It's never been more over.>According to industry insider Grace Randolph (@BeyondTheTrailer) and her sources, “things at Warner Bros. are starting to look like the Harris-Walz campaign on election night” as the Friday and Saturday numbers for Supergirl are coming in.>“I’m not even exaggerating when I saw they’re going state by state, doing crosstabs on previous DCEU and DCU releases, and staying up until 3:00 AM waiting for East Coast numbers to come in, just looking for any narrow path to victory left. No one has heard from [James Gunn]. I think he’s afraid to talk to them and they’re afraid to talk to him. Like if you just don’t answer the phone, the stage IV pancreatic cancer diagnosis can’t hurt you.”>Man of Tomorrow tentatively releases next year.
Imagine how fat & doughy her ass is after sitting in movie theaters all week drinking soda & eating candy
Nothing will happen until Man of Tomorrow. If that movie flops, they're just gonna shelve the IP. They are not gonna bring Snyder or anyone else. WB might even just sell it.
>>221402532Imagine her braps after eating popcorn with milk duds in the bucket...
>>221402399Is she ever actually right about anything? Or can we all just call ourselves insiders and keep saying bullshit?
>>221402532She has IBS so it would smell like a full diaper left out in the sun, anon.
>>221402538They would never sell it, not just because of Batman, but it would be super embarrassing if another studio was suddenly able to get a DC Universe to work on film.
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Who bitch this is
>>221402399Source
>>221402538They can't justify continuing to hand big budget movies to James Gunn the flop machine.
>>221402568she was right with WW84 rumors about how Steve was going to be brought back by possessing a guy's body and even a very specific detail that was about WW using the lasso as a swing in the mall action scene. This was like 2 years before the movie came out and nobody else had leaked it.
>>221402399HotD S3 any good? Dropped it in the middle of S2 because it became too retarded
>>221402399Reminder that Grace has a particular dislike for James Gunn for whatever reason so she'd hate anything he does whether it was good or bad or not. I also don't believe she has any real sources.That said, the story sounds true because of course the money people are freaking out about the money. Even as a fake story she just made up, it's accurate, because that's just how things are. It's a massive flop, James Gunn's DCU is DOA, and obviously there's going to be some meetings as they try to figure out what the actual fuck they're going to do now. They can't realistically fire him. So they'll wait and just not renew his contract when it comes up next year (shortly before Man of Tomorrow releases, IIRC). There's really no point at all in talking to him. Nothing he says is worth the time it takes to listen to. He's known as a pathological liar, and he clearly has checked out since the Ellisons took over and probably wants to be fired anyway. They'll maybe try to put somebody else in charge over him, unofficially, and micromanage him while he's just a figurehead until then, if I had to guess, but then they'll reboot, yet again. Gunn will serve out the rest of his contract, doing the absolute bare minimum he's contractually required to do, and then they will part ways. Who will they bring in to run it? Fuck if I know. Probably not Snyder. I don't think the company is capable of putting the correct people in charge, even under new management.>>221403605Pretty underwhelming so far. The problems they created for themselves in prior seasons are really coming home to roost. It'll only get worse. The only likeable characters are either being completely ruined or just sidelined and not on screen barely at all.
>>221402538> Nothing will happen until Man of Tomorrow. If that movie flops, they're just gonna shelve the IPThe expectations of Man of Tomorrow are a billion or nothing. Sequels have to do better then the original to justify green lighting a sequel. If Man of Tomorrow can't pull in billion it is a flop and Supergirl flopping will contribute to it flopping. Gunn lost 100 million dollars because of Supergirl. If you think that won have severe consequences for Gunn you are delusional.
>>221402538Shelve it, maybe. Sell it, never. Maybe license it. Do some more cartoons.Honestly, Batman should just be a TV show. Live action or otherwise. Do an old school Batman, period piece, really lean into the detective thing. They could try another Superman TV show. Historically those did quite well. They really just need to keep these IPs on life support, build a little bit of good will somehow, and maybe come back to movies in the future, someday.
Here's what I don't get: why did Snyder and Gunn both start with Superman movies, and not a Batman movie?
>>221403662It's not a Gunn thing per se. People are just tired of capeshit in general. The genre had a 20 year run. It was a moneymaker because studios can greenscreen everything + built in audience but that have run its course. Looks like pseudo-indie horror movies are coming back in vogue. We'll see how that goes.
>>221403723Gunn was already considering a Superman movie before the job, but the fact that The Batman 2 was SUPPOSED to be coming out earlier probably took it completely off the table for him.
>>221402399She literally never said that in the live stream or on Twitter. OP is a click bait lying piece of shit
>>221403754Horror never really went away, and it's always made money. I think capeshit can still do well, it just actually has to be good. And for a while now nobody's been willing to make it good. In fact they've actively been trying to make it bad. I think the next Spider-man will probably be good and then make a ton of money. It's not really that hard but the people in charge have to actually want to do it, and be reasonably competent. The people in charge now are both not competent and don't want to do it well, mostly because they don't know what the audiences actually want.
>>221403723In Snyder's case, WB wanted to make a Superman movie for a while and after the success of the Nolan trilogy, they wanted to try on Superman once more despite the Returns fiasco. They tried to launch a multiverse with Green Lantern working as their Iron Man but it bombed. In Gunn case, it was a direct answer to the Snyderverse, like everything he does.
>>221402399>“things at Warner Bros. are starting to look like the Harris-Walz campaign on election night”
>>221403754>It's not a Gunn thing per se. People are just tired of capeshit in general.C'mon. Watch Spider-Man make tons of money.
Really, if WB were smart they'd give up on this dumb universe idea, and just do isolated films. Look at Joker. Do shit like that. Small, character study films, on each of the big names in DC. Make them emotionally impactful. Don't connect them to each other. It'll actually come across as novel, fresh. Explicitly reject the need to push everything into some galactic-stakes multiverse bullshit every time. Make good, isolated films. Do it like James Bond, where whoever is playing Superman or Batman can change periodically, the time period keeps changing, but you know you're going to have a fun time with a character you know and love. If an actor does well in the role, keep them on for a few movies until they're too old and then ditch them for somebody young and new. Or if they start asking for too much money to come back. Don't require the audience to have seen 30 other prior films in order to get into the new one that just came out, so you have lots of impulse ticket buys and people coming in whenever. Grow the audience that way. If the audience for a particular hero gets big enough you can do bigger budget films with them. If a particular hero has a more niche audience, keep their movies small. There's no need for them to all try and be at the same level. If at some point in the future, if you happen to have several popular versions of the characters in their respective movie franchises, you could drop in a cameo here and there for an added thrill. Maybe even the occasional crossover movie team-up. But you can do that without needing to canonize both of their respective histories into some larger meta-narrative. Each film, even team-ups, would be isolated, their own reset worlds like Bond every time. Only the slightest hint of a through-line if you feel like it in the moment of any particular film, forgotten again in the next one.
>>221402399Why in the hell did Gunn think he could make a GOTG rip off with another no name villain work in 2026? I mean at least make the villain someone somebody fucking knows.
>>221402399sorry fag, I don't listen to women
>>221403997>if WB were smartif a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass when it hopped
>>221403889When Westerns were dying, some rare Westerns films were still making money. If they saturate capeslop with Spooderman, audience will get tired of it too.
>>221404059>bump its ass when it hoppedI never thought of it but that's kinda funny. Frogs are based.
>>221402399>two years between seasonsI'm still watching HotD, but it's pretty hard to stay immersed with a two year gap each season.Even GoT lost a lot of its hype when they took two years off. People still watched it, but they weren't nearly as hyped about it. Before the gap, everyone was rewatching previous seasons before it would air, planning watch parties, and talking about it with everyone they knew. Last couple of seasons everyone seemed over it.>>221403605It's okay. Last season was alright in some parts, but terrible with pacing. Felt like they were just checking off plot points and not building up to anything. First episode this season was the same way.
>>221404574> Last couple of seasons everyone seemed over it.Because the writing became awful. Not because there was a larger gap between seasons
>>221404673The last four seasons were bad. The long gap between seasons just gave people more time to realize that.
>>221404343>If they saturate capeslop with Spooderman, audience will get tired of it too.Nah.
>>221404911>dubsOkay. I recant my statement.
>>221403714TV shows are no longer as profitable as they once were.Most of the writers WB brought in were just bad.And they keep trying to force some kind of cinematic universe that always makes everything feel rushed.
>>221403889Spider-Man is playing with house money, notice nobody will really make a prediction about doomsday. The fatigue is there
>>221402811That's my bitch, punk. Get away.
>>221402399These people think exactly like the Brits. Keep doing the same thing over and over again and can't figure out why everything keeps getting worse. Even as a money laundering operation, Hollywood is absolute shit
>>221403839also because they wanted to quickly do a superman movie when the heirs to siegel and shuster were having a lawsuit against them and snyder was recommended by nolan IIRC.>>221403684he has to overhaul the script to get international audiences interested. superman did extremely well in america but couldn't break through to the rest of the world.
>>221404994Doomsday has to make a billion to even be profitable, of course people & industry insiders are going to fence sit with so much riding on that.
>>221404994Doomsday is when the MCU finally collapses upon itself. There's zero chance of it being either good or profitable (especially after the fuckton of marketing they'll spend on it trying to hype it up, but I'm sure the articles will ignore that). And they'd be completely fine with losing money on it, if it gives them something to launch off of with new movies that are profitable. But it certainly cannot do that.>>221405065Historically, Superman does quite well internationally. It's more a problem with that movie than the character. But they don't know how to write for that character, because they don't believe in anything that Superman believes in or represents.
>>221402399I doubt she has sources
>>221402538If Man of Tomorrow flops and Clayface doesn’t, WB will just focus on smaller budget standalone DC films
Make the call.
>>221405321>But they don't know how to write for that character, because they don't believe in anything that Superman believes in or representsHow should Superman have been written in the movie instead?
>>221405321Do you think Superman believes in white nationalism or something? He's a basic bitch white knight good goy
>>221403860>>221405762>>221402399>things at Warner Bros. are starting to look like the Harris-Walz campaign on election night” as the Friday and Saturday numbers for Supergirl are coming in.Hahaha. Meanwhile Snyder is at Paramount waiting.
>>221402399They should release the directors cut of Suicide Squad for a nice easy cash injection I also wouldn't mind a directors cut of Aquaman 2
>>221405800>We need a Coconut Nigga who will make a box office bomb that performs poorly enough that it makes Supergirl look fine>He's already selling shitty energy drinks while taking selfies on the set
>>221405800Rock is vindicated. Hierarchy will change after all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1ASsDbhjPc
>>221403723Because Kevin Tsujihara greenlit the Matt Reeves Batman movie (also the Joker movie).And because of this James Gunn couldn’t start with a Batman movie when there was already a separate Batman movie being made. And James Gunn and WB didn’t want to confuse audiences by having two separate universes of Batman going on at the same time.>Then why not have The Batman be apart of the DCUBecause Matt Reeves doesn’t want his Batman movies to be apart of the Gunn universe. Reeves wants his Batman movies to be a separate standalone universe (to try and rival the Nolan trilogy). Reeves has a contract and he ain’t letting go of his Batman movies.Which is why James Gunn suggested making Brave and the Bold, a DCU Batman movie (staring an older Batman and Damian Wayne as Robin). But they have to wait on that because Reeves is taking forever to make The Batman 2 and is taking forever to release and Gunn wants to release BatB after The Batman 2.
Maybe the problem is that people are tired of superhero movies in general? What is the last superhero movie that had success? If Avengers: Doomsday also fails that could be the confirmation that the trend of superhero movies is over.
>>221405951>Reeves is taking forever to make The Batman 2 and is taking forever to releaseEither he knows DCU is dead in the water or Gunn said something to him that pissed him off.
>>221405971>Maybe the problem is that people are tired of superhero movies in general?That's not it. But for the MCU itself Endgame was a "series finale". An ending if you will for that universe. For DC there is a constant feeling of being burned and it never stops. Pic related sums it up.
>>221406025>for the MCU itself Endgame was a "series finale". An ending if you will for that universe.Then why are they making Doomsday?
>>221406079>Then why are they making Doomsday?Nostalgia cash grab. They should be concentrating on Spider-Man.
>>221406098Disney doesn't get money from Spider-man
>>221406120>Disney doesn't get money from Spider-manI know. They wrote themselves into a corner didn't they?
The age where mediocre ass movies like Cap Marvel and Ant Man could make millions is just over.Go big or go home.
>>221406153They have nothing left but mediocre heroes. They haven't taken the time with lower-budget smaller films to build anyone up to take the Avengers' places. They thought that they could just tell the audience some new randos get ti just inherit it all, and the audience would show up again forever. Sheer fucking hubris.
>>221406188That's a non-issue, Guardians of the Galaxy used to be literal whos and their movies still made bank.The issue is that the movies are mid.
>>221406284>Guardians of the Galaxy used to be literal whosYes. But took place in the MCU. Part of the same story. Now after Endgame nothing matters.
>>221405917>he's already filling up piss bottles on set
>>221406284The movies have to be good, first, yes, but if all the rest of the MCU was crap, with characters nobody cared about, you really think Guardians would have been possibly successful? People are willing to indulge in these literal whos when the core franchise is strong. It's the same reason why Supergirl is bombing as hard as it is. She's a nobody, people don't care about her. If Superman was good and there was a Batman and Wonder Woman that were all strong, multi-billion dollar movies, then Supergirl might be viable.
>>221402568She's a loopy leftard with legitimate industry connections, meaning she's wrong a lot and also more accurate than all the youtube grifters who don't know anything
>>221406403All the people you call youtube grifters have more industry connections than she does.
>>221405971Deadpool & Wolverine was extremely successful and Brand New Day will be too, but 'member berries and sequels are always making withdrawals from a war chest of attention which is running out fast and they haven't made any big deposits since before the pandemic. The entire genre is in huge trouble after Brand New Day, Doomsday, and The Batman 2 come out. Can you imagine waiting until 2033 for The Batman 3 at this pace? Everyone is just spent at this point.
>>221406153Captain Marvel was marketed as being required for endgame. If it had come out after it would have been a failure.
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>>221403889Audiences will always make an exception. Spider-Man and Batman are exceptions. Doesn't mean people aren't tired of superhero movies.
>>221403754In the 2010s, every single Marvel-DC movie except one made at least $400M worldwide. That era is completely over. Now a superhero movie could make a weak $3-400M worldwide, or make over $1B, or bomb hard. They still make a ton of money but they aren't guaranteed hits anymore
>>221406538They're tired of bad superhero movies. They're tired of multiverse shit. They're tired of race-swapping and girlbosses. If they just made nothing but good superhero movies, they'd all be just as successful as they were before.
>>221402399Can't make me care about a woman's opinion.
the lack of likeable charismatic heroes and thrilling villains is extremely apparent as well. most of these villains are extremely forgettable. the best superhero movies had good villains: loki in the avengers, joker in dark knight, bane dark knight rises, goblin and doc oct in the 2000s spiderman films. the only outlier i think is the first iron man which was carried by rdj who was extremely likeable and made a corny character like iron man cool.
If Doomsday really does begin with TobeySpidey and Wolverine fighting to the death and being killed via multiverse explosion, what will the ramifications be in terms of walkouts and refunds?
>>221403997this. cinematic universes just aren't the magic money printer they once were, even Disney is struggling with this new reality and DC never had a firm grasp on the execution anyways.
>>221406697Was there even a single successful cinematic universe other than MCU? Monsterverse basically failed. DCU failed repeatedly. There was a couple others I don't remember exactly what they were called. The MCU was basically a freak occurrence but they keep chasing it and it never works out and now even the one that worked fell apart after three phases.
>>221406746umm.. maybe those king kong/godzilla movies? those possession movies like annabelle etc were techincally a cinematic universe lol.
>>221406413Unfortunately they're consistently wrong, like whenever they hailed executives like Zaslav or Chapek as anti-woke saviors. Grace is also dumb and wrong and vindictive and driven by politics, but she's aligned with what the industry's thinking
>>221402538Man of Tomorrow will perform worse than the first one, the question is by how much. They're not shelving or selling the IP either when David Ellison hasn't even tried his hand at it.
>>221406592This, it's really not that hard.
The only superheros that the general audience know are Superman. Batman and Spider-Man. After those 3 we have Hulk, Iron Man, Wonder Woman and Thor. You could make a movie about those because after many movies that were successful they are also known. But you can't just make a movie about Supergirl when almost nobody knows or care about her. She has ahd only some tv shows and not very popular.I would keep making Superman movies and then introducing other characters in his movies like Supergirl and others and once people know them very well and care about them, then start making movies about them.
>>221406970Sidekicks like Robin probably have more fans than Supergirl.
>industry insiderExplain, I thought this was just another youtuber. Is this a doomcock redux?
And I agree with the anon that said that people only cared about Guardians of the Galaxy because they were part of the MCU. And also because the movies were good in my opinion, but first it was because they were part of the MCU.
>>221403723He was 1000% right to start with Superman, but then he immediately followed up with Supergirl who is such a tertiary character whose very existence deflates the Superman film.
>>221407078>whose very existence deflates the Superman filmThe random superhero team shoehorned into Superman already deflated Superman in his own, debut film of a new cinematic universe.
>>221407105Not really. They provided a juxtaposition of tech/earth based superheroes to Superman's extraterrestrial origin, which was the point of the film. It added more layers to the primary theme. That's why the existence of Supergirl is actually bad, it undermines the themes of the first movie
>>221407177>They provided a juxtaposition of tech/earth based superheroes to Superman's extraterrestrial originGreen Lanterns literally get their powers from a higher dimensional spectrum, and are governed by a race of blue aliens.
>>221406356But we go back to the original point tho, The Avengers were - bunch of literal whos too. Back then the real heavyweights were Spiderman, F4 and the X-Men; people barely knew Iron Man, Captain America or Thor.Obviously a character being already popular gives the movie a boost, but the flick has to stand on its own.
I just want more comic like Batman movies where we actually get to see Batman family characters. Batman is by far DC's most bankable franchise but they have refused to do this. All because Batman and Robin bombed 30 years ago and Nolan hated Robin.
DC has tried 3 times now to make some shared cinematic universe since 2011. Each time they have refused to make a solo Batman movie to help start it wanting to keep solo Batman movies as their own thing. If a shared universe is their main ultimate goal then this is just poor planning.
>>221407581The masses thinks the Batfamily's lame, aside from the typical quirkchungus loving minority,
>>221407683It's amazing how much damage one movie with Batman and Robin did.
>>221407642They should have just left the connection between The Batman and Gunn's Superman loose, something like Raimi's Spider-Man, Ang Lee's Hulk, and Fox's X-Men, where everybody assumed they were in the same universe, but nothing was outright concrete. Allows people who want a connected universe to be happy with the possibility, and those who want standalones to just ignore it.
>>221407177They provided roles for Gunn to cast his friends in again even if they’re old as fuck like Nathan Fillion is for a Chad like Guy
>>221407734Reeves have firmly said he doesn't want his Batman movies part of a shared universe. I think it is in contract that he can do his own thing.
>>221403684Sequels almost never outgrown the first installment. And when it does, it's notable like The Dark Knight. But Empire made less than Star Wars by a country mile.
Star Wars >deadDC>deadMarvel>100 something days till doomsday2026 might be the death of IP slop mining
>>221405321>they don't believe in anything that Superman believes in or represents.This right here. When people say Superman is boring and you can't write a good story with him, they're actually stating how obviously they don't believe in his message.
Why the FUCK isn't Grace naked?
>>221402399>industry insider Grace RandolphKek. Isn't she that one grifter associated with the likes of other "industry insiders" like Geeks and Gamers?
I actually watched the movie unlike /tv/ and it was a stinky pile of shit outside of Lobo. Gunn's style requires the correct actors/actresses to bounce quips back and forth or it just doesn't work.
>>221408446I think they misspelled "Indians Inside her"
>>221408098Can't they make movies about Iron Man, Captain America, Wonder Woman, Hulk and Thor? I think they are pretty known by now and have had successful movies.Apart from the classic ones (Superman, Batman and Spider-Man).
>>221405800>>221405919Based
>>221402399>Grace Randolph>industry insider
report eceleb threads as off topic
>>221410281It's about Supergirl and James Gunn's DCU failing.
James Gunn is a pedophile
>>221402399I reserved my seats yesterday online and it looked like 90% of the theater was filled up. But when the movie started, it was just me, my three friends and a couple sitting just below so everyone else must have canceled/ghosted
>>221410345>But when the movie started, it was just me, my three friends and a couple sitting just below so everyone else must have canceled/ghosted
>>221402399>Let’s take a show with dozens of ongoing storylines and character dynamics>And go on hiatus long enough so our audience forgets everything!When are streamers going to learn multi year breaks are terrible for viewer retention? Even GoT was able to put out 10 episodes every year for most of its run. And that show had way more sets and characters to worry about.
>>221406497>If you dont pay to consoom our sloptrash you hate womenwowso hot takemuch original
Superman (2025)>its a comedy about the Justice Society. Superman is in it but he doesn't do much except a slapstick comedy routine.Supergirl (2026)>its a comedy. Its based on a comic run that was mildy lauded but we rewrote it completely and uh...Clayface (2026)>its a comedy about a Batman villain, and Batman is not even in it.
>>221410483Surely they won't actually be stupid enough to make clayface a comedy
>>221410510They're already marketing the movie saying how funny it is.
