what was his tax policy?
>>221586575I imagine with that massive standing military and ships as large as continents, his taxes were quite high
He was working on it before fucking Yoda butted in
>>221586575ill-defined and nebulous
>>221586575high tax for lower & middle classes, almost nonexistent tax for highest classes and corporations who can afford it the most, just like the US
>>221586575When the Empire ran things it was the most peaceful time of all of Star Wars.
>>221588987>almost nonexistent tax for highest classes and corporations who can afford it the mostWell sort of, the tradeoff is that the ultra-wealthy corporations behind the Empire's military (Kuati Drive Yards, Seinar Systems, etc.) were still essentially at his mercy. So no direct tax, but all kinds of indirect pressure to "contribute" or not make a fuss if Imperial officials started cutting into their profits. >>221589012The Empire lasted less than 20 years, and it was wracked with civil war/rebellion for half that period. The post-Ruusan Old Republic oversaw a period of peace that lasted nearly 900 years.
>>221589012>that fucking piclel>>221589045damn, it truly was better than the US
>>221589045 *And just in general, a very funny narrative that was sort of established in the pre-Disney canon and has only been reinforced by shows like Andor, is that Palpatine didn't give a fuck about how the Empire actually functioned. He was almost comically hands off, he just wanted to kill the Jedi and take over the galaxy and once he accomplished that he had no real vision for what came next except "build up the military in case those Vong guys try anything"
>>221589084>he had no real vision for what came next except "build up the military in case those Vong guys try anything"I hate this quasi-justification stuck in the EU
>>221589045It was a good 23-33 year run.
If you hate the old EU you are a faggot.That is all.
>>221589154you can like the EU while not liking everything they did (like trying to fucking make Mara Palpatine's hand that was just offscreen the entire OT)
>>221589075>damn, it truly was better than the USWell yes and no. The US is hopelessly corrupt and the president is an open whore for any tech billionaire willing to bribe him via campaign donations or "ballroom contributions", but he can't actually credibly threaten to vaporize Elon Musk or Jensen Huang. He's also not immortal. >>221589121Yeah, I hate it too. If Palpatine actually cared about the Vong, he would have revealed the truth about Outbound Flight to the whole galaxy at the first opportunity. The fact that he was aware of them at all is one of the worst parts of the EU, surpassed only by Darth Caedus.
>>221589154btw they're also the original source for bringing Palpatine back to life like 3 times
>>221589154>>221589194I love the old EU but I can also recognize that a lot of it was retarded. In a way that's almost the charm, there was virtually no quality control oversight so you could get brilliant stories and terrible stories. You can get absolute kino like Ganner Rysode's last stand on Coruscant, or Thrawn using stealth-coated asteroids to pin down the Republic fleet around Coruscant (which the Expanse copied for one its best arcs). You can also get utter garbage, like Anakin Solo's ex-girlfriend molesting Ben Skywalker. It's a sharp contrast to the current state of Star Wars under Disney, where everything is kept in a narrow band of water-flavored mediocrity except for random stuff that gets out almost by accident, like Andor.
>>221589194https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfUn19ZIyqo
>>221589278>Anakin Solo's ex-girlfriend molesting Ben Skywalker.oh come on, Ben was all about that and almost gave in
>>221589278The old EU actually told stories it wasn't always just an allegory of "Orange Man Bad!"
>>221586575>we're going to build a Death Star and we'll make the Jedi pay for it
nothing about that scene was "scarring" to Ben in any way and he fucking regretted not being able to fuck her because it meant he had to betray the jedi
IN FACT that whole thing gave Ben a fucking Sith girl fetish that would pay off for a dumb sith slut later
>>221586575I have raised your taxes. Pray I don't raise them any further.
>>221586575>Everything is mine. Even if you think it’s yours, that’s only me letting you borrow it.Dictator policy.
>>221586575Did he rule as well as augustus
>>221589318Kek
>>221586575Basically what America is today. Burgerpunk capitalism.High taxes on the working class and exploiting the galaxy whilst his higher-ups pay nothing and get rich on military contracts.Automation and slave labour from other planets likely causes high unemployment in key systems which is why the empire is mostly crewed by people and not clones or droids. The empire's military largely functions as a socio-economic program. If you're not an elite, you either wagecuck in some shithole or become a stormtrooper.
>>221589317True. Again, that's the benefit of no real quality control or oversight. If Karen Traviss wanted to write a story about how the Jedi were fascists, she could do that, and it wouldn't affect the larger narrative because subsequent authors could simply ignore it. >>221589309>>221589327>>221589347Sorry fellas but that's not gonna hold up in court. Tahiri is still getting Chris Hansen'd.
>>221586575>what was his tax policy?Fascism maybe communism. Its actually covered in the deleted Toshi Station scene with Biggs in A New Hope when they talk about the Empire nationalizing industry.https://youtu.be/BBp6PEHV_MU
>>221589397Frighteningly accurate.
>>221589398>that's the benefit of no real quality control or oversight.What the fuck do you call the Poe Dameron Fart wedding?
>>221589447really, can we not pretend yidsney did anything but replace a carefully created yet flawed miniature universe model with a contractor bag they filled with darrhea
>>221589397>>221589424Holy Reddit!
>>221589397And just like our current system of intertwined government bureaucracy and private contractors, it creates an incentive structure where everyone is dependent on the system and terrified to ever rock the boat. They don't even have to threaten you. If you live in some Outer Rim shithole with no jobs, getting fired from the Imperial service is practically a death sentence. You'll do whatever they want you to do.
I can't wait to move to the States.Living in rural Canada is virtually STALKER.
>>221589189>If Palpatine actually cared about the Vong, he would have revealed the truth about Outbound Flight to the whole galaxy at the first opportunity.this, he definitely would have used it for propaganda purposes if nothing elseI don't even hate the vong thing like a lot of people, at least they TRIED to make a significant threat that the force was powerless against>>221589278the worst bits of the old EU were usually early on stuff like Palpatine's son with Vader's glove or whatever (that was actually a book for very young children made before there even really was an "EU") and constantly bringing Palpatine back; and the tendency to water down really great novel trilogies by adding a shit ton of filler to stretch them out into 9 book series
>>221589512you should have moved here years ago, now is the worst time, we'll be the UK in 10 years
I'm kinda stuck on the 3rd Han Solo book. But I do appreciate how weird and wonderful the early EU was.
>>221589447The Poe Dameron Fart wedding is MCU humor. Disney wouldn't have allowed it if it didn't fit into their larger plan for how they wanted to market their big franchises. We know they micromanage the fuck out of their movies and are hypersensitive to things like focus groups and polling. George Lucas, for all his flaws, never cared about that. He was willing to sign off on practically anything, and if he got a stupid idea in his head he'd put it on screen, logic or reception be damned. Basically what I'm saying is that in the old EU, the fart wedding would be one writer basically going rogue and doing something stupid. In the Disney era, Chuck Wendig's draft for that almost certainly was carefully reviewed and approved by Disney, which makes it infinitely worse.
>>221589583We're getting flooded too with incompatibles.
>>221589620you should see texas, all indians nowmost local public office races are all muslim or indian candidates
>>221589610It became a committee!
>>221589610>We know they micromanage the fuck out of their movies and are hypersensitive to things like focus groups and polling.this, but instead of how companies usually use these things, they basically poll for wehatever the original fanbase thinks or wants, and avoids doing anything like that if not spitefully doing the exact opposite
>>221589652That's where I'm heading to...
>And what of the Rebellion?>If the Rebels have obtained a complete final draft of the Emperor's tax reforms it is possible - however unlikely - that they might find a loophole... and exploit it
>>221589697>The Emperor can simply veto the Rebels' changes to the tax policy>Mein Tarkin...the Rebels......>The Rebels have a veto-proof supermajority in the Imperial Senate
>>221589610>Chuck WendigHe didn't do the fart wedding, that was in a different book. He did the>the TIE fighter went all higgledy-piggledy across the rooftops, it zipped and zoomed and herkily-jerkily made a heckin' fliparooni before exploding into a million bajillion pieces
>>221589734Alderaan was actually blown up for being Bail Organa and Mon Mothma's offshore tax haven, the whole "rebel alliance" story was a ruse.
>>221589748jesusnothing can be as bad as them adding the bullshit where sith have to "hurt" the kyber crystals to get a red fucking lightsaberpure roastie fantasy
>>221589784Lightsaber crystals can have periods?
>>221589784It's so fucking stupid, I can't believe they went with>the sith do THIS to their lightsabers actuallyin the Acolyte. Shit was fucking ridiculous.
>>221589809lel>>221589820>and then he HURTS the kyber crystal and makes it BLEED, makes it HIS and ONLY HIS *vibrating chair pad shorts out from being soaked*
>>221589748Look he's the only nucanon writer I can name off the dome and I fucking despise the guy>>221589784That's also the dumbest shit. The red crystals being synthetic fits perfectly with Sith ideology. They view the Force as a tool. Of course they make their crystals in a lab. They see no value in a pilgrimage to cave to meditate and craft their lightsaber. The idea that they need to do a special ritual to make the crystal a special color is retarded, the Sith wouldn't care what color their weapon was.
>>221589820I like the idea of synthetic crystals.Like why the fuck would the Sith care about nature?
>>221589870You're forgetting the Sith Code, anon.>Peace is a lie, there is only passion. >Through passion, I gain strength. >Through strength, I gain victory. >Through victory, my chains are broken. >I just like, really like red, it's just like totally my color, y'know? I like, aligned my chakras with this crystal, so it matches my aura, and it's just sooooo me!
>>221589473Reminder that George Lucas based Palpatine and his rise to power on America and George Bush, and even had Darth Vader quote Bush. The Empire was always an analogy for the USA and Lucas was always an anticapitalist hippie. THX 1138 is basically a capitalist version of 1984 and the society in that movie is a proto-empire.I dunno if George ever commented on Disneywars, but I'd imagine he'd love Andor because it continues his political ideas very well
>>221589862>>221589870It also implies that all of the Sith were originally Jedi which is just retarded, unless we're expected to believe that both sides are making their pilgrimages to Ilum or wherever the crystals grow and one side is just sitting there going>HNNNNNNNNNGGGGGHHHH AHHH I HATE THE FORCE I HATE MY PARENTSafter they pick it up until theirs turns red.
>>221589929>The Empire was always an analogy for the USAoh bullshit, what George said he intended when changes constantly based on whimhe was supposed to do 2 more trilogies at first then ditched that idea after his divorce and crammed it all into ROTJ, and never planned those trilogies, then when he was making the PT it suddenly was always all about Anakin, whole series was about him, never the case before thathe's a compulsive liar and an egomaniac
>>221589929>The Empire was always an analogy for the USATrue, but I'd also argue that the Empire was a mashup of every negative authoritarian regime that your average American is familiar with: Nazi uniforms, Soviet aesthetics, British accents. It was still an analogy for the US, but in way that was palatable to your average American because it was somewhat removed from us on a surface level. Lucas may have based the Rebellion on anticapitalist rebels, but he still had most of them played by Americans.
>>221589748>>221589610>>221589447>Poe Dameron fart weddingWHAT!?QRD, NOW!
>>221589988Bush wasn't even VP when the first movie came out
>>221589929When people continue to spew shit like this just makes hate Star Wars.I don't care about real world politics fuck off!
>>221589995https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV5Tk5jS7lw
>>221590000>Bush wasn't even VP when the first movie came out1. Left-wing criticism of US foreign policy predates Bush Sr and Bush Jr 2. Bush Sr was director of the CIA in the 70s, before becoming VP. So while the original trilogy was certainly not a direct reference to him, he was part of the system that Lucas was criticizing.
>>221590073allegories are fucking gay and Tolkien was right to despise them
>>221590103Good fucking luck being an X-Men fan for last 25 years.
>>221589983I mentioned THX for a reason. He made that movie BEFORE Star Wars and it is a capitalist dystopia, and clearly a blueprint for the Empire. Lucas has very consistent leftwing anticapitalist politics across his movies, the OT doesn't show much of it but I think it is obvious what Lucas imagined what kind of thing he was rebelling against in his space fantasies
>>221590114you totally can as long as you completely ignore the allegorieshell it goes beyond allegory and makes Magneto a fucking concentration camp survivor
>>221590103Agreed, and Tolkien was based for using the foreword of the LOTR books to say "No I didn't base this on WWII, Sauron isn't Hitler, if I based this on anything it was WWI, the war I actually fought in, shut the fuck up and enjoy the story" (I'm paraphrasing but you get the gist)
>>221590126fair enough, I can see the Bush thing with the PT, but it's definitely not applicable retroactively, hence my kneejerk
>>221590131indeedily doodily
>>221590129On the bright side, it gave us the scene from First Class where Charles tells Magneto to spare some soldiers because "they're just following orders" which has to be the funniest line in the history of superhero movies. Especially since earlier in the movie we got a scene where Charles looks into Magneto's memories and sees what's strongly implied to be Magneto's family hiding from the Nazis
>>221590149I just don't feel like Lucas is bullshitting or contradicting himself when he talks about the Empire representing America because he was always the kind of guy to do something like that, even if he chose not to focus on it in the OT.In general Lucas is way more consistent and passionate about his world than people give him credit for. A lot of the prequel lore is actually really old and dates back to the 70's. Stuff like the Emperor being named Palpatine, the Sith, even fucking midi-chlorians were already thing. I also 100% believe George's CGI rape in the special editions was a genuine attempt at making them closer to what he originally intended
>>221590162he has such a weird, virtue signaled kind of empathy; will do shit like that then effectively dominate Jean clandestinely against her will "for the greater good"
>>221590308I think that's sort of the point of his character. Charles means well but he's fundamentally an insanely spoiled rich boy without much perspective outside of his own worldview, and expects everyone to conform to that worldview. Even getting paralyzed doesn't really put a dent in that because he still possesses godlike power. People like to compare him to MLK but IMO he's very FDR-coded, and not because of the wheelchair.
>>221586575I'd imagine he had a very evil tax policy
>>221589349So Empire was basically EU but in space?
He was literally communist, he nationalised all the major industries and banks that he used during the clone wars.
>>22158657590 percent tax. 90 percent into the military industry complex to build giant planet busters.
>>221586575Like most fascist states, High on the poor, low on the rich. The unsustainability of that model meant that the imperial economy was propped up by wide scale mass looting certain demographics or unlucky worlds, and the selling off of public infrastructure.
>>221586575By the time of ROTJ he was a 100% dictator who essentially owned everything in the Empire. So there weren't really any real taxes. Just the Empire showing up and taking whatever they wanted at any given time and if you resist you're dead and probably at the least your entire local government structure will be glassed from orbit by a star destroyer. So something like a Kim Jong Un kind of setup.
>>221590149The OT, or more specifically A New Hope, was about Nixon and Vietnam. Palpatine was Nixon destroying our freedoms and shooting college protestors, and the Rebels were the Viet-kong but White resisting his evil army (not to be confused with the Ewoks, who were also the Viet Kong, but from a different angle).
>>221589697>Don't be too proud of this financial terror you've constructed. The ability to balance a budget is insignificant next to the power of a high paid accountant.>Don't try and frighten us with your Hebrew ways Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen company expense reports, or helped you divine the Rebels W-2's... -ACK.
