Just saw this in theaters here in New Zealand. Pretty kino film definitely worth seeing but i wouldn't say it's up there with Nolan's best. Matt Damon, John Leguizamo and Samantha Norton as Circe hard carried the film with their performances imoAnyway ask questions and I'll make sure to use spoiler tags with answers that give away key details
I'm debating if I should watch it. All the woke shit smells bad. Furthermore, I've seen some webms of some action scenes and they looked awful.Is it at least not boring? I wouldn't be able to stand 3 hours of boring slop.
>>221805149>went to the cinema alone.
Also just watched it, I remember Matt Damon saying something about the end of the bronze age at the end of the movie but don't remember the exact phrase, do you remember it? I don't trust the other thread
>>221805149Is it as dull, grey and visually flat as the webms here make it look? How's the cinematography?
>>221805149>Anyway ask questionsHow much are they paying for the shill post these days?
>>221805149files catbox moe/iojmix.mp4
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>>221805149How much cock do you suck on a daily basis?
>>221805149How much NUDITY and SEX and GOONFUEL is in it?
>>221805200Soulsfags literally have no retort to this
>>221805162I'd say the action scenes are the worst parts. Felt like most of the fight choreography was very stock standard. There's one right at the end that's kino because of the build up but also felt like it dragged too long>>221805174I don't know if you're asking specifically about the bronze age quote but the last words at the end of the film were they'll remember us with songs because that's all they'll have don't know if that helps>>221805190Cinematography was good to very good. There's some awesome shots with the horse on the beach and being dragged into the city. Some other stuff with the crew on the boats was cool too>>221805194I'm not a shill just a random Kiwi who watched the film. I'm now getting maccas lol
>Spoiler yagWhat a fag!
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>>221805257low brow, low IQ RETARD
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>>221805162The woke stuff is mostly the casting. The first face you see in the movie is a tranny, then a black man, then an asian. There's a point early on where an Indian man from Odysseus' crew stands over a kneeling greek man. The greek man asks if the Indian is an invader, to which the indian replies "We're Greeks!". And Helen of Troy is ugly as fuck. I'm not even talking about her being black. She's just hideous.The action scenes are bad. Lots of quick cuts. The monsters look retarded. At one point there's a bunch of people in chrome plate armor and they look like aliens from Dr. Who. Also the film has a shit ton of jump scares for some reason.The music does a lot of heavy lifting during the action scenes. I hope you like drums. You will mostly like the music, I think. Dialogue is hard to hear at a lot of points. Not from the music, but stuff like wind, storms and off screen chatter often muddles the spoken words of the main characters.None of the acting was good. I kind of liked Holland and this one ugly guy who gets his throat stabbed. Everyone else didn't feel like a character. It was impossible to forget I was watching Matt Damon, Jon Bernthal, Ann Hathaway, etc.
>>221805174I also could barely hear that line. The wind and the fact that the music was so loud made me partially deaf.
>>221805303Then how tf is it kino according to you?
>>221805174>but don't remember the exact phrase, do you remember it?"Oh yeah, we're ironing now!".
>>221805257>if you're asking specifically about the bronze age quoteI think it's something Matt Damon said to Anne Hathaway about his regrets over his role in the destruction of Troy. Also the final brawl was the worst part of the movie by far lol
>>221805149ITs woke as fuck, with literal netflix casting, strong wahmen who need no man, horrible armor, vomit inducing music, etc.Worst piece of shit I have ever watched.
>>221805149>>221805180>>221805235I take it the Laestrygonians looked as embarrassing and cheesy in the final product as they did in the promo materials. Wtf was Nolan thinking there, seriously
OP here I'm a faggot and I love bum sex
>>221805277Not brown you fuckwit. New Zealand has roughly 3/4 white population and higher in the South Island where i am>>221805303Apart from the 3 I mentioned i thought Charlize Theron as Calypso was great. Honestly felt like she should've played Penelope she's so much better actor than Anne Hathaway. You gotta admit the part with Circe feeding his men then shaping them was K I N O body horror
>>221805370Final brawl felt like some kind of video game boss fight. The weapons dropping from the ceiling, everyone attacking one at a time, Matt Damon doing finishing moves on everyone and such.
>>221805303>woke stuff sucks>action sucks>design of the monsters sucks>music is good (but only if you like drums), but but audio mixing sucks>acting (mostly) sucks>Pretty kino film definitely worth seeing
>>221805425I do think the witch actress did good work. Her scenes with Damon specifically were interesting.
>>221805453>>221805327anon, he's a different person from OPare you okay?
>>221805303>The greek man asks if the Indian is an invader, to which the indian replies "We're Greeks!"that explains all the nolan promotions in mumbai lmao
>>221805425You're low iq stop posting
>>221805453That wasn't me that was someone else who's seen it. I think there's enough good parts that outweigh the bad and i also didn't think all of the acting was bad. Anne Hathaway as Penelope/Osysseus wife was atrocious but nobody else was that bad tbqh. Robert Pattinson is one of my favorite current actors but i don't think this was close to his best work he fell flat
>>221805292>a transgender patient in an all-male ward
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>>221805149I'll pass. Watch the other adaptations folks.
>>221805495Is this part good part or bad part?
>>221805223https://x.com/basedlennial/status/2077536019109573016
>>221805240>bikecuck
>>221805149The ending fucking sucks dick. Odysseus doesn't fuck Penelope after killing the suitors, he just collapses in her arms and tells her they are now to go into "exile" and he's going to "sail to the unknown west to honor his men" whatever the fuck that means. I don't exactly get how going on another voyage and abandoning your kingdom after just completing one "honors them" when getting home was the entire goddamn point all along.Anyway, Penelope doesn't even question this and acts like she's on the exact same page as him and tells him to get his fastest ship and raise a crew. I don't get why she's so onboard (heh) but she just agrees for some reason. Telemachus becomes king and that's it. The Odyssey doesn't even see Odysseus become king again. Bravo Nolan, expectations subverted.
>>221805223>>221805641This part was obviously shit im not defending it. Someone else already said but the movie had 2-3 unnecessary jump scares and that was one of them. That shit pisses me off plus the actor is fucking ugly. Probably the 2nd dumbest casting behind Anne Hathaway
>>221805676She's supposed to be Helen right?Who did she kill?
>>221805235thanks anonnow I want to reinstall Bannerlord with Warsails again
>>221805672Cause they're probably gonna make a sequel lmao
>>221805180lmao, what the actual fuck, this looks even worse than trailer
>>221805676really, agamemnon and anne hathaway, THOSE are your two dumbest castings, are they?
Everything about this version of Circe sucks hard and it's about the opposite to what her character was like in the Odyssey other than being a witch and turning people into pigs.Probably because googling "Circe" returns too many results related to some shitty popular modern novel.
I also saw the movie tonight in NZ and thought it was good.
>>221805719Obviously talking about Helen of Troy not Agamemnon>>221805721I don't think Nolan was going for a 1:1 recreation there was a fair bit of changes plus the dialogue is quite modernized which i didn't mind but could annoy some people. Again its worth seeing but i wouldn't put it up there with his best Memento, The Dark Knight, Inception etc
>>221805672She's on board because that's what she wanted to do with him at the start of the movie. Just sail into the sunset. It's why she's saying half the plan at the end. She's repeating herself. I know it's a long movie, so I understand if you forgot.
>>221805676Why would you care what the agamemnon actor looked like when we only saw his face clearly for like a second. The negress that played his wife HOWEVER
>>221805719>>221805794I'm clearly talking about Helen of Troy actor being fucking ugly not Agamemnon. Actor is a dual term for men and women fucking ESL mongrels
>>221805783you said actor, not actress, how am i supposed to know which of the two you meant you dumb kiwi
>>221805814okay but there are two people in the scene cocksucker
>>221805815The two posts I replied to when I said that clearly showed Helen of Troy. Are you a fucking blind cunt or something?
>>221805207>"holy shit we're trapped!">5 or 6 grown men don't even try to break through the enclosure even if the logs are really thinlmao, this scene is so ridiculous
https://gofile.io/d/U8BxsOGarbage,watch yourself
>>221805814Then just use "actress" retard since you're only referring to one person
>>221805830one's a webm of a scene featuring both helen and agamemnon faggotron
>>221805783>I don't think Nolan was going for a 1:1 recreation sure, whateverlack of accuracy is fine what replaces it is at least creative or better, instead he just ripped off shitty modern books.
>>221805698Helen's twin sister in that scene. She's killing the Batman Armor guy -her husband- because he killed their daughter as tribute to Poseidon.
>>221805793but that was an escape plan so that he wouldn't have to follow agamemnon to troy. guess who's dead and who doesn't have to leave ithaca anymore? so why leave?
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>>221805862https://gofile.io/d/U8BxsOhttps://gofile.io/d/U8BxsOhttps://gofile.io/d/U8BxsOLol
>>221805875>a gookthat's a new one
>>221805235why is he aiming downward? Giants should be at the level with him standing on a boat. Or Odysseus is shooting at the wounded?
>>221805862is she sacrificed to Poseidon instead of Artemis or did you just mix them up?
>>221805865He says in the film he's sailing to pay tribute to his dead soldiers that he couldn't bury. He leaves his son Telemachus to rule Ithaca
>>221805891Quit spamming your bootleg copy to me. I've already seen the film.
>>221805835>skip to 11 minutes>immediately got blasted with the most retarded dialogue you would ever see>"Ithaca has been without a king too long. People want security from the people of the sea"IS DA BRONZER AGE GON COLLAPSE CUZ OF DA SEA PEOPLES OR SOME SHIEET? SHIEET NIGGA.Whoever wrote the script needs to legitimately kill himself.
>>221805891>>221805875>A thot!>A trick!>A trick ta break da wallsa Chroy
>>221805891ty anon i might just watch this shitty camrip
>>221805908I don't remember. The actual line might have just been "the gods". I just thought it was Poseidon because the girl gets yeeted into the sea.
>>221805862Ngl I thought the baby daughter grew up to be Zendaya whom Athena took the form off or something before I realized she's only brown because her mother was black as coal
>>221805940Lol
>>221805909yes i know that, i said as much in my original post, the problem is it doesnt make any fucking sense if you think about it for more than 5 seconds. HOW DOES THAT HONOR THEM? Wouldn't honoring your men's sacrifice be to rule Ithaca which was the goal of the entire journey? How does going on another aimless voyage at some vague destination that is "the unknown west" honor them in any way? The entire point of the Odyssey is the homecoming and then he just ups and leaves into self-imposed exile. This is a dogshit subversion of "the real destination is the journey!"
>>221805975Because the dead guy told him to do it, and that guy was right about like 4 other things that would happen. It makes sense to heed his words when considering that.It was probably a prank from the guys he got killed.
>>221805975Did you forget Matt Damon's dialogue with Sinon in Hades? He basically tells Odysseus that the warriors who fell without being buried need to be honored. I'm pretty sure Odysseus promises he'll do so but can't remember the exact dialogue
>>221805672>>221805975is there a scene of the maya watching with trepidation as the greek longboats make landing in the gulf of mexico?
>>221805972lol he got fucking bodied by his own son
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>>221805174>>221805370The exact phrase is "the breaking of zeus' laws spreading like plague, our age of bronze is collapsing"
>>221805149Why are you gay?I can tell by your thumb that you're brown but what exactly did whites do to (You) and your immediate relatives that you think supporting this subversive shit is a good idea? Do you honestly think history and the future would be run better by mystery meat mutts like yourself?
>>221805149How much were the DEI hires in it for?
>>221805891Is there a camrip without the subtitles? About to refund my ticket and watch this shit instead.
>>221805235lmao can someone clip only the arrow shot 36 seconds in?
>>221806254Start to finish, really. You'll get the odd scene where two of the white actors speak with each other. But it's never too long before a black, Indian or asian person appears.
>>221806303Do it yourself.
>>221805672They wouldn't want the chud-right co-opting the ending as a call to reclaim their homeland from evil "suitors", thus the event couldn't be portrayed positively.
>>221806241>I can tell by your thumb that you're brownClearly need better eyesight kek>>221806254Elliot Page plays a semi important role not heaps of screentime but a couple of key scenes at the start and in Hades. Helen of Troy is barely in it which is good because the actor is fucking ugly and shit. Zendaya appears briefly throughout but only has a bit of dialogue just mainly there as a symbol of Athena watching over Odysseus. Some of his crew i guess you could say are DEI hires so they've got a lot of scenes although i actually liked Himesh Patel who played Eurylochus. Never heard of him or seen him anything before but he basically plays Odysseus right hand man/2nd in charge of the crew
>>221806333checked, but I'm at work so I can't
>>221806364how much is burn local man in it?
>>221806364Ellen is Achilles but they scared of the backlash so she's Achilles in under world
>>221805672would have been kino if it ended with him seeing the Purgatory
>>221806428Not that much. He has a few scenes with Telemachus about halfway through the film but he doesn't get much screentime. I like Jon Bernthal but he didn't do a great job same as Robert Pattinson. Felt like they could've been given more interesting dialogue nothing they said was particularly memorable
>>221805891>10 minutes in>explaining to the audience what's happening by having leguizamo dumping exposition on tom holland like the fucking water board technician in batman begins explaining what scarecrow's device is doingholy shit nolan is such a fucking HACK
>>221806471that's a shame, i think he could have been funny in it.
>>221805783>the dialogue is quite modernized which i didn't mind but could annoy some peopleHow bad is it? Is it all on the level of “You're pining for a daddy you didn't even know, like some snivelling bastard” etc?
>>221806508>“You're pining for a daddy you didn't even know, like some snivelling bastard”that tier of writing for the whole film
>>221806508It's hard to give heaps of specific examples but them saying "your dad" to Telemachus instead of "your father" stood out a lot to me since they say it so often. There's also a scene where Anne Hathaway/Penelope has a cringe "I've been on the throne but I'm a woman so that doesn't count" feminist rant. Both her acting and the specific dialogue was shit. She even mentioned something about the hairs on Telemachus chin making him more important than her. Complete fucking dogshit im assuming Nolan only included that to make "women feel seen" or something
>>221806428>>221806471I thought Jon was okay. Mostly because he's the only greek passing person in the movie and the fact that everyone else wasn't acting that well.Jon gets absolutely mogged by Brendan Gleeson's portrayal of Menelaus in Troy (2004), though.
>>221806612>he's the only greek passing person in the movie>absolutely mogged by a mick
>>221805235Nooo my precious jeet!
>>221806575This adaption of the Odyssey was itself based on an english translation of the Odyssey that was penned by a woman, with an aim to modernise it and add a feminist slant. It was quite insidious, really. The author intended for it to become the version that would be taught in schools and universities. If the feminist rant from Anne came from anywhere, that would probably be it.
>>221806453>maximalist kino adapting bits from Homer, the Aeneid, and Dante>instead we get this bland Nolan slopI hate hollywood so much.
>>221806612>is actually red-headedHe's kind of old but based
>>221806655We live in such strange times that I can say that about both movies in relation to each other and feel no cognitive dissonance.
>>221806655yes, the bald american jew indeed gets mogged by the mick
>>221806694>>221806734I'm not even disagreeing i just thought it was funny. Brendan is a good actor.
>>221805891>Ithaca's been without a king too long. They want security.>From what?>The People from the Sea>And who are the People from the Sea?>No one knowslmao this dialogue
>>221805223#1 reason why ill not bother with this trashsome ugly ass zulu bitch is not helen of troy
>>221805653hold on, how does the word filter work exactly? the link in the post says basedlennial, but when i copy it and paste it in another browser tab, the based part reverts back to s o y (which is the actual name of the account) and opens the tweet just fine
i think every Nolan film since TDKR has been weak to disappointing, how does it rank among those?
>>221806790I figured out the twist as soon as Odysseus started talking about how his men raided multiple coastal towns for food. It was weird how nobody from the towns ever relayed that the sea people were greeks and identified themselves explicitly as greeks, though.
>>221805207One of them runs through one of the branches, as if it were transparent.
>>221806860I'm not sure either, that shit is fucking magic anon
>>221806809t. racist person.
>>221806912>Odysseus started talking about how his men raided multiple coastal towns for food.i doesnt even make sense then since the example they show he literally asks the villages why they abandoned the village when they came and they said they thought they were the sea people.
>>221806935watch it again closely, he runs around it but the quality is so shit it looks like he runs through it.
>if you eat AROUND the dogshit it's actually a pretty good meal!Everytime with you goys
>>221805397In the actual Odyssey they stand on mountaintops and hurl boulders down to crush the ships trapped in a natural harbour. Why wasn't that cool enough? Why did they have to be these dark souls niggas?
>>221806895I liked every other Nolan film more than this, although I've only seen the Batmans, Interstellar, and Dunkirk.
>>221805207PUSH THE TEMPO PUSH THE TEMPO
>>221807002There was only one ship left at that point in the movie. Nolan needed a monster that would only take 6 men and then fuck off. It was a shitty jumpscare when it comes in, too. There's NO WAY everyone wouldn't have seen that thing moving in.
How and in what order are the suitors killed?
>>221806941yeah im racisti wanna see a white person in a white rolewhy would a black person wanna see a chinese person playing martin luther kang
>>221806895Better than Interstellar and Tenet but worse than everything else post TDKR. It's about middle of the pack for his filmography overall>>221806980That's the state of modern cinema lil bro. I barely watch new films because of it basically all of my favorites are 1960s-1990s but for a 2026 film it's about what i expected
>>221805149>Pretty kino filmholy fuck are there actually people who unironically use that term here nowyou gotta go back
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>>221806958I get the vision in conflating Odysseus crew with the sea people but the sea people were invading eastwards and toppling empires in Anatolia, the Levant and Egypt, not westward along the coast of Thrace. Most of the Odyssey takes place around Sicily and North AfricaIf the phrase Sea People means anything to you as an audience member then the concept immediately falls apart. And it's used in the movie as though you should already know what it is.
>>221807077Its been ages since I read the book but you barely learn their names in the film. It's basically a free for all massacre with Odysseus killing everyone except those who eventually kneel down in submission. Antinous (played by Robert Pattinson) is the last one he actually kills
>>221807098kek
What did you get from Macca's OP? And how many points do you have in your Maccas's account?
>>221805257you'd say the point of the movie is the worst part but you like it anyways you fuckin nigger you fucking faggot
>>221805323>the music was so loud made me partially deaf.The same shit happened with me and Oppenheimer. I don't know what Nolan sees in Ludwig Göransson as his go to composer. I don't recall any memorable compositions on that soundtrack.
>>221807160Triple cheeseburger and a double filet o fish. Don't have a maccas account or app thing. I try not to go too often because they're owned by kikes
>>221806665it could have been inspired by the many modern retellings by women.I think Margaret Atwood wrote one based on Penelope?Circe's character was very Madeline Miller and also had some feminist rant
>>221807133Lol I figured that would be the case. Would you say hubris is at all a theme shown in the film, that you would understand without having read the book? Also, are the disloyal maids at all present?
>Just saw this in theaters
So out of 10, what is it?Even his stuff like tenet or oppenheimer were 6/10s, but hugely overrated, is it the same?
Why are you idiots watching this woke slop? You're literally giving your money to Nolan and ammunition to wokies to say we lost you fools
>>221807258the last movie i've paid to see in theaters is Halloween (2018) and that was only because I thought it'd get me laid
>>221807177I clearly meant that the fighting/action scenes are the worst parts of the film in general HOWEVER one at the end is good. The fact you couldn't interpret that yourself makes me think you're ESL>>221807225Yea id say 6/10 is fair. It felt like he left a lot of meat on the bone. Anne Hathaway casting really fucks me off if they'd switched her with someone who could act, had better fight choreography and maybe some better dialogue for Robert Pattinson the film could've easily been higher. Maybe even having Robert Pattinson as part of Odysseus crew instead of Antinous would've been a better choice. He wasn't good as the antagonist in this like he was in The King or The Devil All The Time
>>221805149you have autism
>>221807306i am not being called ESL from a verboise homo teenager right now. let me guess Brazil is your favorite movie. i gotta fill out these cock ring looking captchas to call you a retard and it's annoying. please die
>>2218072254/10
>>221805149who plays Achilles actually?
>>221807195>Would you say hubris is at all a theme shown in the filmIt's something Odysseus is accused of fairly regularly. The witch calls him retarded for sending his men to her hut (which he didn't do, actually, since they made him stay at the boats while they investigated the surroundings). Athena also calls him retarded a few times for thinking he has control over anything that's happening. His son may or may not be accused of hubris by the mother, but you could also interpret that as accusations of naivety.>are the disloyal maids at all presentThere's one.
>>221807306Nolan clearly just hires actors he likes, for example why the fuck would you cast Benny Safdie as Agamemnon? its because he likes the guy not because he's a good fit. this pretty much explains every casting choice.
>>2218072255/10 at best. Technically a pass, but man does some shit hold it back. Really obvious stuff that would have been culled at inception if we weren't living in the looney timeline, too.
>>221807351Last question, I understand that there is no "nobody blinded me" part, is there still Polyphemos' curse? And if there is not, are the misfortunes on the way home just happening kind of randomly then or is there still a real sense of divine punishment there?Thx for the answers
>>221807378>culled at inception
what compels someone to go see something like this during opening weekend, week even
>>221807411>Polyphemos' curse?yea he explicitly says poseidon curse you
>>221807435goyims, cattle behaviour, FOMO
>>221805875This looks awful. What a way to break immersion. It looks like they grabbed a bunch of random people from NYC and put them in shitty cosplay.
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>>221805162>All the woke shitLeast of the issues with this trash pile
>>221807435>what compels someone to go see something like this during opening weekend, week evenbread and circuses. most people are happy to enjoy the slop as long as it distracts them from their lives
>>221807411>is there still Polyphemos' curse?No the Cyclops barely speaks it's more like a screeching humanoid monster. Reminded me a lot of Grendel from the 2007 Beowulf film if you saw that version. There is a theme of divine punishment it's mentioned a lot throughout by a few characters
>>221805149Is there a scene with Argo?
>>221807493he literally curses them when they stab his eye. maybe you were deafened by the terrible sound mixing.
>>221807453Are you sure? I think he speaks a tiny bit but i could barely hear what he said. It certainly wasn't clear that the Cyclops said "Poseidon curse you" to my ears. Anyway the actual curse is much more detailed and verbose in the book it was nothing like that in the film
>>221807465>It looks like they grabbed a bunch of random people from NYC and put them in shitty cosplay.Yeah, that's pretty much what the movie is.
Ol Nolan sucks on the studio marketing slop pipe again
>>221807411I caught none of that blind stuff when watching. The men do believe they're punished by gods, though. Or rather, they believe Odysseus is and they're suffering for it. Ironically, the men are themselves individually earning their punishments (they ate that beef). Basically there's this "Zeus' rule" that gets repeated a lot and that's where the divine punishment slant starts. 'Treat others like you would yourself, lest you strike a god in disguise', or something like that. Odysseus believes his trojan horse idea "violated all that is sacred between people", broke the rule and set the gods on his ass. After they attack the cyclops, some of the men say they swore they heard it calling Poseidon's name, and that they'd just gotten Poseidon extra mad at them.Also, thunder can be heard a lot when certain things happen.
>>221807571yea he does, its why when the get back on the boat all of his men think they have been cursed and they blame odysseus because he shot another arrow at it when they left the cave, even though he had already cursed them before that so his men are just retards on top of it all.
>>221807478I'd say it's like 65% of the problem. The bad casting lead to bad acting. The feminist retelling of the Odyssey that inspired Nolan to make the film is also obvious very related to wokeness.The rest is on Nolan's writing being kind of shit and stuff like the direction of the action scenes.
>>221807465The fact that the movie starts with this really lets you know what you're in for, too. It doesn't let up with the DEI casting one bit.
>>221807650I swear you're misremembering. The Cyclops speaks a little bit but it's not a long winded curse like in the books >Hear me, Poseidon, dark-tressed Earth-Bearer, if I am your son, if you say you are my father, let Odysseus, sacker of cities and son of Laertes, never reach his home on Ithaca: yet if he is destined to see his friends and his fine house in his own country, may he come there late and in sore distress, in another’s ship, losing all comrades, and let him find great trouble in his house.That's from the book. He barely says 4-5 audible words in the film and the words said certainly weren't loud/clear
>>221805235>these are some big guys
>>221806895This is the worst nolan movie i have ever seen but i skipped interstellar dunkirk and oppenheimer
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>>221807725where did i say it was a long winded curse? like i said, right after they stab his eye he literally says poseidon curse you or something like that. its literally 1 line.
>>221805641Do they keep Agamemnon's face obscured the whole time? Why? I'm guessing something lame like 'oh we wanted him to feel larger than life because we see him as the big evil arch villain (of the illiad) but he dies pathetically. beware men that appear impressive!!'
>>221807411The entire time Matt Damon acts like an athiest always saying shit like "your gods" when talking to the jeet. But the entire time he is seeing Athena
>>221807802>he literally says poseidon curse you or something like thatExactly you can't even say definitely that's what he said kek anyway that's not what Polyohemos curse was in the books. The Cyclops barely speaks and it wasn't a long detailed curse which is what the guy here >>221807411 was asking
>>221807791
>>221807802>he literally says>or something like thatClearly you couldn't hear him right. None of us could. It was unintelligible. I bet that we could hear him say "Poseiden" on a rewatch now that we know what to listen for, though.
>>221807689Matt Damon was the worst cast. He did not give a fuck but if there were no blacks in the movie nobody would be calling this shit woke. I had no problem believing this made up greek land was multiracial because they all spoke the same boring dialogue.If the jeet came up and talked like a jeet, or a spanish guy was rolling his R's i would find that to be really bad.The movie had far worse problems than casting a couple coloureds
>>221807832The part of his face you see after the stab is the most you see of it.
>>221805272All of his worst features
>>221805180>big = slow
>>221807842i heard the cyclops say the words poseidon and curse but of course that doesn't mean the cyclops cursed him.. it also doesn't explain why the crew thinks the cyclops is the son of poseidon. you really need it all spelt out for you don't you? you might actually be brain damaged.
>>221807832I'm guessing it's because Safdie's face isn't exactly intimidating so by having him in the big dark armour wearing a helmet all the time he doesn't come across as a KWAB>>221807870I don't Matt Damon was bad at all. I will say when he returns to Ithaca he didn't change his voice at all. Eumaeus and Penelope not being able to tell it's him doesn't make sense if he just uses his regular fucking voice
>>221806612Menelaus and Agamemnon were such massive pieces of shit that revelled in being cartoonish villains in 2004, and it was entertaining as fuck
>>221805149>adultLol
>>221807835Odysseus disrespecting the gods is one of the few things the movie gets right.He sets out on the voyage hating the gods because he blamed them for the war and its brutal resolution and the whole story is basically various gods punishing him having the hubris to disrespect them. Only Athena favours him because she's the token good-guy goddess.The whole thing is like an ancient greek book of Job where Odysseus learns through his journey that the gods aren't worshipped because they're righteous; they're feared because they're indomitable.
>>221806790Who were the Sea People in real life?
>>221807870Matt was bad primarily because he doesn't look very greek, and by that logic the indian, african and asian cast are even worse. I don't believe you when you say Helen of Detroit didn't pull you out of the movie. The part where where the indian guy said "We're Greeks" was as bad as the african kid in Harry Potter Prisoner of Azkaban saying "Black could be anywhere".
How was lil Oddy as a main character? Based on everything I've seen, Damon Odysseus seems to be the most boring unlikeable of charisma voids, without coming across as intelligent either
>>221807968i'm on a sea people diet - i see people and i eat them!
>>221807942Are you actually a fucking retard cunt? The guy was asking if the film had Polyphemus curse which in the book was >Hear me, Poseidon, dark-tressed Earth-Bearer, if I am your son, if you say you are my father, let Odysseus, sacker of cities and son of Laertes, never reach his home on Ithaca: yet if he is destined to see his friends and his fine house in his own country, may he come there late and in sore distress, in another’s ship, losing all comrades, and let him find great trouble in his house.I said no because all you heard in the film was a few words which weren't clear. It doesn't matter if those few words include Poseidon that doesn't equate to actual full curse which was spoken in the book
>>221807968seamen...
>>221807982>Matt was bad primarily because he doesn't look very greekLMAO no. He was bad because he just said his lines with zero affect. You are obsessed with race and its blinding you of the techincal problems the movie has. I just took the movie as some mythical land i dont need to obsess about needing every character to look like stavros halkias in order to call the movie shit because its shit
>>221805605awful
>>221808017Ure gay
>>221807990https://gofile.io/d/U8BxsOhttps://gofile.io/d/U8BxsOhttps://gofile.io/d/U8BxsO
>>221807951It's really the best way to depict them. Even in the source material Agamemnon is portrayed as a washed up former hero who aged out of heroism and became fat, sinister and greedy in his old age. He's obsessed with power for power's sake and the whole conflict of the Iliad (the falling out between Agamemnon and Achilles) happens because of it. Meanwhile Menelaus is always described as Agamemnon's dim-witted henchman. Violent, short tempered, petty and stupid. utterly incapable without his older brother to lead him around by the nose, even back when they were they great Atreides heroes.Troy, for all its faults, got those two characters perfectly.
>>221808033Faggot.
Obsession is out. The Odyssey is in!
>>221808002>Heh... you're a funny guy anon and a real one. You can join my table in Sparta anytime. Keep it gully
>>221808017>Are you actually a fucking retard cunt? The guy was asking if the film had Polyphemus curse which in the book was> is there still Polyphemos' curse? And if there is not, are the misfortunes on the way home just happening kind of randomly then or is there still a real sense of divine punishment there?where does he ask if the exact curse is spoken in this? you fucking retarded faggot. you cant even grasp what he was asking.
>>221808033Did I not open by saying it was 65% of the problem? I obviously don't think it's entirely to blame. But I do think it is a primary factor from which other problems followed. They didn't care about the cast at least looking greek, then they didn't care about them sounding greek, their armor looking greek, and so on.Again, not all of the problems stem from this. A lot is on Nolan's direction and writing.
>>221808114>is there still Polyphemos' curse?I said no there wasn't and you said yes there was. My answer is based on the fact he didn't recite the full curse from the book only said a few words that weren't clear. You're saying those few muffled words are the curse despite having no evidence that's the case or anyone itt agreeing with you. Genuinely fucking autistic kek
>>2218052401. Bike cuck2. Every game has enemies telegraph their attacks, you might as well critique the game for using the control stick to move
>>221807990He's pretty flat, to be honest. The movie insists that he's an emotional wreck at some points, but I just wasn't feeling it. Well actually, there was one moment where he finds out Calypso drugged and raped him for 7 years, and he starts getting angry. It actually felt like he was resisting the urge to throttle her as they continued to talk.
>>221808044Agamemnon isnt as overtly villainous in the book as he is in the 2004 movie but it's still a reasonable take even if one of the major problems the 2004 movie has is that they removed the Gods from the entire narrative which just completely fucks it up.Menelaus however is portrayed as far more of a 'normal' hero amongst the Greek warriors, he's definitely not portrayed as a retard or even as much of a cuck even though that's still the core conflict. He gets his aristeia (but so does Agamemnon) and he's refered to quite well by the narrator and all the other warriors, even if he's no Diomedes, the true gigachad of the Iliad.
>>221807968They varied. It wasn't a single group but a mass migration of Mediterranean peoples.Most of them were islanders that had been part of the Minoan trading network. When Mycenea rose to power and swept eastwards towards Anatolia, it toppled Minoa on its way. With the the Minoans conquered, their cast aegean trading network crumbled, leaving thousands of isolated island colonies which relied on exporting resources and importing food to survive.With their settlements untenable, most of them took to the seas either as pirate raiders or as mass migrations and wandered the mediterranean in search of new lands. Some even came from as far as Sicily, North Africa and Sardinia. They ended up largely crashing against the coastal middle east in waves and destroying or critically wounding the ancient empires there. Ancient Egypt, for example, allowed a tribe of blond-haired celtics called the Sherden to settle on the nile and employed their warriors as the Pharaohs bodyguard.Many of these tribes ended up resettling in the Levant because it was the poorly-defended no-man's land between two powerful ancient empires which makes it overwhelmingly likely they became the ancestors of the jews--which is probably the real reason this subplot was grandfathered into the movie at all.
>>221808210I'd say that pvp fighting games don't do this. You cannot read what your opponent will do. You must control the fight by not letting them start an attack, or by anticipating their most likely move and pre-emptively using a counter.
>>221808030Honestly whenever I see a reference to the Sea People I can't help but think of an altered form of the KRAB PEOPLE chant from South Park.>SEA PEOPLE SEA PEOPLE
>>221805641W...T... actual... Flol...
>>221805706>they're probably gonna make a sequelCan't wait!
>>221808225Fascinating. Any videos and sources on this ancestral Jew angle?
Are there at least some good action scenes?And is the moment with the dog in it?
>>221808262tbf souls games should be mostly about the exploration, the new ones are too fast and action focused. The telegraphing looks silly in ER because even big fat monsters can move like sonic on crack so them pausing before a swing makes no sense, in the first few games where the combat was slower and more weighty the only requirements to succeed where keeping your composure and minding your positioning, the telegraphing didn't feel out of place then
>>221808225It's worth mentioning we arent exactly sure where they came from and the theories are all over the place. But considering that the world was also going through one of the ever shifting waves of climate change at the time which caused draughts but also earthquakes there's almost no shortage of places where people couldve moved in from into the aegan and the levant at large.Also the collapse of the Minoans and them being subsumed by the Myceneans did not in fact collapse their trade networks, since the Myceneans were well integrated into the Late Bronze Age diplomatic and financial networks which can be attested from numerous shipwrecks and the sprawling palace economies which died with the collapse.
>>221807968proto-greeks and cretans -> phoenicians
>>221808404>Are there at least some good action scenes?Odysseus fighting the suitors was kind of exciting, but the music is carrying it so hard. Remember the drum music from Call of Duty WaW? It's like that. After a while you start wondering why the suitors don't all rush him, though.>And is the moment with the dog in it?There are doggy dog moments. Which one are you referring to?
>>221808397they didn't have videos back then retard
>>221808466Why are you still here faggot?
>>221808466Odysseus' dog Argos, waiting for him and being the only one to recognise him in disguise
>>221808441It's a problem that relates to the fundemental control scheme they've had since Demon's Souls. There's only so many ways you can make "press dodge to avoid damage" hard. One of them is making bosses that float in the air for a random length of time before instantly slamming down on you. IMO they should go back to Bloodborne's thing, with the gun parries.
>>221808465phoenicians were semites
>>221808523Oh yeah. That's in. It reminded me of that Futurama episode where Fry's dog waits for him forever.
>>221805149Universal Marketing Bro, what year do you think it is now? Movie is already leaked and its pure pretentious yet boring classic Nolan slop with the bunch of hilariously bad scenes.Nothing kino in that.
>>221808168Nigga wants the cast to all look like this. Yeah the movie would totally be a 10/10 if we had a bunch of greek freaks on screen
>>221808568admixture through semite populations like the "philistines"
>>221805149the absolute state of you
>>221808589I would watch that but I don't think he'd survive the filming
>>221806212>our age of bronze is collapsingthis cant be real. chat, is this true? they considered their age the bronze age? is nolan fucking retarded?
>>221805217Kill yourself don't hesitate
>>221808589How many times do we need to teach you this lesson, old man?
>>221808537Bloodborne hit a nice middle ground, the dash and the parry mad your character considerably faster and more agile while still feeling like a souls game.Anyway I just checked and the Elden Ring movie is coming out in 2028 wth
>>221805605Hol' up...Greek soldiers stood on tables and whacked sticks while hollarin'?SHEITTT!
>>221805235This looks awful. Couldn't they use actual bows for the closeup shots instead of those 5 lbs flimsy toys?
>>221808705I lost a lot of interest in that movie when I saw the set leaks and noticed that Queen Marika wasn't barefoot. Frankly, I'm upset that she isn't 8 foot tall either.
>>221808585I've been giving genuine criticism of the film all thread that doesn't mean the whole thing sucked. If i were a shill why would i mention how bad the fight scenes are, how fucking dogshit casting+acting Anne Hathaway was as Penelope, how underutilized Robert Pattinson was, not having Polyphemos' curse etc. the good outweighs the bad imo some others itt agree some others gave it a 4/10 and 5/10
>>221806143WUZ
>>221808589fuck off nigger loving faggot just because one obese greek is ugly doesn't mean you get to shit all over the place. how are you jews getting worse at playing this game you created. you're all so fucking gay you're making normal people cheer for muslims.
>>221805207Critics will shit on Lucas for bad work with actors, but then go and give 98% RT to this faggot Nolan who did this.
>>221808792It does feel like we're ranging from 4/10 to 6/10, which indicates that people don't feel strongly compelled either way. It's either slightly bad, average, or slightly good.
>>221808802KWEENZ
>>221805641wait, is this Helen???
>>221808858N'
>>221805180Nerds fighting with lightsabers on youtube are more convincing that this holy shit
>>221807177seething malding fag lol. go jump off a 7th story
>>221805149Cuck
>>221808466>Odysseus fighting the suitors was kind of excitingare you talking about this scene here?
>>221808835I can only guess that the movie is long enough for people to forget the bad scenes by the end. That would explain some of the higher scores on RT. That said, the vast majority of high scores are probably coming from the same shills and bots that tried to push Supergirl for a week before giving up.
>>221807334aw is little timmy gonna cry? are you upset? are you mad? poor little baby boy :(
>>221808904Yeah. That webm is lacking the *BUMDADABUMDADABUMBUMBOOSHDABUM* music, though.
>>221808904>Tom HollandJesus Christ, he is such a shitty actor, i am 100% sure he sucks every producer cock in Hollywood to get these roles.In this scene he acts like he is Peter fucking Parker going 'Wohooo!" while seeing Iron Man saving the day. Like what is shit shit?
>>221808826you are so mad lol>this is what no pussy does to a mf
>>221808763fuck, that really is disappointing news. Are they retarded? A barefoot 8' Marika would have sold a billion tickets
>>221808964Robin Patterson is the same here, in case you didn't notice. I'd actually say this scene treated him worse overall. It got a little funny whenever a new weapon would drop from the ceiling and the camera would cut to him calling it out for everyone in a scared tone. It was all just>Get the swords!>Get the sheilds!>Get the spears!Both him and Holland have better scenes where they're allowed to talk and flex a bit.
>>221805149why are you blatantly lying about one of the most embarrassing disasters ever committed to film?also, when are you going to kill yourself? it needs to be soon!
>>221808891SHEITTT!!!
>>221805149>F9>he sat in the reddit squarecringe
>>221808904Oh God... terrible... fucking terrible...
>>221809094>why are you blatantly lying about one of the most embarrassing disasters ever committed to film?>also, when are you going to kill yourself? it needs to be soon!/pol/brain faggot is seething so hard kek
>>221808826Yes actually i can do whatever i want
>>221805862Not twin, half sister, even described as dark haired in contrast to Helen's ethereal golden beauty. She inherited all of Tyndareus' looks while Helen got Zeus'. They share a mom though and were born of the same eggs blah blah. Not twins by any account.
>>221806451I do wonder if they changed Ellen from Achilles after the leaks. It would explain the complete lack of mentions for Achilles in the movie, plus all the times you hear someone say "Sinon" might have been ADR.
Does Odysseus bring the oar inland and sacrifice to Poseidon? Does he meet his father? Or does it end after the suitors are killed?
>>221805149>AdultNo. No you're not.
>>221808928That's no way to talk to your superiors, young man!
>>221809413>Or does it end after the suitors are killed?Yeah. They sail off west into the sunset immediately afterwards. Credits roll. The credits music is really fucking bad.
>>221808835Yes, a tiny fence is a death sentence. It's a fence and it's tiny!
>>221805149/tv/ test
>>221809660Why do you anons always announce that you're ban evading like this? It's the simplest thing to post "this sucked" or "what a shitshow" in any random thread.
>>221809615that is disappointing, thank you
>>221808904>It's treason, then
>>221805207Why is Matt Damon either peripheral in battle or is running away??? Armand Assante was always with his men in the thick of battle in the tv version.
>>221809642Based, you know the rules bro.
>>221808860No, it's her half-sister Clytemnestra who is the wife of Agamemnon.She kills him for sacrificing their daughter Iphigenia for favourable winds.
>>221809809There's a point where the trees also trap Matt. He inexplicably escapes off camera. Like there's a camera cut as he's staring at the trees and then he's free of them immediately.
>>221809840She's played by the same actress as for Helen, mind you.
>>221808904This is basically the equivalent of a child doing helicopter arms fighting when he is mad
>>221805207Uhhh, spears?You have those, right? You're Greeks.
>>221809725because of such replies
>>221809009>>221808902i'm both balding and with a chick who looks like the negro in this shitty movie whose name i forget. so good guesses but wrong aim.
If you agree it's slop why trawl through the entire movie just for snippets of Robert Pattinson's acting? You are not a "cuck" or retard as other anons are saying, your flaw is possessed by many and not obvious to many, but it is one that is killing the kino industry and vvestern civilization in general, tolerance. As in tolerating the body odor of an indian co-worker not openness to new ideas.The Odyssey is a foundational piece of literature exhibiting the Indo-European heroic archetype, the need to explore, discover and reach for ever more. However this movie exhibits the opposite traits, complacency, apathy, "tolerance", judging by these clips and comments like >>221805303 . Like many you were plonked in front of a TV as a baby, pop culture and mass media is your culture and consumed the better part of your life. You thus eat whatever they slop in front of you because you are bored and never cultivated anything meaningful outside of it. It is why you sat and watched comically weak insecure entitled white losers get saved and screeched at by BIPOCs who travelled 1000s of miles to Mycenae.I can't help but think of the movie that started the modern epic genre 25 years ago then Hackson's Hobbit however many years later. In both cases the main characters were all played by white men, but one was kino and the other cringe. Remove the "diverse casting" and it would still be awful because of this decline in spirit and creativity. In a better world if Nolan or someone else made an honest reproduction of The Odyssey it would never occur to them in the first place, besides the tanned long nosed caucasians of southern coast of the Mediterranean who looked like this before the mass rape and genocide by muslims.https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lau.edu.lb%2Fnews-events%2Fimages%2Fphoenician-dna-study-01-big.jpgWe will never see that movie of course, that very brief period in the 00s is long gone. We did get Troy though.
>>221805605AYOOOOOOOOOOOO ULYSSESSSSSSSSS
neoliberal retelling of odyssey
>>221805149Does he go to the edge of the world? if so, who plays achilles?
>>221808904I legit did that as a kid after playing The Legend of Zelda and soon found out how ineffective it was
>>221805207Where did the back of the tree cage come from? A moment earlier that was empty space, then they turn around and they are surrounded by stakes. This kind of lack of continuity drives me nits. Worse than the sloppy CGI tree that the guy phased through moments earlier, although that's sloppy as hell. And this midwit pseud Nolan is going to win Oscars for this anti-White propaganda trash heap.
>>221810434Yes, if you mean going to hades to speak to the dead or something. He's told by the witch to go to where the river of fire meets the river of ice (whatever that means). Then they go there (it looks like Iceland) and he speaks to Elliot Page, who plays Sinon (who apparently was never in the Odyssey).
>>221805149Is there actual mythological stuff like gods, magic, and mythical beasts?
>>221810492I did it with my arms while pretending to be a helicopter in primary school. I whacked a girl in the face because she was walking past me. She started crying. Her name was Rebecca, I think.
>>221810434>achillesNot in the movie at all. Not even mentioned.
>>221810517It's magic.
>>221810517He doesn't speak to anyone else? Achilles? his mother? Does he see hercules?
>>221809325Well they show her running up to the trojans and getting killed by them and have that whole subplot with Pattinson's character, so I doubt she was actually Achilles. Still laughable though, seeing this tiny creepy little thing taking up screentime
>>221810524Yes but only barely. The Cyclops is there but isnt really a character, we dont learn his name is Polyphemos and the 'Nobody' plot isnt used, he's just basically feral and then says POSEIDON once he gets blinded and everyone just reads the script and goes 'oh he must be the son of poseidon I guess we're cursed.'The Sirens are in, but you dont get to really see them, some dudes get eaten by Scylla but the monster is three tentacles that look awful.The one really good thing that's actually praiseworthy are the men getting turned to pigs by Circe, that shit looked genuinely fucked up in a horrifying way that actually had me feel things. The only god that shows up is Athena and she's completely fucking pointless, Zeus is only implied with thunder like three times and no one else really shows up. It's only marginally better than Troy from 2004 in that it actually acknowledges that these things are real but almost begrudgingly so.
>>221810564I see, that is very strange
>>221810608AAARRGGHHH
>>221808701Which lesson? He's Greek, retard.
>>221810617>The one really good thing that's actually praiseworthy are the men getting turned to pigs by Circe, that shit looked genuinely fucked up in a horrifying way that actually had me feel things.Oh that's good. I thought it was going to be a coy bitch about supernatural stuff like the Northman and Green Knight.
>>221810617I still can't get over casting Matt fucking Damon in the lead role.
>>221806143The face that launched a thousand ships
>>221810603He speaks to 2 other people. One was Agamemnon. He warns Odysseus to not stroll into Ithaca like he owns the place, but enter in disguise and assess the situation. The other guy was someone I couldn't identify. He had a blanket over half his head. He tells Odysseus about the Sun God Island with the cursed cattle, then about the whirlpool and the rock monsters. Lastly he tells Ody to head west after returning home, to honor his men. Do you have any idea who that guy might be?
>>221805940Nolan is a chud and this line is about immigrants coming to the UK. Yup, Nolan is that retarded
>>221810651Every night, I have vivid, wonderful dreams about Elliot Page. They start with me meeting him at a press conference, and when he extends his tiny, feminine hand for me to shake, I grab his hair and lift him off the ground. While he wildly flails his arms and legs, trying to hit me, I laugh at his impotent threats. The tears running down his face from the pain, humiliation, and frustration make me feel warm and comfortable. His voice, sounding like a real person who has inhaled helium, changes pitch, going higher and lower as i swing him from side to side. The entire crowd his publicist paid to gather laughs uncontrollably at this squirming, miniature creature as I completely dominate his entire existence with minimal effort. The whole affair only ends when I slam his useless body on the ground, and stomp on his oversized, ridiculous looking forehead. Shortly thereafter, police, armed with tasers, aim and fire them angrily- at him as he screeches in pain like the demonic turbomanlet he is. I then stomp on his head again and end his pathetic life. The police fire the tasers again as his twitching corpse. They yell "CLEAR!" as they send voltage through his lifeless, distorted carcass. When the police, the crowd, and I eventually wipe away the tears from laughing, and compose ourselves, we pose for pictures together with the remains of this thing that suffered twinkdeath long ago, like a fish we caught that is to small to covet, but we enjoy the experience anyway. Everyone leaves with a song in their heart and pictures of themselves with this useless, creepy little thing.
>>221805235>UR A BIG GUY>4 UAHAHAHA
>>221810608Yes, but on the other hand, Ody says that Sinon was the greatest warrior he'd ever known. That's something that very well could have been meant for Achillies.
>>221810662It's just terribly underused, Odysseus is also borderline atheist or extremely impious in a weird way too, it comes off terribly. To me the worst part is how the movie keeps talking about the sea people and keeps teasing the Bronze Age Collapse and the line 'end of civilization' is literally uttered like three times.It's so fucking stupid and takes me out completely and is obviously some kind of dumb nod to making it more 'grounded' and 'realistic' like oh look we all know one of the sacks of Troy is tracked to around 1177 BC which is the generally agreed upon date for the beginning of the Collapse but these people wouldnt fucking know that and them talking about how 'civilization is ending' but oh so much hope and it 'will rise again' is so fucking anchronistic and preachy and feels so fucking unreal and not something anyone in-universe would ever say because no person can see these big events happening ESPECIALLY in that era where people werent getting news about shit happening on the other side of the Aegan enough to make this kinds of statements.
>>221810564>>221810642It's not about troy, you mongoloids. It's about Odysseus. Achilles is dead already when the movie starts
>>221810762>I'm mad because of things that never happened Typical rightist behavior
>>221805940Maybe Im mis rembering but isnt the best guess for the sea people, Europeans from around the med? We dont even know who they were just that they fucked things up and left and werent from the mena area
>>2218072255/10kept afloat solely by the return to ithaca
>>221810740I believe that would be teiresias, a famous prophet, I think he is in oedipus rex as well. Part of the prophecy he gives odysseus relates to carrying an oar inland, until someone mistakes it for a winnowing fan, then plant it in the ground and sacrifice to poseidon, to reconcile with the gods.
>>221810740Yeah it's Teiresias the blind prophet. He was an oracle of Apollo and is a known mythological character. One of his claims to fame besides his oracular sayings was being turned into a woman for 7 years by Apollo for smacking some snakes who were fucking. You gotta love Greek myth.
>>221807258there were multiple threads of cameos last night >>221807465the actors speak as if they’re in whatever city they live in doing errands, not acting in a period pieceit’s ridiculous
>>221810778Odysseus talks to the ghost of achilles in the odyssey.>O shining Odysseus, never try to console me for dying.I would rather follow the plow as thrall to anotherman, one with no land allotted him and not much to live on,than be a king over all the perished dead.
>>221807990the le twist of his character is that he’s a ptsd war vet except it’s different shades of ptsd very gay
>>221808404yes, argus has his moment feels like the scene was the only reason nolan made the movie
I'll probably hate watch it when it hits torrent.
>>221808044>Even in the source material Agamemnon is portrayed as a washed up former hero who aged out of heroism and became fat, sinister and greedy in his old age>and among them went King Agamemnon, with a head and face like Jove the lord of thunder, a waist like Mars, and a chest like that of NeptuneTroy did not get the two brothers right at all.
>>221811250It's already got camrips.
>>221810740Come on, doesn't Agamemnon tell Odysseus that his wife might betray him? Sow some seeds of doubt in his heart etc. Kind of stupid that Agamemnon gives him the idea to enter in disguise. Does O even have any sneaky ideas in this movie?
>>221805149>ends atCool, my local chains should do that
>>221810770It's also stupid because at this point in time Orestes has already taken his father's throne, so Mycene has yet to fall. Not to mention that he's going to live and rule for a long time. The other kingdoms are fine and dandy as well. This forced self-awareness is honestly more annoying than a lot of other stupid choices because at least I can laugh at the bad choreography and abysmal casting.
>>221811515>doesn't Agamemnon tell Odysseus that his wife might betray him?He does, actually. He tells Ody about how his wife betrayed him when he returned, and warns Ody not to have the same blind trust. Go in, assess. Ody speaks to his wife in disguise to make sure of her intentions.>Does O even have any sneaky ideas in this movie?He pretends to be a beggar while walking up to some suitors who plan to kill his son. Other than that, there's his plan to get the suitors locked into a room with him having the only weapon.
>>221808537I really don't get why we're still rolling in ER.Should've been the BB or Sekiro dash since the start. Quick, few iframes, doesn't make everything retardedly clip off the floor like rolling does.
