You may now kneel and fucking apologize
>>221810192Don't have to apologize. I was always a Troy-bro
For me, it was Orlando Bloom being a cunt
>>221810264>>221810192>Those shitty wraps on his forearms are suddenly okay Lmao
>>221810339Not just ok, but kinographique.
I apologize. I was bitching how it's a solid 6/10 movie but I didn't know these movies will never going to get better.
>>221810353Even more kino in the odyssey then.
>movie tries to no-homo Achilles by making Patroclus be his cousin and giving him a romantic plot witj BriseisHilarious.
>>221810852Being historically accurate is woke. Please stop right now
>>221810887>history>the IliadLMAO
>>221810887>Historically accurate based on mistranslations by faggots and women
>>221810924>I don't like it so the translation is badCope
>>221810192>this shit was panned as yet another American movie fucking up the mythos with their Hollywood cliches>nowadays it's an untouchably high bar to reach
Movie is flawed, but the costumes alone mog this mess.
>>221810924>He thinks Achilles being a homo is a new revelation Typical chud
>>221810397I dunno, can Elliot pull off a 48 inch vertical side step stabby move?
>>221810979Some of those costumes are very similar in the odyssey. Very odd thing to brag about
>>221811048>Instantly trying to derail the conversationShe has those kino forearm guards. So kino.
>>221811055very odd post the odyssey has shit costumes across the board
>>221811071How is that derailing? Brad Pitt had those armguards and was pulling off superhuman Kinoesque moves with them while Elliot is wearing giant foreskin sleeves made from her trans penis to do a crippled jog
>>221810887Remember the backlash there was when Alexander was kissing dudes? Back when hollywood listened to the audience and didnt cram in gay shit
>>221811071Yea dude the choreography in Odyssey is so much more kino
>>221811142>Holand wears the kinographique arm guards Kino
>>221810264Fpbp, nobody ever hated this movie. People just don’t like Brad because they spend too much time learning about celebrities personal lives instead of enjoying the movie.
>>221811095Troy still sucks ass, dude. The Odyssey being horrific doesn't change that
>>221810887>Being historically accurate is wokeWhy did Nolan give Odysseus viking ship?
>>221810192What kind of faggot didn't like Troy
I appreciated how Hector looked like a greek person.
>>221810192troy fucking sucked and was cape slop before cape slop was a thing. just pure dogshit movie.
>>221811172Let's not rewrite history here. I admire Troy, I do, but A LOT of people bitched about Meneláos and Ajax getting killed in the beginning and gods not being in the story at all.
>>221811345Yeah but the idea was that it was a historical retelling, with none of the mystical stuff that was embellished into the story afterwards.
>>221811193>But what about something else?Troy is still not accurate and unwatchable slop
>>221811420I get that,but a lot of people bitched about Troy during release, it wasn't exactly warm reception. It aged like a fine wine though.
>>221810192The casting was really good and the Achilles and Hector fight is great.I didn't really like any of the narrative choices though.
>>221811142Someone needs to add some break dancing music to this.
>>221811420>historicalAbout a fake story that never happened? That's not history, mongoloid. Achilles dying because of magical reasons is still very stupid in Troy.>Oh no, my heel, wait, we never explained this, oh well, I'm dead now because I have an arrow in my heel, argh
>>221811264It's the hair. That's why people criticized Clash of the Titans and main actor wore a gig next movie.
It's hard to believe we never knew how good we had it.
"history"
>>221811610I get that you know nothing of history, but that's hardly a reason to chimp out. Troy did exist, and the movie 300 did happen.
>>221811620I dunno man, I distinctly remember being happy in the 00s, before ID politics subsumed Hollywood. I appreciated the good times.
>>221810964>going out of their way to pick the most feminist translationCope
>spend 10 years sacking Troy>then see another Troy right behind it
>>221811740It's know that you know nothing about history. Achilles was a demigod and never existed, mongoloid
>>221812415>Jesus never existed!>Buddha never existed!>Ahhhhh Achilles never existed!Where do you get off on telling such lies?
>>221811610Jesus christ, like 91% of the world population is this retarded and we have to pretend their opinions matter
>>221811309>cape slop before cape slop was a thingJust say that the whole Greek Mythos are just "Proto Cape Slop" for you.
>>221812723And you're even dumber than him, please kill yourself.
>>221812486>An almost invincible demigod actually existed Twitter isn't sending their best jeets to defend Troy and criticize The Odyssey.
>>221814344Achilles himself existed, just not a demigod
>>221810339>>221810397>>221811071>>221811165There's more to that movie than the arm guards you autistic cunt.
>>221811055Weird nothing is that pick is a brown grey mess. I dont know why you think it looks like the Odyssey?
>>221810192Imagine a movie like Odyssey releasing in the early 00's. Just imagine it.
>>221810852>>221810887>>221810902>>221811002Achilles was never a homo in the original Iliad, faggot.
>>221810264My friends made fun of me in 2004 for liking this movie saying>hey retard! Its not the illiad without the Gods and shit
>>221814478>Weird nothing is that pick is a brown grey messSAAAAR
>>221811610>>221811633Are you pretending to be retarded on purpose? Achilles was struck by multiple arrows.
>>221814478Nice English, Jeet, go back to twitter
>>221810192what ever happened to eric banana anyway?
>>221814602Based friends. You're still wrong and the movie is still shitty
>>221810192Why would I apologize? It has it's moments, but it also has plenty of retarded fucking changes to the story. It's a mediocre movie overall.
>>221811142lol, grandpa is acting!!!
>>221814707>thinks Achilles was real and the Trojan horse was realHe might be pretending, but you're clearly just retarded
>>221814344>>221814684>>221814718Saar, only jeets defend Troy, Odyssey best movie saaaarLol. Lmao even.
>>221810192this was always uber kino. The DC at least
>>221810192Nah. It sucked just les then what we have now, terrible casting or not aside. It is a fucking generic american war movie in sandals. Achilles who cries and rages in the Iliad is muh stoic hero. Agamemnon is a cartoon villain, Nestor his fucking lackey and Menelaus just dies halfway in. No Diomedes, No Gods. Fucking terrible. I have known since Gladiator that americans are incapable of adapting the ancient world. The american mind just can't comprehend a movie that doesn't end with either generic Hollywood Values or muh republic. The Iron Age (which the Iliad was stems from, though it likely references the Bronze Age Conflicts & Mythy still in memory) is just alien to modern mutts.
>>221814786That's not what he was arguing about.
>>221814841What then?
>>221810192Apologize for what? It was a good flick.
>>221811165Those are web shooters
>>221810192I initially doubted Brad Pitt being Achilles but after seeing some of the Choreographed fight scenes where his Achilles was an acrobatic AGI/DEX build rather than a STR build I ended up accepting it. Other than that Troy was solid for its day.I remember hearing complaints that Diane Kruger in her prime was not good enough looking to be Helen of Troy.. and Diane Kruger at the time was a legit easy 9/10.Compared to what we get now? We had it so good and we didn't know it.
>>221815012That the movie has Achilles dying from an arrow to the heel like in the myth. Ignoring that he was shot with several arrows beforehand as i said in >>221814707
>>221810192it’s insane how shit nu-wood is at battle scenes, elevates this flick massively
>>221810192Man, remember back then people were>look in that one scene there is a plane in the skyWe didn't know how good we had it. The standards of entertainment are so low now the bar is on the ground and if you tell that to people who make everything gay, brown and lame they go and grab a shovel.
Odyssey was great, it would be the perfect sequel for this if Bean was the lead somehow
>>221814550>getting baited this easilyAnon, I...
>>221810264Fippius Bippius, pointing in the general direction of immortality.>>221810339it's not historically accurate, but historically accurate looks goofy as hell by modern standards.heavy bronze plate is so perfect, it's immune to hollywoodification. they have to simply pretend it doesn't exist.meanwhile we have Batmanemnon marching around, unable to move his neck.
films in 2020s are so bad that mid flicks from 2000s, 1990s and 1980s are now considered kino.
im sorry hector posters..i kneel.
>>221814344did you ever think for one second that people didn't just deify actual people and make their feats larger than life?We literally do that with American Presidents like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln today.They've literally found the ruins of Troy in Turkey. It was a real place, likely there was a real war to sack it. Achilles could have really been a king who was a participant in it.The details of WHY the war is fought, and the various exploits within it, and its duration were undoubtedly embellished, and the supernatural components were totally made up to make it all larger than life.But was their really a Trojan war in which Troy was sacked by Mycenaen Greeks? Possibly. The 7th layer of the ruins of Troy dated around 1200BC (so right time frame) show scorch marks indicating the city was destroyed by an army.Hell there's evidence that Odin and Thor were real people just elevated to being gods hundreds of years later over time. Many ancient Kings and Emperors did try to get worshiped as gods afterall
>>221816618yes
>peak brad pitt>hoot from black hawk down>prime diane kruger>sean bean as the perfect odysseywhat isnt there to like?
>>221815428Diane Kruger is beautiful but she has slight screen presence, especially early on in her career back then. The point of Helen is that she bowls you over with her outrageous, literally Godly sexuality. It's a standard only a few supermodels could ever reach.
>>221817120well she was meant to just be some shrinking violet trophy wife so I think she was fine, definitely better than what we get now.
>>221810264Literally the perfect actor for the perfect role at the perfect time. Shame about the voice tho.
>>221810192This was objectively shit as well though, the usual Hollywood crap, not even a mention of the gods except to ridicule them when the whole thing was an actual story about said gods and their interference. Paris basically steals Helen with the help of a goddess and her golden apple, he also nicks off with half the Spartan treasury, no mention of any of this. Then to top it off they have armies running at each other like it was the kick off in a rugby league match.
>>221817035>Peter O'Toole >Brian Cox >Jackie Gleeson>Rose Byrne>Vincent ReganAmazing cast.
>>221819369Your opinion is objectively shit.
>>221811186>>221811309>>221814748>>221814751>>221814817>>221819369Anyone claiming that the 2004 movie is shit or mid is objectively incorrect, dead wrong even.
>>221810192Apologize for what? This movie is awesome. I mean it does suck balks, but I still love it
>>221810192We have take the movies we have back then for granted
>>221810192 Rose Byrne was a 10/10 in this movie. Mogged Helen desu.
>>221821454How hard do you think her nipples were?
>>221810192/tv/ will always be /troy/ chads>you sack of wine
>>221820981*should've*
>>2218101929 year old me loved this movie when it was released on dvd I only started hearing about the backlash recentlyMe and my homies watched this shit on repeat
>>221810902They found the city of Troy like 15 years ago
>>221810852Sure, but counterpoint. Back then we didn’t want our heroes to be having homo gay buttsex. Making Achilles a poonhound elevated this story, and I’m damn well tired of pretending that it didn’t. What, you think it would have been better if he was a foul filthy feculent fetid fucking faggot? >Hey Patroclus, let me oil up my cock and ram it up your shithole. No thanks.
>>221816618I unironically like the 2000s daredevil now after watching shows most recent MCU phase
>>221810192Why would I? I’m not the cunt who made this. The Illiad with no gods and a no homo version of Achilles to appeal to morons. Fucks sake. Brad Pitt didn’t want to be in it. Orlando Bloom didn’t want to be in it. Peter O’Toole walked out of the premiere calling the director a clown
>>221820339>>221820805You both probably think that Saving Private Ryan is an accurate portrayal of WW2 combat as well.
Troy was cool and based on vibes alone you could tell they put forth genuine effort into the production. The choreography the hamminess, all genuine. Real kinoisseurs can just tell, what can I say haha
>>221819369How would you even depict the Gods?I guess just use lots of cgi and ai
>>221823931The 70s tv miniseries did it okay with their shit 70s tech. It was kind of gay and campy in that 70s way, but I'd like if they played that stuff straight again instead of with some atheistic take like >what if they're just psychological constructs, or a made up story, or just non-existent in the story??? I miss sincerity in movies.
>>221811610Troy was real gramps, and there is plenty of evidence it ended with destruction
>>221810192Oh yeah, this movie was completely flawless. Shields just weighed a literal ton back then
>>221810264I'm a /fit/izen so as Brad Pitt's best physique at 39 years old this was always kino to me no homo
>>221810339THAT's the best criticism you can give???
>>221821952>When asked about the movie at the Savannah Film Festival, the 71-year-old screen legend said: "Ugh, what a disaster. The director, that kraut, what a clown he was.">O'Toole, who played Priam in the epic film, was so unimpressed by the finished film that he stormed out of a screening after just 15 minutes.>He revealed: "When it was all over, I watched 15 minutes of the finished movie and then walked out.>"At least I had one good scene."Lmao
>>221821952the thing about no-homo Achilles is that Homer didn't make Patroclus and Achilles lovers in the original poem. That was read into the text hundreds of years later (then dismissed as Christianity took over, and only resurfaced in the last century) by a culture that embraced homosexuality and read gayness into everything (like ours does now, and recently started reading trans into everything).In the original text they banged female captives..and they were battle brothers, which, is something a lot of civilians won't grasp, you will just see 2 unrelated men willing to die to protect the other and flying into a Berserker rage when the other is killed and think it was romance. But not necessarily. in combat this stranger is your best chance of surviving, so it's a non sexual intimate relationship based in mutual survival in war.The other aspect of the film is they deliberately try to de-mythologize it. That's why the gods aren't involved, and that's why Achilles isn't actually a demigod, just a really skilled warrior. Achilles gets hit with several arrows, he pulls them out except the one in his heel, before collapsing. So other people see Achilles collapsed on the ground with a single arrow coming out of his heel.. it gets mythologized that that's what killed him.
>>221810192Not enough nudity.
