I'm not even being a doomer it's just the truth. if you want good movies go to your local film festival or something

>>221354131
because there used to be a rigorous system in place to weed out shit. Movies were (are) very expensive to make and very high risk investments so only the best of the best scripts were considered then very talented directors hired to bring them to life.

Streaming services were (are) desperate for content, any content, so you had loads of bottom of the barrel goyslop all dumped on the market all at once over the last decade

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>>221354229
Feels like they've taken the goodwill that Hollywood created, and are slowly destroying it. You'd think there'd be an incentive for their brand to be like "Wow, Netflix can make really good movies."

>>221354246
It's funny because once Netflix pivoted to a streaming service the whole appeal was that they had practically every movie in one place.
Now they've been picked apart by every other studio and publisher making their own shitty service and all they've really got is their own original shit that nobody cares about same as all the others

>>221354182
No, most of the budget goes to shell companies owned by the parent company which will then be loaned back to the parent company and the debt will be forgiven.

>>221354131
same anon as here >>221354131 and the person you originally asked.

Put it this way. If you wrote a script in the past you had to actively lobby and have connections to even get it into someone's hands who could even be capable of getting you a meeting to pitch it to someone who could actually get it made. Even if they bought the rights to it, it could still be a decade before it got made, if ever.

The situation now is completely reversed. These streaming services might as well be putting flyers on college campuses for English 101 students "stop by and bring us a script to make a movie!"

This is why netflix makes so many video game and anime adaptations, because it is shit that already exists and even the hacks they have working for them can make a script out of material and stories that already exist. And they still even do that competently (see cowby bepop, ghost in the shell, resident evil etc)

>>221354075
>keep making woke shit that constantly attack, emasculate and belittle straight white men
>refuse to make even a single show aimed at straight white men
>keep losing money
its not about money, its about demoralizing white men so they don't fight back while they continue to rape our countries

>>221354263
I miss when you could just like watch ANY movie and order the DVDs in the extremely convenient letter pouches. Like, you might have to plan ahead an wait a few days for a particular movie but it was ANY movie you have ever heard of. Millennials got Cable TV then Blockbuster and actually started connecting with American 20th century canon and Netflix opened the entire thing up to anyone.

>>221354131
dei, literally impossible to hire talented white guy writers, it has to be a fat woman or a none white

>>221354075
Netflix is the only one who knows how to do this properly btw.
Apple and Amazon (and Max and D+) are all just chasing netflix.
Netflix has a very fancy and complicated algorithm for figuring out exactly how much a film is worth.
Let me break it down.
If you're a dumbass, you see a film like The Irishman cost $200m or thereabouts and didn't do *that* well and assume it was a really bad investment on netflix's part since there's no way it gained enough subscribers to justify its cost.
Then you see a film like The Grey Man that did really well and wonder why netflix doesn't only make films like that.
What you don't see is that viewing numbers are only a small part of the film's value. The Irishman, for example, being on netflix is a classic Scorsese gangster film starring DeNiro (quality notwithstanding). Any and every Scorsese and DeNiro fan has to watch it. They have to get netflix to watch it (boomers don't understand piracy). After they get netflix, they watch all the slop on there like The Grey Man. So every viewer The Irishman brings in watches a lot more shit than just that.
Conversely, no one *needs* to watch The Grey Man. That film isn't selling subscriptions. But everyone who has a subscription will watch it because it's inoffensive fun. So it barely brings in any viewers. But gets lots of views.

This is a simplification. But like I say, netflix is the only who understands this properly and it's why they're very successful. Everyone else is just holding out trying to leech off their model.

>>221354075
Apple TV isn’t supposed to make profit on its own as a streaming service, dumbass. They make you pay for every movie and show separately if it’s not their own original content. It’s just to lock people to using apple+ subscription and keep using Apple products.

>>221354337
How do you demoralize people with shit they won’t watch?

>>221354243
>because there used to be a rigorous system in place to weed out shit.

Holy shit you’re stupid. Shitty low budget stuff was always made. Even bigger budgeted shit that flopped hard was made all the time. You just don’t remember nor pay attention to them

>>221354325
>This is why netflix makes so many video game and anime adaptations

They make those because their data shows that it’s popular and appeals to the right key demographics they want to hook, dummy. Like studios Netflix knows people are obsessed with popular IPs and that gets eyeballs to your service

>>221354380
Yeah, but now the high-budget movies is virtually all garbave. You’d think if a studio spent $600 million, they could at least make one good film. Ten $60 million movies should produce at least one good ones. Instead, they're is churning out expensive garbage at a rate we haven’t really seen before.

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>>221354182
>>221354309
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>>221354380
I know the TV & Film industries were always dirty and crooked but it's definitely gotten worse because, as much as they'd rig and obfuscate it, there used to at least be a vague perceptible connection between production and capitalism

And it definitely wasn't always high quality or pleasant either, but you could grasp the sort of fairness of it
>not enough people watched Rome, sorry
>every fucking boomer is watching NCIS, here's another one

>Michael Bay's Tit Explosion has made three trillion dollars, franchise time
>Oh wow, Quirkie Indie Faggots flopped at the box office but actually did solid business in DVD rental so director Higgensworth Figgenbottom is getting another feature

Now it's just a black box, the whole thing. Apparently infinite money for apparently zero viewership.
There was a blog I rather liked, a lot of inside baseball there. For over a decade they predicted with over 90% certainty whether any given show would be canceled within the next year. In 2020, they went out of business. They acknowledged it was because nothing made sense anymore, their previously highly accurate metrics had no further use to judge success or failure.

>>221354363
Its not about them watching. It's about them watching their heroes from yesteryear get "deconstructed", turned into villains, or emasculated by the grrlboss the writers really wanted to write about. Sure most of these lose hundreds of millions, but the Corpos that push this shit are making tens of billions in profits elsewhere.

>>221354131
>Venture capital companies invest heavily into DEI and ESG in entertainment media as a potential untapped market
>Companies retool and restructure their projects and staff composition to maximize chances of obtaining said investment
>The media produced is mostly composed of moderate to massive flops but now the entire corporate culture of American entertainment media has transformed to only hire and promote ideological zealots who continue to push these projects forward despite investment significantly drying up.

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I know Star Trek is finally over but I want everybody to grasp it

Ten years
Seven new series
265 episodes
About $2 billion in total production costs

And nobody watched ANY of it. The sum total of all of it, combined, probably failed to reach the viewership of any individual random episode of a bald guy angrily quoting Shakespeare at a Canadian in rubber face makeup that aired on antenna television, thirty years ago

A fucking ghost machine that ran on that long, utterly unattended

>>221354349
>writing an intelligent post in a shitposting thread where we complain
Are you dumb?

>>221354349
Jokes on them
They cancelled at least five shows I liked. Their big shit sucked.
They’ve worn out their welcome.
I’ve unsubscribed and am not coming back.
More and more people will feel this way.
Season 3 of whatever show about 5 years late won’t get me to resub I’ve already lost interest.

This shit does happen. Netflix exist because they did it to Blockbuster.
You know Blockbuster’s business model was hoping you’d turn videos back late and charge fees right?
Netflix’s entire opening was “no late fees”.

Soon someone will figure out a media business strategy that sinks Netflix.
I think it will be a hybrid model but main points are
>watch anything
>subscription grants a certain number of views per month
>You can pay just a little for more
>Discounts on big new releases
Like Amazon but cheaper and a better deal. This will create a model where good product sells better.
But the key is
>social events
If enough people trend on a thing it just becomes free. Locking people into the service as the new lifestyle model that makes the lifestyle of Netflix obsolete

>>221354422
It all makes perfect sense, you just have to understand that viewers aren't the target audience. The target audience of these shows is government backed financiers. These financiers finance shows with money printed from nothing. It's government backed propaganda, that's all.

>>221354512
If that's the case then you'd have to acknowledge, for whatever propaganda and manipulation was always present, that "humans in front of a screen viewing it" was an actual crucial part of the equation from the 1910s to the 2010s and no longer is

>>221354341
I like how every post gushing about how great netflix and blockbuster were ignores the internet existing. When netflix started the dvd mailing thing, the average household internet bandwidth (read: dialup) was sufficient to download a full dvd in about two weeks. People were already distributing movies in shit like .rm and other formats to download movies quicker. By the time netflix started streaming, the average household bandwidth had been sufficient to download movies in less time than it took to watch them for years, and the quality wasn’t utterly fucking miserable.

To say, the only people who cared about netflix, ever, were the tech illiterate.

>>221354531
why do you pirates not understand that not everyone likes to fucking download shit illegally. pirating is obviously economically the most rational way to do it but that's not why people don't do it.

>>221354524
Viewers in front of screen viewing it isn't part of the equation, it's the end goal. It's simply an attempt to manufacture consensus by bombarding people with messaging. Yes, they want people to watch it. No, people not watching it isn't going to get them to stop making it, they're just going to try different ways to trick people into consuming the slop.

They don't want to change the show to what the audience wants, they want to change the audience to what the show wants.

>>221354439
>its not about watching, its about watching
if they don’t watch it, they won’t see it. If they don’t see it, it didn’t happen. Your paranoid nonsense hinges upon the things you insist are happening being perceived. If they aren’t, they didn’t happen.

It doesn’t matter how much some shillfarm spams about joker 2, as no one cares what happened in the movie, as no one watched it.

>>221354489
I want to be all snarky and respond like "well then why don't you go make this billion dollar idea?" pretending like that's feasible.
But being serious, the problem is that the big companies don't like sharing. Any idea that would make someone rich and dominate the market wouldn't work because the big company would want that money for themselves. That's why netflix no longer has every show and film like they used to: they became too successful and every other company felt like they were losing out.

Your idea is basically a new streaming service that rents other content with a direct fee (in a semi hidden way by pretending it's a subscription). Doing this, you'd be able to easily get all that content, but it would be more expensive than the distributor's own platform. And that's what would stop the other parts of your model (paying only a little more for more films, discounts on big releases) unless you were prepared to subsidise the cost yourself (because the companies wouldn't).

Like no matter how good of an idea you have, disney won't give your service The Avengers 6 at a lower price point than they sell it directly off Disney Plus. And you can say "well i don't want Avengers 6, I only want kino" and then you're completely missing the point.

>>221354531
>why don't people want to find a tracker, use a VPN, dodge fake links, manage files, pick codecs, cast from a laptop, troubleshoot subtitles, worry about malware, or explain to their spouse why the movie is in a folder called Alien.Romulus.2024.2160p.WEB-DL.x265-GROUP

>>221354420
>Yeah, but now the high-budget movies is virtually all garbave.
Not true, they’re just make more mediocre ones because they have to be bland as possible in order to appeal to the mass audiences (in theory) because they budgets are so high they need to make way more money than before
>You’d think if a studio spent $600 million, they could at least make one good film.
They do that, you just watch too much capeshit
>Ten $60 million movies should produce at least one good ones.
They don’t make moderate budget movies because their profit margins are a small and it’s easier to wager big on blockbusters
>Instead, they're is churning out expensive garbage at a rate we haven’t really seen before.
Because all studios want Avengers money now and chase that even when it’s nonsensical because it’s how you get big bonuses. Also audiences don’t go see small pictures anymore, they only go to theatres for epic shit like Avatar and whatever horror has buzz
>but horror is small bud-
And most of them don’t make much money but once in a while one does. Audiences are also way more interested in watching a random horror movie with no stars than a drama or action movie with mo stars. That’s just a fact

>>221354598
All that and you don't even name one of these "good films"

>>221354548
Anon. You’d download a car. You’d download a car in a fucking heartbeat.

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My peak doomer take is that humanity has also degraded too much to even grasp TV shows or movies anymore
Very few things click with audiences because audiences have moved on beyond the medium itself, to fucking TikToks and YouTube reels

The same way dime novels and radio serials used to be the centers of pop culture entertainment and then went to extinction

It's amusing how dead comic books are, but they shuffle on subsidized by their own studios - major comic labels are literally down 90%, 95%, sometimes 99% from the industry peak in 1992

>>221354579
>I am tech illiterate

>>221354611
Okay, but I wouldn't download a fucking movie because they're not the same thing, dipshit.

>>221354075
Apple has ‘fuck you’ money that they can waste on award bait TV shows nobody watches. They can spend $100,000,000 on a show that’s shot in three countries, and still get lower viewership than 20 year old The Office reruns. It’s like how Xbox has been losing Microsoft money for years.

>>221354618
>The same way dime novels and radio serials used to be the centers of pop culture entertainment and then went to extinction

They didn't go extinct, they just changed medium. There's a huge ecosystem of the modern equivalent of dime novels that exists in places like Kindle Unlimited and Royal Road.

>>221354562
Viewers in front of a screen was the primary means of monetizing broadcast media, as it determined the value of ad space. You keep gibbering that the goal was always propaganda, but propaganda no one sees has no effect.

>>221354623
>Tech retards not realizing that people can do things besides stare at a fucking monitor all day.

>>221354626
If that were the case, then “you wouldn’t download a car” wouldn’t be a sentence you’ve ever heard before.

>>221354653
I'm glad there's more than one of us ITT seeing how frustrating this asshole is
Because I'm ready to buy into the jews/the CIA/the freemasons/etc. but I am not ready to buy into "Of course nobody on earth even knowing or caring that our $200 million movie exists is a key part of our scheme"

>>221354665
You're an idiot

>>221354075
It's the tech-company approach to burn through collectors money in an effort to grow then figure out cost efficiency later.

It's a pretty bad concept when it comes to entertainment.

>>221354654
>I am tech illiterate

you click once and walk away to do anything else. Hell, you click once and watch the movie immediately in most cases.

>>221354679
Well, to be fair, if the intentional 200m loss suddenly made a ton of money, then they need to make even more intentional losses to avoid being taxed.

>>221354690
People have fucking lifes outside of fucking scouring the internet in the early 2000s for fucking websites to download movies illegally. Yeah, actually, it is easier to just go to a store and pick up a DVD than try to spend hours figuring this shit out. How do you not get this?

Spending all your time trying to save money is just a poor person mentality.

>>221354075
I subbed to a one week free trial once and was astonished how little content is on
you could watch it all in under a month and then not subscribe again for another 2 years
what the fuck are they doing

>>221354683
Anon. If they didnt care deeply about piracy you would not have been inundated with anti-piracy campaigns. You needed to be told to not copy that floppy. They tried to make “download” a synonym for “steal.”

>>221354531
Yeah we know dude we were fucking there dumbass

>>221354608
Top Gun Maverick. Wow that wasn’t hard

>>221354716
We aren't arguing the same thing at this point.

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>>221354579
This is one of the most retarded posts I've seen in a while.

I can search for any film or TV show in my torrent program with an inbuilt search, download it, chuck it on an external hard drive or USB and play it through my TV. In my 15+ years of piracy I have never found a virus in an avi / mp4 / mkv file.

>>221354705
Peer to peer was already going strong in the 00s. Before that most downloads came from newsgroups. But hey, you’re tech illiterate. Netflix’s entire business model hinged upon getting between (you) and actual knowledge.

>>221354577
Then how does Spotify do it?

This is what I hate about 110-130 IQ men. You’ve got the “sitch” so fucking figured out you’re fucking blind to anything that’s not the “sitch”

>>221354732
>Oh my God, one in a hundred fucking movies (a fucking boomer legacy sequel to boot) is good! That disproves my whole point!
I'm so sick of the fucking autists on this site who think pointing out a single counterexample is a fucking argument.

>>221354746
NTA but Spotify was in a much more favorable position to monopolize basically everything into one digital storefront because the music industry had already been raped into oblivion at the time harder than the film industry was

The equivalent of the Netflix Fracture never came because Sony, UMG or Warner were never able to even imagine they could go "That's it, we'll make our own Spotify with blackjack and hookers"

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>>221354741
>you’re tech illiterate.
Okay, who gives shit? Chad at the bank doesn't. Stacy at the tanning salon doesn't.

What type of goblin care about being tech illiterate? Remember this is how tech literate people were depicted for decades

>>221354577
Actually the main reason netflix was allowed to dominate streaming for so long was because the paramount accords made it a legal gray area for companies like disney to start a distribution platform. Technically netflix starting to produce original content was in violation of the paramount accords. They were dissolved in 2019 which was when every other company started streaming platforms.

>>221354737
We never were. You were spouting bullshit and I was spouting facts.

>>221354758
I’m sorry, did you want a massive list in order to convince that turd you call a brain that good big budget movies are still being made?

>>221354784
>Remember this is how tech literate people were depicted for decades
and that is a problem now because...?

>>221354784
>yeah I’m tech illiterate but I don’t care

>>221354422
blackrock funding

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>>221354809
Sorry I can't argue with this many retards at once, please have sex

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>>221354816
>yeah I’m tech illiterate but I don’t care

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>>221354792
It's brutal if you look at the Big Six

>Disney: used to be on Netflix, now on Disney+
>Warner: used to be on Netflix, now on HBO Max
>Paramount: used to be on Netflix, now on Paramount+
>MGM: used to be on Netflix, now on Amazon Prime
>Universal: used to be on Netflix, now on Peacock (jesus wept what a literally who of literally whos)
>Sony: used to be on Netflix, still on Netflix
thank you for your loyalty Sony

>>221354770
> raped into oblivion
Guess you haven’t checked box office figures lately

The key is lifestyle. Blockbuster fucked their lifestyle by making stress over turning your spur of the moment rental decision into a punishing late fee you regret.

Netflix is currently doing that with its garbage woke shit and the fact that its position in the industry is forcing everyone else to wither away.

That’s a recipe for the emergence of the thing that fucks Netflix.
Like I said, it will be social media trending, collective experience driven. Anything that’s trending gets cheaper until it’s free. Everyone will sign up it will be the new water cooler effect

New media will start off pay per view, so there’s profit incentive again to make good shit

>>221354784
>using films for a basis of reality

You know you can be tech literate and do other things right? Do you think people who lift weights can't read books? IRL isn't an RPG where you have limited stat distribution.

>>221354784
>losing argument
>incel incel incel

>>221354846
>Sony
They tried to be Crackle for a while
Didn't work out too well

>>221354380
holy shit you're stupid. stfu moron

>>221354075
Those shows and movies probably cost only a fraction of what they claim. They're mostly filmed in front of a green screen with cheap CGI and mostly unknown diversity cast actors. They use the highest possible budget estimates to get tax breaks and write offs.

>>221354857
What’s really killing Netflix is they cancel shows people like or take ten years to make a new season. That whole model is fucked.

>>221354861
Oh my B, bro. You're right. Tech guys were fucking sex symbols and every chick wanted them. It was just a fucking myth perpetuated by the normies who were so jealous of their sexual conquests.

>>221354131
Because the media isn't made for you. Its made for Netflix.
>But I'm a paying customer
That's right, you are buying a subscription to a service that offers a selection of media to watch on it. You are not buying a piece of media on that service, only the service itself. Therefore, the media isn't made for you, you're just getting access to the place it can be viewed.

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>>221354380
>HERE IS THE EXCEPTIONS THAT PROVE THE RULE
And this moron is calling other people stupid. Yes cheap movies were always made, but they weren't being released to theaters and they didnt cost 200 million dollars to make you absolutely retard.

>>221354857
>Guess you haven’t checked box office figures lately
If box office figures looked like that in 2010 Netflix would still own All Of The Content.

Spotify came in at the right time as CD sales were dwindling and alternatives like Rhapsody and Pandora were failing that they were able to grab everybody by the balls. And their job was a bit easier because Every Song You've Ever Heard Of is owned by three companies, whereas Every Movie You've Ever Heard Of is owned by six.

And I can't guarantee the future! Any of the three record companies may in fact go full retard tomorrow, take all of their shit off of Spotify, start their own Spotify, kill themselves and Spotify, simultaneously.

Oh, Steam's another example. It's really, really hard to be in the PC gaming industry and ignore Steam. A handful of major players like the studios behind Warcraft and Fortnite and League of Legends manage it, and of course Fortnite's is especially asshurt about it.

>>221354846
Paramount plans on absorbing HBO Max into Paramount+. What a disaster that service has been (HBO Go —>HBO Now —> HBO Max —>Max —>HBO Max —>Paramount+). And Peacock is probably going to be absorbed into Apple or Amazon.

>>221354758
To be fair, the post that anon was replying to said "you don't even name one"
And yes, in logic a single edge case suffices as a counterargument

>>221354927
>And yes, in logic a single edge case suffices as a counterargument
Literally kill yourself in the most painful way possible

>>221354927
“High-budget movies are virtually all garbage now” means something like the overwhelming majority are bad, not every single one is bad. So naming one good high-budget movie does not logically refute it.

>>221354923
Netflix wanted to buy Warner so bad lol
It reminds me of the late 19th century when there were a lot of people who were literal royalty that weren't as wealthy as they used to be, and then marrying off their daughters to nouveau riche financiers who wanted titles of nobility that didn't actually have cash value but were flexes of psychological "legitimacy"

It probably kills them that Amazon was able to succeed at this diablerie first with MGM

>>221354770
The music industry had been raped into oblivion by the mp3. It simply wasn’t possible for them to do music streaming because their entire model of distribution had been rendered completely obsolete and the dot-bomb told them straight that a music streaming platform simply wasn’t possible.

Netflix was built around seeing that writing on the wall and jumping around and screaming “I’ll mail you that flo- DVD! Download the car from me!”

>>221354579
hello MPAA

>>221354883
We’re already at the point where people simply won’t watch something until it’s finished. And if it’s canceled, they won’t watch it at all.

>>221354896
Don’t tell him about how watching something on a streaming platform costs money for the platform.

>>221354966
The point is that Spotify largely succeeded where Netflix didn't, in keeping all of the IP in their stable. Hell, Taylor Swift briefly tried to revolt against them and failed, and that kind of public crucifixion likely secured them years of monopoly
There was a brief moment where Netflix almost managed to have all of the IP in their stable and then it fled

>>221354916
The point you’re missing is music revenue is higher than ever and labels need to do nothing but rake in the cash. Spotify basically saved the labels from complete erasure.

>>221355018
>missing
I'm fully aware of that and predicating my entire narrative on that, you motherfucker
I'll kill you

>>221354943
>lose argument
>k-kill y-ursefl

>>221354075
Literally every person working in big tech is a con artist

>>221355010
The point is Spotify succeeded because the labels were about a 12 year old’s cunthair away from simply not existing at all. They had no power Spotify saved them. Now all their revenue is basically free money from music streaming. Netflix almost did the same thing, they just played their hand too early, and gave the failing movie industry a shot in the arm that allowed it to rise up and fight back.

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>>221355030
>If you don't address my autism you lose

>>221355058
>if you don’t address my argument you lose
Yep. That’s how it works.

>>221355057
Why are we phrasing this like an argument when we literally agree on every point of what happened

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>>221354075
propaganda aint cheap

>>221355075
I thought we were just having a discussion on how what happened to Netflix won’t happen to Spotify.

>>221355075
where do you think we are

>>221354075
you need to add the marketing budget

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>>221355066
Nope, there's a reason they tell retards to shut up in court. At some point you just can't reason with them.

>>221355091
too bad incel you lost and got raped

>>221355085
of what use is propaganda no one sees?

>>221355099
>I lost the argument s-save me judge wapner!

>>221355085
>300IQ philosopher queen
>spent years pretending to be a retarded drug addicted whore
in retrospect what the fuck WAS her endgame

>>221355100
I’m the only person in this thread who mentioned the mp3 and the dotbomb as the causal factors that obliterated the music label system, allowing Spotify to reach out and pull the labels from oblivion, and hold on to them. Whereas Netflix saw Hollywood drunkenly teetering on the edge of oblivion, rushed in, pushed them away and fell down, and hollywood too drunk to even be aware it happened.

>>221354075
>And then you have Netlfix who doesn't even release into theaters
I'm so fucking mad about the live action gundam, it escaped netflix and then somehow made it's way back to them, it's not like the movie is going to be good, seeing the mobile suits on the big screen was the only fucking value this endeavor was going to have

>>221355119
Getting rich enough to hire a jeetfarm for basically nothing to scour the internet for any mention of her and respond with praise.

>>221355119
Fame based on her own brand and the world not taking her seriously so she may do what she wants with her fathers empire.

>>221354119
I dont think this can be really evaluated this way. You dont know if someone subbed Apple TV because of Napoleon or he wanted to see Dark Matter again.

>>221355187
this doesnt contradict my point in any way lad. Just because they dont know specifically why someone subs tot he service has nothing to do with the fact that NO ONE will sub if you dont ahve anything there to watch

>>221355119
She's a basic bitch retard. She got a lot of attention for acting mentally deficient so she went with it. Then she got mad that no one respected her so she tried to fix her image with a heavy pr campaign about how it was all just an act. (the things money can buy when you're the daughter of a billionaire)
She is genuinely a retard. Just not as fucking stupid as she pretended.

>>221355187
>you don’t know
that’s the entire point. The reason all the studios wanted streaming platforms was so they wouldn’t have to release viewership information.

>>221354449
>despite investment significantly drying up.
here's where you're wrong buck-o.
the people pushing clown world are either true believers in clown world (foids/shitskins) or hate you and want it because they know it hurts you (kikes). in either case there is plenty of money in activist investors, government rebates, tax write-offs and hollywood accounting.
money is no object to either faction because they are not driven by money.
horrible dei media is not going away for decades.

>>221355205
That’s okay, we’ll give away subscriptions for free and then count them the same as paying subscribers while we let (you) do the math and think we’re pulling in billions a year

>>221355224
Of what effect
Has propaganda
That is not seen?

>>221354408
Netflix (or any streaming service) has even more granular information about what people are watching.
I genuinely miss their old algorithm back they used to have back in the day, if it suggested something to you with 5 stars you could be confident [You] would probably really enjoy it.

>>221355287
They definitely had to get rid of that as they lost 90% of their movies
I know how basic bitch it is now but I still vividly remember watching Reservoir Dogs for the first time, and it leading me to Pulp Fiction, then off on a tangent to Robert Rodriguez

I also remember the day that literally no matter what you watched, it just recommended Stranger Things to you

>>221355287
That’s why they silently disabled it and replaced it with a program that just pushes whatever is new. They can say their algorithm pushes what’s popular, and they don’t have to say it isn’t enabled at all anymore.

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>>221355101
I think people see it. The directors, producers, and actors going to CIA meetings probably helps in other ways too!
>>221355119
>what the fuck WAS her endgame
Finding a BFF

>>221355187
>I dont think this can be really evaluated this way.
It can.
It's not cheap or simple. But it can be done. See >>221354349

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>>221355213
>basic bitch retard
this is literally a god tier build

>>221355282
Well for one thing you didn't watch a heroic movie with manly men who are all white and have strong masculine values with wives and a family because it never got made because it's all dei shit now.
Second, they don't care about money so they don't really mind if you don't watch because they know you hate it anyway. So long as it stares you in the face every time you look for something to watch it's job is done.
Do you ever go to your local gay pride parade, anon? They're going to have it whether or not you show up.

>>221355414
jokes on you I watched the harryhausen clash of the titans

>>221354422
>Apparently infinite money for apparently zero viewership.
It isnt expected to be immediate returns like it used to be. These are products that they expect "infinite returns" from as they only have to pay to make it once and it is on the service forever presumably prompting people to subscribe. They know the writing is on the wall for cable so they dont have to let showtime or HBO "rent" it to show tot heir audiences or other commercial showing cable stations in the later years. No one gets to show it or make money off it but them, exclusively for its entire life. It is easy to justify 200 million dollar budget for a prodcut that has infinite shelf life, you know at some int he future it is 100% certain to produce a positive ROI

>>221354959
That's literally the counterpoint he asked for and he received it.

>>221355521
you’re getting away from the point that streaming platforms owned by companies who don’t need them to be a primary revenue stream simply use the platforms to hide profits and avoid taxation. You’re talking as if the business model needs to be legitimate.

>>221355652
Sure, but my point >>221354732 wasn't name literally one movie and the argument collapses. It was that he >>221354598 made a bunch of claims without even giving one that wasn't a decade old. Not a very strong argument imo.

>>221355943
>ask for one movie
>get one movie
>noooo that wasn’t my point nooooooo

>>221355996
Yeah, except the original arguemnt was that virtually all high budget movies now are garbage. Naming one movie doesnt disprove the original point. And Maverick is still slop

>>221354091
>>221354182
retards

>>221354131
They clearly do.
>okay like what?
You're on a television and film board. You should know about what movies have been released by these streamers that are good.

>>221356326
All the shills in here defending the industry like theater attention and profits aren't down despite a surge in spending

>>221354075
>Are these tech streamers retarded?
Yes. There's no way to monetize streaming without ads or pay per view models, and the pay per view model negates the need to subscribe.

Streaming is a bust.

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>>221354943
>>221354959
∀ and ∃
To elaborate, when it comes to claims made using an Existential qualifier ("there exists at least x many of..") and Universal qualifier ("all rectangles are squares") it does suffice to provide a single or a few counter-examples.
I think you (>>221354959 + >>221355943
) are being quite reasonable and charitable, but there's a lot of noise in this conversation because of drive-by posters.
I agree that as far as casual conversation goes, we shouldn't take each other's words so literally or assign technical meaning and there's nothing to be won by saying, "well AKSHUALLY in logic I'm right", that was more just me jumping in defense of another anon cause I don't like to see people call each other retards using tools they don't understand (Im a high functioning retard myself and put myself under crossfire often when it gives me a chance to learn something new and support someone else)

just rambling idk

>>221354131
>But why can't they make anything fucking good?
White Boomers decides to pretty much stop hiring capable people in favor of browns, across industries. The effects on writing rooms are what you are seeing.
https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-lost-generation/

>>221356433
(and I agree that just 1 example doesn't refute the broader point, at most that one anon's statement about naming ONE. but that's an uncharitable interpretation and not conducive to discourse)

>>221356414
Tax evasi- avoidance makes it worth it.

>>221354131
movies and tv used to be made by professionals. now it’s just xillennials with pink hair who think digital is superior to film.

>>221356433
>>221356486
I appreciate your well thought outtake on the matter. Sometimes these things are difficult to put into words

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>>221354476
They just need to stop.

>>221354476
I think this is indicative of the larger point. Like, how do you spend this much money and just create trash over and ovewr again?

>>221356479
thanks obama
they even ruined air traffic control feeder systems

>>221354075
Apple TV is literally the only good streaming service.
Others might have one hit like Clarkson's Farm or Stranger Things but Apple has a lot of watchable stuff.

you guys just dont get apple's model

they arent in the business of selling tickets at the box office. they want to sell you a little apple tv hardware box for $199 and and appletv streaming service subscription for $99/yr. and do you know what works best with said apple tv hardware? a $1500 iphone and a $2000 mac and $300 airpods and $300 beats and all the apps you will buy to run on every device they are taking 30% from the developers.

they netted $112 BILLION dollars in 2025 which was a 20% increase over 2024. lmao i dont think they give a shit if killers of the flower moon flopped at the box office.

>>221354075
Good. I"m still mad at them for breaking generations of tradition by buying the rights to the Charlie Brown Christmas and Halloween specials for their fucking streaming service.

>>221354131
Streaming is a content black hole. They don’t give a shit if you really stream something as long as they get the sub. If anything they prefer “discourse” over their quality anyway. Just playing the numbers game they will get the occasional Stranger Things, Joe Exotic, or Kpop Demon Hunters.

>>221357088
Streaming your movies/tv is akin to downloading your games instead of having physical media: the absolutel elimination of used media trade/sales, and the absolute monitoring and data-harvesting over what you watch and play.

It's all part of Larry Fink's "you will own nothing and be happier for it" agenda.

>>221357163
I own dat ass and I will be happy

>>221354075
>argylle :$200M budget
half of that went to that fat bitch for catering

>>221354476
I do think it's pretty insane that these people went out of their way to spend billions of dollars to attempt to destroy the legacy of Star Trek of all things. As a property it's literally as harmless as it gets and they attempted to subvert all qualities it possessed by turning it into violence slop where people yell at and scream at and hate each other. It was so confusing, I wonder if they really think that they are skilled enough to brainwash people in such a way.

>>221357557
>the legacy of Star Trek
show created by a guy who molested his own kids and glowed about it in interviews.

>>221354476
The punchline is they could’ve kept up appearances if they had been able to keep up convention attendance by not forcing nutrek front and center

>>221354131
DEI unironically. These companies are full of office women who don’t care about anything except really shallow political pandering

>>221357609
but enough about your erotic fanfiction

>>221356859
because there's an active disincentive to put things people want to watch on a streaming platform.

>>221354223
Their goal is to keep people within their ecosystem and eventually deliver recurring service revenue. If someone buys an iPhone and uses Spotify, YouTube or Netflix all the time, Apple makes far less off of them than if they were using Apple Music and TV.

>>221354873
Crackle was an AVOD platform like Tubi, not a proper competitor to Netflix. Sony were extremely stupid to quit as early as they did.

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>>221357557
from the propagandist angle, star trek is the epitome of "this too shall pass," made in a time when people were sure nuclear armageddon was right around the corner and humanity would be consumed by the hubris of a small number of egotistical tyrants. Since now we're all under the great jewish thumb, they definitely don't want any such messaging.

the reality is they're just incompetent. They took something with universal appeal and tried to divide it up into shit that would focus on what specific demographics wanted. they wanted std to be their big epic war show, prodigy to be the children's show that taught autistic kids about emotions and shit, picard to be about revisiting characters, and short treks to be the shitty inane b-plots that some episodes had. Then they realized this categorically failed, so they tried to make strange new worlds the everyone show and university the woke show, ya know, for today's super woke teens! They're only packing it up now because that's too close to acknowledging that the obese purple haired genderqueer lesbian with custom pronouns demographic doesn't actually exist and they can't make it exist.

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>>221354075
You have to spend money to make money.

>>221354075
How do you calculate a profit from movies that are made for you to get a subscription service you fucking retard.

>>221358209
you don't. and no one will ever know.

>>221357861
Its more rather they hire such people, instead of the competent, because those people don't believe in competency.

>>221354476
trekkies are famously the originators of slop loyalists. im sure they watched it all.

>>221358519
No, we didn't. In fact, we were so adamant in our refusal cbs/paramount marketers tried to create a new group, "trekkers," to replace us.

>>221358209
The main explanation you'll get is that they try to assess them by subscriber retention and acquisition. Subscriptions are where the moneys at now

>>221358586
literally every subscription model is built around the hope people will just forget they have it and keep paying for it.

>>221358586
>Subscriptions are where the moneys at now
Lol, no. Netflix has been propped up by VC for ages.

>>221354075
The streaming service model is such a bottomless money pit it's hilarious. You can't make any money from it with already produced content because at some point people will run out of things they want to watch and cut off the subscription and you can't make money from it with original content because you will never recoup the costs without the outlets that tv networks had (ads backed by real viewership numbers, syndication deals, oversea markets, dvd sales) and people will only subscribe for the months the new contents they are interested in releases (which for tv shows could happen after a wait of 2+ years). Both also have increasing costs for the service like residuals and exclusive deals.
It was sustainable only when Netflix had the monopoly, and even then their original content was somewhat few and far between and they were very careful with the costs.

>>221354075
Well, their subscribers paid for that dogshit up front so what did they expect? Quality programming? You get what they put in the slop bucket, piggies.

>>221359020
anon subscription isn't "paying up front."

>>221359085
That's very literally what it is.

>>221354075
$1 Billion to Apple is some coins you find wedged in the couch cushions.
It's a very cheap cost for capturing even just a small slice of pop-culture.

>>221358976
Why do you think every streaming service is filled with ads now? Hell, Netflix now has a mobile gaming service to milk. Streaming is nothing more than cable tv with on demand service at this point.

>>221359224
anon they do it to avoid taxes.

>>221354075
after a certain point the money decouples from reality and just acts as a KPI.
like it's real to you and me who need food & housing & shit, but to a corporation it's not existential at this point (just points).

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>>221354091
it's beyond that level of ground floor midwit analysis.
the purpose of the system is what it does; and the purpose of Hollywood isn't to make money (that's Wall Street's purpose).
it's cybernetic: literally steering goyim/cattle/masses.

>>221359360
holy shit. someone who gets it. furthermore at that point being taxed would be the worst thing possible, as being taxed would be losing more money than it is possible to spend on pretty much anything.

>>221359401
taxes at a high level is just punishment for sitting on money (not investing) and doing rent-seeking.

>>221359419
coupled with inflation it "motivates" liquidity in a market.

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>>221354131
They objectively have the best streaming catalog and it's not even close.

HBO Max has a better library overall, but that's mostly due to legacy titles from the pre-streaming era, their new additions are very hit and miss.

Amazon Prime and Paramount+ have a few shiny productions that are however completely hollow artistically.
Disney+ has the same problem, except their prestige content also looks cheap as fuck, despite the high production costs.

Netflix is a complete joke, they're just trash TV at this point, a mix of TLC and late-stage MTV, but completely devoid of the transgressive tone that made those mildly interesting.

Every other streamer is an empty hallway.

>>221359436
>>221359419
which translates to "investing" into shell companies you own, who then loan the money back, and forgive the loan.

>>221359397
how do you steer "cattle" with a "whip" (so to speak) no one will see or hear?

>>221359473
Good question. Not my problem.
Hollywood lost the plot.

>>221355213
Correct.
It was so obvious when every media outlet ran her or AT THE SWME TIME “actullly she’s really smart and a good businesswomen”

>>221355010
Pandora

>>221359580
Or, the reality, is they are in the money making business but the model of selling individual pieces of entertainment has been obsolete since 2007, so now they're exclusively in the "accounting" business.

>>221354075
$1bn a year for Apple is peanuts.

>>221354075
That's so nice of them, giving us kino at cost. We truly are privileged to live in this era!
Thank you, based Bezos.

>>221359397
>it's cybernetic: literally steering goyim/cattle/masses.
they even call the modern algorithms "The Feed".
goycattle is such an apt tautology for us...
>>221359611
I gave up on the "accounting" stuff; the elite are Post-Accounting because none of them will ever go to jail for accounting fraud/chicanery.
It's all an illusion of propriety to keep the small people paying into the ponzi scheme.
Trying to rationalize this on an individual level of greed isn't going anywhere despite feeling cathartic.

>>221354732
the point of Top Gun Maverick was to prime you for the Iran War.
Rewatch the film.

>thing make money, therefore it good!!!
>thing no make money, therefore it bad!!!
The absolute state of this board.

>>221359641
to be fair, there's nothing illegal about shell companies.

>>221359703
iran has been the most likely target for "the next war" since before you were born.

>>221359711
It used to be

>thing make money, they make more thing
>thing lose money, they stop make thing

now it's
>all thing lose money
>make more thing forever
like they've invented fucking post-scarcity but it only works when you're making quarter billion dollar biopics of african lesbians

>>221359711
If thing make no money there won't be more of the thing.

>>221354131
Yeah, most of their shows are terrible. Silo started off decent but it became one of those, every episode is filler until the final episode of the season shows.

>>221355085
Sure it is, look at all the Russian hookers taking a diarrhea dump all over /pol/. They pay them like 50 cents per hour.

>>221359712
>to be fair, there's nothing illegal about shell companies
see that's what's Post-Law/Post-Accounting; it completely just says fuck it with "The Spirit of the Law" and acknowledges it's just an arbitrary game of rules.
One of those: they-know-we-know-they-know things; Epstein class systemic shit (business as usual).
In a better world, these people would be executed for even less subterfuge (well insulated from the Sword of Damocles at this point).
>>221359726
40+ years.
The film definitely acts as propaganda for a morally permissible first strike against Iran.
It's a spectacular film, I enjoyed it, but I know what I saw.

>>221359849
>The film definitely acts as propaganda for a morally permissible first strike against Iran.
And reminder that the major plot macguffin was to eliminate the "unauthorized uranium enrichment plant"... jeez I wonder what relevant real world country that could be ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ?

>>221359849
>40+ years.
I love when people slap away a perfectly adequate excuse like being young to proudly state they're retarded.

>>221359992
eh... they don't hand out pilpul awards on 4chan.
is the statement: 『Top Gun Maverick was a propaganda movie to justify military action against Iran』correct?
I think it clearly was.
You can be incredulous if you'd like.

>>221359458
Sounds like bullshitting but with money.
Financial Sophistry.

>>221360058
>>221360081
nailed it

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>>221360142
kek thanks for picking up my crude edit.
(I recommend more anon's use this feature)

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>>221360166
>more anon's
>more anons
well fuck me...

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>>221360205
the worst part is how many times I get ESLjacketted when in reality I'm just grammatically retarded (proud product of the US education system).

>>221360237
ya already got clocked as a retard

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>>221360370
thanks.
if it makes you feel better, I considered you a retard as well.

I really don't understand the endgame for these streaming services that don't make money. I can't imagine an actual transition into a model that people will pay more for. At best they could try to outlast each other with the hopes of sweeping in when the other guy (and theaters) actually fucking die, but that seems extremely flawed for a variety of reasons
I guess they could just always be money pits they use to sell other subscription services (ie get this shit with your new phone plan)?

>>221360631
There is no endgame. The goal is survival. hollywood has been obsolete for going on 20 years now.

>>221360693
This accelerates the downfall though. It replaced something that made money with something that's kept on life support

>>221360704
>h-how can they still be alive if they're l-losing money
they aren't losing money. they "invest" in shell companies they own who loan the money back and then forgive the loan.

>>221354075
>apple is losing a billion per year
Good. I didn't think it was possible to be worse than Netflix but they sure showed me

>>221361128
anon Apple losing a billion is like you leaving the penny in the change dispenser at the gas station.

>>221354075
I only have Apple TV for formula 1. I’ve been told greyhound is good but I haven’t gotten around to it. Kinda sad that public domain cop body cam footage is more kino than just about anything they’ve shat out on the last 20 years.

>>221354075
Ban all numbersgays.

>>221354075
wtf. Hail Mary won , gaiz!

>>221362440
how many billions does it have? if i have 100k dorrars in cash, and lose 1 penny, that's like 1/1 000 000 of my fortune.

you telling me, apple movies have 1 million X 1 billion in cash?!!?
1,000,000,000,000,000 (1 quadrillion)!!!!

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>>221362826
they generated over 415 billion in revenue and made a net profit of over 112 billion in 2025

>>221362883
yes but do they have QUAdrillions in cash pennies , anon?

>>221362440
you think youre clever but if you were really smart you would reject their claims. apple partners with peacock and tmobile and themselves to roll appletv into other subscriptions. they arent losing a billion dollars. theyre spending a billion dollars on marketing that returns hundreds of billions.

>>221362939
no just like you dont have 100k cash

>>221354075
>apple (company with literally multiple trillions sitting in bank accounts because they don't want to pay taxes) is losing a billion a year
k

>>221359360
you are delusional
Corps can just run for years going into debt/selling assets, same as a person with a home could

>>221362941
They’re “losing” a billion dollars to not pay taxes.

>>221363174
Very apt comparison. To continue the comparison, after the CEO (your brain) has stripped the company of all value, they get the company (your body) to declare bankruptcy and the shell company they own gets to liquidate anything that’s left to pay off existing loans (your brain’s new cyborg body gets to eat the old one) and then just float on into eternity.

>>221354449
this
>get Blackrock money
>make wokeslop
>get more Blackrock money
>hmm what does this pattern inspire me to do?

Also the thing about DEI hires is you can never fire them, so...

>>221354653
>>221354679
No, the money is printed, the show exists to paint the background of culture, it doesn't matter if people don't watch as long as it occupies the niche of what there is to watch and what is allowed to be depicted.
This strategy is bound to fail in the long run though

>>221354075
> multi trillion dollars company
> can’t make a good movie or tv show to save their lives
How

What's their deal with goy mysteries

>>221364116
Jews have always parasited from humans. They've gotten rid of all the humans and don't have anyone to steal credit from.

>>221363406
you can lay them off though.