>Watch modern movie>"adkghoqrwhgpnckipvodigpigg">turn on subtitles>ah, much better
>>221373986blame marlon brando and robert de niro
>>221373986they're all on benzos so they mumble
You just ruined your ability to understand voices because everything you watch is some tick tok shit with subtitles baked in
>>221373986modern sound mixing sucks. >we need the explosions to be loud but can't increase the volume!>i know, we can make everything else softer so that it RELATIVELY sounds louder>brilliant!no fuck that shit. i don't need sound from 0-100db. give me sound from like 50-100db so i don't have to keep turning it up to hear the quiet parts and then turn it down for the loud parts.whoever came up with this idea of expanding the volume range is fucking retarded>nb4 just compress the audio or use the voice boot optionsi did that already senpai. didn't make any difference
brown thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8tl;dw if you don't wanna give faggots a view:>mics are smaller and more powerful now so actors don't have to speak like in a stage performance, they can just quietly and naturally say their lines>ADR costs money so they just splice audio from alternative takes together instead>audio mixers are retarded faggots who cannot deal with the fact all movies are bombastic and loud
>>221373986Actors mumble and zoomers don't buy sound systems. Its a terrible combination
>>221374159Hahaha I knew someone would post this faggot no Timmy you just need to put the phone down and pay more attention
>>221373986just turn it up bro
>>221373986>turn on movie>movie starts with a car chase that nearly blows out my speakers>immediately turn volume down to a reasonable level>car chase ends and segways to a conversation in a house>can barely hear what anyone is saying>turn volume back up to be able to hear dialogue >conversation ends with a car chase that nearly blows out my speakerswhen did awful audio balancing become the norm in hollywood and why don't more people complain about it?
>speaking scene>turn up volume>action scene>turn down volumeevery timeyou don't have to do this with movies made before 2005, strange
>>221374234wow, that's almost human language
>>221374343>segways to alol
It's because the mixing/mastering engineers create one master (5.1 for example) which will work great for theaters, but they often don't consider how well it will translate or downmix to stereo. I fucking hate when there's insane dynamic range. Capture and process your audio in 24bits, but don't fucking send it to me to where the dialogue is mixed at -40dBFS and then an explosion peaks at full scale.
Doesn’t this have something to do with modern TV speakers as well? I remember reading that once
>>221374489Yeah this is it. Not sure why they mix it this way though for movies and shows made for streaming
>>221374343>>221374472>segwaypeople forgot how this redefined the film industry
Normalizing audio and applying a 125% boost will solve it on most shitty rips.WMP users and streamniggers need not apply
>>221373986go out with a girl who insists on subtitleswtf bitch are you deaf i aint going out with a deaf bitchbrek up with herturns out i see what she was saying and regret
>turn the hearing impaired subtitles on>turn the sound off>watch my kino while I'm listening to musicconsoomaxxing all the way
>>221374596Probably because they don't give a shit. It also doesn't help that loudness isn't that well standardised (even R128 is not perfect) because you can have dialogue mixed in at retarded levels without any EQ/compression, but if your mix hits the target loudness (-23 LUFS or whatever it may be) then you can say that you did your job.
>>221374489>not having your own personal kino station
I have one friend who always insists on having the subtitles on, irritating as shit
>>221374089>have to keep turning it up to hear the quiet parts and then turn it down for the loud parts.>>221374343this shit genuinely puts me off from watching a movie sometimes, I wouldn't be surprised if some TVs come with a built in limiter feature now to compensate similar to the shitty image motion blur they use to make things look 'smoother'
>be in college>get invited to a movie night with some shit that just came out on DVD or whatever>sounds good>several of my friends (20-21ish) and an older girl (25-26ish) who was friendly with some of my female friends>movie starts>older girl immediately starts complaining about how she hates subtitles and can't watch a movie with them>turn subtitles off>she spends the rest of the movie yapping her fucking face off loudly >midway through she leaves and I say to put the subtitles back on>she comes back into the room, notices the subtitltes, and immediately demands they get turned off again>continues to yap
>>221374089>modern sound mixing sucks/threadcrazy how some people are trying to excuse this
>>221374067That shit always makes me laugh. These kids can only read one word at a time.
>>221374343This is why I haven't paid for a movie in over 10 years.
Audio processing disorders are common with autism
subtitles are fucking DISTRACTING and ruin the pacing. they literally ruin the tension of scenes because you can see what someone is going to say before they say it. bitch you speak english learn how to pay attention. sound mixing has not suddenly changed, what has changed is the normalization of subtitles thanks to short videos. THATS IT. it's just because everyone watches too much fucking TikTok and now they are accustomed to always reading the words so it feels like they are missing something when they don't have them. just stop watching with subtitles for a month and your attention to the dialog will come back.
>>221375368Even people who aren't autistic complain about shitty sound in modern TV and movies. You can go back and watch old movies where it is not an issue.
>>221374089Honestly I'm not convinced the DEI hires they have working on films even understand how sound actually works.Your average Youtuber doesn't, just look at old shit where a lot of that wasn't automated. That faggot Nostalgia Critic literary yelled into his laptop mic for over a decade in a room with sound bouncing off the walls every which way. Even when he was making bigger productions he didn't use boom mics or any kind of actual sound production. Some fag who was part of one such production said he tried to talk to him and his brother about it and just got blank stares back. The logic with these retards is:>I can hear it fine, so there MUST be something wrong with your set up or you're imagining thingshttps://youtu.be/fAvSjTiZYkI?t=30They have no idea how sound works or how the human brain perceives sound. That the only reason they can 'hear' it is because they read the script, were there when it was recorded, so they already know what was said. That makes them 'think' they can hear it better than they actually can. Like if you hear parts of a song quietly under background noise, you can eventually identify and 'hear' and it IF you know the song already.It seems to be why Hack Nolan blows out your eardrums with the music over the dialogue. The same reason your average n00b Youtuber does it, unless they have some kind of program auto- ducking or helping them not fuck it up as bad.The level of audio illiteracy among those who are engaged in video and podcast production for a living is downright fucking astounding.Trying to tell these ignoramuses anything is like trying to explain to those idiots that are causing audio feedback on a group call by not wearing a headset that they are the cause of the problem while they sit there an insist it can't be on their end because THEY can't hear any feedback. Only brute force digital processing in the current era to eliminate feedback automatically has saved us from those clueless fucking arseholes.
>>221373986The Dark Knight is one of the worst offenders of this. Some of the dialogues in that movie is literally unhearable. Watch this and tell me you can understand a single thing Gordon is saying without turning on the stable volume button.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StDCqrxrdHY
>>221375775This. You gotta love how the music arcs up to really help with that.The actors aren't so much the problem though. Oldman is speaking less clearly than Eckhart, so you naturally tend to blame the actor, but soundfags can capture and mix pretty much anything given the chance. I doubt Nolan of all people understands this though, being the same faggot who signs off on his brain-thumping retardo music over the top of said dialogue.I bet faggots like him actually wonder what all the guys in the audio department actually do. Probably tells the guy with the boom mic to stand back out of his shot and expects them to catch everything on some crap omnidirectional and fix everything in post as if you can do that with everything like some kind of voodoo magic.Jokes on him when he's replaced by AI that just does LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYTHING "in post" making faggots like him completely unnecessary.Seriously worked with cocksuckers who don't get shit before. Think because you can use fucking Photoshop they can give you a crap picture taken in the dark and expect you to turn it into a glamour shot. What the fuck do these idiots think all the equipment and shit on their movie set is actually for exactly?
>>221374089>>221375653>>221375960very obvious reddit spacing
>[turns off ozark in disgust]
>>221374034none of them have trained at drama school or even taken acting classes. hollywood hires dumb pretty people and dumb woke people. neither are good at acting. see: ashton kutcher
>>221375985Obvious brownoid.
We don't do vocalization in schools any more because it offends the people who babble in ebonics. I'm gonna guess it's the same for acting schools. There must be some actors that will protest when the director tells them to speak clear because that's how they bad pronounce English.
>turn on subtitles>"[Speaks in foreign language]"Ahh, I understand clearly now, thanks.
>>221373986why's that people irl and random shit quality yt videos are so much more intelligible than movies?
>>221374909That's fair, but a well made mix will always collapse down without falling apart. It's just like how a well made stereo mix of a dance track will downmix to mono without the kick/bass getting lost due to phase cancellation. Yeah, no shit the super wide synths and other elements will get a bit lost in mono, but the core of the track should always be present in the mid, even if you're in stereo. If you try to downmix the dark knight to stereo and you can't hear the dialogue, it's a shit mix.
>>221375775do filmmakers think that normal people speak like autists with motor disfunctions?
Sound is just as important as lighting. We've all seen poorly produced films that were simply too dark. If you can't see the damn movie without straining your senses, it's just as bad as straining to hear it. Watching a movie should be easy in this regard. A comfortable experience.Also it should naturally go far enough to account for some blue collar fag who works in a metal shop all day whose hearing is no longer perfect. You of course can't account for every profoundly deaf faggot, but if the average age of your target audience is not 12, then saying 'you'd be able to hear it if your hearing was perfect' isn't the audience's fucking problem.>The ONLY solution to communicating with someone with imperfect hearing isn't for them to listen harder, it's for YOU to speak louder and more clearly.FACT!Hollywood used to understand that part of fictional entertainment was a larger-than-life readability for the audience. It's why stage actors wear eye makeup, exaggerate facial expressions, body language, and intentionally project their voice to the back row of the theatre. Film allows for more subtle acting but only because you can compensate with directional mics and close ups. If you fail to do that it's just as annoying and worthless as an actor mumbling on stage.
>>221376039I fucking guarantee you part of the problem is the people who know better can't tell these n00bs anything without getting an attitude or being called a sexist, racist, homophobe or whatever the fuck. If they don't see the problem it doesn't exist and you must just be trying to oppress them.Just imagine being an old skool 'pale stale male' Disney animator trying to tell the stronk whammen diversity hires what they were obviously doing wrong. Pretty easy to guess how that shit would go down.
>>221374343every reddit-type thought he was really insightful for memeing on the loudness war for the last 25 years, so now we enjoy excessive dynamic range in media that never needed it, and now speech is inaudible and every scene transition is a potential jumpscare
>>221373986if woulf be extooomely ainfool
>>221375653>Honestly I'm not convinced the DEI hires they have working on films even understand how sound actually works.They don't, I guarantee it. And this problem infected music a long time ago too.
>>221376356You're a muffled guy
>>221374089Just add a compressor filter yourself. Not precompressing gives us more options.
>>221375254Had some girl in intro to cinema class spoil split, I mean she went through the whole movie in one minute. She had said in the introductions on the first day that she wasnt into movies and that is why she was taking the class. I had already seen but the teacher and another classmate were stunned speechless at her oblivious nature.
>>221375369Wrong! I watched movies with subtitles because I wanted to understand fully every bit of dialogue since the year 2000. Way before tiktok. Dvds and modern tvs allowed that. Tik tok has got nothing to do with that.
>>221375369I have a hearing impediment :(
>>221375369Post the WEBM, you coward.
>>221376039Plenty of white people having difficulty speaking clearly. Enunciation and proper speaking is not being taught in school. Popcorn reading prevalent in schools is supposed to solve two problems and instead it fails at both of them, reading and oration.
>>221376063Sheer incompetence on the part of the studio. Unless its part of the storyline, it should be translated.
>>221378004Yum, didnt know Smallville was down with the cheesecake. Hope kreuk did some.
Contreversial take, Porn should have subtitles.
>my parents used to enjoy the 90 minute crime film of the week>not anymore -- "you can't understand what anybody says"Check it out and it's a combination of very poor soundmixing (loud action scenes, quiet whisper scenes), the actors mumbling, and the actors no longer speaking properly but featuring thick, incomprehensible dialect.I don't get it. The purpose of the TV crime film of the week is not to be young, dynamic and "authentic", it's to be watched on TV by a mainly older audience. Also it's financed by mandatory TV fees (a kind of tax), and many people have criticized mumbling, but nothing seems to be done about it.
>>221373986>*mumblemumblemumble*>notimetodie>*mumblemumblemumble*
I remember a close captioning of conan with the operator dunking on conan by typing the crowd was underwhelmed as usual. Couldn't believe it and had no one that u destroy how crazy it was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7rwY9cqabc
>>221378117It was always incomprehensible, you just put up with it. As a kid who never used subtitles you just had to put up with not understanding what was said. Now you can clearly understand it. Real life needs subtitles.
>>221378157No, it was not. I know because from time to time they show old memorable episodes from the 80s and 90s, and you could understand everthing in those. Directors still knew how to make films back then. It seems to be a lost art these days.
>hollywood lost the technology for soundmixing>hollywood lost the technology for high dynamic lighting>hollywood lost the technology for immersive cgii'm tired of having to assume that everything is going to be shit
>>221373986is this Malick?
>>221378294Why contract sound mixing into soundmixing but not dynamic lighting into dynamiclighting?
I think I have auditory processing issues"What/can you repeat that" are my most common sentences
>>221378353Same reason you let everyone know you're autistic. wasn't thinking about it that hard
>>221378437You do this almost every post, you take the space out of a random word. Finnish? German? You need to work on that, makes your posts unique and stand out easily.I bet you can't help it lol.
>>221378459>I bet you can't help itI guess that makes two of us
>>221378231They had simpler dialogue and nothing to complex that could be misheard, thats why. Movies have difficult dialogue now so it is easier to misunderstand.
>>221375369>blaming tiktok for subtitlesIs this the new approach of the illiterate who find reading distracting? What the fuck am I reading.
>>221378481Do you mean two ofus?
>>221378493Its some older guy who is functional illiterate and wants a reason to separate himself from the youth.
Night Mode
>>221373986>action scene>explode my speakers and get my neighbors to knock>talking scene>can't hear shit and have to up the volume>next action scene comes up>rinse and repeat
>>221378004Ned's Declassified is different than I remember.
ESLs can't comprehend dialects and accents easily
>>221374310>turn it up>explosion>ears burstWhat is the next step in your master plan?
>>221378616Depends on the accent.
>watch recent movies>volume is up and down all over the place like people here are saying>play video game>volume for music, sfx and dialogue are all perfectly balancedI blame the fact that movies/tv no longer to ADR
>>221374310>mumblemumblemumble>*turns up sound*>BWWWAAAAAAHHHHHMMMMMJesus christ, make up your mind
Good summary here
>>221378844Nolan's case is even worse since he loves Imax cameras. Those beasts are loud af.
>>221378024Most kids from all ethnicities have issues with pronunciation, that's normal. School and your parents help you with that. For most people, it just goes away and it's never some minor issue with a few words or contractions. I remember that, since I was a kid, my parents always corrected my words and pronunciation.Blacks, OTOH, not only have absent parents or parents who speak poorly, they have created their own language that's basically a poor spoken English. So, you can't correct thelr bad grammar, spelling, or enunciation. And you now can't correct anyone else.
>>221378844Wasn't Bane adr'd?
>watch movie from MGM>the fucking lion roar is louder than the movie itself
>>221379284Please! Plenty of whites cant speak in an intelligible manner. You ate being disingenuous. The bottom half of americans will speak with whatever dialect is nearby. It takes individual effort with expert guidance to practice elocution. Its one of the invisible gatekeepers that the moneyed class uses to distinguish themselves. Same as dental care and foreign languages.
>>221375985>very obvious reddit spacingreddit spacing is a trick to out newfags. anyone whos been on 4chan long enough knows people have been posting like since before reddit was even popular, when everyone was still using digg.just google old 4chan screenshots from liek 2004 and look at all the 'reddit spacing' such a newfag thing to say lol. you're not cool cause you think reddit is gay. you're not cool cause you post on 4chan. you just gay
>>221373986lots of them sound mix under the impression people will have properly set up sound systems, which you should if you watch a lot of movies/tv. Or get a decent pair of headphones, cheaper and better sound quality and you don't have to worry about annoying your family/roommates/soor you're Christoper Nolan and don't give a shit and feel like not being able to hear people talk is more releastic and the vibes you get from incredibly loud music is more important.
>>221379934>reddit spacing is a trick to out newfags.correct
>>221374343>>221375183>>221375325>>221376307Not my problem.
>>221380009>reddit spacing in the image
>>221379848lmao. lingusts have been coping and seething over blacks being unable to speak for so long that they've literally made up whole new fields of study to explain it away. it's NOT that they can't speak, it's that they speak their own unique special language! conspicuously a problem only for the blacks thoughbeit
the constant mumbling is a zoomer thing
>>221380048It's called paragraphs, anon. Open a book one day, it won't hurt you.
>>221375369>tiktokKill yourself retarded fuck. Its been an issue long before that platform ever existed.
>>221373986You need your hearing tested.
>>221375985
>>221380148How come I don't have a single problem understanding normal tv and radio shows?
>>221380148I am blind not deaf.
I blame Adult Swim cartoons
>>221379980>lots of them sound mix under the impression people will have properly set up sound systems, which you should if you watch a lot of movies/tv. Or get a decent pair of headphones, cheaper and better sound quality and you don't have to worry about annoying your family/roommates/soor maybe dvd/bluray discs need to bring back the multiple sound system options like they used to have
