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>>221741681
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Justice for Mudge! Justice for Clay!
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All hail God Emperor Ormund
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>>221741710
He's so based and cool
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>>221741710
Why doesn't Teseract just burn Ormrund?
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Kill the twink, Daeron.
And let the chud be born.
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He comes....
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Find it kind of hard to have sympathy for GRRM when he's upset at the direction and choices of these shows when its the fat lazy cunt himself that cant be arsed finishing anything or leaves everything too vague
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>>221741710
Why is he like this?
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It's a pity Green Council episode got butchered so hard. It had some of the best dialogue in the book but instead we got the chase for who will get to Aegon sooner.
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I like how they took the racial supremacy angle of house Targaryen and gave it to house Hightower instead. Targaryens are all woke mix raced jews in show verse and Hightowers scratch that Nazi itch that is missing
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>>221741722
Cute and canon!
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>>221741680
Most useless character by far award
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well. they both die
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Helaena Targaryen is ugly and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
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>>221741735
there is a difference between being vague and completely changing everything for stupid reasons
most of the dance character are super basic but the show producers are fucking everything out of spite
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>>221741766
She's beautiful, I'll hear no slander.
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>>221741740
Alicent we deserved
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>>221741722
Kek, the slop machine called them a couple.
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>>221741766
You are gay
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>>221741681
>>221741697
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>>221741766
she pretty and awkward. I would lay my seed
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>your grace, no I will not give Jaehaerys a horsey ride! With all due respect fuck you and fuck your son
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>>221741787
Eight and ten is gurm's retarded way of saying eighteen btw
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>>221741650
das rite, you green chuds. y'all is nazis
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>>221741831
I would've liked to see an episode with Tyland and Ormund.
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>>221741856
>Average Hightower supporter
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>>221741860
Tyland is probably the most honorable green in the books. He actually gave a fuck about the realm.
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>>221741881
Sorry, wrong pic.
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The Bitch Queen of Bastards will force Helaena to drink moon tea resulting in a miscarriage
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>>221741881
Reminder that under the enlighted rule of King Aegon II the GLORIOUS and his Hand, supreme Andal Leader Ormund Hightower, ever single one true andal chud would had received a similar looking crown-mandated wife
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>>221741931
No, Luthor will push her down (behind rhaenyras back)
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>>221741948
lmao, she thinks she's part of the team
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>>221741856
Yeah, that's me on the left
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>>221741650
>male nudity again
Why does it keep happening?
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>>221741949
both can happen I think
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>>221741891
pretty much, yeah
Maesters didn't storm the Dragonpit with their books and potions
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>>221741931
She’s shown giving birth in one of the trailers. My guess is that he’s stillborn which leads to Helaena’s suicide. One of the potential reasons given in the book of why she commits suicide is that Mysaria told her what happened to Maelor. So this is a way of doing that with the compressed timeline.
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>>221741980
No, rhaenyra forcing her to drink tea would be evil and they are not going to do that
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>>221741983
>he doesn't know of maesters' secret Warrior Summoning Ritual
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>>221741697
Actual marriage material
Cara mia
Helen of Troy is green with envy
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>>221741650
Why is Dry Devil marching with the Hightowers?
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The show uses rape as a cheap device so it is a guarantee there will be more rape. The real question is WHO WILL BE RAPED NEXT? Place your bets on who on whom and the episode number.
My bet is Mysaria by Daemond in E6
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>>221741710
>facemogs
>heightmogs
>armormogs
>armymogs
>familymogs
>heritagemogs
>voicemogs
>genemogs
>colormogs
>racemogs
>rapemogs
>civilwarsidemogs
>squiremogs
>swordmogs
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>>221741987
it's a miscarriage forced on her by Rhaenyra, Orwyle will tell her it's too late for the moon tea and Rhaenyra will go through with it anyway

This season is about tearing down Rhaenyra and prepping the masses for what will happen next season
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>>221742018
Hughs wife is not going to dodge the rape after they killed her brother in fact the same guy is coming back to rape her for sure
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Is Ormund Hightower the best ASOIAF character ever put to film yes or yes
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This show is simply just woke crap huh, I was defending the other rape scene but this is just saying all male leaders are bad and basically just gang leaders. I mean the ending scene was just a gang initiation ritual, you gotta kill this man to be a Hightower. Maybe that is some point they are making that ancient kingdoms were basically just gangbangers in mentality. Hmm maybe.

Anyway this show is boring me, confusing, really hard to follow without ChatGPT telling every little detail and I am now sick of it.

I wonder if there are whores in this universe at this time, I can't remember any, did they plan to say there was a lot of rapes all the time since men couldn't have sex as much as they want too?
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>>221742021
>This season is about tearing down Rhaenyra and prepping the masses for what will happen next season
If that's the case then why do they white wash Rhaenyra at every opportunity?
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>>221742021
>This season is about tearing down Rhaenyra
What the fuck are you talking about? They keep forcing Rhaenyra as some kind of genius but the whole realm is against her and her commie government.

>prepping the masses for what will happen next season
Her heroic and defiant demise?
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In the end, they’re gonna be all they got left. Everyone else will be dead or team evil (aegon).
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but i liked the balls...
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>>221741856
B-but I thought Hightowers were jews?!! So that means….no….the targs are jews?? And I’ve been rooting for them this whole time???!! I’m gonna puke!!!
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>>221742053
they just made her order the city watch to break into everyones houses, drag them out, beat and kill some of them, they are shown forcing confessions out of explicitly innocent people. She hired a master of coin explicitly just to blame their problems on him. She hypocritically denied Corlys. She was about to send her innocent 15 year old half brother to the wall for doing his job (does she expect him to defect to her?). It's not like he burned a town or anything like Aemond.
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>>221741980
Mysaria will whisper something in her ear that we are left to speculate about and that makes her kill herself
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Its funny how much worse this show is compared to early GoT
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AYO NIGGA YOU GOT A LIGHT? LEMME HOLD YO WATCH NIGGA
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>>221742049
No lmao
He just stands out in hotd because everyone else, save for Tom is shit
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>>221741680
They really did just make her Nettles while removing the parts that made Nettles interesting huh
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>>221742136
I GOT DEEZ CHEESEBURGERS MAN
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>>221742128
even late got is better than this
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>>221742105
>they just made her order the city watch to break into everyones houses, drag them out, beat and kill some of them, they are shown forcing confessions out of explicitly innocent people.
That's not what happened.

Rhaenyra said "make it stop" and then the Gold Cloaks started using these heavy handed measures of their own volition. Rhaenyra's only crime here is that she was not explicit enough in her orders but she did not explicitly order the Gold Cloaks to kill innocent people and solicit forced confessions.

This is another example of Rhaenyra white washing. She is going to get the blame for the evil actions of the evil men that work beneath her.
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> targs are a bunch of incestuous blood mages!
> quick, let's groom a little boy epstein style, that'll show them the light of the seven!
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>>221742136
bubbles what da fuck
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>>221742018
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>>221742136
>Nigga is you takin' notes on a Hightower fuckin' conspiracy?
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>>221742136
AYO WE WUZ DRAGON RIDAZ AND SHEIT
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>>221741710
Praise Him! A vessel of the Seven who are One.
>>221742049
Yes. He's anti-establishment, anti-imperialist and is for Andal liberation. He's far more radical and noble than Rhaenyra in essence but the blackfag masses will never think on it for more than 2 seconds.
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>>221742105
None of this shit is even worth mentioning in that world. Even with Corlys, she said please wait and he basically shit talk her dead son and she just took it. She’s been very kind to her prisoners while daemon wanted them killed.
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Still need a sped up webm of Ormund reading hte letter and losing his shit
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>>221741710
>>221741722
>>221742198
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>>221742162
No, she won't. She will force Helaena to drink the moon tea, she will never reprimand Ser Luthor for his heavy handedness with the smallfolk, and people left and right will rightfully begin to abandon her, like Corlys and soon Daemon.
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>>221742198
Kino pick. Needs a new one with Ormund mewing added
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>>221742229
He is so unfathomably based holy shit.
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>>221742248
retard
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>>221742037
but he was gelded
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>>221742229
wh... why does he look like he's about to cry?
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>>221742239
It’s the theatre, not television. There’s always some abstraction with plays so the race of the actors is less relevant
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godless Sheepstealer vs catholic Tessarion
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>>221742272
He was obviously lying to placate the citizens.
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>>221742212
Who do you mean? She killed Otto, she has not been kind to Alicent or Helaena. She told Helaena "I'll allow you to see Jaehaera for an hour once every few days". That's unnecessarily cruel, she's becoming cruel. She is also talking down to Ulf and belittling him beyond what's necessary, she's inviting him to betray her.
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>>221742306
source: https://x.com/debustee/status/2076747168476455365
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>>221742297
>There’s always some abstraction with plays
????
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>>221741650
Do you guys think rape is as easy as GRRM makes it seem? How can you rape three women in one night? Don't they resist you and you have to rip off all their clothes and can you imagine getting an erection with all that and no stimulation just mentally or maybe you can jerk it but one arm hold her down one arm jerk it or maybe you threaten her life so she just gives up but you just say oh goodie ima have some sex pleasure now so you get hard but what if someone comes in there how do you keep up that bestial intensity to just ignore anything come what may to finish inside.

Anyway all this to say is rape just seems like it should be way more exhausting.

Like this scene where there are ten people watching this guy attempted rape this one chick how can you be so crazy you can do that and get hard around everyone?

I guess I am just one of those soiboi Americans from the west coast and cannot understand what its like to have magical testosterone powers.
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>>221742268
remember me when it all comes to be, and Rhaenyra starts ordering people to be killed or tortured who don't deserve it
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>>221742229
>Targaryens destroy most of the continent and their own house in this retarded civil war
>The rest of the noble houses agree to keep Targs on the throne despite them not even having any dragons anymore; end up creating at least two more terrible kings down the line.
Ormund was right. Wipe the slate clean.
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Wouldn't they salvage a dragon? the leather, mean and bones would be worth a fortune, shirley.
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>>221742359
the targaryan peace was acceptable until the mad king targeted the nobility

>>221742376
yes the dragonbone is valuable as fuck as well
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>The economics of Aegon and Larys' new home is based solely around collecting shit and piss
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>>221742359
Having a really bad ruler once every 100 years is worth it to avoid all the war that happened before the kingdoms were united
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>>221741856
why does this trigger chuds so much?
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>>221741787
>girls as young as eight and ten
So 18?
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>>221742406
Was it really that bad? It was mostly the Ironborn chimping out and the Stormlanders responding. The North, The Vale, The Westerlands, The Reach and Dorne didn't seem to have much interest in each other.
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>>221742376
Do you want plausible lore reason, or do you want to say the writers are bad and don't consider it as deeply as we do?

It could be that the taboo is so strong that the smallfolk are afraid to touch it. Hunting deer and game isn't just illegal because it belongs to the nobles but because it's usually symbolic of their houses. It's probably engrained, like them cowering in fear at Meleys' head.
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>>221742406
Pre-Targ war
>ser Glubb of Bumfuck Nowhere (100 men-at-arms, 3 knights) vs ser Shitto of Irrelevantos (80 men-at-arms, 4 knights)
>fight for the meadow beside the hill
>10 dead, 25 wounded, one knight captured for ransom
Targ war
>
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>>221742441
It’s not really fleshed out all that well
There’s also the economic benefits besides
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>>221742013
Nobody played your woke game
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>>221742359
People wanted peace and stability above all at the end of the Dance. Keeping the Targshits was the least bad option at the time. Removing them would mean a realm collapse and chaos for possibly a century or more. Targshits were neutered without dragons and hopefully become more Westerosi.

Ormund was right but is also a realist. His current plan is to put a highly Andalized line through Daeron on the throne.
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>>221741735
He's retarded for not getting creative control in his contract. GoT, I can kind of understand. He didn't have as much power back then. But when the series was successful he should have signed a deal with HBO immediately for any spin-offs based on his world. And then when D&D fucked it all up in the final seasons of GoT he could have wielded his contract and their failure to get whatever he wanted with HotD.
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>>221742441
Norf and Vale were fighting and mass raping each other for three irrelevant islands until they got bored of it
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>>221742376
My headcanon is that like hunting the kings game without permission, cutting up a dragon is heavily punished.
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>>221742229
I need a gif of him calling him a good boy
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>>221742223
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Blood and Cheese on the show should have at least knocked out Heleana or tied her up and gagged her. Something so she can't immediately tattle on you like the big tattle tale she is and try to get you in trouble for your prank
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>>221742399
Sounds like living in Norfolk.
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>>221742490
It's almost as if he's a fat lazy cunt who does nothing but complain nowadays
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>>221742320
Like I said none of this is even worth mentioning even her killing Otto she says I don’t know if I can and daemon and Otto basically egg it on. The she has fucking snot dripping out of her nose doing it. Everything she does is just watered down intentionally to help the audience feel for her. meanwhile team green needs rape (the worst thing that a man can do) every other episode to help remind they’re the bad guys here. Even ulf you already know it’s gonna be like “he killed all those people because rhaenyra didn’t make this drunk a Targaryen prince” which most people wouldn’t want to do themselves anyways.
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>>221742188
I legit don't understand how rape happens. Like how can you get it hard in a tense situation like this
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>>221742198
Added The Hightower to your kino pic
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>>221742530
>he killed all those people because rhaenyra didn’t make this drunk a Targaryen prince
She locked him in the Red Keep and called him her slave
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>>221742507
>When even 50% Hightower Targshits can't stick to the plan.
The taint is real
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>>221742488
Ormund surviving Tumbleton therefore keeping the Hightower army united, and then marching up with Daeron to King’s Landing, with Daeron succeeding Aegon, is the good ending. Perhaps if Maelor escaped and was able to get safely into Hightower custody, so he would rule with Daeron as regent.
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>>221742095
did she forget her father used balls on small council meetings as well?
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>>221739682
season 1 bran is icsh
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>>221742198
>>221742545
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>>221742553
Aemond didn't even know he should go there. The letter was forged by Alicent who wants them dead.
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>>221742384
>yes the dragonbone is valuable as fuck as well
this ain't Skyrim nigga
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>>221742507
>tfw your army wins a battle Mount & Blade through auto resolve but you end up losing five of your best troops to random bandits
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>>221742507
why isn't that valyrian steel cutting through wood?
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>>221742567
I didn't create it but very nice anon. Good job I'm proud of you.
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>>221742490
The IP was on the rocks after S8. I don’t think creators are able to demand creative control anyways. Besides, he’s supposed to be working on Winds, F&B 2, and Dunk and Egg, if he was announced to be consulting heavily on HOTD, fans would chimp out.
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>>221742608
Weirwood wood.
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>>221742611
>The IP was on the rocks after season 8
House of the Dragon was in development before Game of Thrones even ended, and despite all the whining online season 8 is still the peak of the franchise in viewership.
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>>221742018
Aemond will be raped next. Technically he's being raped already, but that will continue for some time. They're not going to actually rape any women in this show. Only men get raped, and then women get attempted raped.
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>>221742507
I like how Roxton goes to pick up the chair as if this was routine situation
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In hindsight, was it a good fight sequence?
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>>221742053
What they're trying to do and what the story actually does are very different things.
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>>221742552
She said don’t go out to drink anymore you might fucking die and we’re in a war still. You can drink all you want in here. You can dream on about her ever acting like daemon does so casually slapping them around and actually shit talking them. That would actually make her look bad. Bet you she finds out about rhaena and nothing actually happens besides boohoo you lied to me daemon.
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>>221742529
>we are living in the Weimar Republic
Fatass broken clock actually got that right but not for the reasons he thinks.
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>>221742634
So?
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>>221742637
The way Daeron told the servant to get out when he sensed a tantrum coming on does suggest this is a common thing from Ormund
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>>221742608
you still need strength to cut through things and it's a thick piece of wood
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>>221741710
i love ormund, finally someone called out the targshits for the low iq foreign savages that they are
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>>221742104
Incestuous aliens, enslaving people, using the threat of weapons of mass destruction to keep everyone from throwing off their chains? Hmm, yeah, I wonder who they'd be...
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>>221741710
he was getting too based so they made him dislikable by killing that random guy
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Ormund is king chud and will be dealt with. Hopefully they reveal he’s a pedo too.
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>>221742162
>Men should just read the woman's mind and know what she actually meant
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Did Ormund still end up gelding Gerrick of Rapeshore or did he just say that to save face?
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>>221741948
aemond would never consider himself a hightower before a targ, he's a proud lizard fucker
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the characterization of Ormund and Daeron is ridiculous, the final straw for this show being anything but a pile of slop thrown together with the greens as the designated unwoke villain.
was there ever any sign of westerosi hating Valyrians as a "tainted" race, instead of fearing them for their dragons and inbreeding? Weren't the old noble houses like the Hightowers meant to be adaptive and power-hungry, marrying into the Targaryens to keep and expand power? Aren't the Hightowers First Men, not Andals who always followed the Seven? It might make sense for lower-tier houses to resent the Targs for pushing everyone down a tier in the pecking order, but anyone who had the opportunity to marry in seems to have taken it.
Why are they presenting it with cliches like the Targareyns are seen as tainted abominations kept around for their power, like x-men mutants or Eldians in attack on titan?

the killing of the particular civilian was so stupid it's almost an afterthought. Why present in public the idea that the soldier was wrong for trying to rape a civilian, if he also holds that the civilians should be punished for resisting? How would that man be secretly abducted (after a curfew) and made to disappear, without undermining the idea that the hightowers represent justice and an orderly occupation?
it only makes sense in the context that the writers want to show Ormund forcing Daeron to kill someone we know to be innocent. If there wasn't the element of secrecy, and Ormund forced Daeron to execute a sentence that he passed publicly, people could still see Ormund and especially Daeron as morally grey characters. Why the need for secrecy if the killing of this civilian resisting a rape attempt is supposed to deserve death?
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>>221742674
This idea that Game of Thrones as an IP was "on the rocks" is irl headcanon, just like the revenge fantasy that DND were "fired from Star Wars"

HotD still does s6 numbers almost a decade after the original series ended, this idea that no one likes Game of Thrones anymore has always been massive cope from Danyfags and theorycrafters who got butthurt by their headcanons not panning out
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>>221742701
I didn't make me dislike him. The show ignored too many killings already.
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> is a nigger
> claimed dragon is notorious for stealing

What did the writers mean by this?
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>>221742229
He should have said all that without acting like a pedophile. And he shouldn't have made Daeron kill some random innocent for no reason. It completely ruins the character.
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>>221742136
TRYN TO CATCH ME RIDIN DIRTY
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>>221742556
Even in the book it's obvious Daeron was the only one who belonged near the throne.
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Why did Olivia Cooke get fat?
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hello i am indian
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>>221742561
I know it's a gay pedophile thing, but what does "icsh" even mean?
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>>221742809
incredibly cute shota
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>>221741680
Is she gone from the show now? Stop wasting screentime on this dogshit character already
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>>221742809
"I am a pedo who should khs"
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Cleaning a little to leave mainly Ormund shots.
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People might like Ormund too much, due to being a cultured man, who outmanoeuvred Daemon and carrying on Otto's will?

Better make him have outbursts of rage! Oh, don't forget, make him force Daeron to kill an innocent man for no reason!
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>>221742836
me when the rapidgator download fails at 97%
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>>221742819
Then what's iclh?
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>>221741799
The show were they hate each other would be so much more kino than this woke slop.
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>>221742836
>normies on twitter getting ptsd of their own dads comically losing their shit
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>>221742796
One of them had to.
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How are they gonna play into Ormunds weakness to smells? Is Rhaenyra gonna catapult poop/sewer into the town
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>>221742376
Targs are too stupid to do that, and don't call me Shirley.
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>>221741710
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why do alicent and helaena even need to get Maelor out of King's Landing? Rhaenyra has already been shown to be merciful, another child of Aegon woudln't be in any danger
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>>221742675
The body that is his vessel has a hard time containing his OP soul and emotions.
>>221742679
Someone has to be sane in this realm of insanity.
>>221742836
I love the fast rolling of the tiny message. I can't stop laughing.
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>>221742730
that whole sequence makes no sense when you consider it would be impossible to arrest or abduct the civilian and "disappear" him without it becoming obvious that the Hightower garrison will kill any civilian who resists them
if Ormund somehow managed to arrest the civilian secretly (which should be impossible), the civilians would instead blame the soldiers acting contrary to the will of Ormund, which sends the wrong message to both the civilians and the soldiers
if he wanted to be pseudo-Solomonic, he could have inflicted both punishments in public, which still would not have made sense, because he couldn't say it's wrong to resist the soldiers without saying the soldiers can do whatever they want without recourse
pure idiocy
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Legitimately how do people still hate Cole so much?
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if it turned out that Olivia Cooke really does read these threads, would it make you feel bad for her because of all the posts calling her fat
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So how is Aegon going to feed Raenyra to Sunfyre if the dragon is dead
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>>221742954
Sunfyre isn't dead.
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>I'm here boy, I'm here
>I know you're in there, wake up Sunfyre
>Please, wake up
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>>221742951
No I like that she’s getting fat. Very matronly. It’s hot.
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>>221742954
Not dead.
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>>221742939
But, have you considered ormund is... le evil?
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Was Alicent pleasuring old king Jaehaerys?
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>>221742942
Because Cole reminds women of their friendzoned beta orbiter who got mad that she kept taking advantage of his feelings
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There sure is a lot more left for just 4 more episodes heh…
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>>221742951
> Go find the Cooke stretcher, now!
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>>221742762
>also claimed that a white boy stole something from her that was never hers to begin with

WE
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Weren't they calling Cole an incel during the first season lmao
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>>221742942
Because he’s a self-important fag that won’t stop acting like a victim when he random murders high society with 0 repercussion. Lets everyone under his watch get assaulted or murdered while fucking royalty or doing something. That isn’t his job and then sperging out and blaming someone else
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Can I PLEASE have Sheepstealer get torn into 3 by Cannibal?
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>>221743016
crazy that we have 12 episodes left of the entire series and it only just now feels like the war is in full swing

No way in hell we are getting the Hour of the Wolf or any of the regency.
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>>221741710
>racist,
>sexist,
>misogynist,
>literally nazi
>zealot
ofc /tv/ incels love him
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>>221742951
Who cares what some shriveled hag reads.
Sex with Emma D'Arcy resulting in pregnancy.
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>>221742951
I have been jerking it to Olivia Cooke since Bates Motel, she is perfect.
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>>221742942
Even in these threads he's being slept on because of how awesome Ormund is.
Cole going guerrilla war mode despite the odds makes him one of the most heroic of the greens. He knows it will help Ormund better. Cole also has the best character soundtrack on the show.
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>>221743052
This but unironically.
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>>221742737
>was there ever any sign of westerosi hating Valyrians as a "tainted" race, instead of fearing them for their dragons and inbreeding?
Early in the Targaryen reign, the biggest opposition they got from the people of Westeros was due to the incest. Jaehaerys invested a large amount of political capital early in his reign getting them to accept it, including opposition from his own mother and regent.
>Weren't the old noble houses like the Hightowers meant to be adaptive and power-hungry, marrying into the Targaryens to keep and expand power?
I feel like if you're gonna use any house in Westeros to forment anti-Targaryen sentiment, Hightower is the house to do it. They host both the Starry Sept and the Citadel. It depends on how far you're willing to accept maester conspiracies on whether they were involved in the downfall of the dragons and whatever they are doing in ASOIAF.

I'm inclined to believe it given how House Hightower has been conspicuously absent throughout ASOIAF and clearly something is going down at the Citadel with faceless men floating around.
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>>221743040
sheep stealer never dies. but who knows what the show will do
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are you ready for Hightowers to save the realm from eldritch cthulhu horrors?
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>>221741971
Where’d you get this pic of Aemond and Otto?
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>>221742942
because he isnt a kissass to their bossbabe rhaenyra
His character is completely raped from how he is in the book
no wonder Fabien was crashing out. He was given the role of one of the coolest characters in asoiaf and they made him a crybaby
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>>221742942
He's not white. He also whines a lot. Also Ormund mogs him in every way.
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>>221743047
What's not to like?
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Why do Reddit normies hate Ulf so much? He's my favourite character in the series (that I don't want to have sex with).
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>>221743036
That stuff happened 6 years ago I don’t even remember most of it. Seems like a deeper issue to be so mad at him
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>>221743104
>He's not white
>By the Gods, he's Dornish!

Meanwhile sub-saharan africans are present in the small council and are just wandering around the Red Keep and no one ever remarks on it
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>>221743043
At the very least Daemon and Aemond should die this season but I guess they want to milk Matt Smith for marketing season 4.
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>>221742942
he started out as a chad who was having none of rhaenyra's whore antics but then they turned him into a little bitch
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>>221742611
It hadn't set in for HBO yet that D+D were terrible at their jobs and had checked out completely. GRRM could've gotten any contract he wanted before season 8 actually aired. But what I actually said is he should've gotten that contract around GoT season 3 or 4. An open-ended HBO-gets-first-crack at anything GRRM has ever worked on or will work on in the future in this setting, in exchange for a certain amount of money and full creative control. HBO would have signed that deal in 2014 or 2015, no problem.
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>>221743128
Season 3 will climax with the Butcher's Ball and First Tumbleton. God's Eye will happen early in season 4
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>>221743109
He’s a lad. A toxic masculine lad.
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>>221743126
To be fair Arabs are worse than niggers
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>>221742642
The best choreographed, for sure. Way too foggy though.
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did they actually kill sunfyre or is it really alive like aegon said?
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>>221743139
>early season 4
Nah, that fucker is season 4 final
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>>221743070
damn Nyra is looking fine. Shame she is a they/them retard IRL
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burn all anti-targs shits
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>>221743109
It's fuckin weird because Ulf and Hugh are the only real working class(normal people) characters on the show. You'd think everyone would love them.
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>>221743063
>They outnumber us ten times
>Twenty
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>>221742939
Yeah, it's fucking madness.
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>>221743047
>racist
only against the family that conquered his continent
>sexist
not really, he believes in the gender roles of his setting
>misogynist
not at all
>literally nazi
literally retard
>zealot
not a positive or negative trait.
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>>221743149
>He's dead
>His dragon is dead
>I saw sunfyre rotting
>he's alive, I'm sure of it, he's still in there
GEE ANON. Have you ever heard of this thing called ''build up''
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>>221743143
t. kike
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>>221743149
Sunfrye is 110% alive, we saw an actual rotting dragon corpse in the next scene. Sunfyre is whole, just in deep hibernation so he can heal (I guess dragons can do that)

There's a shot in the trailers of Aegon surrounded by Mooton men, while Aegon turns behind him towards the camera that is rising on a crane, which is obviously Sunfyre waking back up to save his rider.
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>>221743063
Him being a blackpilled schizo is an interesting take on the character to say the least.
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Sunfrye isn't dead. Brumation mode and just taking a nap
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>>221743158
God's Eye is like the opening of the final act of the Dance, there's a TON that happens after it.
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>>221742737
>Ormund forcing Daeron to kill someone we know to be innocent
It's classic cult induction technique to make the victim feel tainted and think he doesn't deserve anything better than you.
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>>221743109
The concept of the Dragonseeds is one of the dumbest things George has ever come up with. In the show it makes even less sense; at least in the book they're mostly only found on Dragonstone.

Ulf in particular has been given a life changing opportunity and he's greedy; demanding more and feeling entitled to more, and ultimately betraying Rhaenyra due to his greed not being satisfied. He's disloyal, selfish, and a drunk.
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>>221743196
>I guess dragons can do that
Sunfyre is just built different
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>>221743209
Season 5A, 5B & 5C can cover those.
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>>221743109
hes disrespectful to saint rhaenyra
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>>221743212
>demanding more and feeling entitled to more
He just wants a house and pardons for his drinking buddies. A small reward for winning the war for you.
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>>221743193
Lmao my disdain towards Arabs is not exclusive to my disdain towards jews you fucking retard. Too bad there isn't jews in got. Iron Bank maybe?
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>they are going to spoil the surprise of Aegon waiting for Rhaenyra on Dragonstone
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>>221743183
>literally retard
You are. The writers called him a nazi.
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>>221743172
>Let us attack, as scorpion does the ox
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Why didn't they seize Daeron's Dragon?
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>>221742942
I dunno. He's got the best writing now out of everybody. I look forward to every scene of him and his ragtag army camping in the woods or hanging out in haunted castles. He was terrible after his freakout when Rhaenyra rejected him, and then he got raped by Alicent. But he's now fully his own man, and making the best decisions out of everybody. The fact that he's constantly shitting on everything the showrunners actually care about is just funny to me. Anyone who hates him now, as he currently is, is just siding with Sara Hess. Which makes them retarded lesbians. By default, that makes them wrong.
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>>221743249
so a medieval noble highlord is a follower of national socialism ideology?
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>>221743243
The war hasn't been won yet, though (nor will it be).
If he was asking for these things after the war was won then his position is a lot more sympathetic, but right now Rhaenyra is trying to win a war and has a lot on her plate, and he's demanding more and more from her.
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lmao wait i thought we were wrapping up this whole thing this season?
are you telling me there's another season? in what? 2029?
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>>221743169
With what dragons anon? They’re all dead D:
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>>221742642
I seriously don't get why people making movies and TV shows are so insecure in their own craft that they try to cover everything up with fog, mud and gray filters.
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>>221743281
There will be four seasons
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We out here, chillin’ and shit. Fuck yo dragums.
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>>221743274
>The war hasn't been won yet
There are only isolated leftovers of green forces, they would be justified thinking it is.
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>>221743243
>>221743274
If Rhaenyra was half as smart as she believes herself to be, she would say "Yes Ulf, we'll provide you a little fortified village for you to rule, and you'll be able to send all your "allies" there, no question asked, but first we need to secure our position and win the war"
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>>221742642
Why does this look entirely computer generated?
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>A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones is based on the Wars of the Roses, with fictional elements such as dragons, White Walkers, and magic added in,Characters and houses are based on combinations of historical figures and families; for example, Ned Stark / House Stark are based partly on the House of York and Scottish figures such as Robert the Bruce and William Wallace.Daenerys Targaryen is based on Henry Tudor/Henry VII, who returned from exile in France and Wars of the Roses, So GRRM didn't tell who won the throne, history did

Too bad Daenerys and Viserys are based off of the exiled Stuarts who never got back the throne according to GRRM
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Sunfyre being a walking corpse surviving purely on loyalty to his rider is to me all the more of an insult that they made Aegon a shit dragonrider in season 2

It would’ve to me been way better writing and way more compelling if Aegon the bumbling idiot was the best dragonrider of them all through his deep deep bond to Sunfyre, and that the only reason he lost to Rhaenys was because of Aemonds betrayal. For instance Aemond and Rhaenys could’ve been battling with Aemond actually taking a beating until Aegon comes to his aid and beats Rhaenys back, and then Aemond and Vhagar tardrage and incinerates them both with Rhaenys dying that way and Aegon being presumed dead

Him being an amazing rider would also make his bond to Sunfyre in s3 a bit more believable. Why else would this dragon somehow beyond half dead make it all the way to dragonstone despite being so weak that he literally dies choking on Rhaenyra
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>>221743307
>Aegon is alive
>Aemond and Vhagar are still alive
>The Reach, the Stormlands, and the Westerlands are in open rebellion against Rhaenyra
No, the war is obviously not over just because Rhaenyra has the Iron Throne, just as it was not over when Aegon had the Iron Throne
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>>221743073
>Early in the Targaryen reign, the biggest opposition they got from the people of Westeros was due to the incest
Yes, which means the Seven fanatics should be happy that the Targs are intermarrying with them, not acting like their grand-nephew is an abomination because he has tainted blood. Nobody ever avoided tainting their Andal/First Men/Rhoynar blood with Targaryen blood, did they? If that happened that would be interesting and not something I knew of.

>I feel like if you're gonna use any house in Westeros to forment anti-Targaryen sentiment, Hightower is the house to do it. They host both the Starry Sept and the Citadel. It depends on how far you're willing to accept maester conspiracies on whether they were involved in the downfall of the dragons and whatever they are doing in ASOIAF.
>I'm inclined to believe it given how House Hightower has been conspicuously absent throughout ASOIAF and clearly something is going down at the Citadel with faceless men floating around.
That's true, but it's implied or speculated that there might be conspiracies or traditional secret societies that know more ancient/arcane knowledge than the fragments of Valyrian lore that the Targaryens preserved. But this episode makes Ormund look like a kneejerk ignorant racist who thinks the Targs/Valyrians are a cursed race inferior to the Andals (even though the Hightowers are First Men or older still). The show will never have Ormund be anything other than an arrogant bastard who's racist to his puppy-dog grand-nephew, while the Black Targaryens are directly guided by Valyrian prophecies reinforced by whatever First Men/Children of the Forest magic that Alys Rivers is trucking in.
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>>221743338
>If Rhaenyra was half as smart as she believes herself to be
No one is arguing Rhaenyra is retarded.
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>>221743063
Genuine badass, seeking a glorious, honorable death away from all the fucked up dragon shit and dumbfuck royals, because he knows they're all already dead anyway and doesn't want to give those cunts the satisfaction of taking his head.
Which reminds me, why haven't the blacks gone to Old Town and razed it by now? Like, oh no, your army seized some stupid little merchant town with no strategic value. Whoops, your home is left virtually undefended then.
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>>221743348
One of Aegon's endearing qualities in the book is that he is a man of action who fights his own battles, but that would make Rhaenyra look bad by comparison, so his inclusion in Rook's Rest is changed from a King leading from the front to a drunk idiot stumbling his way into a fight he wasn't prepared for
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>In the name of the Father, I charge you to kill the innocent after you rape their wives
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>>221741710
the golden god
the seven star man
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>>221743109
Because he's a white man who rapes.
>>221743170
Since when did anyone on Reddit actually like the working class?
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>>221743381
But we know his character and it’s not believable that he actually wants an honorable death, it comes off as him once again showboating which is all he’s ever done. And the payoff is going to be this obnoxious crybaby faggot not even getting to larp his honorable death, nor be the scorpion that attacks the ox.

He tries to look cool infront of Gwayne
His army gets picked at by actual guerilla rivermen
Then he unceremoniously and pitifully dies getting pelted with arrows.

Perfect ending for the snivelling little woman
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>>221743212
A life changing opportunity to... risk his life for some dumb cunt who shouldn't even be queen? He gains no value of benefit from being a dragonrider in Rhaenyra's service, except bragging rights at the tavern, and he's not even allowed that. The least she could do is give him a few favors and a bit of money.
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>>221742880
incredibly cute loli
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>>221741856
How is it like that though
Tumbleton didn't put up a fight like France did
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/ourgirl/ Abigail Thorn is a pro wrestler now. Only a matter of time before she is WWE women's champ
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>>221743149
Don't tell me you're actually stupid enough to fall for it. The writers aren't even really trying.
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>>221743198
He's not as blackpilled now. He's theorised a way to fight the war without dragons being a problem. He has drive and energy again.
>>221743250
A humble soldier who's now redefining Westerosi warfare(small direct action forces). Literally as close to Big Boss as you can get. If only he could escape to Essos later and create a mercenary company.
>>221743381
Agreed he's taking the only option that gives him control of his fate. Surrendering or boxing himself in with Ormund are non-starters.
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>>221741856
average american foid's history knowledge
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>>221743516
they have gone entire off the rails with everything else. i wouldnt put it past them to kill off sunfyre and have clubfoot beat rhaenyra to death instead.
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>>221743518
Hope they aim for the neck with that armor
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>>221743461
>he gains no value of being her dragonrider
Apart from… being one of the most powerful individuals in the realm past the war that would basically be won if he wasn’t a retard

Cause this is how his circumstances would turn out if he didn’t try to double cross the current monarch who has 3-4 dragons to kill him with
>war ends
>he’s now arguably the most desired bachelor in the entire realm as a dragonrider with no as of yet betrothals
>Rhaenyra would marry him to an ally for political stability, probably someone in the crownlands, or riverlands
>he’s now at the least a lesser lord and can lift his friends out of poverty, hell he could probably move the entire pub to his new castle and have them drink and eat for free for life

The only dragonseed betrayal that makes sense is Hugh because obviously something with his wife is gonna make him turn on Rhaenyra
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>>221743381
>Which reminds me, why haven't the blacks gone to Old Town and razed it by now?
the hightower mech counters dragons with its AAA
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This is probably the floor.
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>>221743554
Hugh already forgot that his daughter died as a result of Rhaenyra's blockade, I can't imagine the show justifying his betrayal at all
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>>221743281
Should be in 2028. But if it slipped to 2029 I wouldn't be that surprised.
AKotSK is the only show that's going to be yearly.
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>they them has a banger body
>keep hiding it

It's not fair bros...
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>>221743554
>Apart from… being one of the most powerful individuals in the realm past the war that would basically be won if he wasn’t a retard
Powerful in what way? He can't do shit. He's constantly disrespected and he's supposed to risk his life for some dumb neurotic cunt?
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>>221743572
The fact that people gave the first 2 nines…fuck I hate normies
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>>221743572
Really? Episode 4 is the worst one yet?
What the fuck is people smoking?
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>>221743627
Agreed.
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>>221743352
Why is she doing nothing to win the war then? Send out her dragon riders, burn the great houses still rejecting her. They have no armies left at home, and no dragon support apparently. And the way dragons can teleport now, it could be over in an afternoon. Have the minor houses in those kingdoms bid on who will be the new great house there, biggest tribute delivered to King's Landing gets you the top seat. Money troubles solved.
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>>221743352
Rhaenyra won't even pay her soldiers, she's giving that money away to the random nobodies. What makes you think the war continues? Nobody's acting like it is.
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>>221743448
He's been obsessed with his honor since the first season.
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>>221743572
lolwut i thought e4 was one of the best
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I thought it was clever to have ormund be this ruthless psycho, but still have him follow the law by punishing his own men for misbehaving.
but, nope, he's just an evil racist chud who murders people on a whim
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>>221742954
she is gonna get RAPED instead
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>>221743172
>But there will be no dragons
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>>221743515
he can fight fat jim sterling

>>221743590
anon theres no chacne we ever see it, they only showed dannys tits early on to get people to start the show
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>>221742251
gave it a try
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>>221743715
the stuff with the Greens was all good, Rhaenyra continues to suffocate the entire show and it's exhausting
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>>221743743
God willing grant ser Criston an RPG
mashala
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so what exactly is larys' master plan?
how is going to rook's rest and cleaning up piss and shit with retarded peasants going to help aegon retake his throne?
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>>221743427
I meant that Ulf and Hugh should have the broadest appeal for the audience. But I suppose culture war bullshit took over class identity a long time ago now.
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>Ormund introduced this season
>Also dies this season
This fucking sucks. He is my favorite character next to Tywin in all of the series. I could watch 5 seasons of just him being a chad.
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>>221743753
Nice. Very nice.
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>>221743572
Episode 4 was actually better than the prior three. Not that it was good. 7.9 is even generous. But I think it's fair to say these scores are reflective of people starting to realize that this season is shit, and they're just not going back to change their scores.
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>>221743753
Ser Anon has posted
A toast to Anons strong meme
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>>221743728
That's what he is in the book though.
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>>221743425
this place is reddit central when its airing
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>>221743728
They could have made him punish the rapist by gelding him and punish the guy who attacked the soldier by giving him like 10 lashes to signify that law is law regardless of your good intentions and thus make him morally ambigious. Instead because these writers have zero idea about nuance they have Ormund kill the sand nog for virtually zero reason.

I still love Ormund because other than Aegon he's like the only character... that is a character and not a wimpy woe is me mule
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>>221743753
when did targs lose their aura, everyone used to simp for them (except bobbyposters)
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>>221743777
they rate everything so fucking high now.
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>>221743590
Is not fair...
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>>221743777
Or as usual - normie npcs are retarded and only care about watching dragons and battles and have no attention span for anything else.
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>>221743079
>2010
He's been locked in the tower for a decade and a half now kek
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>>221743795
I am going to tear you apart limb by limb you little nigger kike
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>>221743624
He’s a dragonrider he’s literally viewed as nobility/divinity by small folk and great houses literally bend over backwards for dragons.

He could also just fuck off to Essos and be a king if he’d like
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>>221743772
I'm sure Ulf and Hugh are very popular with actual normies. But Redditfags aren't normies. Normies aren't wasting their time on the internet talking about TV shows. They watch the thing, like it or dislike it, and then move on with their lives.
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whats the consensus... did they dye daerons hair red or is it really read (on the show)?
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>Nuncle, I'm glad to see you arrived safely here at the God's Eye
>Yes, nephew. As am I that you heeded Alys' wisdom and agreed to settle our dispute with words rather than violence.
>It appears that all we needed was a womans touch, nuncle. Now let us discuss our differences and debate who would be the more legitimate rule-
>OH NO NEPHEW, IT APPEARS YOUR DRAGON HAS SPOOKED MINE AND I LOST CONTROL! NO CARAXES DON'T FLY AWAY!
>OH NO NUNCLE! YOUR DRAGON FLEEING HAS STIRRED VHAGAR'S HUNTING INSTINCTS! STOP IT VHAGAR DON'T GIVE CHASE!
>WATCH OUT NEPHEW, I HAVE SLIPPED FROM MY DRAGON! PLEASE MOVE OUT OF THE WAY BEFORE MY SWORD HITS YOU!
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>>221743817
Episode 4 had a bunch of dragon shit. Too much, if you ask me, and in pointless scenes that destroy characters even worse than before.
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>>221743830
>He’s a dragonrider he’s literally viewed as nobility/divinity by small folk and great houses literally bend over backwards for dragons.
Which would probably result in his quick death. Essos is not a fan of dragons. His best bet is to switch sides and go with those that will actually give him what he wants.
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>>221743824
He been using magic to connect to /got/ to shitpost.
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>>221743806
I never liked them, even during GOT
>WE'RE SPECIAL, LOOK AT OUR SPECIAL HAIR AND EYES, AND MAGIC DREAMS AND DRAGONS
its the same reason why I hate bloodraven
No george, giving every single power possible to a single character isnt cool, its 12 year old deviant art OC levels of dumb and retarded
>>221743848
it for sure is silver. Why would he color the Faerons hair silver if Daeron was brunette naturally
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>>221743848
He’s Cole’s son
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>>221743848
We all assumed it was dyed, but it's becoming clear that it's probably not, and Alicent sent him away specifically because he had her hair.
>>221743886
Then he couldn't be a dragon rider.
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>>221743848
He has Alicent's auburn hair, that's his actual hair color, visual characterization that he is the most Hightower of Alicent's children

As to why the fake Daeron had white hair...idk. It's more confusing why Fake Daeron had a vagina
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>>221743763
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>>221743744
>he can fight fat jim sterling
Commander James Stephanie Sterling said she's not coming to the US until she thinks it's safe to do so
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>>221743806
They've always been pretty uninteresting but I really started to hate them when George started shoving them everywhere. Now i just want all targshits to die.
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>maesters overlooking the dragonpit as it’s stormed
>when asked why they’re dancing they answer “we’re here to document the event”
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What a great opportunity for Aegon to grow as he sees his country suffer and bleed
but sara hess, the dumb fucking cunt as I like to call her is just waiting to have him rape someone for no reason BECAUSE AEGON IS EVIL, REMEMBER GUYS, HE'S EVIL
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>>221743773
>The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long, and you have burned so very, very brightly, Ormund
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But nuncle Ormund, even the little baby Targaryens in their little Targaryen cradles? Seems kinda harsh, they didn’t do anything
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>>221743928
I don't know why they didn't, like, search her body for weapons or something. Surely they would have noticed the vagina and been like, wait, isn't Daeron supposd to be a boy?
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>>221743982
I don't even remember why he's supposed to be bad aside from not being a perfect king and hanging THE RATCATCHERS
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>>221743299
BEACH PARTY IN DORNE
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why did alicent rat out ormund's weakness (odors)? at this point she ratted on everybody in her family. why cant women be loyal
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>>221744044
He also got #metoo'd by Diana and used to visit child slave fighting pits.
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>>221744044
Because he is not the chosen Heir, he never wanted to be king, he wanted to fuck and torture his way through the kingdoms.
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>>221744069
Family is a patriarchal institution created to oppress women.
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Have this dude ever said anything that didn't sound like a snide redditor remark?
No wonder fucking nobody likes the hightowers
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>>221743982
I can't decide if it will be better or worse if they have Aegon poison himself.
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>>221744069
>>221744095
The most heroic thing a Mom for Trump can do is realize that her cause is evil and then sanction the murder of her own children as penance
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More Dennis Reynolds Hightower memes plz
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>>221744110
Alicent will do it.
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>>221744103
Uh oh, we have a troon over here.
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Ormund didn't have that one guy killed because he fought back.
He killed him because he was of questionable (most likely Rhoynar) ethnicity.
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>>221743982
he's employed collecting poo poo and pee pee
KWAB
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>>221744241
Total
Hightower
Supremacy
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>ratcatcher genocide mentioned yet again

I don't even remember the last episode where one of the characters doesn't mention the greatest atrocity to ever befall the seven kingdoms
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>>221744241
he just doesnt like tainted blood
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>>221744103
>No wonder fucking nobody likes the hightowers
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>>221744252
truly a working man who understands the common man
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Why doesn't Ormund have Bold Jon be his towel boy?
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>>221744103
>No wonder fucking nobody likes the hightowers
who told you that?
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>>221744273
The ratcatchers must be avenged.
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>>221744103
get this retard out of here
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1783978626384716.mp4
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>>221744324
Bold Jon looks like he has towel boys of his own. Maybe Daeron works double shifts.
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>Rhaenyra holds open court
>Young boy comes up
>Claims to be the son of the best ratcatcher who unfortunately perished
>Asks for her permission to take up his father's honorable trade
>Rhaenyra begins to cry
>Like full blown weeping, harder than any of her cries in the show before, boogers down her chin
>She hugs the boy in front of the court
>Everyone claps
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnkATp12uRI

HBO gave us official Helaena Targaryan/Phia Saban ASMR... How many ppl gooned to this? Are we getting more with Alicent or Rhaenyra? Bonus points with they use their young versions What about GOT or DUNK waifus? Who would (you) like to see?
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haven't watched episode 4 yet, what should i expect?
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The Hour of the Wolf will be about scouring KL for the men who strung up the ratcatchers on Aegon's orders.
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>>221743982
>have him rape someone
How is he going to rape anyone when his cock is gone?
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>>221744433
men bad
women good
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>>221744433
Ormund and Aegon kino, boring everything else
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>>221744433
Jeyne Arryn looking cute.
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>>221744437
harvey weinstein didn't have working genitals but he still sexually assault women using his fingers and mouth
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>>221744415
I'll listen to it after work. I can't get an erection right now.
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>>221744447
>Aegon kino
I'm 100% sure they won't let aegon have any kind of character arc that allows him to grow as a person and become more than a dumb, haughty, spoiled rapist chud
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>>221744433
Redpilled Ormund, more rape and everything else is just kinda meh or bed.
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>>221744457
Did he? Or women just decided to whore themselves out for roles he offered?
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>>221744457
What did he do - blow raspberries and give them indian burns?
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>>221744433
Cole and Gwayne kino that lasts barely a few minutes
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>>221744433
based ormund
based ulf
aegon humiliation ritual
rape
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>>221744415
I never realised how raspy her voice was until now.
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>>221744548
>>221744548
>>221744548
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>>221744490
>give them indian burns
Oh the humanity
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>>221743554
More like
>war ends
>gets shanked by Daemon in his sneaking hood
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>>221744415
Holy FUARRRRRRRRRRRRRKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
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>>221741650
>Ormund naming the (((Targ)))

cancel him!
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>>221741734
No, no, no!
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>>221744415
>How many ppl gooned to this?
I did
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>>221743070
looks like hunter schafer
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>>221742319
>He was obviously lying
Nah, man broke his command. Ormund doesnt look like someone who tolerate insubordination



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