Another anon asked, essentially, why Hollywood hasn't been able to get Superman right since 1978. My response was>Because Superman is supposed to represent the US (Truth, Justice, and the American way) and the US wasn't totally ashamed of itself back in the 70s. Superman could just genuinely be a completely uncompromised and confident good guy.Now people refuse to accept that absolute good can be genuine, so Superman needs to feel conflicted, or unsure of himself. He isn't allowed to intrinsically know what "the right thing" is, because an entity (Superman/the U.S./Government) is not supposed to have that much power and wield it with confidence because that's "unbelievable.">People have been so conditioned into cynicism that black and white, good vs bad morality seems at best unrealistic, and at worst unacceptable. So they either dismiss Superman as being "Gay" or "lame" or look for reasons to tear him down or turn him into a joke or evil (hence why characters like Homelander and Omniman both exists and are so wildly popular). But Superman isn't supposed to be realistic, he is supposed to be greater than us, and ideal to strive toward. You're meant to look at Superman and want to be a better person and even if you genuinely can't it's okay so long as you try, but that takes effort and people would rather tear Superman down than put any work in.I genuinely believe that we won't get another good Superman movie, until people are happy again, and until the U.S. doesn't hate its own government.
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>>221405174But Man of Steel was good
>>221405174It's because comics are gay and nobody cares about them. Superheroes are done.
>>2214051741978 was not long after the Vietnam war. There was a lot of cynicism then.
The problem is (((they))) can't stop subverting. Superman is supposed to be a jewish coded all american superhero. He is a modern day midwestern Sampson that likes baseball, apple-pie and farming with a tiny secret he hides about his origin. Those kind of jews have been replaced by immigration and conversion, all we have now is soviet commie jews who exist to subvert and no one can really write superman anymore. .
>>221405174Superman is jewish, immigrant worshipping slop fundamentally. It's weird they haven't been able to find a formula for it desu
>>2214051741978 Superman was itself kind of a response to the cynicism and malaise of the era. When he tells Lois his classic slogan she laughs in his face, but he proves it through his deeds. The reason it worked so well is because it was written by people who fundamentally understood the essence of Superman and directed by a guy who was committed to presenting the material with absolute sincerity and love. The movie is the textbook definition of sticking the fucking landing.
>>221405305True, the thing was that Vietnam was considered an aberration, that it wasn't the way things were supposed to go, everything from having to draft soldiers, to how the soldiers conducted themselves, to the enemy they were fighting, even to actually losing the war. World War 2 was still very much the mental image of how war was in the public consciousness, there were clear enemies, you signed up like a patriot, you fought bravely, and either you came back and got on with building a life or you died heroically in the name of good, and being disfigured wasn't common, even though basically none of that was true it was a stark difference to the perception of the unfocused, horrific, and unwon war of Vietnam.
>>221405174superman can only exist in a majority white america, that doesn't exist anymoredon't you notice the quality of everything around you going down, things getting more expensive because there's less and less white people, high trust societies only exist when they are comprised of mostly the same race of people, nowadays that doesn't exist so there's price gouging, policies like open borders, mass replacement migration and multi-multicultural problems like screwing people over the hardest you can because it's part of the foreign culture they come from plus as other anon's have pointed out it's a stylistic jewish character from a certain period of time that has long since passed and the character is boring as can be to boot
>>221405272Oh my god shut the hell up or take it to a Gunnslop thread no one cares about your garbage deconstructionist garbage that got this problem started via a talentless joyless hacks attempt at aping Nolan
>>221405324The producers of Superman 78 were the jewiest jews who ever jewed when it came to the stinginess and personality conflicts, but they still didn't interfere with Donner creatively. Those kinds of movie moguls don't exist anymore.
>>221405309This is a good take.
he was literally conflicted and attempted to give up his powers for a slice of pussy. what film did you watch
Pseudo intellectuals are just retards. New Superman isn't bad because>muh culture, it actually represents america and hurr durrSuperman is bad because James Gunn and Zach Snyder made Superman movies.A good director with a good cast and good crew would make a good movie.A good director isn't going to make a bad movie today because ''people are cynical so now I must make a bad movie LOL!!!!''You are retarded. You try so hard to sound smart but fail completely.
People went to see Superman 78 because they wanted to see a dude convincingly fly on-screen. That's it. That was the hook. None of this pretentious "people aren't happy anymore" nonsense. They bought a ticket to see the brand new special effects.
>>221406529James Gunn and Zach Snyder are good directors though. Goyer is a good writer, and for what they were aiming for Their Superman movies hit the mark, Man of Steel was exactly the movie that everyone from the Studio, to the director, to the writer wanted to make. It's not a bad film from a technical standpoint, it's just a bad Superman movie from a classic standpoint, the reason Man of Steel got made that way was because the general populace had been harping on about how lame Superman is as a character for years, and so the people in charge thought that they could have a smash hit by revamping Superman, making him dark and brooding, and they brought in the perfect people to make that movie. Man of Steel didn't just happen in a vacuum, it made based on the trends of popular opinion.So really it is (you) who is the retard because you can't understand the larger point being made.
>>221406630>They bought a ticket to see the brand new special effects.That may be true, but the film endures because it presented a sincere and hopeful version of Superman that matches the core of the character.
>>221406670>but the film endures because it presented a sincere and hopeful version of Superman that matches the core of the character.Shut the fuck up, Supernerd.
>>221406181Exactly.SuperCuck is more like it.
>it's another uncs hung up on Reeve Superman episodeIt's all so tiresome
I can and will accept that good can be genuine. I won't accept that I should watch a modern Hollywood capeshit character for no other reason than to idolize him. Fruit from the poisonous tree.
Returns is probably the most unfairly criticized film in cinematic history.
>>221405174This. I would also add that the Commie Left wouldn't like seeing him apprehending actual criminals.I'd love for this Superman to exist IRL just to see what he'd do to ANTIFA and BLM rioters.Of course he wouldn't just punch them into the sun like they truly deserve, but he wouldn't let them stop innocent productive citizens going about their business, or get away with hurting anyone.That's why they hate traditional heroes, even an ideal Reeve Superman who was absolutely fair about it would make them rage more than anything else - even seeing it in fiction on a movie screen.
>>221406683What point are you trying to make here?
>>221407977It's not the worst Superman movie, and Routh and Spacey are perfect casting, even the plot is fairly solid, but everything with Superman having a kid fails spectacularly, and overall the film is just really dour.
>>221406947>unc
>>221408114unc
>>221405174>US wasn't totally ashamed of itself back in the 70slollmao even
